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Michiganian

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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 4:11:46 PM

Just ask the survivors at Columbine HS, Fort Hood and Virginia Tech.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 7:48:07 PM

Being unarmed didn't help these two drivers both killed in less than six months.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 4/17/2014 7:48:39 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 5:39:40 PM


That being armed seemed to work good here
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>>> The Buffalo News reported:

A gang of robbers attacked a pizza deliveryman just before 10:30 p.m. Monday as he brought food to a house in the 400 block of Cornwall Avenue, near Erie County Medical Center.

In the front hallway of the house, one of the robbers, who wore a mask and had a brown hoodie pulled over his face, hit the deliveryman on the head with a hammer, according to police.

The masked man also displayed what appeared to be a gun, police said.

But then, the deliveryman told investigators, he pulled out his own handgun and fired a shot, striking the masked man. The rest of the gang scattered.<<<

Good on ya Pizza guy......
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:42:00 PM

Weaslespit - "Only if you are looking at the literal sense, and mine was certainly figurative based on your apples-to-oranges comparison."

Hardly apples-to-oranges. More like dollars-to-Deutsch marks.

"It doesn't seem to work very well as-is..."

I doubt it could ever work perfectly, without getting a lot more intrusive. And letting a few hundred or thousand a year get through, out of millions of checks, isn't doing that badly.

"No, the 110% increase in likely trafficked guns used in crimes."

That doesn't seem to be what the legend on the left says. Even if so, all that means is that NICS has driven traffic away from legitimate dealers to the black market.

"And I would contend you would have far fewer cases go to trial if it were a simple fine to be paid - much like a traffic ticket. You only need appear in court if you wish to dispute the charges :) Perhaps a bit simplified..."

I can see any number of problems, but it might have an effect.

Not on prohibited persons getting guns, but on them getting them from legitimate dealers.

Who's going to issue the ticket? What about fake IDs?

[Edited by: rjhenn at 4/17/2014 4:45:51 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:29:43 PM

"If the pharmacist breaks the law and risks losing his license."

Only if you are looking at the literal sense, and mine was certainly figurative based on your apples-to-oranges comparison.

"No, I just know how it works."

It doesn't seem to work very well as-is...

"A 2004 report by the Justice Department’s Inspector General found that even agents who regularly investigate gun crime believe that most people who fail background checks are not dangerous, and that the reasons they flunk the check are minor or based on incidents that occurred years in the past. The report cited the case of a man who was rejected because of a 1941 felony conviction for stealing a pig."

And in 10 years, no improvements have been made - quite a feat given how much data is shared these days.

"Not sure I follow. What's scary about the ability to trace over twice as many crime guns back to their last point of sale?"

No, the 110% increase in likely trafficked guns used in crimes.

"True, but I was only talking about the cost of prosecution, which is what the DA's or US Attorney's office would be concerned with."

And I would contend you would have far fewer cases go to trial if it were a simple fine to be paid - much like a traffic ticket. You only need appear in court if you wish to dispute the charges :) Perhaps a bit simplified...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:49:19 PM

Weaslespit - "Absolutely - but right now with the gaping holes in the current system you would be able to attain 'illegal drugs at a pharmacy'..."

If the pharmacist breaks the law and risks losing his license.

"You are very trusting of the system..."

No, I just know how it works.

"Unworkable? Nay - just not properly supported. Did you not read the link provided?"

Yep: "A 2004 report by the Justice Department’s Inspector General found that even agents who regularly investigate gun crime believe that most people who fail background checks are not dangerous, and that the reasons they flunk the check are minor or based on incidents that occurred years in the past. The report cited the case of a man who was rejected because of a 1941 felony conviction for stealing a pig."

And: "“The word went out, ‘You are going to be denied. You might as well find another means of getting it, either through the illicit market or through the legal non-NICS markets, such as gun shows and private transactions,’” says Alfred Blumstein, a crime expert at Carnegie Mellon University."

"Here is a scary trend..."

Not sure I follow. What's scary about the ability to trace over twice as many crime guns back to their last point of sale?

"I would argue that jailing an inmate is far more costly than collecting a fine, as well as prosecuting..."

True, but I was only talking about the cost of prosecution, which is what the DA's or US Attorney's office would be concerned with.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:20:19 PM

"If they bought from a licensed dealer. But there are plenty of other places to get guns. Just like there are plenty of places to get drugs."

Absolutely - but right now with the gaping holes in the current system you would be able to attain 'illegal drugs at a pharmacy'...

