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I75at7AM

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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 10:30:27 AM

Sen. Jim DeMint to Head Heritage Foundation

Perhaps another four years of gridlock is just to much to bear for a person with higher standards than that. Not taking care of the nation's business has it's price........
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 1:22:34 PM

"LOL"

Passer, yes, I agree... and I had to respond to your comments as well...

LOL
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 10:02:00 AM

"You were not so concerned about staying on topic back then, were thee.."

I had to reply to other comments to make my point, reb4, even if they were off-topic. But since I, unlike many Conservatives and Reactionaries, don't believe Obama is "king" and spend most of my time looking for royal mistakes, I still try to keep the Conservative's King out of as many topics where he is off-topic as possible.

As opposed to "The Royal Opposition"!

LOL!!!!





[Edited by: Passer at 1/21/2013 10:02:55 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 7:59:55 PM

"Sorry, I was trying to stay on-topic. This is about Jim DeMint."Passer, did you not post this earlier in these posts (I just stayed on this page)...

"Dec 9, 2012 12:41:3 Passer

Palin IS above all a quitter
"Dec 9, 2012 1:11:39 PM Passer

No. ANYONE, including Palin, would only be criticized for accepting a promotion (running for higher office) by bitter partisans on the other side."

You were not so concerned about staying on topic back then, were thee..
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 6:42:38 PM

"Passer, so your omission to the true context of my posting leads me to believe..."

reb4,

Sorry, I was trying to stay on-topic. This is about Jim DeMint. Everything isn't about Obama, as much as Conservatives would like. Sometimes I wonder if the Conservative charge that Obama is King, etc. applies more to Conservatives than it does to Liberals. The former seem to be able to think of nothing else but "their king"? and point out all his faults and never getting to themselves and the larger point as to why they are losers? Self examination is not a Republican strength and it is my opinion, until they get better at it, they will continue to be losers. The point is not Obama's faults (he is not king as much as you may think) but their own!
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:27:49 PM

Is he fibbing here?
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But then there is this minor little problem....
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>>>MR. RUSSERT: There’s been enormous speculation about your political future, Senator. The man you succeeded in the Senate, Peter Fitzgerald, a Republican, said this recently. “I think there’s a very good chance that Senator Obama is on the Democratic ticket in 2008 as the vice presidential nominee.” Do you agree?

SEN. OBAMA: No. You know, I can’t speculate on those kinds of things. What I have said is that, you know, I’m not focused on running for higher office, I’m focused on doing the job that the people of Illinois just sent me to do.

MR. RUSSERT: But there seems to be an evolution in your thinking. This is what you told the Chicago Tribune last month: “Have you ruled out running for another office before your term is up?” Obama answer: “It’s not something I anticipate doing.” But when we talked back in November of ‘04 after your election I said, “There’s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?” Obama: “Absolutely.”

SEN. OBAMA: I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.

MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?

SEN. OBAMA: I will not.<<<

Now based on his past '''just flat out lies''' - who you gonna trust? When a man looks the public in the face and lies to them I never trust them again on anything. That is independent of party.

Kind of like this type lie. Cannot be forgotten. The man has show he has no honor and will receive no trust from me again.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:09:32 PM

Gocat - you do me an injustice - I am not far right at all. I have gone way the heck past that. Even them 'extreme' righwingers look pretty liberal to me. Smiling a bunch----

What strike me is still the different standards for the two people. Obama made a flat promise - in public and one the record that he would finish his first term. He kind of didnt do what he said he would do. Now most folks would take unmbrage at that.

Yet DeMint who did successfully complete more than one term in both the House and Senate and choses to leave his second term in the Senate for something else and the proggies go wonkers over it? In your opinion is the same standard being used? Politics aside (I know thats an oxymoron but lets try) are we judging folks by the same rules?
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:01:13 PM

Fly, still Obama is an elected official. DeMint's promotion to influence peddler could be seen differently. Cons certainly had little to say about Palin quitting so why should DeMint fare any different. "The first guy walks on water", those are your words on this topic. "No bias here", thanks for the laugh but we both know you rarely stray from the far right.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:10:27 AM

Passer, so your omission to the true context of my posting leads me to believe that you have no arguement Obama flat out LIED, oh, excuse me, misunderstood what he meant to say... to the people of Illinois and the people of the Country when he said he would serve as senator for which he was elected...

