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Michiganian

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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 4:11:46 PM

Just ask the survivors at Columbine HS, Fort Hood and Virginia Tech.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 8:10:57 PM

>>Exactly. I don't know about the other services, but in Air Force basic, way back when, trainees were not allowed to fire full-auto. The instructors were VERY (7:-[) clear about that.<<

Back in 1983 when I went through Army basic we got to fire two twenty round magazines on full auto. I was only able to get three or four rounds in the target with each mag at 150m. It was explained that full auto was typically a tremendous waste of ammo and you couldn't carry enough rounds to sustain that rate of fire. That was the only time I ever fired any weapon on full auto.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 8/28/2014 8:12:43 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 6:59:14 PM

I actually don't care for full auto or burst.

Only full auto I might be interested in is the American 180.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 6:30:30 PM

johnnyg1200 - "Not just because I couldn't afford to feed that thing but because she was not ready for that type of weapon."

Exactly. I don't know about the other services, but in Air Force basic, way back when, trainees were not allowed to fire full-auto. The instructors were VERY (7:-[) clear about that.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 8:47:48 PM

>When I was that old I had been hunting with a 22 and a shotgun for a couple of years already but no way would anyone have given me a full auto firearm to play with. <

When I took my 19 year old daughter to the range to introduce her to hand guns we saw a man rent and fire a fully automatic rifle. My daughter wanted to try it out and my response was "no way in hell". Not just because I couldn't afford to feed that thing but because she was not ready for that type of weapon. She was very careful with the 9mm and followed all of my instruction to the letter. But she was still very nervous firing the hand gun. I didn't want to hand her a weapon that shoots as long as you hold the trigger or until it goes click.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 7:46:57 PM

"True - cars are not designed with the intent to destroy."

That's funny because any one of my vehicles has killed more animals than all my guns put together. Mostly song birds.

" is funding a proposition with his money "

One proposition in one state, they can have it.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:38:49 PM

Weaslespit - "If I see an AK out in public, I can promise you I am walking in the opposite direction - IMMEDIATELY."

Based on the information given in the article, there doesn't seem to be any real justification for charges against the other 3 individuals.

Looking at other articles on the incident, I still don't see anything that justifies the charges.

[Edited by: rjhenn at 8/27/2014 3:44:58 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:35:25 PM

Weaslespit - "In your opinion."

My rational opinion. 7;-]

"Anybody can create a 'what-if' scenario to try to prove their point... A gun can kill you with high probability from point-blank to 100ft - think you can achieve that same probability with a bat or a knife from distance?"

The probability, at least for deliberate harm, goes down rapidly with increasing range with a handgun, and even with a rifle if the usual "spray and pray" is done. A knife tends to be more lethal than a gun at close range (up to, say, 20 feet or so).

"Which is a further deflection from the point being discussed."

Again, not really. Legal restrictions tend to affect the law-abiding much more than they affect criminals.

"And when they are caught they are penalized accordingly. Standard practice for breaking the law."

Which doesn't stop people from driving without a license, or stop convicted felons from having guns.

"That isn't at all what you posted. You very clearly posted that you don't think, given today's laws, that you are unlikely to get shot."

Ignoring the double negative (7;-]), it being unlikely that any one individual will get shot doesn't justify increasing the odds that an area where many people congregate will be attacked.

"Lol, c'mon... Now you sound like a Liberal ;)"

I'm often accused of that, when I'm not being accused of sounding like some knuckle-dragging conservative.

"True - cars are not designed with the intent to destroy."

Yet it requires a lot of care to NOT destroy with a car.

"I am familiar with cars 'and' guns... I own a gun and very familiar with their capabilities, hence my view towards them being toted as an accessory in public like a purse or a cell phone."

