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Michiganian

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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 10:28:06 AM

Politifact.com has named Mitt Romney the recipient of the Lie of The Year for his "Pants on Fire" statement that Chrysler will send jobs to China. That claim was clearly denounced by the MSM and Chrysler of which a Chrysler exec said the claim was full of (censored).
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 8:54:45 PM

Romney didn't really lie- he just changed what he said to fit his audience and crossed his toes.
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Michiganian
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 8:30:51 PM

Why do you think the deniers get ignored?
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 7:51:41 PM

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never once, did romney say that all jeep production would be moved to china, in any report I saw.
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Then what Romney says at 10:34 of this video will blow your mind.

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What was the exact quote from Romney?
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Check 10:34 of the video above as well. Right from the horse's mouth.
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 4:43:23 PM

The night before the election, Mitt Romney was very confident and told Ann his wife, "This time tomorrow night, you'll be sleeping with the President of the United States." After Mitt's concession speech, they headed to bed. Ann was getting undressed when she asked, "So how does this work? Is Barack coming over here, or am I supposed to go over there ?"
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 4:00:00 PM

Putting someone on ignore is for people that can't defend themselves with the facts.
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Michiganian
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 3:57:49 PM

Why do you think JD is on ignore? He can't see the truth even if it dropped down crushing him.
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 3:44:09 PM

never once, did romney say that all jeep production would be moved to china, in any report I saw. As far a jobs going over there, I'm betting when the whole story comes out, we find out that several jobs will go to china. probably more management then anything else, but still jobs.
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 3:14:22 PM

Paxman, "
Again, it's not shifting production there, OR moving it entirely there, two things the Romney campaign has said. Biggest. Lie. Of. The. Year."

What was the exact quote from Romney?

And the Biggest. Lie. Of. The. Year. is I will not raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000 a year. That wasn't true, was it?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 2:41:29 PM

So basically Mitt was right and Politifact was wrong.

>>The Romney camp ran an ad saying Chrysler was “going to build Jeeps in China.”<<

Politifact changed it to "all Jeep production was being moved to China.”

Another example of media bias. The title of this topic is also biased, misleading, and false.
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 2:14:45 PM

The Lie of the Year, still

Perhaps JD should read this article:

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Our story focused on the clear message of the Romney campaign’s ad, that jobs in the United States were being moved to China, or perhaps that Jeep was moving its entire operations to China. That is not the case and has never been the case.
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Again, it's not shifting production there, OR moving it entirely there, two things the Romney campaign has said. Biggest. Lie. Of. The. Year.
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 10:15:23 AM

Washington what?
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Michiganian
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 9:27:38 AM

Mitt Romney is STILL the biggest liar of 2012 as the Washington Post revisited their earlier "four Pinnochios" and reaffirmed it.
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 8:51:12 AM

Mitt who?
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Michiganian
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 6:33:23 AM

We will say this again. Jeep is ADDING PRODUCTION in China. Romney falsely claimed that Jeep would be SHIFTING PRODUCTION to China. Tbat is the reason for this thread which clearly states that Mitt Romney was the BIGGEST LIAR OF 2012.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 10:55:51 PM

perhaps you didn't read the article?

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On Friday, Politifact admitted that a political ad it dubbed “Lie of the Year” was in fact accurate – but the website still calls it “Lie of the Year.”

The brouhaha started when, during the final stages of the 2012 presidential campaign, the Romney camp ran an ad saying Chrysler was “going to build Jeeps in China.”

When Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchione said there were no plans to move Jeep’s production lines to China, everyone called the Romney ad a lie, prompting Politifact to refer to it as the “Lie of the Year.”

Marchionne reignited the dust up when he announced that some Jeep models would be built in China. I responded to that announcement by arguing that Marchione turned Politifact’s “Lie of the Year” into the lie of the year.

On Friday, Politifact responded to The Weekly Standard’s own report on the mischaracterization.

“Our story focused on the clear message of the Romney campaign’s ad, that jobs in the United States were being moved to China, or perhaps that Jeep was moving its entire operations to China,” Politifact told the Standard’s Mark Hemingway. “That is not the case and has never been the case.”

