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md11capt

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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 1:42:04 PM

When do we, as responsible citizens, start taking steps to stopping gun violence?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 7:17:14 PM

plastic - "Why don't we just make it legal for any law-abiding citizen to conceal carry? That would solve the 50% over night and reduce gun violence immediately."

I think that's more than a trifle optimistic. I'd much prefer a lot more training and education before going that far.

Way too many stupid people wandering around.
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plastic
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 4:22:46 PM

>"A: When more than 50% of us have concealed carry licenses.."

Why don't we just make it legal for any law-abiding citizen to conceal carry? That would solve the 50% over night and reduce gun violence immediately.
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greentre
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 4:16:04 PM

Instead of "When do we, as responsible citizens, start taking steps to stopping gun violence?"

How about "When do we, as humans, eliminate violence?"

There's a show about it.

That's the ONLY way.
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SUVFan
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 9:54:37 AM

Q: >When do we, as responsible citizens, start taking steps to stopping gun violence?<

A: When more than 50% of us have concealed carry licenses, we'll have taken a huge collective step.. "Gun free zone" is essentially an advertisement begging those with evil intent to express it there. Expanding concealed carry and eliminating gun free zones will go a long way toward stopping gun violence.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 9:48:02 AM

When we start enforcing gun crime laws that we already have, even if that means more whites or blacks or Asians or whatever end up in jail for committing a crime with a gun. Start with a mandatory 10-year federal no-probation sentence for any felon on probation caught with a gun and work your way from there.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 9:42:46 AM

When People start teaching their kids that there is no easy way in life. If you try then you are going to pay the price. Either with your life or prison time.
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kiatoindos
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 8:53:34 PM

Just pass a law banning murder and everything will be OK!
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: May 14, 2013 9:30:02 AM

Reason being.... We have a boat load of DUMBocrats in NJ.

Entrenched in their office & un-afraid of the public voting them out
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 1:21:12 PM

Once again Liberal lawmakers are caught saying they want to confiscate guns.
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>>>A hot mic at a May 9 New Jersey Senate Budget and Appropriations Committee hearing caught state senators mocking gun owners after the meeting ended.

The Senators had just finished discussing new gun control legislation when the hearing adjourned. Then a conversation that "appears to be among Sens. Loretta Weinberg (D37), Sandra Cunningham (D31), Linda Greenstein (D14)," and an unidentified member of a senatorial staff, took place. It began by mocking gun owners for fearing confiscation and ends by talking of how gun owners say they want to keep guns out of the hands of "the bad guys," yet they won't support any new restrictions to do it.

The first line of the conservation was, "We needed a bill that was going to confiscate."<<<

I wonder when enough people are going to actually believe what these people say - especially when they don't think anyone can hear them......
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 1:12:37 PM

Back to playing with 'gun violence'.
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>>>We need to understand that the motivation behind the gun grabbing campaign has always been more than just naked political calculation. Certainly, liberals think it will help motivate their base and maybe shore up the squishy suburban mom demographic for 2014, but this is really a campaign fueled by emotion.

That emotion is hate.

This isn’t about dead children. If saving kids was their real motivation, liberals would have long ago allowed the police to end the daily slaughter in Democrat-owned war zones like Chicago, Detroit and Washington, D.C. No, this campaign is driven by elitist hatred for regular Americans who refuse to bend to their will, who defiantly live life on their own terms, and who stubbornly resist accepting the moral supremacy of the urban liberals who would rule them.

They want to show us who is boss, to put us in our place, to take away the proud symbols of – and the tools that protect – our independence for one reason and one reason only. They want to show that they can. They want to demonstrate that what rights we have come not from our maker but from them, to be granted or withdrawn as they please.<<<

The topic is still about reducing the gun violence - maybe we should expand it to all violence against all people but before someone beats me up for going too far afield.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:43:02 PM

flyboyUT - "Sandy Hook was horrible - but what goes on in the so called "abortion clinics" is worse by orders of magnitude and it happens daily. The number of kids murdered on the streets of Chicago is nothing compared to the number of kids murdered by the abortion industry."