"If they didn't game the system with fake ID, most likely they did fail."

You are very trusting of the system...

"Paper system? And it might not work that well because it's essentially unworkable."

Unworkable? Nay - just not properly supported. Did you not read the link provided?

Here is a scary trend...

"Not much, if any."

I would argue that jailing an inmate is far more costly than collecting a fine, as well as prosecuting...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:03:30 PM

Weaslespit - "Did they?"

If they bought from a licensed dealer. But there are plenty of other places to get guns. Just like there are plenty of places to get drugs.

"And if they did, did they fail again?"

If they didn't game the system with fake ID, most likely they did fail.

"I sure don't trust a paper system lacking in resources and current information to get it right enough to depend on..."

Paper system? And it might not work that well because it's essentially unworkable.

"One is much more expensive than the other..."

Not much, if any.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 1:25:08 PM

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[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 4/17/2014 1:25:24 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 9:05:37 AM

"And go through the same BG check?"

Did they? And if they did, did they fail again? I sure don't trust a paper system lacking in resources and current information to get it right enough to depend on...

"Either requires prosecution."

One is much more expensive than the other...

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 4/17/2014 9:06:26 AM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 5:46:58 PM

Weaslespit - "Does your data show that they didn't go to the next store down the street and try again?"

And go through the same BG check?

"Does it have to be a jailable offense? I think a hefty fine would be better..."

Either requires prosecution.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 4:25:51 PM

"Yet they still aren't able to buy a firearm legally, so how did the BG check fail?"

Does your data show that they didn't go to the next store down the street and try again?

"Can we afford that many prosecutions for being refused a purchase of a firearm?"

Does it have to be a jailable offense? I think a hefty fine would be better...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 3:49:09 PM

Weaslespit - "No, I don't think that they work, otherwise the few that are recorded as being ineligible wouldn't try in the first place - especially as there are no repercussions for attempting to do so..."

Yet they still aren't able to buy a firearm legally, so how did the BG check fail?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 3:29:27 PM

Weaslespit - "No, I don't think that they work, otherwise the few that are recorded as being ineligible wouldn't try in the first place - especially as there are no repercussions for attempting to do so..."

True, it's not illegal to fail a background check, just illegal to sell a firearm to someone who failed a BG check. That wouldn't change with any of the proposed 'solutions' that I've heard of.

And about 150,000 a year isn't "few". Can we afford that many prosecutions for being refused a purchase of a firearm?

So what do you support?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 2:57:50 PM

"So you don't think that background checks work, or that most criminals get their weapons through already illegal channels?"

No, I don't think that they work, otherwise the few that are recorded as being ineligible wouldn't try in the first place - especially as there are no repercussions for attempting to do so...

"Actually, most of the real problems with illegal drugs seem to only be made worse by making them illegal."

There is not a doubt that is does cause other issues - like burglaries due to the high street costs ;)
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 2:26:53 PM

Weaslespit - "Do you have data? I would bet it is still one-sided with there being more burglaries when the owners are not home...

"An estimated 3.7 million household burglaries occurred each
year on average from 2003 to 2007. In about 28% of these
burglaries, a household member was present during the burglary."
U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics

The similar figure for England and Wales is over 50%. Table 1.8 (Excel spreadsheet)

"There are other factors too, I should think."

Without a doubt.

"Was he over-the-top? Sure. His points are still valid, however, and it is 'still' the worst counter-argument made by the Right."

If that's the worst one, then his side is in real trouble.

"Nope, it only shows that right now we are still giving them free access - we aren't even trying to make it hard for them..."

So you don't think that background checks work, or that most criminals get their weapons through already illegal channels?

"Or there is simple empirical evidence as is the case with marijuana that is really isn't that bad as it was made out to be..."

Indeed. Actually, most of the real problems with illegal drugs seem to only be made worse by making them illegal.

Again: "criminals don't follow the law". 7;-]

[Edited by: rjhenn at 4/16/2014 2:30:15 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 1:00:12 PM

"That’s an interesting argument, especially when you consider the push to legalize many of the drugs that are or were illegal because they either can’t stop the flow or realized there was tax money to be made..."

Or there is simple empirical evidence as is the case with marijuana that is really isn't that bad as it was made out to be...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 12:58:55 PM

"Which doesn't explain why the US rate of burglary while someone is home tends to be much lower than that of other countries, where guns are more restricted than here."

Do you have data? I would bet it is still one-sided with there being more burglaries when the owners are not home...

