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AFSNCO

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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 10:29:11 AM

Here is a great example!

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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2013 11:16:17 AM

As long as America has an agenda to save the world the American taxpayer will be stuck with a growing pork bill. If my tax money is spent, I prefer it be spent in America.

Afs, good article but I am only mildly surprised at the pork. I can't help but wonder if you were as concerned about taxpayer money sent to Alabama after Katrina? Were you thinking about pork back then?
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2013 12:57:23 PM

fly, that video of Pelosi explains a lot. And to think...she influences a lot of the way the Democrats think. Scary....
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2013 12:45:04 PM

Maybe, in this case, the government didn't spend money (to comply with FOIA requests) when it should have:

Govt. Takes 11 Years to Respond to Records Request

It's kind of like "justice delayed is justice denied"

And eleven years takes us back solidly into the Bush years.....
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 8:39:46 AM

gocatgo said: >"the internet's a big place" and you could have given the same advice to my good friend Afs who posted the topic too.<

And exactly WHY would that be necessary? He started the topic, opening it for discussion. Cliffisher is the one who was critical of the link, but was too lazy to dig up anything to support his viewpoint. If you disagree with something, the "shoot the messenger" tactic that Cliffisher used just doesn't get a lot of traction here.
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Guitar_Man
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:25:36 PM

The only that that will stop this nonsense, unfortunately, is an economic catastrophe....like the US being under so much debt we can no longer pay the interest on it.

Then guess what happens? Our bonds will be worthless so we won't be able to keep printing money and something VERY bad quickly happens. We only have to look at Argentina in the 1980's who had something called hyper-inflation.

Here's a list of 10 hyperinflation horror stories. (I know missionaries who were in Argentina during those years and a loaf of bread was selling for, in American dollars, $100...they had 1,200% inflation.)

10 Hyperinflation Horror Stories
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 11:24:47 PM

holy cow, she doesn't have a clue, does she?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 10:14:42 PM

Pelosi: ‘Tax Cuts Are Spending’

Listen to her say that tax cuts are spending and you will understand why we are in the fix we are in now.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 8:21:41 PM

Yeah, I agree. The government is sucking our money in faster than any Hoover or Electrolux ever could. The question is, what are we going to do about it. Oh, and hey, libs - this means that we have to free our legislators to "go after" Obama and insist on fiscal discipline.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 9:29:43 AM

Former Lawmakers earmarks, keep "pet" projects alive

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A $410 billion bill that would keep the government running through September directs $227 million to pet projects for former lawmakers, including an ex-congressman facing corruption charges, a USA TODAY analysis shows.
The short-term budget, which Congress failed to complete last year and is now headed to a Senate vote this week, includes seven projects worth $1.2 million for Rick Renzi, a former Republican congressman indicted in 2008 on charges stemming from a land deal in Arizona. It also includes $1 million in projects requested by former senator Larry Craig, R-Idaho, arrested in 2007 as part of a sex sting.

"These projects have a life after political death," said Steve Ellis, vice president of the Taxpayers for Common Sense, which provided the data for the USA TODAY analysis. "The concern that we would have is that their constituents don't really have a way to hold them accountable anymore."

Some lawmakers, including Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., have pressed President Obama to veto the bill in part because it includes, according to the taxpayer group, $7.7 billion for legislative projects known as "earmarks." As a candidate, Obama pledged to change the earmark process and reduce spending on them.

Calling the bill "last year's business," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama would crack down on such spending in future budget bills. "The president will lay out some very clear objectives on how we move forward," Gibbs said.

There are 458 projects requested solely by former lawmakers, the analysis shows. Most were Republicans because the party suffered big losses in November. Among the Democrats: former representative Hilda Solis, Obama's Labor secretary, who was the sole sponsor of $2.5 million in projects.

Renzi requested $150,000 for the Pinal County Sheriff for drug enforcement and an additional $614,000 for road and bridge projects. His attorney could not be reached for comment.

Other former House members include Ralph Regula, an Ohio Republican who requested $7.9 million, including $475,000 for a bicycle trail. "There isn't one of those that I can't justify as having a very positive impact," Regula said.

House Appropriations Committee spokeswoman Kirstin Brost said that it would not make sense to pull money from a project from communities just because they have a new member of Congress. "If something was in the public interest a few months ago," she said, "there is no reason to believe it won't still be in the public interest today."

