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Michiganian

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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 4:11:46 PM

Just ask the survivors at Columbine HS, Fort Hood and Virginia Tech.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 7:04:46 PM

Getting back to the subject of guns and stuff.....
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>>>Based on the disturbing fairytales the liberal media dream up, guns naturally zero in on teenage role models and sandwich-toting cherubs in rough neighborhoods. Amazingly, this has never been the case among the young people I know who live in a notoriously dangerous city. In fact, every kid I know that has been shot or killed has always been involved in crime–period.
Then again, that’s exactly what the facts have shown regarding the teens in Ferguson, as well as with Trayvon Martin. These teens’ lives were plagued by self-destructive behavior and values, but anti-gun liberals blame guns for their deaths.

Let’s just be blunt. Good kids in rough areas avoid trouble and crime. They also avoid bonafide hoodlums as much as possible. It’s when they go down perilous rabbit holes that “good kids” wind up shot or dead.
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Before the shooting, my wrestler earned an excellent reputation by earning good grades, leading teammates, and treating others respectfully. All his teachers would vouch to that. Everyone who knows him was disappointed by the drug-related details surrounding his shooting. More than anything, however, we were just thankful that he survived his stupid hoodlum behavior.

When I spoke to him a few days after the shooting, I told him the obvious—crime leads to death or prison; that’s it. He assured me that he realized that as he was lying on the ground, bleeding and desperately praying for the police to arrive. He said that he kept praying for God to let him live. He also prayed for his mom and dad. He wished they would somehow not have to learn of his shooting or weed dealing.

Only liberals pretend not to see that this young man would not have been shot had he not behaved like a hoodlum himself. While his actions did not match the admirable young man that I know, his story reveals how seemingly minor crimes can lead to death.
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His inspiring story of survival made the local media, but the fact he was selling weed was excluded. He was portrayed as an innocent victim of gun violence.
To me, it’s a mystery how covering up the counterproductive reality of teenagers who are shot helps their communities or other kids at risk. Their crimes cause their deaths, not guns.
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Of course, anti-gun liberals blame guns and racial grievances for the chaos. Dealing with the reality of self-destructive values and behaviors is too much trouble, and it doesn’t produce votes for Democrats. Peddling make-believe stories about social injustice and guns killing innocent teenagers does.<<<.
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This article details fairly well how the anti gun folks like Marty just cant seem to honestly look at the reality of why so many kids are getting shot - regardless of if its a cop shooting or others in their 'hood.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:37:05 PM

Actually, it's trillions of rolls of the dice.

And it explains a lot.

Like why so many life forms are so poorly 'designed'.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:11:49 PM

"Actually, while evolution doesn't explain how life began, it does appear to explain everything about life after that. "

In the scheme of the universe, evolution is just one tiny roll of the dice. But, it doesn't explain anything. It's a very logical and likely theory. Nothing more.
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:03:01 PM

flyboyUT - "Would someone be justified in defending them self from this form of assault? Would someone be justified in using deadly force in a case like this?"

Defending themselves, yes, as from any other assault. Using deadly force? Sure, if you're in Liberia or elsewhere in West Africa, but be very careful not to get any of his blood or other bodily fluids or material on you.

In the "endless suburbs of Detroit", OTOH, the odds are very likely that he's lying, so, no, you wouldn't be justified.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:01:18 PM

Passer - "RJ, your "colleagues" have embarrassed you and your positions again."

As far as political positions go, I have very few "colleagues" here. Both liberals and conservatives tend to be more dogmatic than rational.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:00:50 PM

SoylentGrain - "If you are talking about evolution, that's not random change. It would be change based on a given set of circumstances."

No, evolution is random changes in genetics filtered by whether or not the change enhances the survival of the individual or group.

"But, to answer your question, here are some examples."

None of which seem to actually have anything to do with the question.

"Evolution is just one highly likely logical theory that explains just a small portion of life on this planet. But, to claim life as we know it is only from one small series of events in the history of the universe is short sighted. It would seem there's a much bigger picture and no one knows the answer."