Except for a few aberrations, like Gosnell, no "kids" are murdered by abortion, only fetuses.

Your attitude on abortion is no more "logical" than the gun banners attitude on guns.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:38:01 PM

No RJ what I am saying is that killing children of any age is wrong and if one were logical they would look at reducing the largest cause of violent death in children first - abortion. Death by guns come in so far behind this major cause of child death that is doesn't even register on the logical persons radar.

Unless the person refuses to believe that children of all ages are important. But we have lots of that don't we - people refusing to think that children may wish to live rather than be flushed down the drain.

Sandy Hook was horrible - but what goes on in the so called "abortion clinics" is worse by orders of magnitude and it happens daily. The number of kids murdered on the streets of Chicago is nothing compared to the number of kids murdered by the abortion industry.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 12:32:20 PM

flyboyUT - "YOU saying a just born child or one that is half born is not a child is not the definitive answer."

Straw man. When you're talking about "the single largest source/cause of the death of innocent kids in America today", you're not talking about "a just born child or one that is half born". You're trying to make a first- or second-trimester fetus into a person, and promoting a rarity as the norm.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 9:37:44 AM

Topic: When do we start eliminating gun violence?

--Perhaps a better question would be: "When are we going to eliminate the stupidity and half-truths surrounding insinuations of INCREASING gun violence?"
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 9:25:51 AM

Anyone for talking about "gun violence"? Or just off-topic stuff?
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 6:22:08 AM

I highly doubt one person with a gun can kill 4 attacking pit bulls. A person would be lucky to get off one shot, possibly lucky to even get a gun out of a holster, before running dogs were upon him/her. Pit bulls can charge at you up to 40 mph. Unless a shot KILLS immediately, a charging dog is still coming at you.
Many times people with guns are taken down by ONE dog, part of the reason security, police, and military use dogs.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 11:27:02 PM

YOU saying a just born child or one that is half born is not a child is not the definitive answer. When you can define the real difference between a child born three weeks premature and a child aborted two weeks before the due date come talk to me. Abortion of a child is not choice unless killing other children at other ages is also a choice and accepted.

But some people are already saying that "4th trimester" abortions are just another choice.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 3:49:57 PM

flyboyUT - "Snipping the necks of newly born children is not supposed to be objected to because its the "choice" of the mother after all."

And just who is legally "Snipping the necks of newly born children", or saying that shouldn't be objected to?

"In the one area that kills the most kids it is not an accident - it is done on purpose and prettified up by calling it "choice"."

Except, of course, that fetuses are not "kids".

"When the people who are squealing about innocent deaths start looking at the single largest source/cause of the death of innocent kids in America today maybe - just maybe I will listen to anything else they say."

Why should they be any less hysterical about guns than you are about abortion?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 6:22:55 AM

And what was that point, runningmp?
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PegasusAT
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 1:04:55 AM

>>ldheinz, runningmp, so how are you going to ban fertilizer and kerosene? People need them for everyday life, for non-explosive purposes...<<

Obviously the point that was being made you missed.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 12:34:57 PM

When will the liberals stop tolerating this violence - that is 100% preventable.
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>>>A pack of up to four pit bull terriers has been blamed for the death of a jogger in rural Los Angeles, with officials warning on Thursday that the dogs remained on the loose.
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The woman died while she was in an ambulance on the way to a hospital, said Evelina Villa, county animal control spokeswoman.

The coroner's office was investigating to determine the cause of death.

Sheriff's officials were alerting people in the area to watch for four tan-coloured dogs and were were using a helicopter to search for them. It was unclear whether the dogs had collars or owners.

"In these areas you might have a situation where people dump animals out in rural areas," said John Mlynar, a spokesman for the nearby city of Palmdale. He haad never heard of an attack like Thursday's, Mlynar said.

Residents near the site of the attack said stray dogs were constantly roaming the area and had attacked people before. "It's really scary," Diane Huffman, of Littlerock, told KABC-TV. "I don't know what to think. I really think I'm going to be getting a gun to protect myself."<<<

GOLLLLLLLYEEEE people want to be able to protect themselves - what is this world coming to...
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 10:27:28 AM

Does it matter if its gun violence or forceps/scissors violence. The result is dead people. Snipping the necks of newly born children is not supposed to be objected to because its the "choice" of the mother after all. Well the Boston bombers made a choice and the mentally unstable kid who shot up the school made a choice and the people who knowingly allow themselves to drive distracted make choices.