The clear message is contained within the ad’s words, that Chrysler was “going to build Jeeps in China” and nothing else. The ad didn’t say that jobs or production of any or all of the Jeep model line was moving to China. It’s dishonest for Politifact to read more into the ad than was there.

“The Romney campaign was crafty with its word choice,” Politifact said, “so campaign aides could claim to be speaking the literal truth, but the ad left a false impression that all Jeep production was being moved to China.”

The upshot is that although Politifact concedes that the Romney ad spoke the “literal truth,” it still refuses to remove its “Lie of the Year” designation.

On Friday, Politifact tweeted:

“Yes, it’s still the Lie of the Year. News reports on Jeep don’t change the deception: bit.ly/SWUxdc”

Deception? Politifact admitted to The Weekly Standard that the Romney team spoke “the literal truth,” and then tweets that the literal truth is deception. This is outrageous and shows more than anything where Politifact’s sympathies lie.

The Daily Caller’s Jim Treacher agrees. In response to Politifact’s tweet that “news reports of Jeep don’t change a thing,” he replied:

“Yes, actually, they do. You are liars. MT @politifact Yes, it’s still the Lie of the Year. News reports on Jeep don’t change the deception”

Treacher followed that tweet up with:

“You need to understand this, @politifact: You are liars. And we know you are liars. Your PolitiFacts are not, in fact, facts. Nice try.”

Then this:

“Hey, you know how @politifact say they’re ‘nonpartisan’? Yeah, that’s bulls**t. Their whole operation is bulls**t. And they know it.”

In the age of information overload, fact-checkers provide

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there ya go
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 7:31:03 PM

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"I saw a story today, that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,"
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That's what Romney said. ALL production moving. Let's see, JD. Can you find anything in your articles, or ANY article that says Jeep is moving ALL production to China? So far, they have said they will expand production there for sales there, but not take production from America. You right wing website shot out a big lie, didn't they?
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 11:20:51 AM

Busted: Politifact gets its ‘Lie of the Year’ wrong

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4 times

[Edited by: jdhelm at 1/22/2013 11:22:03 AM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 9:01:21 PM

The medical excise tax is 2.3%. For a $3600 purchase the tax would be $82.80, assuming the purchase was made is 2013.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/20/2013 9:01:57 PM EST]
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 8:47:44 PM

When was this brace purchased, and what was the total tax?
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 5:05:42 PM

Pax, my wife had to order a new brace for her leg, which is paralyzed. We have to replace this brace every two years, and they charged us ObamaCare tax on it. Would you be willing to come out to Phoenix and represent us at the prosthetic place and explain to them the ObamaCare law? The brace was $3,600, and the ObamaCare tax they charged us on this purchase was salt in the wound.
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 5:00:52 PM

Wow, EZ. The taxes I did point out were choices. That's not cherry picking the argument, it's responding to it.

Now, is the medical excise tax a tax on the individual? No?
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 4:50:51 PM

Are the taxes on medical devices such as prosthetics, wheel chairs, braces, hospital beds, oxygen equipment, etc. also an ObamaCare tax based on choices, Pax? I wish people would stop cherry picking their arguments.
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 4:24:17 PM

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Nickhammer, is Jeep building cars now in China or are they not?

If they are, who is the liar, the one that said they would or the one who is calling the one they said they would a liar?
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The real question is, did Jeep move all production to China? That's what Romney said on two occasions, very big lies as all they did was expand their production there for sales there.

And for those unaware, it would not be feasible for Jeep to expand production here for sale in China. The price they would have to charge in China would be too great.
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 4:18:54 PM

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And outside of ObamaCare, you are still wrong, he raised cigarette taxes and taxes on people that use tanning beds. Guess what! People that make less than $250,000 (while not all of them) smoke and use tanning beds, more so than those that make more than $250k.
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Um, those two taxes are on CHOICES. And also a part of Obamacare. So, yeah, I made the mistake of saying above instead of below. But not knowing those taxes are a part of Obamacare? I know the bill is long, but you should have read it all by now.
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Michiganian
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 3:38:13 PM

Of course, whoever gave those statments that Paxman356 quoted is long iggied at my end for being the brainless idiot that poster is.
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 2:06:24 PM

Paxman, "Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on those over $250k. Outside of Obamacare, that is still correct. He signed to permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for income under $400k. Again, you need to try harder here."