Actually, while evolution doesn't explain how life began, it does appear to explain everything about life after that.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 12:39:09 PM

"Would someone be justified in defending them self from this form of assault? Would someone be justified in using deadly force in a case like this? "

No. A threat with a handgun can be repelled with lethal force. Although lethal, Ebola is a politically correct condition and, therefore, individuals with or claiming to have Ebola are within a protected class. So, in the case of threatening to spread Ebola, lethal force would not be justified.

While the Supreme Court has not ruled in a case like this, it might be permissible to repel the attacker with an equally lethal virus. It might be wise to carry a vial of Motaba type virus in a vial with childproof lock and syringe. If attacked, inoculate yourself, wait until your temperature reaches 100.4, and then repel the attacker by licking or spitting.

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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 11:46:40 AM

Hey I have a question for people here. Siince we are talking about the NRA and guns and self defense stuff ---- If a person comes up to you and says they have Ebola and threaten to lick you ro infect you on purpose would you be justified in shooting him. After all he is threatening assault with a weapon that has approximately a 70% rate of being lethal. What say you learned ones.....
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>>>An elderly man calling himself a progressive socialist accosted a group of about two dozen conservative students who were protesting outside a building where former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was speaking. He then said he had Ebola and tried to lick the students.

The strange episode happened on Thursday at Oakland University, a public school in the endless suburbs of Detroit, Mich., reports Campus Reform.
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Protesters say Mitchell then licked his hand and attempted to wipe spittle on them. ”Without a public health system, we are going to have the spread of Ebola,” Mitchell also said. “Libertarians don’t want a public health system, so you’re a fascist.”

Campus Reform later interviewed Mitchell. He said he doesn’t think he has contracted Ebola. He did double down on his criticism of libertarians, though.

“Libertarians are a bunch of Republicans who just want to smoke pot and get laid,” he said. “They don’t even count for much as far as I’m concerned with because they’re not Americans. They don’t believe in America. They believe in themselves.”

Mitchell also called the protesters “bullies” and noted that he “isn’t a big fan of Hillary.” He described her as a “corporatist.”

He said he had come to the Oakland University event to support Schauer and Peters.

After his stunt, he said, he went back and stood in line to get into the Clinton rally.

One of the students involved in the fracas, David Rowe, said Mitchell grabbed his neck and actually licked his hand. Rowe has since filed charges with campus police.<<<

The person is not a whole lot different than someone with a handgun threatening to shoot the protestors. I think that someone randomly shooting folks would have less than a 70% rate of lethality.

Would someone be justified in defending them self from this form of assault? Would someone be justified in using deadly force in a case like this?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 11:29:52 AM

"But Thermo tends to have that effect on people."

Nah, Differential Equations seems to have that effect on people... Fluid Mechanics was a pretty interesting course, although my favorite was Physics.

Never saw any 'political correlation' regarding who passed a course and who dropped - typically just a matter of effort and attendance, with drops form both 'sides'.

I think you forgot to add a <s> after your post, which made it seem as though you were serious.
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 10:07:04 AM

"Last physics class I took, all the liberals dropped out before the mid terms.

That is all the evidence I need.

After thermodynamics, they were gone. But Thermo tends to have that effect on people..."

Everyone can see how much you learned about the scientific method and statistics. However, you do demonstrate that know as much as most Conservatives in general and the Tea Party in particular about what it takes to prove something: namely your own opinion. You demonstrate that you are as educated as the best of the Right!

Could you also see the Library from your lab?

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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 9:34:23 AM

"Of course, the Bush family was wealthy enough to buy the college a building so he could pass, anyway... "

....Except, that in the late 60's and early 70's, when George Bush attended those schools, the students had to perform or they were out. Money might influence admission but, it couldn't keep you in school. The MBA earned by a Harvard student in 1970 was a much larger accomplishment than one today.
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 9:06:42 AM

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That is all the evidence I need.