All of these choices may result in death of innocents. The big difference is one method of "choice" involves guns. Those evil things that liberals just love to hate.

I find it hypocritical to continuously try to restrict the freedoms we have in just one area because people say they are just trying to save innocent lives. Yet they just never seem to look at any other method where careless use of objects results in innocent deaths. In the one area that kills the most kids it is not an accident - it is done on purpose and prettified up by calling it "choice".

When the people who are squealing about innocent deaths start looking at the single largest source/cause of the death of innocent kids in America today maybe - just maybe I will listen to anything else they say.

Until then what they are saying is just a transparent political ploy to deprive Americans of Rights enumerated in our founding documents. Now why they continually demand to deprive their fellow citizens of the free exercise of just the rights they don't like and ignore the massive bloodletting they encourage on the other hand I don't know. It is illogical.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 10:14:04 AM

Airfresh said: "But what about pressure cooker violence mr polyvinyl chloride?--Now wait a minute! I object. How do you know he's not "Mr. Nylon", or "Mr. Polyvinylacetate" or "Mr. Poymethylmethacrylate" or "Mr. Polycarbonate" or even "Mr. Polystyrene"?? Hmmm???
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 9:51:44 AM

runningmp, so how are you going to ban fertilizer and kerosene? People need them for everyday life, for non-explosive purposes. Powdered aluminum is less common, but it has valid industrial uses. How about bleach and aluminum foil? Are we going to outlaw those, too?

Oh, and jeskibuff, nobody performs abortions with firearms, so please try to stay on topic.

[Edited by: ldheinz at 5/11/2013 9:54:12 AM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: May 11, 2013 8:52:36 AM

flyboyUT said: "How many more millions/thousands/hundreds of murdered children will we tolerate?"

Twenty 6-year-olds are much cuter than a few million slimy, bloody babies when you show their pictures on the evening news broadcasts. You get more mileage out of the 20, especially when you have an agenda behind them and you really don't have any problem with discarding a few million fetuses.
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kiatoindos
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 8:10:02 PM

When the liberals have enough guts to go into the hood and tell the gang bangers to play nice
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PegasusAT
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 9:31:20 PM

“It is outrageous that anyone, even a known terrorist, can walk into a store in America and buy explosives without any questions asked,” said Senator Lautenberg. “If we are serious about public safety, we must put these common-sense safeguards in place. While the police have not revealed what specific explosive materials were used in Boston, what we do know is that explosive powder is too easy to anonymously purchase across the country.”

Current Law Allows "Black Powder" and Other Explosives To Be Purchased Without Any Checks

You wonder why people have a low approval rating of Congress? Here's a good reason. So does Sen. Lautenberg want to introduce legislation to institute background checks for those individuals purchasing gasoline? Gasoline can easily be purchased anonymously and made into a crude bomb.
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PegasusAT
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 9:27:48 PM

>>gocatgo, Without the background check legislation criminals and terrorists got a free pass and we can thank the Nra zealots in Congress for this one. ..<<

So are you blaming the NRA for the Boston Bombers? If so please provide a credible, non-biased source.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 10:32:49 AM

Why haven't the liberals banned T-shirts? Oh wait, they are trying.

By PAM RAMSEY Associated Press
CHARLESTON, W.Va. April 21, 2013 (AP)
A West Virginia student was charged with causing a disruption at a middle school when he refused to remove a T-shirt that displayed the National Rifle Association's logo and hunting rifle.


[Edited by: SE3.5 at 4/22/2013 10:33:36 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 9:35:17 PM

See Steve - there you go again - trying to think.

If some Christian extremists can advocate trashing the constitution to get rid of what they fear in the name of making it safe for us why cant we other folks trash that part of the constitution that allows these misguided warmongering religious extremists to continue on their ways?