There are other factors too, I should think.

"Gun restrictions are not laws against "a destructive behavior". Owning a gun is not a destructive behavior. Misusing a gun is a destructive behavior. The "anti-gun regulation crowd" generally has no problem with laws against misusing guns. But I'm pretty sure he's unable to see the distinction."

Was he over-the-top? Sure. His points are still valid, however, and it is 'still' the worst counter-argument made by the Right.

"And if his major concern is to make it harder for bad buys to get their hands on guns, then the argument that "criminals don't follow the law" is a pretty good one."

Nope, it only shows that right now we are still giving them free access - we aren't even trying to make it hard for them...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 12:53:06 PM

"Weaselspit's "Criminlas don't follow the law' is the worst excuse from the Right..." linked article is written by someone who obviously doesn't have a clue and isn't smart enough to even complete a few sentences without having to need an expletive to complete his train of thought..."

It was like reading one of your own posts, eh? LOL!
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 12:34:20 AM

Well, we do have the example of Prohibition.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 6:42:12 PM

>>>>>>And if his major concern is to make it harder for bad buys to get their hands on guns, then the argument that "criminals don't follow the law" is a pretty good one. Since our drug laws have only made it very profitable to sell illegal drugs, why would we expect a different result if guns were severely regulated?<<<<<

That’s an interesting argument, especially when you consider the push to legalize many of the drugs that are or were illegal because they either can’t stop the flow or realized there was tax money to be made.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 5:11:33 PM

Weaslespit - "Avoiding detection to prevent capture would be the #1 deterrent there - not to prevent death."

Which doesn't explain why the US rate of burglary while someone is home tends to be much lower than that of other countries, where guns are more restricted than here.

"'Criminlas don't follow the law' is the worst excuse from the Right..."

Well, he's right that "if you make idiotic, childish arguments you sacrifice your credibility."

His argument about gun laws and rape is completely idiotic and childish. Gun restrictions are not laws against "a destructive behavior". Owning a gun is not a destructive behavior. Misusing a gun is a destructive behavior. The "anti-gun regulation crowd" generally has no problem with laws against misusing guns. But I'm pretty sure he's unable to see the distinction.

So where does he have any evidence that reasonable restrictions can in any way make it harder for bad buys to get their hands on guns? And what does he consider "reasonable restrictions"?

And if his major concern is to make it harder for bad buys to get their hands on guns, then the argument that "criminals don't follow the law" is a pretty good one. Since our drug laws have only made it very profitable to sell illegal drugs, why would we expect a different result if guns were severely regulated?

[Edited by: rjhenn at 4/15/2014 5:13:06 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 3:14:14 PM

BuzzLOL said: "Back in 2000, our city had 1,000 cops... now with budget cuts, that has dropped to about 500... I feel much safer now... when there was 1,000, they were lurking on every street corner trying to get their quota of traffic tickets"

Good story there.

Some may infer from it that cops are bad, because cutting the force in half was actually better for the citizens.

But what they SHOULD infer from it is that BIG GOVERNMENT is bad, demonstrated by a force that no longer had the people's interests in mind, but their own.

[Edited by: jeskibuff at 4/15/2014 3:14:51 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 3:04:44 PM

Weaselspit's "Criminlas don't follow the law' is the worst excuse from the Right..." linked article is written by someone who obviously doesn't have a clue and isn't smart enough to even complete a few sentences without having to need an expletive to complete his train of thought.

Has he no concept that a criminal is only emboldened by a "gun-free zone" sign, knowing that his chances are much better in getting away with his crime in one?

The ability to protect yourself against violent members of our society shouldn't be an argument equal to the enactment and enforcement of anti-pornography laws, as he proclaims. Generally speaking, no one really dies if suddenly exposed to illegal child pornography, for instance. Limiting the ability of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves from savage animals is all that the likes of Feinstein, Schumer & Obozo seek to accomplish with their gun-control efforts.

How do people get to get to be such morons as Mr. James Schlarmann appears to be? What gall they have to call other people stupid when their own arguments fall apart with the greatest of ease!

[Edited by: jeskibuff at 4/15/2014 3:05:40 PM EST]
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 12:37:29 PM

. I came home one day to discover I had caught some burglars in my house... I called 911 while I stayed outside and tried to keep them bottled up inside... when the police arrived, a female officer asked me how long it had taken to respond... I told her the truth: 1 1/2 hours... she just sighed... in the meantime, they had slipped out a side of the house I wasn't on... but they dropped most of their booty running away...