. Of course, the Bush family was wealthy enough to buy the college a building so he could pass, anyway...
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 3:08:48 AM

" If Conservative and the Tea Party believe it, ipso facto it's true, who needs evidence???"

Last physics class I took, all the liberals dropped out before the mid terms.
That is all the evidence I need.
After thermodynamics, they were gone. But Thermo tends to have that effect on people.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 1:20:40 AM

"You didn't need a link. I think everyone know that [Liberals are inferior to Conservatives]."

Of course, one doesn't need facts for any Conservative position: "everybody knows it". That statement proves the Daily Caller's premise wrong.


"You didn't need a link. I think everyone know that" is the "proof" to most Tea Party statements and opinions. If Conservative and the Tea Party believe it, ipso facto it's true, who needs evidence???

RJ, your "colleagues" have embarrassed you and your positions again.
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SoylentGrain
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 12:31:35 AM

"And how could a process based on random change be "a component of intelligent design"?"

If you are talking about evolution, that's not random change. It would be change based on a given set of circumstances. But, to answer your question, here are some examples.

If you make the decision to roll the dice at a craps table, that is a conscious act. The dice fall in a random order to form one combination of several predictable outcomes.

When you make the decision to throw a switch on an electric motor, the electrons pass over a wire in a random fashion to produce a predictable result.

When a storeowner opens his doors in the morning, people pass through the store in random order to produce a predictable volume of money in the cash register. Get the idea?

Evolution is just one highly likely logical theory that explains just a small portion of life on this planet. But, to claim life as we know it is only from one small series of events in the history of the universe is short sighted. It would seem there's a much bigger picture and no one knows the answer.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 11:06:19 PM

OK, explain this one. 7;-]

And how could a process based on random change be "a component of intelligent design"?

[Edited by: rjhenn at 10/18/2014 11:07:14 PM EST]
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SoylentGrain
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"Not that I entirely disagree with you, but explain Intelligent Design being entirely the province of conservatives. "

I wouldn't attempt to explain any theory of the origin of life. But, I'm not sure it would be a theory held only by conservatives? For what it's worth, in the brief discussions I have had with people on intelligent design, most feel evolution is a component of intelligent design.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 7:02:42 PM

SoylentGrain - "Except, conservatives, especially Tea Party conservatives, generally possess a higher math and science IQ than liberals. According to the paper a Yale Law professor wrote, the higher the math/ science IQ the higher the proportion of conservatives. Conversely, the lower the IQ, the higher proportion of liberals."

Not that I entirely disagree with you, but explain Intelligent Design being entirely the province of conservatives.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 4:21:00 PM



>>The GOP in General and the NRA in particular don't like Surgeon Generals because of their scientific background causes them to go against GOP positions because of the GOP's anti-science bias and interference:

What a load of crap. SG's are political animals no matter which side nominates them. Science is a distant 2nd to political positions. And to suggest that the GOP is alone in its anti-science bias is bias in and of itself.

Is it any surprise that the CDC wasted its time and money on crap not relevant to its core mission and that they are looking like fools in the matter of everything ebola?

Is it a surprise that the US could learn a ton by paying attention to Nigeria's response to the ebola outbreak? (The answer is a resounding "no".)

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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 1:54:06 PM

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[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 10/18/2014 1:55:06 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 1:51:54 PM

"Except, conservatives, especially Tea Party conservatives, generally possess a higher math and science IQ than liberals"

You didn't need a link. I think everyone know that.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 8:34:58 AM

"The GOP in General and the NRA in particular don't like Surgeon Generals because of their scientific background causes them to go against GOP positions because of the GOP's anti-science bias and interference:"

Except, conservatives, especially Tea Party conservatives, generally possess a higher math and science IQ than liberals. According to the paper a Yale Law professor wrote, the higher the math/ science IQ the higher the proportion of conservatives. Conversely, the lower the IQ, the higher proportion of liberals.
cross-analysis of intelligence and political affiliation
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 12:38:04 AM

Passer - "Bush's Surgeon General was plagued by the Administration's Political Interfernce throughout his tenure. The GOP in General and the NRA in particular don't like Surgeon Generals because of their scientific background causes them to go against GOP positions because of the GOP's anti-science bias and interference:"

Except that, unlike some of the other issues you mention, there is no scientific basis for gun control.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 12:36:44 AM

Weaslespit - "By a knife?"

