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YDraigGoch

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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 8:16:40 PM

Let’s just look at some of the subjects that show up on Gas Buddies on a regular basis.

Obamacare:

I love this one. I, like many people, believe that a healthy country is a strong country. Healthy people do better work, and make better productd. Kaiser proved that in WWII. But Kaiser also mandated that in order to get that care (and the job), you had to meet certain standards of weight and physical fitness.

Today, every fat butt and beer belly wants medical care. Smokers too. No requirements to take any steps to get healthy. Something about the "nanny state".

Welfare

When I was a boy in Wales, after the war, a lot of people were on “the dole”. There were no jobs because industry had been severely damaged by the war. So the government set up housing, and provided people with food, clothing, a transportation pass, and even a couple of bob for fags and an occasional pint at the pub.

But in order to get all that, you had to be at the work station early in the morning. If no jobs were available, you might find yourself on a crew rebuilding anything from roads to factories.

Today, due to certain influences, the government cannot make anyone work. Unions say that causes them to lose jobs. Some minority groups make references to slavery. Some government people say it creates a “hostile environment for government people”. I guess being made to work might eventuall apply to all of them too.Gun control:

The recent shootings have brought this one up big time.

When Obama became President, all the self proclaimed non racists went out in a wild orgy of fear, and bought guns. LOTS of guns. Gun sales over the past four years have been at record numbers. But while gun sales have boomed (sorry) , training has increased a modest 8%. Shooting ranges show about a 15% increase in business.

Lots of extra guns. Not many people learning how to be responsible with them. And many that do go to the ranges are concentrating on being a good shot, not a good shooter. The rest are just plain dangerous people In possession of a machine that can kill someone blocks away. They buy a gun, load it up, put it in a drawer so that they can be a “hero” if someone breaks in. Sort of like a fourteen year old on a sugar high with the keys to a Corvette.

There are, of course, dozens of example like this, Businesses want to use our infrastructure, but don’t want to pay taxes to support it. Corporations want big fat contracts, and again, no taxes. We want schools for our kids, but don’t want to pay for it.

Everyone wants to go the heaven.

Nobody wants to die.

Will America EVER wake up? Or are we doomed to continue our selfish, destructive ways?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 5:20:24 PM

So what did YDraigGoch say to get himself banned?
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:19:23 AM

Too many people playing the Free Ride Card. Not enough people taking responsibility for themselves. Too many people wanting the Government to Take care of them.....

SAD
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 9:07:04 PM

You say "selfish" like it is a bad thing.
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HEDGEHOGS
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 8:57:32 PM

no. it's become a nation of entitlement. more people getting handouts and less people working to receive those benefits. no wonder obama wants the rich to pay more taxes. how else can the u.s take care of all the extra money being paid out?
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 11:40:56 PM

Ya but that is limited to only 1%.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 8:22:55 PM

People should work for welfare; Government should pay a fair wage.

Big business should pay a bigger tax rate than people because they use more of the government services than ordinary people.

The rich should pay more than the middle class. The middle class buys most of the "stuff" businesses make. The rich mostly invest to make more money. The middle class is the key to an economic recovery, not the wealthy.

Decent people with guns should not be punished for the actions of bad people with guns. That is the George Bush attacking Iraq mentality.

We should have national health care. People should be required to maintain health standards or pay a higher premium. Just like we do where I work.

I also believe that everyone should have to perform some sort of national service. A draft, if you want to call it that. It doesn't have to be just the military. There is a TON of work that needs doing in America.

This is not rocket science, folks. This is common sense. But just about every item I just listed will get some people into a rage.

Which is why I started this topic. In hopes that some people will calm the heck down, and look at the reality of our situation.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 12:18:37 PM

Gee gocat - here all this time I thought Obama's home of record was Chicago. Wasnt he a state Senator there and didnt he fill one of the US Senate seats from that state?

Now I have to admit that if you want to go vacations somewhere adn have free transportation etc Hawaii in December and January beats the heck oughta Chitown for sure.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 12:07:16 PM

I, and everybody in the political party I support, are all perfect. We are the true Americans working hard for what we built and the American Dream. It's those scumbags in the other party who are all the bad ones. They want to destroy the USA. Of course, I no proof of this and can't really explain why they would want to do this; or how destroying the system that supports them would be to their benefit, but it's the only explanation that makes sense to my limited capacity to understand this big wide world.