. Back in 2000, our city had 1,000 cops... now with budget cuts, that has dropped to about 500... I feel much safer now... when there was 1,000, they were lurking on every street corner trying to get their quota of traffic tickets... then started handing out fake tickets to raise more money... the police union finally filed a grievance against the city to stop them being pressured into writing fake tickets... I had gotten 8 or 9 of them... took about 20 trips to court and a couple times in jail to get free of them all... but they never got a penny out of me... the courts kept calling each court appearance a pre-trial as the officers began refusing to show up to support the phony tickets... a cell phone and/or dashcam camera could show them to be perjuring themselves, so they got scared...

[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 4/15/2014 12:39:49 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:05:35 AM

"When seconds count, I'm sure it comforts you to know that the police are just minutes away."

If seconds count, I again defer you to playing the odds which are higher in your favor of survival - ie do not needlessly escalate the situation.

Sure, you 'might' come out on top as Johnny posted examples of, but...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:03:49 AM

"these situations wouldn't occur in the first."

'Criminlas don't follow the law' is the worst excuse from the Right...
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:01:02 AM

teachertim: "Do you carry a cop with you since you seem not to like the idea of guns?"

Weaslespit: "Yes - I have a cell phone capable of calling 911 ;)"

When seconds count, I'm sure it comforts you to know that the police are just minutes away.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 9:56:19 AM

"Which means you need a gun, and some training, in the first place. 7;-]"

Absolutely - I am not a purist that thinks nobody should have guns...

"Or have theirs be taken.

Which might be why the US has one of the lowest rates of burglary while someone is home."

Avoiding detection to prevent capture would be the #1 deterrent there - not to prevent death.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 9:54:18 AM

"Gun violence,as is any violence is a mental health issue, not a gun issue.
If its a gun issue, then all mine must be defective."

This is the typical sad excuse from the Right.

What they fail to ignore is that most gun owners are responsible gun owners until something happens that causes them to behave otherwise. Anger is not a mental health issue, it is an emotion... Not all homicides are committed by people who are mentally unstable.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 9:52:20 AM

"Do you carry a cop with you since you seem not to like the idea of guns?"

Yes - I have a cell phone capable of calling 911 ;)
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 9:49:59 AM

"I carry a water bottle quite often, that could be used to put out a fire. So yes I do carry fire extinguisher."

Not many people are killed from using a Bic lighter...
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 9:48:55 AM

"Each case is different. But there are plenty of cases were the victim complies and still gets shot and killed."

Absolutely - which is why I play the odds that are most in my favor. I'm not one to gamble on long odds, especially with my life.

"I am rarely more than 30 or so feet from a fire extinguisher or some type of fire suppression system."

You are avoiding the obvious answer. Do you carry one on your person at all times to protect yourself from fire? It doesn't even have to be concealed carry...

"11,078 are killed in homicides with guns but some think I should not be able to protect myself from that."

Like I said, if somebody enters my home and threatens my family...

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 4/15/2014 9:51:08 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 10:12:26 PM

There are a few people on these threads who believe that if guns were outlawed, these situations wouldn't occur in the first.

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/14/2014 10:14:48 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 10:11:47 PM

Arlington Police Release Surveillance Video From Shoe Store Shooting

The killer was caught but that doesn't help the victim.

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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:45:23 PM

There are just so many to chose from.

Waffle House customer shoots robbery suspect

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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 9:08:29 PM

>>>>"So let's get this straight - somebody comes in with a weapon, and rather than acquiesce to their demands you go for yours - you don't think you just increased the odds that the person with the weapon already out won't use it?"<<<<<<

It’s case by case. It all depends on the intruder, his intentions, do I have my weapon on me, is he distracted by something? Each case is different. But there are plenty of cases were the victim complies and still gets shot and killed. If someone demands my wallet I do have a choice. That's all I want, a chance and choice.
I’m sure you have seen some of these.

Quick-draw clerk

Store Clerk Pulls Gun On Armed Robber


Armed Teenage Robber shot at by Store Clerk

Video shows Anaheim liquor store clerk pulling gun on armed robbers

Armed Liquor Store Clerk Holds Robbers for Police


who could forget this one.



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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 8:20:12 PM

. BTW, there is another giveaway of 2 more free guns going on this month! I think it's by National GunOwners Association... sign up for a chance for free again...
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 8:01:46 PM

Do you think the Fed's (BLM) would have backed off in Nevada at the Bundy ranch if the Cowboys weren't armed ??????