I do believe that anyone who carries a gun should get proper training. Then again, I think that basic gun safety (of the "Don't touch. Walk away. Tell an adult" variety) should be taught starting in preschool, and safe gun handling probably in middle school, if not earlier.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:28:34 PM

What happened at that range is really dumb. Want to bet the young lady has little if any experience in shooting.

When I was that old I had been hunting with a 22 and a shotgun for a couple of years already but no way would anyone have given me a full auto firearm to play with.

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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:16:43 PM

MiddletownMarty - "Kinda makes you wonder."

Yeah, wonder why anyone would be stupid enough to put a full-auto weapon in the hands of a child not big enough to control the recoil.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 2:29:24 PM

"What kind of a gun instructor gives a 9 year-old an Uzi to fire, much-less in full auto?"

That sort of thing has happened before... in 2008 to be exact, when 8 year old Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn. shot himself in the head while firing an Uzi under adult supervision at a gun fair.

Kinda makes you wonder.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 12:46:31 PM

If I see an AK out in public, I can promise you I am walking in the opposite direction - IMMEDIATELY.

Call it an irrational fear if you must.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 8/27/2014 12:46:43 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 12:45:21 PM

What kind of a gun instructor gives a 9 year-old an Uzi to fire, much-less in full auto?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:29:59 AM

"Still irrational."

In your opinion.

"Any difference in the odds would depend on a number of factors, some of which might make your odds better against a gun."

Anybody can create a 'what-if' scenario to try to prove their point... A gun can kill you with high probability from point-blank to 100ft - think you can achieve that same probability with a bat or a knife from distance?

"Since most proposed restrictions on firearms would make it less likely that you could be armed when the need arose, not really."

Which is a further deflection from the point being discussed. It doesn't matter 'which' gun is restricted, regarding your original comment about an 'irrational fear of guns'.

"Plenty of people operate without a license, both on and off public roads."

And when they are caught they are penalized accordingly. Standard practice for breaking the law.

"Gun-free zones increase the odds of an attack."

That isn't at all what you posted. You very clearly posted that you don't think, given today's laws, that you are unlikely to get shot.

"While it may not do any net good, if it doesn't do any harm, why not?"

Lol, c'mon... Now you sound like a Liberal ;)

"Still, cars don't invoke the same level of paranoia as guns do."

True - cars are not designed with the intent to destroy.

"A big part of that, of course, is that everyone is familiar with cars."

I am familiar with cars 'and' guns... I own a gun and very familiar with their capabilities, hence my view towards them being toted as an accessory in public like a purse or a cell phone.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 7:45:35 AM

Responsible Gun Instructor Shot And Killed By 9 Y.O. Girl With An Uzi


An instructor who was shot by a 9-year-old girl who fired an Uzi at a northwestern Arizona shooting range died Monday night at University Medical Center in Las Vegas.

The girl fired the weapon at the outdoor range that caters to heavy tourism traffic along U.S. Highway 93 between Las Vegas and the Grand Canyon Skywalk.

Highway signage and Internet advertising beckons visitors to stop in, fire a machine gun and enjoy a meal at the Bullets and Burgers enterprise at the Last Stop, about 25 miles south of Las Vegas.

The Mohave County Sheriff’s Office said the accidental shooting occurred about 10 a.m. Spokeswoman Trish Carter said the girl, who was vacationing from New Jersey with her parents, was standing next to the instructor at the time.

Mohave County Sheriff Jim McCabe said the girl safely and successfully fired the 9 mm weapon several times when it was set in the “single-shot” mode.

He said the weapon was put into the “fully-automatic” mode before the girl fired again with the instructor standing off to her left. The weapon recoiled and drifted left as the girl squeezed off an undetermined number of rounds as she maintained possession but lost control of the Uzi as it raised up above her head.

“The guy just dropped,” McCabe said of shooting instructor Charles Vacca, 39, of Lake Havasu City, who suffered at least one gunshot to the head.