I am generous enough to support the IDEA that everybody should work for everything they have all by themselves; but not quite generous enough to want to provide any monetary support what-so-ever to help anybody who can't, no matter how well I do myself.

I do think our tax money should go to high-profit Military Industrial Contractors to build more weapon systems than we'll probably ever use; to the point that the USA spends more than the next 25 nations combined on weapons and the military. That just makes good sense to me. After all. Starving people should be thankful they have a strong secure nation in which to suffer; and I don't mind helping with that. After all, if the USA simply outspent every other nation on the planet for weapons and military imperialism; but didn't outspend them to such a close degree that a few of them put together might overwhelm our destructive machinery spending, then they might gang up on us and destroy the way of life we can't even afford to extend to our least fortunate citizens!

I know that by spending so much on weapons and the military we have to short-change our education system and our infrastructure, which has a severely debilitating affect on our economy; but a few hard-working True Americans are fabulously rich and I refuse to let go of the fantasy that I might one day join them. So I don't want to do anything to infringe on their God-given right to exploit the less fortunate by throwing tons of cash at our representative form of self-government that has worked so well for them.

In short, I generously support the right to be selfish.
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americanmade1
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 11:22:40 AM

Not ALL AMERICANS, ONLY oDumbo-ites....
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:54:23 PM

very much so --with help from bozo bama
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 8:15:13 AM

A larger percentage of the population is undisciplined, irresponsible and/or selfish, hence why disciplined responsible workers, investors and businesses have more and more opportunity to make money.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 8:03:05 PM

AC-302: "SemiSteve - When you make statements like: "We are the original "I Got Mine The Hell With You" society. IGMTHWY" - it makes you seem rather bitter and as if you are are decrying all of America as being selfish and greedy."

--Well Gosh and Golly Darn it all. When you show it out of context like that it certainly does. But I consider myself a realist. To me that means seeing both sides of the issue. And just to let folks see for themselves how my sentiment comes across, let's show what I said in context with the full post:

"SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 12:19:29 PM
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We are the original "I Got Mine The Hell With You" society.

IGMTHWY

But we are also a society that engages in random acts of kindness. Remember the story about the NYPD guy who gave shoes to the homeless guy.

We got it all in the US of A. "

--I guess it all depends on how selective your eyes are. I gave two examples; one very selfish and one very generous. A realist's view.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:54:12 PM

CNN: "CBO: Fiscal cliff deal adds $4 trillion to deficits."
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 12:37:10 PM

101, "so much hatred" for pointing out some facts about the 1%. Steve should have also mentioned who is hiring illegals. Sadly you don't get it. Obama's home was Hawaii. He doesn't get any more than the other presidents got for paid vacations. Here I thought you loved the wealthy.

Ac, so you are for overseas accounts with the exception of Obama? Can you clear that up for us.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 11:41:01 AM

"I can't speak for the general population, but I will say that the government has."

The general population -is- the government.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed..." --Declaration of Independence
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Snowchoux
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 11:37:44 AM

I can't speak for the general population, but I will say that the government has.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 1:02:20 PM

You mean like when the leader of the United States goes off on vacation, at taxpayers' expense, to Hawaii less than 10 days before his country goes off the fiscal cliff?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 10:49:29 AM

>>Stop trying to make this about me. We are trying to discuss a concept here.<<

You just seem very anxious, Steve, to spend other people's money.
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florida1541
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 10:34:26 AM

yes we are both irresponsible and selfish, and it maybe to late to change back
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 10:29:05 AM

OH, so Steve, then do you decry Obama's account in the Caymens?? Why isn't Obama paying his 'fair share'? Hmm???

gocatgo said: "Ac-, "Yayhoo" or do you mean yahoo? Yahoo, a rude, loud, noisy person. There are plenty of these non racist people in the county I live in and unfortunately they are well armed and waiting for a revolution. Btw I own a Ruger Mark II, it is a great target pistol."