Who are you really in more danger from Steve - some religious extremist trying to blow us up to force their ways on us or some religious extremist trying to take away your means to defend yourself from other dangers?



[Edited by: flyboyUT at 4/20/2013 9:37:59 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 10:55:10 PM

I thought the Christians wanted control of the government so they could legislate morality.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 10:52:25 PM

Well Plastic - just look at all the people that have been killed in the name of religion in the last couple thousand years. Its scary I tell ya.

France (Catholics) and England (Protestant) fought something called the hundred years war over which form of Christianity was supposed to be the best. Then we have the Crusades and the Islamist spread all over the place where they tried to take Europe. I tell ya those religionists need to all be classed as not sane enough to be allowed to practice their strange rituals that end up with starting wars.

Somebody tell Marty we are gonna change the Constitution so he wont be able to admit he is one of them card carrying religious nuts. All of them kind are gonna be locked up for their own protection. For sure none of them can be allowed to have a job where they might press their hate thinking on young impressionable minds.
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plastic
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 6:06:13 PM

I love it, flyboy; a bipartisan road to communism!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 5:56:48 PM

When are we going to start eliminating religious violence? If Marty is feeling good about advocating the removal of the 2nd amendment to get rid of the guns then we need to get rid of that pesky 1st amendment. We need to outlaw any religion that calls for violence. We need a blue ribbon committee to examine the religious texts and teachings of every single one of them things and if anywhere it advocates or tolerates violence then they need to be outlawed.

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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 4:27:36 PM

wHY HASN'T THE LIBERALS BANNED BOX CUTTERS?
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 3:35:50 PM

When the last woman on earth shoots her husband leaving her to be the last person on earth!
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plastic
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 12:38:50 PM

How come you two didn't mention box cutters?
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 12:31:57 PM

Wait a minute....what about back packs....?? No one should have a back pack bigger than a billfold.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 12:21:06 PM

We need immediate legislation to restrict the capacity of pressure cookers to under 1 quart. No one needs to cook more than that without reloading. Background checks should be started on all pressure cooker purchases. We need this legislation right away. We also need to limit nail purchases.
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plastic
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 11:56:51 AM

How about when we put aside our fears of political correctness and start being more vigilant, you know, like Zimmerman.
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 11:45:25 AM

But what about pressure cooker violence mr polyvinyl chloride?
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plastic
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 10:48:31 AM

>"As soon as everyone owns a gun."
Md11, I believe your question has been answered.
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 6:36:22 AM

As soon as everyone owns a gun.
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TJP48
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 5:45:15 AM

When they start reporting nut jobs info, and how about hoolyweird, O thats big Obama supporters!
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rwsb30
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 12:53:03 AM

Shoot em quick before they shoot you....Are you REALLY ready to kill someone at a moments notice?
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 10:45:13 PM

NEVER! Why strive for peace when violence can make you a lot of money?
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 4:15:49 PM

<<<When do we, as responsible citizens, start taking steps to stopping gun violence?>>>

When we start taking steps to stopping pressure cooker violence. After all if people didn't have such easy access to pressure cookers there might not be so many people hurt by them. I mean they are EVERYWHERE. Millions of them and you don't even need a back ground check.

And while we're at it.....

[Edited by: airfresh at 4/18/2013 4:17:46 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 2:44:56 PM

And Minnesota has a homicide rate comparable to Canada.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 2:28:14 PM

rj>>"As if passing another unenforceable law would get "criminals and terrorists" to obey the law."

See, rj gets it.

We can not legislate away criminal, terrorist, or nut job killing ....Can you see us asking them to get some mental health help... NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Working in an ER for many years gave me the chance to see, that just about any thing is used to kill people.

One method was called rugging...roll the person in a rug and beat them with a baseball bat. Method of choice.

When do we, as responsible citizens, start taking steps to end rugging and baseball bat violence?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 2:15:27 PM

gocatgo - "For many years the Nra cried, "guns don't kill, people kill", yeah right. Without the background check legislation criminals and terrorists got a free pass and we can thank the Nra zealots in Congress for this one."

As if passing another unenforceable law would get "criminals and terrorists" to obey the law.
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