At such close range, a knife can be more dangerous than a gun.

Especially when the one holding the knife knows what he's doing better than the one holding the gun.
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 4:59:44 PM

"Mr. Dunn, your life is effectively over," Healey said. "What is sad ... is that this case exemplifies that our society seems to have lost its way."

Bingo, Mr. Prosecutor.

"Dunn never called 911 after firing into the SUV, and afterward he went back to his hotel, made a drink, ordered pizza, walked his dog and went to sleep."

Strange how people like to claim self-defense and that their life was threatened as justification for getting their gun and shooting at people, yet then don't follow that up with a call to the police - just resume life as usual.

This is not normal behavior.
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 2:37:56 PM

Bush's Surgeon General was plagued by the Administration's Political Interfernce throughout his tenure. The GOP in General and the NRA in particular don't like Surgeon Generals because of their scientific background causes them to go against GOP positions because of the GOP's anti-science bias and interference:


"On July 10, 2007, Carmona, along with former Surgeons General C. Everett Koop and David Satcher, testified before the United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform about political and ideological interference with the Surgeon General's mission. Carmona accused the Bush Administration of preventing him from speaking out on certain public health issues such as embryonic stem cell research, global climate change,[19] emergency contraception, and abstinence-only sex education, where the Administration's political stance conflicted with scientific and medical opinion.[20]

"Carmona also testified that the Bush Administration had attempted for years to "water down" his report on the dangers of secondhand smoke and pressured him not to testify in the tobacco industry's racketeering trial: "Anything that doesn't fit into the political appointees' ideological, theological or political agenda is ignored, marginalized or simply buried."[21][22] According to Carmona, he was even ordered not to attend the Special Olympics because the event was sponsored by the Kennedy family, and was told to mention President Bush three times on every page of his speeches.[15] The Washington Post subsequently identified William R. Steiger as the Bush Administration official who had blocked release of Carmona's report on global health because it conflicted with the Administration's political priorities.[23]

"Reuters reported that Carmona's predecessors as Surgeon General had acknowledged the high level of political interference he experienced, saying: "We have never seen it as partisan, as malicious, as vindictive, as mean-spirited as it is today, and you clearly have worse than anyone's had."[21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Carmona

The GOP wants ALL Surgenon Generals to tote ITS line -- even those that it had confirmed and thought in their pocket. Now imagine a Democratic nominee not supported by its superiors in the NRA????
CAN YOU IMAGINE WHY THE NOMINEE'S CONFIRMATION WAS "SHOT DOWN" oops, sorry, not considered??

EBOLA be damned you like so many others are just "collateral damage" to the NRA's AIMs...





[Edited by: Passer at 10/17/2014 2:43:01 PM EST]
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migwitch
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"With the current Ebola crisis this country should have a Surgeon General. The NRA is responsible for not allowing a vote on the current nominee for the position in the Senate for over a year because of the nominee's remarks in the past that the NRA doesn't like."

But we now have an Ebola "czar", a political hack with no medical training.

If Obama wanted a Surgeon General, he'd nominate someone who wasn't head of "Doctors for Obama" and against lawful gun owners.

"Undoubtedly the President's advisers could easily locate an experienced, articulate and relatively nonpolitical doctor who would be proud to assume the post. We don't pick our doctors for their politics, we pick them for their experience and their competence. The surgeon general should be selected in the same spirit -- and one would hope that the President and Congress would have figured this out. At some point, the surgeon general must stand at the podium and inspire the confidence of the American people."

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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 1:44:58 PM

i guess we were always taught 2 central body chest mass , 1 head.
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 1:22:17 PM

With the current Ebola crisis this country should have a Surgeon General. The NRA is responsible for not allowing a vote on the current nominee for the position in the Senate for over a year because of the nominee's remarks in the past that the NRA doesn't like.