Orphan earmarks

The $410 billion budget bill now in the Senate includes at least 458 projects totaling nearly $227 million that were inserted into the bill at the sole request of former members of Congress. Here are the projects and their sponsors:

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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 9:27:49 AM

[L=http://www.speaker.gov/general/text deleted More Solyndras: New Bill Prevents More Failed ‘Stimulus’ Spending on Obama Administration’s Risky Pet Projects[/L]

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When Solyndra failed, the Obama administration left American taxpayers holding the bag to the tune of $535 million – and that’s just one of several pet projects funded under the ‘stimulus’ bill’s Section 1705 loan program that have failed to create jobs and cost Americans millions. An extensive investigation by the House Energy & Commerce Committee identified many failures of the loan program that not only allowed taxpayer dollars to be funneled to the administration’s pet projects - regardless of their viability – but also put the interests of taxpayers behind other financial backers. Based on the committee’s findings, Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI) and Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee Chairman Cliff Stearns (R-FL) this week introduced the No More Solyndra’s Act to address the shortcomings that led to the Solyndra disaster, and prevent taxpayers from covering more of the administration’s risky bets. Here’s how:

•Increasing Transparency and Accountability. According to the committee, the Solyndra investigation “unveiled a lack of transparency and a failure by DOE (Department of Energy) to follow its processes for reviewing applications and documenting its analysis and approvals.” The No More Solyndras Act increases transparency by requiring the Energy Department “to submit a report to Congress outlining its decision-making process for any new loan aid,” Reuters reports. The bill also requires the Treasury Department to review and make recommendations to the Energy Department, “and states that if DOE makes a guarantee that’s not consistent with Treasury’s recommendation, DOE officials must provide a report to Congress explaining why,” according to The Hill.

•Putting Taxpayers First. The No More Solyndras Act ensures “taxpayers can’t take a back seat to private investors in case of liquidation, which occurred as the Energy Department made a last-minute effort to save Solyndra,” says Bloomberg News. As Chairman Stearns puts it, the bill “puts American taxpayers first – something the Obama administration failed to do when it rushed to spend billions of dollars, no matter what the consequences.”

•Ending a Failed Program. “The Act will phase out the Energy Department loan guarantee program that gave us Solyndra and so many other green energy bankruptcies,” Human Events reports. “The No More Solyndras Act would bar DOE from granting loan guarantees to any company that filed its application after December 31st, 2011,” says the Washington Examiner, and increases transparency requirements for any new loan guarantees issued under the program.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Mar 9, 2013 9:25:07 AM

$60 Billion dollar Sandy bill is loaded with "PORK"

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On top of the $17 billion bill, Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ) offered another amendment that added $33.7 billion to the aid package. That measure passed 228-192, with 20 Republicans from unaffected areas voting for it. As Human Events notes, the Frelinghuysen amendment was loaded with superfluous spending, including “$500 million for weather forecasting and to help create an ocean zoning plan–the later one of Obama’s pet projects.
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Also included are $10 million for FBI salaries

$2 billion for road construction across the country,

as well as funding for the Head Start program,

roof repairs at the Smithsonian,

and $150 million for fisheries across the country.

”The third piece of the relief package involved a $9 billion bill passed earlier this month for the National Flood Insurance Program.



[Edited by: jdhelm at 3/9/2013 9:26:15 AM EST]
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2013 8:47:47 PM

Maybe its just the choice of words, I would of thought blows goes better with the topic than sucks.
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:52:14 PM

@tim --- theyve tried in the past.... its been ruled unconstitutional... They would need an amendment.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:30:47 PM

Giving the President the Line-Item Veto would solve much of this. He would have to justify EVERY expenditure that he did not veto from the bill, and then Congress would have to justify overriding the veto.

Eliminates the "I voted for the overall good of the bill" excuse for profligate and inappropriate spending.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 8:20:12 PM

Topic: Why our government sucks when it comes to spending money!

This is a misleading title for the topic. The government does not suck at spending money. In fact they are experts extraordinaire at it. I don’t think I could manage to spend 17 trillion dollars if you gave me five lifetimes to do it.

I think the people in Washington watched Brewster’s Millions and are trying to prove they could do it.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 8:02:50 PM

I am still amazed at two of our lefties attacking FoxNews and not even addressing the issue of adding pet projects to a bill that will help. It is a sad state of politics when they do this with our current fiscal issues as a way to bring money into their state....many of which were not even near the Sandy devastation.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:32:53 AM

i have a siser-in-law, her motto and constant declaration to her husband is:

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it's your job to earn the money - it's my job to spend it.

i wonder which political party she's registered with
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 12:41:23 PM

I heard about this story on Limbaugh's morning update. (Of course, hisown website has the content for members only.....$6.95/month) so a quick googlynews search produces this:

California School Districts Misspent Millions Of Cafeteria Money, State Senate Report Finds

California School Districts Misspent Millions: Ordered To Repay

"California school districts have misspent tens of millions of dollars intended to provide subsidized meals to low-income students, according to a state Senate report released Wednesday.
The California Department of Education recently ordered eight districts to repay about $170 million to programs that offer free and reduced-price lunches..."