Kinda makes you wonder.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 2:59:36 AM

Finally, Bill Gates is funding a proposition with his money and history of success on his causes that will, in his State of Washington defeat the NRA on something the majority of voters approve and that they, the NRA, can't outspend to defeat the majority's will as the NRA has been able to do historically. This is a new beginning!
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 12:20:49 AM

"I guess them Chi thugs dont like the idea that granny might fight back - - snicker snort...."

I expect the liberals to reply with a one off tragedy. Pull out the old "if it will just save one life" fallacy.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 10:43:53 PM

It sure seems to be working here - # CCW up --- crime down. Kinda makes one wonder doesnt it. Is there a connection - will the Martyites admit it?
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>>>Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.“It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. “The police department hasn’t changed a single tactic — they haven’t announced a shift in policy or of course — and yet you have these incredible numbers.”<<<

I guess them Chi thugs dont like the idea that granny might fight back - - snicker snort....
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:16:57 PM

" What is the first thing most parents teach their kids as soon as they are old enough to walk?"

From what I have seen it looks like they are teaching their kids to just walk out into traffic.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:02:23 PM

Weaslespit - "The comment was made that a knife or a baseball bat can kill you just as dead, which the response was simply that one would have higher odds of surviving an encounter with those weapons than a gun. This originated from the comment that people have an irrational fear of guns, and why was this the case."

Still irrational. Any difference in the odds would depend on a number of factors, some of which might make your odds better against a gun.

"You moved the goalposts by then describing which weapon would be most effective in defending yourself, which is another topic entirely."

Since most proposed restrictions on firearms would make it less likely that you could be armed when the need arose, not really.

"Sure they do - you have to have a license to operate a vehicle. Not many people deliberately purchase something that they can't use..."

But they can. And you only need a license to legally operate a vehicle, and then only on the public roads. Plenty of people operate without a license, both on and off public roads.

"So if we are unlikely to get shot now, why do we need more concealed carry and elimination of gun-free zones?"

Gun-free zones increase the odds of an attack. And I haven't seen any data to indicate that more concealed carry does any harm. While it may not do any net good, if it doesn't do any harm, why not?

"If you don't pay attention around cars, you can kill or be killed. If you don't pay attention around guns, you can kill or be killed. Still seems similar to me."

Still, cars don't invoke the same level of paranoia as guns do. Otherwise there'd be widespread movements to restrict cars more than is necessary.

A big part of that, of course, is that everyone is familiar with cars.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 3:45:20 PM

"How so?"

The comment was made that a knife or a baseball bat can kill you just as dead, which the response was simply that one would have higher odds of surviving an encounter with those weapons than a gun. This originated from the comment that people have an irrational fear of guns, and why was this the case.

You moved the goalposts by then describing which weapon would be most effective in defending yourself, which is another topic entirely.

"But they don't restrict who can own or operate the vehicle."

Sure they do - you have to have a license to operate a vehicle. Not many people deliberately purchase something that they can't use...

"If we don't have stricter gun control, you're still unlikely to get shot."

So if we are unlikely to get shot now, why do we need more concealed carry and elimination of gun-free zones?

"If you don't look both ways, you're likely to get run over...Qualitative and quantitative difference."

If you don't pay attention around cars, you can kill or be killed. If you don't pay attention around guns, you can kill or be killed. Still seems similar to me.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 2:52:08 PM

Weaslespit - "But now you are moving the goalposts."

How so?

"Ask an auto manufacturer if they can sell a new car without one of these safety features..."

But they don't restrict who can own or operate the vehicle.

"They don't? What is the first thing most parents teach their kids as soon as they are old enough to walk?"

If you don't look both ways, you're likely to get run over. If we don't have stricter gun control, you're still unlikely to get shot. Qualitative and quantitative difference.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 2:44:26 PM

"And your odds are better if you're armed..."

But now you are moving the goalposts.

"Those aren't really "restrictions"."

Ask an auto manufacturer if they can sell a new car without one of these safety features...