More proof that "the NRA's 'ideas' don't work!

This K-Street Lobbying group has less to do with "gun control" than Reactionary politics. They do not work in the country's interest, their "ideas" have continued to cripple this country and eventually they will have enough blood on their hands to build a pool to allow kids in an elementary school like Sandy Hook to go swimming.

But they do fulfill their sole mission to exploit the proliferation of guns at any cost and they do make a splash: unfortunately it is from that aforementioned swimming pool to splash in Uncle Sam's face enough to blind him from all reason.




[Edited by: Passer at 10/17/2014 1:25:13 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 1:11:22 PM

Captain Kirk did good......

The only mistake he made was the dumb stunt of shooting in the foot. One in the chest and one in the head is much better.
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 9:56:17 AM

"Yes, most likely the mugger would have died instead of being scared off."

By a knife?
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 11:25:29 PM

teacher_tim - "The mugging scene in Crocidile Dundee would have gone quite differently had the mugger been armed with a pistol instead of a knife."

Yes, most likely the mugger would have died instead of being scared off.
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 9:50:40 AM

"The mugging scene in Crocidile Dundee would have gone quite differently had the mugger been armed with a pistol instead of a knife."

If Crocodile Dundee were being filmed today, he would be carrying a Redhawk Alaskan under his leather vest instead of a knife behind his back.
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"Anyone remember this old you tube video of Denny Crane?"

Dang! Blew coffee all over my screen.
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 9:42:54 AM

Anyone remember this old you tube video of Denny Crane?
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 9:37:47 AM

The mugging scene in Crocidile Dundee would have gone quite differently had the mugger been armed with a pistol instead of a knife.
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 9:24:39 AM

well, the phrase: "grab a brick, let's go shopping" is quite old, as the brick has now long ago been replaced by a stolen gun.
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 8:46:50 AM

more urban/suburban predators
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 8:40:38 AM

Two Democrat politicians use gun to foil armed robbery.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 10/16/2014 8:42:02 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 8:28:42 AM

"Excellent observation, and why I think that both extremes are full of nuts."

Agreed.
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migwitch -"We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics."

Excellent observation, and why I think that both extremes are full of nuts.
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Times Square, lower level... lol
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Down by the Museum of Natural History and Central Park? I saw those, I thought they were raccoons at first!
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 3:46:08 PM

"Urban/suburban survival
maybe against these predators?"

I saw some pretty big rats in the NYC subway tunnels...
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 3:28:54 PM

Urban/suburban survival
maybe against these predators?
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 12:59:47 PM

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics,
but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few
lunatics.

Funny how that works, with the joke being on us.

FYI, the Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan is meant for dangerous game protection in the 49th state, that's why it's called the "Alaskan". It's relatively light for easy packing and uses a caliber that is sufficient to reach the vitals of a large brown or grizzly bear provided the right bullet is used, typically a hard cast lead flat point.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 12:08:29 PM

"Lots of predators out there. Thus we have the Redhawk Alaskan."

LOL - true. Urban/suburban survival...
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 12:03:29 PM

Lots of predators out there. Thus we have the Redhawk Alaskan.
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 11:50:13 AM

"There were also predators on the plains in those days. Wolves, coyotes, big cats and even bears. It was also not uncommon for them to kill that nights dinner."

Which was usually done with a rifle, given the difference in accuracy/range.

"In some respects that hasn't changed."

Absolutely. Still the case out in remote/rural areas today.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 10/15/2014 11:50:28 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 2:51:33 AM

"The reason they almost exclusively used an external holster (as in out in plain sight) was that it was the most practical method to carry a large revolver while doing their job."

It 'also' said 'I'm armed - play at your own risk'...

There were also predators on the plains in those days. Wolves, coyotes, big cats and even bears. It was also not uncommon for them to kill that nights dinner. It was free after all. There also were two legged predators the would try to take live stock. In some respects that hasn't changed.
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