"The U.S. Department of Agriculture provides more than $2 billion a year in meal subsidies to California, which provides an additional $145 million."

"These figures may only represent a small percentage of inappropriate spending, as the state does not have the resources to properly monitor over 3,000 school districts with cafeteria funds."

Did you get that last part? The government does not have enough monitors to track all the spending that the districts do with money provided from On High. The misspending could be much worse! Money (taxpayer money), intended for food for poor starving children, absconded and spent maybe on teacher and administrator salaries!
Talk about snatching food from the mouths of babes!

This little episode illustrates why spending should be provided for locally, and monitored locally. Conservatives have the answer - smaller government. You get big government and you get big problems.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 10:32:30 AM

cliff...I am generally upset with all of them for this. And it isn't that it "started" with Sandy but that we continually allow our government to do this! You lefties are the ones making it a right versus left thing. They are all equally guilty of this garbage.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 9:56:47 AM

Government only love PORK.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 11:59:07 AM

Cliff, "only a dem mentioned", I hope you are not inferring that faux noise is biased because our friends on the right won't buy that.

Jesk, "the internet's a big place" and you could have given the same advice to my good friend Afs who posted the topic too.
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jacka123
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 9:28:42 AM

The government loves to spend our money. We earn it, they spend it, that sucks.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 8:15:12 AM

Cliffisher said: "your news source, Faux Noise only listed a Democrat that slipped in a money request."

Well then...the internet's a big place. Why don't YOU find an article that names ALL the players involved, Democrat AND Republican? Does Fox have a lock on the information? What's the problem with CNN/CBS/NBC,etc. if they call themselves "news" organizations but aren't reporting on government waste and corruption?

Hop to it!
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 7:51:32 AM

"Are you unable to get upset cliffy unless you can finger point?'

No, but your news source, Faux Noise only listed a Democrat that slipped in a money request.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 6:38:09 PM

Simple - everyone contact their elected representatives and demand that any funding that is not directly related to Sandy rebuilding/relief should be stripped out of the bill.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 12/15/2012 6:39:25 PM EST]
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theTower
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 12:56:29 PM

"It would be helpful if the article attached ALL of the names of who requested ALL of the extras"

Why?
What difference would that make? Are you unable to get upset cliffy unless you can finger point?

"Afs, the "govt sucks" for the right when help goes directly to Americans in need."

What a load.



[Edited by: theTower at 12/15/2012 12:58:35 PM EST]
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rgpiccone
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 12:51:09 PM

I really hate it when the government operates in this way. The funding for Sandy relief should stand on its own, none of these extras thrown in!
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 12:25:15 PM

I'm with Cliff, who added the extras? So does anyone think this crappola started with Sandy relief? Both parties have been doing this for years.

Pan, "we're from the (American) govt and we're here to help you". But there are some exceptions for cons:
Military aid to friends and foes abroad.
Nation building projects around the world.
The American military taking up permanent residence in foreign nations.
Nasa, maybe one more moon landing to replenish our dwindling rock supply.
Tax incentives to Big oil making record profits.

Afs, the "govt sucks" for the right when help goes directly to Americans in need.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 12:20:36 PM

Boehner Defends Secret Expenditure To Defend DOMA


Asked about this after his press conference yesterday, the Tan Man was very annoyed that anyone would question the same elected official who's been publicly blathering about the White House "spending problem" about the half-million bucks the Republicans saw fit to appropriate for DOMA:

It has come to light that House Administration Committee Chairman Dan Lungren (R-CA) secretly approved a $500,000 increase to a contract with a private law firm to defend the unconstitutional Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in federal court.

While the increase was approved in September, neither the public nor the Democratic House minority was informed until this week, Roll Call reports.The contract now authorizes Bancroft PLLC and former Solicitor General Paul Clement (R) to spend up to $2 million in to defend DOMA — the second increase to what was originally a $1 million cap. The U.S. Department of Justice stopped defending the 1996 law in February 2011 after determining the law to be in conflict with the U.S. Constittuion.


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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 12:00:24 PM

It would be helpful if the article attached ALL of the names of who requested ALL of the extras.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 10:34:26 AM


...We're from the Government and we're here to help you...
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