Oh, Paxman, see, you can't even get it right. Obama said he would not raise taxes, not ANY tax, one dime on those that make UNDER $250k, not over!

And outside of ObamaCare, you are still wrong, he raised cigarette taxes and taxes on people that use tanning beds. Guess what! People that make less than $250,000 (while not all of them) smoke and use tanning beds, more so than those that make more than $250k.

[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 1/20/2013 2:06:38 PM EST]
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 1:35:46 PM

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Obama promised he would never touch Amendment 2, Bill of Rights; he is now doing everything possible (including breaking the law) to do just that -- Obama is a liar.
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Obama (Jay Carney) said he was committed to the second amendment. And signing executive DECISIONS instead of executive ORDERS is not doing everything possible to "touch Amendment 2, Bill of Rights". You'll have to try harder on this one.

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Obama promised that he would never raise taxes; the SCOTUS has defined Obamacare as a tax, and it is the single largest tax increase Americans have ever suffered. Now, Obama wants to raise taxes to pay for his excessive spending. Obama is a liar.
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Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on those over $250k. Outside of Obamacare, that is still correct. He signed to permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for income under $400k. Again, you need to try harder here.

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Obama has made promises to cut red tape for hurricane Sandy victims, but many of them still have not been able to get through the red tape. Obama is a liar.
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Obama did not say HE was going to cut red tape, he told government agencies to cut the red tape. I'm sure he also worked with them to try and get that red tape cut. To say he did nothing without proof is a lie unto itself.

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Obama has promised to create jobs; the only jobs that have been created are low-wage service jobs. Meanwhile, Obamacare is causing job losses. Obama is a BIG liar.
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Well, the low lying fruit here is that Obamacare will cause job losses. A bill that increases the use of healthcare would in turn cause an increase in healthcare jobs. That is fact. There will be some job losses in the service industry due to the bill, however.

So, while recent job increases were service jobs 3/5, we also lost higher paying jobs 3/5 at the very beginning of Obama's term due to the loss in government jobs, jobs that have not come back. Who is responsible for that?

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Looks a lot like OBAMA is the BIGGEST LIAR of 2012, and will be the biggest LIAR of 2013 as well!
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Only in dreamland.
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 1:28:39 PM

hard to beleive unless obama was the judge

[Edited by: daylily2009 at 1/20/2013 1:28:56 PM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 1:18:59 PM

florida, welcome to the club. And the promise about health insurance was that premiums would go down.

Nickhammer, is Jeep building cars now in China or are they not?

If they are, who is the liar, the one that said they would or the one who is calling the one they said they would a liar?

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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:21:35 PM

LMAO . . . Let's just take a look at that statement:

Obama promised he would never touch Amendment 2, Bill of Rights; he is now doing everything possible (including breaking the law) to do just that -- Obama is a liar.

Obama promised that he would never raise taxes; the SCOTUS has defined Obamacare as a tax, and it is the single largest tax increase Americans have ever suffered. Now, Obama wants to raise taxes to pay for his excessive spending. Obama is a liar.

Obama has made promises to cut red tape for hurricane Sandy victims, but many of them still have not been able to get through the red tape. Obama is a liar.

Obama has promised to create jobs; the only jobs that have been created are low-wage service jobs. Meanwhile, Obamacare is causing job losses. Obama is a BIG liar.

Looks a lot like OBAMA is the BIGGEST LIAR of 2012, and will be the biggest LIAR of 2013 as well!

[Edited by: RAB2010 at 1/20/2013 12:21:51 PM EST]
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 10:14:20 AM

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Upon further examination, Whoops: PolitiFact's 'Lie of the Year' Turns Out to Be True
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Except even the article admits a mistake:

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UPDATE: Several people have written in to object on the grounds that when the Romney campaign first started making the accusation against Jeep, Mitt Romney said the following in a stump speech, which does muddy the waters a bit:

I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep -- now owned by the Italians -- is thinking of moving all production to China. I will fight for every good job in America.