2nd Amendment works folks !!!
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 7:54:19 PM

Typical liberalthink. Maybe its time the entire UC Berkly police force take action and just stay home for a few weeks or something.
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>>>Former UC Berkeley police officer Allison Jacobs is being denied a concealed carry permit by the university because she is on medical retirement.

Jacobs is the officer who ascertained the identity of the man who kidnapped Jaycee Dugard. Dugard was kidnapped in 1991, and was held until Jacobs detected something suspicious about Phillip Craig Garrido in 2009.

She contacted Garrido's parole officer and it was soon discovered he had been holding Dugard captive for 18 years.

According to Fox News, Jacobs was injured on the job one year after Garrido's arrest and was "medically retired from the University of California Berkeley." And although retired "officers in California are issued CCWs, or concealed carry weapons permits, and police ID badges," Jacobs is being denied her CCW because she is on medical retirement.

When Jacobs asked for her CCW in 2010, she was told she was not eligible, and UC Berkeley "moved to revoke the permit from other police officers who had retired due to medical disability."<<<

Yep if they cant be trusted to carry after they have to retire for medical reasons maybe they cant be trusted to carry any kind of weapon on the job either. Maybe they are just too dangerous to allow on campus at all - I cna just see the OWS type crowd now chanting "No more cops".
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 7:18:33 PM

I was at the Dallas gun show this past weekend, it is one of the largest gun showes in the country and it was awsome.
There were no mass shootings in or near the gun show.

I carry a water bottle quite often, that could be used to put out a fire. So yes I do carry fire extinguisher.
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 7:07:41 PM

>>>>>>"I would much rather go down fighting."

Do you carry a fire extinguisher on your person at all times too given the number of people injured/killed in fires anually?

Just asking...<<<<<<<

I have three in my house, one in my truck one in each of my cars, one in my office several in the shop plus a sprinkler system and a deluge system at the fuel island. All commercial vehicles have one onboard. I am rarely more than 30 or so feet from a fire extinguisher or some type of fire suppression system.

All of this to protect myself, others and property from fire. Fire kills about 3,194 people a year.

11,078 are killed in homicides with guns but some think I should not be able to protect myself from that.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 4/14/2014 7:13:13 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 5:49:36 PM

WES03 said: "Ever hear of a mass shooting at a gun show?"

Why no...no I haven't!

The liberals will tell you that they happen all the time and that they're so violent and deadly that no one is left alive to tell the story...which is why we never hear about them, right?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 4:41:36 PM

Weaslespit - "Please. This isn't the movies - the vast majority of burglars don't want there to be anybody home in the first place. They are not there to take a life..."

Or have theirs be taken.

Which might be why the US has one of the lowest rates of burglary while someone is home.

"There is the small percentage though that wouldn't hesitate to take a life, and for that eventuality one must be prepared. That doesn't mean you go actively seeking them out - you put yourself in the best defensible position should you need to escalate to the point where gun play is required."

Which means you need a gun, and some training, in the first place. 7;-]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 4:28:59 PM

Timmmmmmmmmm for crimmny sake dont go giving them any ideas - the next thing yoyu know they will want another fat tax increase to "protect the children" and "put cops on the beat".
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 3:22:39 PM

No, I don't carry one on me, but I have a fire extinguisher in my car and several in my house. Just like guns, fire extinguishers are a tool for preventing bad things from happening to people.

Do you carry a cop with you since you seem not to like the idea of guns?

[Thought I'd try liberal logic, lol]

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 4/14/2014 3:24:42 PM EST]
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XJohnnyVx
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 3:20:59 PM

if people were spontaneously combusting around me, than yes I would lug a fire extinguisher around, but since they dont, your comparison is void...
Gun violence,as is any violence is a mental health issue, not a gun issue.
If its a gun issue, then all mine must be defective.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 3:02:03 PM

"I would much rather go down fighting."

Do you carry a fire extinguisher on your person at all times too given the number of people injured/killed in fires anually?

Just asking...
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 2:11:35 PM

Yup, that would be the previous owner, who had to sell the store after sustaioning brain damage from being pistol-whipped by a thug. He was unarmed at the time. I would much rather go down fighting.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 2:01:50 PM

"I'm faster and better trained than your average thug. That's why I ALWAYS worked armed when I managed a liquor store."

Good think you never ran into an above-average thug with that cowboy mentality.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 1:41:08 PM

I'm faster and better trained than your average thug. That's why I ALWAYS worked armed when I managed a liquor store.
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