"But cars don't invoke the same level of paranoia as guns do."

They don't? What is the first thing most parents teach their kids as soon as they are old enough to walk?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 2:40:45 PM

Weaslespit - "Again, it all goes back to 'odds'..."

And your odds are better if you're armed, while your unarmed odds against any weapon are greatly reduced, unless, perhaps, you've got extensive martial arts training.

"Yes, some are much easier and more efficient than others."

Which isn't what I asked.

"Strawman."

Not at all. You brought up accidental deaths. It's obvious that cars are more of a threat there than guns.

"But yes, there are already strict restrictions such as seat belts, air bags, collapsible steering column et al that have been added over the decades (soon to be back-up cameras, etc)."

Those aren't really "restrictions". And auto accidents still kill more than all firearm deaths. Obviously we need more restrictive laws on who's allowed to own or operate cars.

But cars don't invoke the same level of paranoia as guns do.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 2:07:03 PM

"They can kill you just as dead."

Again, it all goes back to 'odds'...

"Or is there some qualitative difference between being killed by a gun and being killed by other means?"

Yes, some are much easier and more efficient than others.

"So we need stricter restrictions on cars, which kill more people accidentally than guns do deliberately."

Strawman. But yes, there are already strict restrictions such as seat belts, air bags, collapsible steering column et al that have been added over the decades (soon to be back-up cameras, etc).
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 1:57:44 PM

Weaslespit - "Which I would much rather be confronted with over a gun, should the situation arise..."

They can kill you just as dead.

"See above."

Or is there some qualitative difference between being killed by a gun and being killed by other means?

"See above. Additionally, even responsible gun owners make mistakes (ie gun is loaded when it is thought to be empty, etc)."

So we need stricter restrictions on cars, which kill more people accidentally than guns do deliberately.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 8:11:07 AM

"Or a knife or a baseball bat or ..."

Which I would much rather be confronted with over a gun, should the situation arise...

"I said, paranoia about guns, rather than violently unstable people."

See above.

"IOW, why is it only guns that worry you?"

See above. Additionally, even responsible gun owners make mistakes (ie gun is loaded when it is thought to be empty, etc).
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 10:11:19 AM

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. Waitresses all packing heat in Shooter's Café in Rifle, Colorado...

+ Whackos Beware: No Sitting Ducks Served in Shooter's Cafe +
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 12:15:24 PM

Some bumper sticker philosophy:

If guns cause crime, mine are defective

Average response time to a 911 call - 20 minutes. Average response time of a 357 - 1,200 fps.

You never really need a gun until you really need a gun

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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 8:05:23 PM

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< "Do you assume that everybody you see carrying a gun has good intentions? Seems like a rather naïve attitude to me..." >

. Let me explain how to tell the difference:

. If they have the gun in their holster or a rifle on their back ready to protect themselves and you, they are the good guys...

. If they have a gun stuck in your face robbing you or killing you, they are the bad guys...

. Anyone who is confused, re-read the above 87 times until you have it memorized...
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 8:00:37 PM

"paranoia about guns, rather than violently unstable people."

I have made the same observation.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 5:51:58 PM

Weaslespit - "You never know when you are going to run into somebody carrying a gun who has become unstable."

Or a knife or a baseball bat or ....

"Do you assume that everybody you see carrying a gun has good intentions? Seems like a rather naïve attitude to me..."

Like I said, paranoia about guns, rather than violently unstable people.

"Stating the obvious - stable people typically don't go on shooting rampages triggered by an emotional event. I don't actively provoke people in public so there is no reason for a stable person to discharge a weapon around me... Friendly fire of course is a different story but the odds are low of that occurrence."

I think the point of his question was the "with a gun" part, not the "unstable people" part.

IOW, why is it only guns that worry you? That's probably directed more at those like Marty, but you seem to have some of the same attitude.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 9:30:06 AM

"You're far more likely to die in a car accident due to a drunk driver than to be shot to death."