Emphasis added. Obviously, when it's framed that way it's not true.
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Oops!
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 3:43:39 AM

compiled list of lies by a president
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jdhelm
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wiki answers as to which president has told the most lies
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:06:41 AM

Upon further examination, Whoops: PolitiFact's 'Lie of the Year' Turns Out to Be True

First, misquote someone, then attack them for saying what what you claim he said. Until the tale of the tape exposes you for the partisan hack fool that PolitiFact is.

" So in the end, PolitiFact's beef with the Romney ad was an entirely argumentative disagreement about what course of action Jeep should take, not a factual objection to Romney's true statement that Jeep was going to start building cars in China. However, disagreeing about the implications of manufacturing Jeeps in China doesn't justify calling Romney a liar for accurately stating Jeeps would be manufactured in China."

Michiganian = FAIL for having biased, unsubstantiated sources!
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Michiganian
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:03:06 AM

Florida1541 has officially joined the brainless ignored.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 7:40:33 AM

NickHammer: "Funny how someone who posts lie after lie after lie calls others liars, and of course lies about that, as well."

It's actually sad that you think that anyone who disagrees with you is a liar. You've never shown that *anything* I've said is a lie. All you've ever done is spin your liberal claptrap. Unfortunately, to you "truth" is only something that passes your lefty smell test. To most of us, that "truth" is better known as a "tall tale".
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 11:46:27 PM

>>I would have expected no less from that bunch of liars.<<

Funny how someone who posts lie after lie after lie calls others liars, and of course lies about that, as well.

>>its over move on hammer...(barely intelligible typing)<<

Hey, florida, we're talking about Romney and his big Lie (as opposed to all his others) after he was told by pretty much every source in America that he had already lied about the same thing just days before. Try to keep up.

Why do you righties have such a hard time differentiating fact from opinion?
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its over move on hammer you forgot to mention what bush did we all know that everything is always someone else fault you insurance won,t go up one penny , this adminasration will be the most transparent , you have topass it to know whats in it , unemployment will not go above 8 percsent, it was the vedio . you can keep your doctor ,
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NickHammer: "Of course, that would fly in the face of any of your previous remarks regarding PolitiFact..."

Hardly. Didn't you understand how I used the word "even"? I didn't think so.

The rest......now, that's par for the course for PolitiFact. I would have expected no less from that bunch of liars.

So, how *does* Romney's very minor mistake rise to the level of "Lie of the Year",when we have a President who lies about things like Benghazi, the Arab spring, best friend of Israel, etc. that cost lives and undermine long-standing allies?
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 3:27:32 PM

>>Even PolitiFact caught Obama in more lies than Romney, 127 to 84.<<

Of course, that would fly in the face of any of your previous remarks regarding PolitiFact, but as I'm sure you know, those purposefully misleading numbers don't show that PolitiFact rated 453 statements by Obama and only 202 statements by Romney's, so Obama's "lies" were only 28% of his total while Romney's were 42% of his. And Romney told "Pants On Fire" lies at 6 times the rate of Obama.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 3:17:11 PM

Really Michiganian? What about the lie that you can keep your own doctor under ObamaCare? What about the Benghazi lies? What about the lies regarding Iran and the sanctions? We have the lies about Fast and Furious, not to mention the lies about the economy.
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NickHammer: "So, why was Romney's campaign ad the Lie of the Year? Because......"

......PolitiFact said so. That's all there is to it. Obama told far more lies that had greater consequence than that one (e.g., the Benghazi cover-up.) Even PolitiFact caught Obama in more lies than Romney, 127 to 84.
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What is obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD)?

Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder characterized by uncontrollable, unwanted thoughts and repetitive, ritualized behaviors you feel compelled to perform. If you have OCD, you probably recognize that your obsessive thoughts and compulsive behaviors are irrational, like denigrating a politician that ran for office and lost a month and a half ago – but even so, you feel unable to resist these urges and break free.