In Reality he only served full time a little over a year... since much of his energy and time were spent campaigning.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:39:42 AM

"One would suspect he made the decision prior to the announcement."

ONLY a Republican would and naturally so, since they now have such a huge axe to grind. What else do they have to do, soil, oops I mean soul search and look inward at themselves when it is so easy to blame the winners for the fact that they are losers? No, that's one "search" that will never be done (at least until its too late).

No, losers look for excuses elsewhere, always have and always will.

He did not make the decision prior to the announcement since Democrats don't have the mystical powers Republicans assume they have (like Hillary spontaneously creating a blood clot so she would not have to testify on the exact date the GOP wanted her to, or Obama knowing the future as exactly as some axe grinding losers may assume).




[Edited by: Passer at 1/17/2013 12:41:34 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:14:10 PM

Passer.... sigh.... lets look at what Obama said to his constituents of Illinois... on many occasions including on a national televised interview:Obama 'promised' to be the senator for Illinois... He actively broke that promise... Seanator Obama went on National Television show "Meet the press" in 2005 and promised citizens of Illinois he would serve his full term that he was elected to in November 2004.

"SEN. OBAMA: I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.

MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?

SEN. OBAMA: I will not."

link to transcript...

so Obama took office in 2005, said in an interview on National Television that he was NOT going to seek to run for any office on January 2006, and then announced his plans to run for office in February 10, 2007. One would suspect he made the decision prior to the announcement.

Sigh... Passer, at least this was an easy post, since it's only slightly modified the last time we discussed this...

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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 6:30:14 PM

Ok so one fella who promised to finish his term quit to take what he felt was a better job. That is fine with some.

The other fella served how many terms now? He served three terms as a US Rep, then a term and 3/4 or more as a US Senator. He quit the last bit of his second term as Senator to accept what he thinks is a better job. That is not ok with some.

The first guy walks on water to some and blows out Pixie dust on everyone or so some think.

The second guy is a dirty low down baddie fo the first caliber.

No - no bias here - just move along folks.
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 5:26:47 PM

"So how does Obama sit in your book???"

Comfortably in the Oval Office in the position of being the most powerful person in the world. There is no doubt by anyone living that he got a promotion.

DeMint, on the other scam, I mean hand, sadly got a "promotion" only in Reactionary terms where those who don't believe so strongly in Democracy "think" that membership in the Heritage Foundation is superior to membership in the US Senate.

Not too unlike the structure of the old Soviet Union, where membership in the Party was considered superior to that even in the Supreme Soviet. Perhaps, one day, if Reactionaries get their way, in order to become a US Senator, you must first be a member of the Heritage Foundation?

But that is not to take away anything from DeMint.

He proved his point and unlike Palin, he is no quitter.





[Edited by: Passer at 1/16/2013 5:27:52 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 4:44:52 PM

Reb, Jim was my Senator. He got my attention on his stand against illegal aliens and I mostly agreed with him. As a tea party man and Norquist stooge. I have a problem with those issues. Few issues are black and white. There is much to be said for meeting in the middle and his hands were always tied. Obama has a big job to do in his 2nd term. I am looking for many program cuts with few Golden Cows. "No promise from Jim DeMint" his oath of office is specific enough for me. He left before the job was done.

(Going off topic) Gov Sanford is getting ready to run for Congress. I'd rather see him run to the airport and catch the next flight to Argentina. His wife and state deserved better than they got especially when you look at his sanctimonious criticism of Bubba Bill. If I can forgive Bill I'm sure I can forgive Mark.
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 1:28:04 PM

"reb, "no more men like him in the senate" to quit before their term is up. Being a quitter is nothing to brag about in my book."

Gocatgo, I'm assuming you re-typed this instead of cut and paste...

But I am still more impressed by men like DeMint, and had there been such a flurry of conversations from righ and left, I would not have bothered to read up about the man. And let me remind you that our current president quit his post to take the President, which hadn't been a proplem had he not specifically and repeatedly publically say he would not leave his seat in Senate. So how does Obama sit in your book???

By the way, I heard of no specific promise by Senator DeMint...
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 11:23:01 AM

reb, "no more men like him in the senate" to quit before their term is up. Being a quitter is nothing to brag about in my book.

Afs, "the bottom feeding 40%", these are the terms cons use to send more voters to the dnc. Is it any wonder the gop is referred to as the party of the wealthy that are out of touch with America. Jim now joins fellow con Sarah Palin in her bid to make more money instead of doing the job she was elected to do.