Still an apples-to-oranges comparison in an attempt by those on the Right to minimize the issue.

"You really cant figure it out?"

I didn't see any kind of reference and I'm not a big fan of making assumptions if I don't have to...
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 12:12:12 AM

"Besides comparing apples to oranges, who was this diatribe aimed at?"

You're far more likely to die in a car accident due to a drunk driver than to be shot to death.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 10:22:32 PM

"Besides comparing apples to oranges, who was this diatribe aimed at?"

You really cant figure it out?
Maybe you have MTM blocked?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 7:22:45 PM

"Oh wait, I forgot, the tens of thousands of people killed every year by drunk drives don't do anything to further the liberal agenda."

Besides comparing apples to oranges, who was this diatribe aimed at?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 7:21:20 PM

"Why is it only unstable people with a gun you worry about?"

Stating the obvious - stable people typically don't go on shooting rampages triggered by an emotional event. I don't actively provoke people in public so there is no reason for a stable person to discharge a weapon around me... Friendly fire of course is a different story but the odds are low of that occurrence.

Are you afraid of stable people who carry?
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 6:20:07 PM

More failure of liberal gun control policies:

NYPD Takes Fewer Guns Off the Streets as Shootings Rise, Stats Show

"NEW YORK CITY — The number of guns taken off the streets by the NYPD has fallen to a new low as gun violence jumped since Mayor Bill de Blasio took office this year, DNAinfo New York has learned.

Police statistics show 1,935 guns were seized this year in the city as of Aug. 17 — a 2 percent drop over the same period last year when 1,975 weapons were recovered.

While the decline is not dramatic, it continues a steep four-year downturn that some observers believe is linked to the plunge in stop-and-frisks as well as a reluctance of officers to engage the public since an inspector general was created to monitor the NYPD amid sharp criticism of its actions."

It once again proves you can't elect a liberal Democrat and not expect failure.

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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 4:25:12 PM

Very disappointing. As an English major I know you spent 4 years reading short stories, books and watching movies and condensing it all down to a short paragraph or two.
Looks like you are telling us you cant put together what happened?

Here are the cliff notes:

"shots fired outside the Old Heidelberg restaurant and bar"
"Employees at [the bar] would not confirm if Lampien had been drinking before the incident"
"Lampien’s wife [said] that she had not been with her husband when the shooting happened on Saturday night."

(actually I have never used cliff notes so this is only what I imagine they would look like, so if I am totally wrong, that is why, but you get the idea)

"Gov. Nathan Deal (R) signed House Bill 60, which allows guns to be carried in bars and other places."

Virginia, texas and most states have laws like this too, guess what. It is still against the law to carry any weapon to a bar legally or not and consume any alcohol. Which is sad because legally you can go to a bar, consume some alcohol and then still drive.

What about the 50 to 100 people that were killed in the U.S. the same Saturday night when some one left the bar got in their vehicle after consuming alcohol and killed some one, some couple or some family? Do you blame the vehicle?
How many stories a day do you find where some one gets drunk and accidently shoots some one after they leave the bar?

Oh wait, I forgot, the tens of thousands of people killed every year by drunk drives don't do anything to further the liberal agenda.

[Edited by: oilpan4 at 8/21/2014 4:26:43 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 3:55:09 PM

"You never know when you are going to run into somebody carrying a gun who has become unstable. "

Why is it only unstable people with a gun you worry about?

[Edited by: oilpan4 at 8/21/2014 3:56:39 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 3:24:24 PM

"It's purely about their paranoia about guns."

You never know when you are going to run into somebody carrying a gun who has become unstable.

Do you assume that everybody you see carrying a gun has good intentions? Seems like a rather naïve attitude to me...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 1:48:09 PM

Passer - "It's about not allowing children to be the NRA's Bleeding hearts anymore."