--Well, I didn't want to confuse anyone with the search engine website. And, as well, many folks colloquially pronounce the word as I typed it. It seems to me that it can also mean someone who is foolishly over-zealous.

SemiSteve - When you make statements like: "We are the original "I Got Mine The Hell With You" society. IGMTHWY" - it makes you seem rather bitter and as if you are are decrying all of America as being selfish and greedy.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 2:57:35 PM

Speedy, that is something that you are reading into my post. I didn't say that; and I don't feel that way.

Furthermore, you are talking about me. I am not the subject. I am not the topic. Stop trying to make this about me. We are trying to discuss a concept here. Stop trying to make it personal.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:46:56 PM

Steve you have so much hatred for people that work hard and are successful.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:45:04 PM

This ...and other things...

The important thing..is some folks recognize this and let the others know...

[Edited by: Tru2psu2 at 12/27/2012 1:46:36 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 1:41:12 PM

Those young kids serving in the military overseas? Getting arms and legs blown off? I don't think they are selfish.

Some 1% guy who got rich by firing people and moving American jobs over seas? And then he takes all his money and hides it in shell accounts in the Cayman Islands so he doesn't have to pay as much US taxes?

That guy. Yeah that guy. He's selfish out the yin yang.

Or how about the big agri-business CEO that lobbyed and donated to campaigns to get a law that makes it illegal for a small mom-and pop farm to label their foods as 'Not Genetically Modified'? Yeah. Now THAT's selfish.

Then there is someone who went through college and medical school and did a prestigious residency and then they go to a third world country and set up a clinic, working for next to nothing where their efforts are sorely needed. That's NOT selfish.

We got it all.

Maybe we hear more about the selfish ones because it's juicy media. And it sells. (For those who are obsessed with more more more money)
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 11:21:39 AM

Ac-, "Yayhoo" or do you mean yahoo? Yahoo, a rude, loud, noisy person. There are plenty of these non racist people in the county I live in and unfortunately they are well armed and waiting for a revolution. Btw I own a Ruger Mark II, it is a great target pistol.

Afs, "we have allowed people to be lazy and expect handouts". I hope that is not what you think of most of the unemployed in America. Your same "deadbeat lazy" description could be used for the deadbeat job creators that hire illegal aliens too.

America, selfish? I disagree. America has come to the aid of many nations during disasters including the darkest days of WWII. Too many people are too quick to sell this great nation short. On a personal note I became a lot less of a me me me guy when my son was born in 1971. Suddenly it was all about the baby. At age 41 it is still sometimes all about my son and his 2 children. I am now the president of "The Bank of Dad" prepared to make a loan with just a phone call. I'm open 24/7. All payments are due when you can afford them.
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WES03
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 8:39:04 AM

Yes.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:20:29 PM

"That is definitely a sad commentary, something to be said about limited terms."

Something to be said about self-examination as well.
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ber5
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:12:36 PM

"Our politicians come from among us."

That is definitely a sad commentary, something to be said about limited terms.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:23:48 PM

Just like our leader, King Obama.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:21:24 PM

"Are you posting about our politicians?"

Our politicians come from among us.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:18:57 PM

"Has America become a nation of irresponsible selfish people"

Are you posting about our politicians?
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ber5
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 7:53:57 PM

"Everyone wants to go the heaven.

Nobody wants to die."

Wow, from what I read in another topic, didn't think you believed in a heaven, but I guess you must since you used "hell" in the other rant...

oh, and many people that I know own many, many , many guns. One guy has 20 that he has told me about, some that are registered and some that are "not".
so it's possible that the % is not so bad... Or they may be trained by someone that is formally trained...
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 5:27:02 PM

The typical American wants your taxes to go up so his won't. He/she wants you to pay more taxes so his/her freebies will be protected.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 9:23:56 AM

C'mon Dragon man.. are bears Catholic? Does the Pope dump in the woods? Hey, wait a minute...

SemiSteve again wailed: "We are the original "I Got Mine The Hell With You" society."