If being a quitter is a sign of strength maybe more gutless wealth driven politicians will quit.
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:44:14 AM

Former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford launched his political comeback Wednesday, announcing his candidacy for the state's vacant congressional seat created after their senate vacancy was filled. This politician doesn't deserve the public's trust again.
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 5:14:49 PM

"And despite your characterization of Heritage as "reactionary" and a "stink tank" quite the opposite is true. These are real academics trying do research on the most critical issues of the day."

Because they are researching from a conservative point of view it has to be reactionary and stinky. Try to keep up I75.

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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 5:03:51 PM

I too find it sad that a valued member of the Senate decided to move on to more productive pastures. That last four years must have been miserable. It certainly was miserable for the country. Except for the Scott Brown election thing, there has been near total gridlock in the Senate.
Among other sessions of Congress, that last Senate is a laughingstock, only nobody is really laughing.
I don't blame DeMint for wanting to use his knowledge and skills for some useful purpose.

And despite your characterization of Heritage as "reactionary" and a "stink tank" quite the opposite is true. These are real academics trying do research on the most critical issues of the day.
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 4:02:52 PM

I75,

DeMint is no "straw man" it is the posters here who talk about everything else other than the main point -- and it IS the main point: that I agree it is a "promotion" from a GOP point of view. And that is what is sad, because it is my opinion that the current GOP puts the Heritage Foundation on a higher level than the US Senate. And if that's the case then it is a sad commentary on Democracy -- but I believe, that is way over the heads of Reactionaries, if not Conservatives (the more noble Republicans).
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 3:35:01 PM

Passer, you missed the point about DeMint a long long time ago.

He's no straw man. There is no knocking him down.
Whether a move from the US Senate to the private Heritage Foundation is "promotion" or whatnot is beside the point, which you don't have. He decided to make a change in his life so he can make a change in the nation's life. It must have been a huge decision to give up a Senate seat.
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 2:58:38 PM

The point hasn't changed, and bringing up all the straw-men doesn't alter the fact that the Republicans don't want to admit:

Being in the political (S)t(h)ink tank, the Reactionary Heritage Foundation, is, to Republicans, more important and a promotion from being in the lowly United States Senate (where there can be inferiors who don't "think" like you). Of course, being a true Capitalist, making more money for a Republican, is all that matters and representing South Carolina can be handed over to someone not so smart and one willing to take less money.

Here's Tea in you Aye!

(Sorry to light the match)
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 2:58:25 PM

"DeMint will enjoy this move up as a millionaire influence peddler in DC politics."

Do all liberals hate everyone that makes more money than them?
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 2:17:46 PM

Isn't it interesting that the top 1% pay 22.3% of the federal taxes collected and earn 13.3% of the income....yet the bottom feeding 40% collected 14.9% of the income and paid only 4.1% of the taxes? What is that about fair share again?
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 1:57:07 PM

Yes, went from 65K net worth to .... more...

Yes, gocatgo, Jim Demint's networth will definitely improve, I really didn't know much about the man until this link. I am more impressed by him the more I read. It's unfortunate that there are not more men like him in the senate.
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 10:49:57 AM

DeMint will enjoy this move up as a millionaire influence peddler in DC politics.
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 10:22:10 AM

Why Thank you I75at7AM, bringing these lists to our attention is much appreciated...

I Like the bloomberg 16 oz soft drink ban..., though it's encouraging to see the ones ahead of that.

Keep up the good work of keeping this in the forefront, I commend you for your keen interest in the carreer of Senator Jim DeMint..
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 9:59:42 AM

DeMint is stepping into the Heritage Foundation, which has collected up their
Top Ten Charts of 2012
While at heritage, DeMint can reflect on how he may have contributed to
The 10 Worst Regulations of 2012. Of course, most of those are Administrative laws, promulgated by various letter agencies.
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 5:25:35 PM

OK reb4, it may or may not be "trivial". That is a reasonable opinion. But the point I made was that, in my opinion, DeMint is not "a quitter". The only reason he would resign from the US Senate for a position in a GOP Think Tank, would be if he thought he was taking a higher position or being promoted.

Again, my point (and my unanswered question was) do most Republicans think he got a promotion, also?

By not answering, the answer is a resounding, "Yes"!