If that were true, they wouldn't be supporting cosmetic efforts such as gun-free zones, which not only don't help, but actually make things worse.

Of course, that might be the point.

For some, gun control isn't about control, or deaths. It's purely about their paranoia about guns.
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 2:01:00 AM

"Gun control isn't about guns.

It's about control."

Just ask Connecticut

It's about not allowing children to be the NRA's Bleeding hearts anymore.
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 11:52:26 PM

MiddletownMarty - "Another Responsible Gun Owner Kills Nearby Woman With Stray Bullet"

Another bit of propaganda from Marty.

"Employees at the Old Heidelberg said that they have been instructed not to talk about the case, and would not confirm if Lampien had been drinking before the incident. Less than two months ago, Gov. Nathan Deal (R) signed House Bill 60, which allows guns to be carried in bars and other places."

And no one is saying whether or not Lampien has a CHL, so we don't know if he was carrying it legally or not. He does, apparently, have an old DUI conviction.

If he was a "responsible gun owner", he wouldn't have been drinking to excess while armed, no matter what the law says. If he wasn't, he would probably have ignored the law.

So, as usual, there doesn't seem to be any point to your post.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 9:06:23 PM

Another Responsible Gun Owner Kills Nearby Woman With Stray Bullet


Police believe a man outside a bar in Georgia accidentally shot himself in the hand, and the same bullet killed a woman across the street.

Police on Saturday responded to a call of shots fired outside the Old Heidelberg restaurant and bar, and found 53-year-old Glenn Patrick Lampien sitting on a bench, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Lampien was bleeding from a gunshot wound to his hand.

Officers soon learned that a Texas woman across the street had been shot by the same bullet that traveled through Lampien's hand. Attempts to save the woman at the scene were not successful, and she was pronounced dead.

A statement from police on Sunday said that Lampien would be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Employees at the Old Heidelberg said that they have been instructed not to talk about the case, and would not confirm if Lampien had been drinking before the incident. Less than two months ago, Gov. Nathan Deal (R) signed House Bill 60, which allows guns to be carried in bars and other places.

Lampien’s wife told the Atlanta Journal Constitution that she had not been with her husband when the shooting happened on Saturday night.

“I don’t know what happened myself,” she insisted. “It’s an unfortunate situation.”

All evidence in the case had been turned over to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, which will assist in the investigation.



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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 1:41:08 AM

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. U.S. Park Police can't find THOUSANDS of their guns! Including machine guns...

+ Park Police Missing Guns +
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[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 8/19/2014 1:41:33 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 5:38:02 PM

"If I recall correctly, they urged people to avoid the situation in the first place, leave if possible before it escalated, and shoot to kill if necessary.

And only if necessary."

And to not escalate through various dialogue, etc.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 5:03:21 PM

Weaslespit - "They were from a pro-gun site that urged people to not escalate an armed encounter..."

If I recall correctly, they urged people to avoid the situation in the first place, leave if possible before it escalated, and shoot to kill if necessary.

And only if necessary.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 4:53:15 PM

Passer - "President Reagan & his press secretary learned first hand what lack of reasonable gun control could do."

So countries with "reasonable gun control" don't ever have political assassinations, even attempted ones?

"His press secretary, to his eternal credit, devoted the rest of his life to his sacred cause."

What a waste, when he could have done something useful. Just like Gabby Giffords, devoting his life to something that, even if he'd succeeded, would have made no difference to anyone at all.
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 3:54:49 PM

"someone who had the chance to do something positive"

It was very positive. They proved junk law making like the "brady bill" doesn't work.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 2:23:51 PM

President Reagan & his press secretary learned first hand what lack of reasonable gun control could do.

His press secretary, to his eternal credit, devoted the rest of his life to his sacred cause.

A PRAYER here for James Brady, another homicide and at least James was among the rarest of individuals --

someone who had the chance to do something positive about his own homicide!

Amen
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