--You know, in a capitalist society, everyone is expected to pull their own weight. Welfare is not expected as a way of life. We are an entrepreneurial society, full of opportunities. I don't see too many people who are truly being "kept down". What I see are people that are not willing to put their own work into their own basic education to excel on their own? Why so? Because largely we've made poverty too comfortable. Obviously the pain of poverty isn't dire enough if we have folks not trying to come off the rolls. Now, the rolls are growing due to very bad economic times. I get that. But those educated people that are "down" now, will be back when the economy improves and their skills are again needed. Opportunity is there. And guess what, Steve? Even with equal opportunity (which I believe we have in the US), equal outcomes cannot be guaranteed. If we both start convenience stores, yours may make more money than mine. Why? Because you might have a better price, or you might have selected a better location. And as to jobs, you might simply have been in the right place at the right time. What of it?

[Edited by: AC-302 at 12/22/2012 9:24:59 AM EST]
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florida1541
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 1:47:33 PM

not with out getting reed of the fat cats in dc ,

then we start over no give aways to anyone or anything until we are trukly balanced and not balanced by washington math but realy even

then we go back to the days of asking ourselfs what we can do for our country, not what the country can do for us.

alot of people will suffer for short time but was we are back on track we can pass on the american dream , not just talk about it
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 12:49:09 PM

You are right, Bell. The president does not know how to lead.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 12:46:43 PM

Just as a squad reflects its leader, a country reflects its leader. President Obama's main job is to lead the country. When our country has went through troubled times in the past our leader, the President has gone on the television, radio, newspaper or soapbox to tell our nation what was going on and how he planned to lead us out of it.

Today, we have President Obama who has no experience as a leader. He takes every opportunity to further drive the wedge of division by insulting the Republicans and demanding that if they don't cave to his wishes, they are less of Americans than he is. Has anyone ever heard President Obama give a single speech where he didn't mention Republicans, those across the aisle or the "other" party?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 12:25:42 PM

>>But we are also a society that engages in random acts of kindness. Remember the story about the NYPD guy who gave shoes to the homeless guy.<<

As it turns out, Steve, that homeless guy wasn't homeless. He actually has a Section 8 apartment. He just doesn't like to stay inside of it. Mental health is the issue.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 12:19:29 PM

We are the original "I Got Mine The Hell With You" society.

IGMTHWY

But we are also a society that engages in random acts of kindness. Remember the story about the NYPD guy who gave shoes to the homeless guy.

We got it all in the US of A.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 11:52:54 AM

Ahhh! But if a bear craps in the woods, and no one is there to smell it, does it still leave a stink? :o)
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Yes, we are selfish, and always have been. But in the past, efforts were made to curtail the impulse. It was "frowned upon".

Today, it is held up as a great thing. Like Gordon Gekkos everywhere, "Greed is GOOD!".

People on welfare who contribute nothing.

People in unions demanding far more than the open market would allow.

The richest people using our government to increase their wealth, at our expense.

People wanting roads, schools, defense, medicare and everything else, but do not want to pay taxes for it.

Big banks who are supposed to take care of the money we invest are instead fattening the wallets of the .01%. And if they fail, we have to cough up tax money to protect OUR MONEY.

Yet look around at posts here. There is not ONE item that I just listed that has not been defended vigorously by someone on the hard right or the hard left. Instead of trying to change for the better, we defend our bad actions, usually in the name of our particular political persuasion.

Can anyone see some way to reverse this destructive trend?

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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 7:16:28 PM

Yes but it occurs more frequently in the ultra rich and CEO's.
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:54:51 PM

"Topic: Has America become a nation of irresponsible, selfish people?"

Funny question topic. Does a bear crap in the woods?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:19:29 PM

cymk - the "sue happy" culture of the US also points up the stupidity of many Americans. Here now. About 2 or 3 years ago I got summoned to court for jury duty. I was sent up to a jury room for selection (didn't get picked) over a case of someone who was on month to month, renting someone's guest house, and they terminated the rental. The renter was suing for "emotional distress". In our state, for that court, the amount had to be $25K or higher. The tenor of the non-seated jurors who went back to the "bull pen" was like: "Everyone has stress. So she had to find a new place, so what? That's worth $25K? My left foot it is!". It was refreshing to see some common sense displayed here in LaLa land.

I also don't buy these fool "but, but SOCIETY is to blame" arguments. Individual responsibility is KING, period.