(And my implication is that the GOP is starting to give up on Democracy, whether due to "unfortunate future demographics" or what have you is something they will have to answer -- with a real answer this time or they will go down in history as the 2nd time America flipped its "Whigs" ie. just a similar memory.) If that's what happens, that might be just as trivial <G>.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 8:36:57 AM

Passer, again worrying about the trivial, imo...
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 8:28:19 AM

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley appoints Rep. Tim Scott to the empty Senate seat.

"Scott’s new Senate seat will be up for a special election in 2014, when the final two years of DeMint’s term will be at stake, and in 2016, when a full six-year Senate term will be up. It remains quite possible that he could face primary opposition."
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 8:44:48 PM

Having not seen the reply as I had not notice the thread had been posted in since the 10th.

Teacher Tim has the answer, you should listen.

And I always hear more thinking that make sense from Heritage than I ever hear from this Administration.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 5:48:03 PM

DeMint has stated that he feels he can do more with the HF than as a single senator. Not having been either, I can't argue with his logic.

Gov. Nikki Haley appointed Tim Scott to replace DeMint, making him the first black senator from SC, and only the 7thblack senator. He will run for [re]election in 2014.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 4:24:18 PM

reb4,

I waited a week, and when the Reactionaries were afraid to answer, I helped them out.

Of course they have every opportunity to correct me as they usually do so with glee.

Your point was only that I answered the question, while my point was the question itself. That is the difference between "Liberals" and Reactionaries: the former concentrates on questions and answers while the latter make a fuss and carry on about style and rarely understand the point.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 4:03:16 PM

Gee Passer, so typical of an over the top liberal beating on an issue that is really of no interest to anyone in real life... you ask a question and then answer it... bravo
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 1:01:50 PM

Since you are too embarrassed to reply, the truthful answer is,

"yes".

Perhaps the GOP has seen the Writing on the Demographics and given up on Democracy and will henceforth like Dement, put all their efforts in NGO's and Reactionary groups like the HF?
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 7:55:20 PM

I see you like to quote an over the top statement from the MSM when it suits you I75. Unlike at Fox where Reactionaries must follow the party line almost as well as the Communists used to, the same is not true with other stations where people are free to make up their own minds.

Obama ran for Higher Office and that is a fact no matter how much you wish to Fox it.

The question for you is:

Is the Heritage Foundation and the position DeMint will have considered by you and other Conservatives, as superior to being a US Senator?

No Fox excuses or Hannity Homi-lies, yes or no?
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 7:04:58 PM

Perhaps DeMint will hire Allen West and Michelle Bachman to help him run the Heritage Foundation (further into the ground).


[Edited by: Hiram 615 at 12/10/2012 7:07:08 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 4:43:26 PM

Okay, Passer, we can string this thread along as long as you like.
If DeMint resigned to take a "higher office" then what did Obama do?
For Obama, Presidency Is a 'Step Down'
"Moran gushed, "I like to say that, in some ways, Barack Obama is the first President since George Washington to be taking a step down into the Oval Office."
175 days in the US Senate, after an inglorious stint as a state legislator, he was ready for a step down, I suppose.
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 4:28:42 PM

"But the precedent is there. Look at all the Senators who resigned to run for higher office..."

So it is agreed among Republicans that the Heritage Foundation is a "Higher Office" than the U.S. Senate.

If it is so agreed, then I will agree that DeMint is no Sarah Palin (ie quitter).
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"How much will the seat sell for?"

Is it Chicago?
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:34:54 AM

Cliffsher - I'm not aware that Obama actually introduced ANY bills into the senate in his, what? 175 days sitting as Senator?

Jayrad1957 said of Palin: "The funny part is how people like you worship her."

-- Now, understand, I do not worship Palin. I found her an odd choice for VP, truth be told. However, she was in many ways a breath of fresh air. She wasn't polished, and she spoke her mind in plain language. I liked that. Nothing wrong with it. I will say that she didn't have a great way with handling the press. She obviously never should have claimed foreign policy experience. I think Americans and the Press would have forgiven her for simply saying: "I'm a governor. As governor I have administrative experience. The most I do is interact a bit with other Canadian provincial governors on matters, but that's not significant experience in that realm."
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:20:28 AM

Inquiring minds want to know.

What bills did the Senator introduce and how many passed?

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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:11:01 AM

I get the impression that DeMint didn't want to waste another four years of his life in Harry Reid's torture chamber, whiling away the days accomplishing nothing while the nation slithers down the drain.