Like a needle getting stuck on an old record, obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) causes the brain to get stuck on a particular thought or urge. For example, you may post irrelevant rantings, check the stove twenty times to make sure it’s really turned off, wash your hands until they’re scrubbed raw, or drive around for hours to make sure that the bump you heard while driving wasn’t a person you ran over.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 10:01:40 AM

From Merriam-Webster:
Lie - "2 : to create a false or misleading impression"

So, why was Romney's campaign ad the Lie of the Year? Because not only did Romney supposedly "misinterpret" the Bloomberg article (coincidentally the exact same way the Washington Examiner "misinterpreted" it) in his speech in Defiance, OH, despite the article clearly stating, "Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China"; not only did Romney make his speech AFTER Chrysler's spokesman debunked that claim ("Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China."); but even after story upon story upon story upon story said it was not true, he STILL went ahead and put out a misleading ad implying the same thing.

Now, if you're a habitual liar, a big-time right-wing apologist, someone whose reading comprehension level is below that of a 3rd grader, and/or someone who can't read a dictionary, I wouldn't expect you to understand why Politifact, FactCheck.org, New York Times, Time, National Journal, Cleveland Plain Dealer described the ad using phrases such as "lie", "distorts facts", "falsely claimed", "flat wrong", "misleading impression", "unequivocally misleading", "wrongly implies", "erroneous perception", "masterpiece of misdirection".

But for the rest of us, it's pretty obvious.



[Edited by: NickHammer at 12/17/2012 10:04:49 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 3:28:01 PM

and Obama is the biggest liar of a President.
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NickHammer: "Fine, since you need to have your idiocy explained to you..."

I'd be ashamed of such a weak argument. Cherry-picking bits and pieces to back up your "opinion" is hardly an argument. Apparently, you will do anything to prop up your left-wing organs; the sources for all your bile. Actually, the sources for all your liberal "idiocy".

Here's another "review" of Politifact bias for you to chew on.

And another.

And another.

And another.

I can do this all day. Politifact has absolutely no credibility.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 6:40:28 AM

That's why the ignored are ignored because they have no brains to think for themselves and regard false biased opinions as facts. Remember that Politifact.com is an arm of the Tampa Bay Times newspaper and won the Pulitzer Prize.
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Nobody can outlie obumer.
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>>Really?!? In what sense? Apparently, anything that demonstrates your extreme bias and the lack of depth in your thinking is now "insanely idiotic"? Please continue......<<

Fine, since you need to have your idiocy explained to you...

>>Surely, your extreme bias invalidates your opinion. I see a website that does a fairly good job using references and facts to discredit Politifact.<<

You obviously are so blinded by your skewed right-wingedness that you are completely unable to differentiate between opinion and fact (quite a common trait of right-wingers everywhere).

You project your own extreme bias (remember your lie "Politifact.com is an arm of the DNC") on me, then state your *opinion* about the right-wing website "using references and facts", when, in fact, they referenced an anonymous blogger, themselves, another right-wing group, and (in their best turbosaab imitation) a link to Forbes that did not say what they claimed it did. As for facts, there are none - they use absolutely no facts at all "to discredit Politifact".

>>Unlike your *opinion*, they have a strong basis for their claims.<<

Again, you are unable to tell the difference between opinion and fact (do you see a pattern here?). "They have a strong basis for their claims" is simply YOUR OPINION - and it's not even true. Their 3rd sentence ("PolitiFact's Angie Drobnic Holan opens the announcement with a falsehood:") - the basis for their hit-job - is a complete lie. They call it "sneaky" (ooh - is that one of their "facts"?) but never show that what she wrote was false. Instead, they ignore all other credible fact-checking sources which said essentially the same thing as Politifact regarding Romney's xenophobic, dishonest, and misleading ad and claim that well, "the facts were correct". But most of the ad is opinions and claims, it ironically references Politifact, touts his endorsement from the Detroit News (who mentioned "his wrong-headedness on the auto bailout"), and the facts are correct only in the same way the facts are correct in this sentence - "Ryan Succop missed a chip-shot field goal and the Kansas City Chiefs lost to the Cleveland Browns." But I seriously doubt you'll be able to understand why that's misleading.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 7:51:39 PM

NickHammer: "What you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read."

Really?!? In what sense? Apparently, anything that demonstrates your extreme bias and the lack of depth in your thinking is now "insanely idiotic"? Please continue......
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