SemiSteve said: "They are striving so hard to take care of themselves, play by the rules, do the right thing, that they don't feel they have the time to become informed and 'do the right thing' for the nation."

--OK, while I see your point, are not "doing the right thing", "striving to take care of oneself" and "playing by the rules" what we all OUGHT TO BE DOING?? If we all did this, don't you think that much of the ills of society would be cured? Not all, certainly, but most? By definition, you would not be having folks inflicting distress and suffering on others, knowingly, anyway. Do you see my point?

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cymk
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:34:52 AM

Haven't we always been selfish?

The fast food culture that we have had for years now has trained us to not wait for anything. We've been conditioned into blaming others for our own faults and problems. "Its not my fault I was burned, it was someone elses fault," (the original McD's hot coffee lawsuit). Not to mention warning labels on everytihng (for everything), to prevent manufacturer liability.
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cbuck80
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:49:00 AM

Yes lead by the Commander and Chief!
Society is a me driven society and in Nov. they American people chose to stay that way for the foreseeable future.
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:33:05 AM

>>Lots of extra guns. Not many people learning how to be responsible with them.<<

Here's a couple of irresponsible gun owners in my hometown:

Orlando police chief's gun stolen from her unmarked department vehicle

"Demings left her gun, three magazines and handcuffs in her SUV. It was parked outside of her $1.3 million home. Demings said she used her remote control to lock the vehicle, but investigators found she violated policy because she did not physically check to see if the doors were locked."

"Employees have the duty and responsibility to safeguard and maintain control and custody of department issued firearms."

Gun stolen from Orlando deputy fire chief's city vehicle

"The city has a policy banning guns from city vehicles and a policy that doors must be locked on city vehicles. The thief entered the vehicle through an unlocked door, police said."


[Edited by: LTVibe at 12/19/2012 9:37:09 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 12:02:38 AM

"We have our selves collectively to blame"

Only because we have allowed people to be lazy and expect handouts. We have not demanded anything in return from people who have taken liberties with our charity called welfare. Thus those of us that have been responsible citizens and have worked to provide for our families and our nation end up just getting taken advantage of. It is one of the oldest ways of looking at things...if you keep doing the jobs of others they will keep letting you do it for them. It is exactly the reason socialism does not work!

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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:59:00 PM

Y
You as always have some very valid points,lets look at the fat butts.
many people dont know what to do to get or stay healthy. Many of our foods are synthesized, the FDA recommends food groups based off lobbyist recommendation. How many times have we herd that a food item is unhealthy only to encounter a pr publication that touts great benefits from consumption.

Steve I believe you are correct the pendulum always swings bAck, the harder its pulled the further it swings in the opposite direction.

Ac You are absolutely correct I got a rifle when I was 16 never once thought about using it for more than hunting or target shooting, and i got to say i got to be a good marksman.

But I got to disagree with you on obamacare, first the money is in the system but instead of health care it is going into health insurance for a rinse job.

This is where Washington really failed us, instead of going to Washington to obstruct productive health care reform all had an opportunity to participate in figuring how to get the general populas covered at a reasonable cost.
Perhaps even proActive programs could have been developed.
But once again we get the spin obstruction from party loyal politicians.
As a civilized country we do a poor job on health care.
Our corporations cant keep up with the cost and it is causing job loss for sure.
All that had to be done was washington to function for the betterment of our country.

btc1
is also right we all have to take personal responsibility where ever we can. We have our selves collectively to blame.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:17:14 PM

Y, a very wise person told me this recently:

"All through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall."

-wink-

It -IS- a good thing to remember.

So is this any different? These irresponsible selfish people are being played by the tyrants. And the tyrants will get theirs in the end. Ya gotta hang on to that. And help it along if you can. And I think you do.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:27:05 PM

Yeah, there's a lot of irresponsible selfish ones out there. But don't write the nation off so quickly. Sure the situation could be better but that doesn't mean there are not a lot of people who do take responsibility and want to be generous.

I wonder if it is more a problem of apathy among the ones who are personally responsible. They are striving so hard to take care of themselves, play by the rules, do the right thing, that they don't feel they have the time to become informed and 'do the right thing' for the nation.
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