As for resigning mid-term, I am generally against it. But the precedent is there. Look at all the Senators who resigned to run for higher office.
Bob Dole.
Any others? OH, yeah, Barack and Hillary. They just held onto their seats while being absent from their Senate duties for a couple of years, collecting salary and benefits, just in case they didn't win the Presidency (one did, the other went to work for him). Resigned only after the election was won. And McCain. He lost. He's still in the Senate. And John Kerry.

At least George W Bush and Mitt Romney (and most other Republican candidates for 2012) ran for the presidency while free of other obligations.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 12/10/2012 11:11:37 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:56:40 AM

Passer,

I am not naive.

Obama has proven time and again that he can lie with the best of them.And he has proven that many people do not care as long as their agenda is pushed forward.

As for DeMint he has given his reason for leaving. let it lie or keep seeing the Obama example used in more places...
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 6:59:36 PM

Reb4,

If you think you can hold any politician (of any party) to them claiming "I will not run for higher office" you are quite naive about politics.

However, the one act that is political suicide and that can't be forgiven is being a quitter.

Now, I won't go so far as claiming DeMint is a quitter as he believes he is going for a Higher Office. Being on the board of an organization like the Heritage Foundation, has much more Republican respect than merely being a Senator and having High Office in an area where the people of his State elected him (as he probably got far too many votes from many who Republicans would not even consider, "real Americans"). No, DeMint is NOT a quitter, he is among the GOP Upper Crust and knows where his bread is buttered. Doing The People's Business is something he has done for far too long and that bread has gotten quite moldy, not too much IMHO, unlike him.





[Edited by: Passer at 12/9/2012 7:02:58 PM EST]
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"The funny part is how people like you worship her."

Jayrad, actually you were the one that introduced her into the thread, to falsely compare her to obama, who has been proven in transcripts that he promised to not run for higher office but refused. And you tried to introduce Palin.

As for people like me "worshipping" her... please show a post that shows that. I would say you would have a very hard time finding one of me worshipping her.

Passer, you fail to comprehend that Obama said in an interview he would not run for a higher office. And specifically asked if he would rund for President or Vice President. Yet 2 years later Senator broke his trust to the people of Illinois be breaking his promise and running for a higher office.

ANd by the way, here is the words from the transcript again. I have a feeling you two just want to ignore this chapter of Obama's past...

"MR. RUSSERT: But there seems to be an evolution in your thinking. This is what you told the Chicago Tribune last month: “Have you ruled out running for another office before your term is up?” Obama answer: “It’s not something I anticipate doing.” But when we talked back in November of ‘04 after your election I said, “There’s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?” Obama: “Absolutely.”
SEN. OBAMA: I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.
MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?
SEN. OBAMA: I will not.
MR. RUSSERT: Senator, thank you very much for your candor and for joining us and sharing your views.
SEN. OBAMA: Had a great time, Tim. Thank you."Frankly from a person that lives in Illinois and has followed Obama throughout his career. It is a pattern ...

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Passer
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"so someone that lies to the people that elected the are forgiven if they win..."

No. ANYONE, including Palin, would only be criticized for accepting a promotion (running for higher office) by bitter partisans on the other side.

ALL politicians are ambitious and given the chance and opportunity, will run for higher office.

However, not all politicians are quitters and sore losers, if they are unsuccessful. That is one of the differences Reactionaries can't understand. Probably because sore losers can be quite tolerant of their brethren.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 12:00:07 PM

"I love how the liberals are so afraid of Palin, for whatever the reason... kinda funny..."

The funny part is how people like you worship her.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 10:52:14 AM

"Fact is she is a quitter. The good folks of Alaska are better off without that quitter running their state. "

"The same goes for Obama. Any Senator or Governor is excused for running for president (except for bitter partisans on the other side) as that is a "higher office". I realize that Reactionaries can't understand the difference between Palin, after she lost and quit vs Obama who ran for higher office and won."

passer and jayrad1957, so someone that lies to the people that elected the are forgiven if they win...

Let's repeat the transcript of the intereview for you guys (girls)...

"Obama 'promised' to be the senator for Illinois... He actively broke that promise... Seanator Obama went on National Television show "Meet the press" in 2005 and promised citizens of Illinois he would serve his full term that he was elected to in November 2004.

"SEN. OBAMA: I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.

MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?

SEN. OBAMA: I will not."

two short years later he broke that promise..

I love how the liberals are so afraid of Palin, for whatever the reason... kinda funny...
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 7:22:08 AM

Can't say I blame him.
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