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YDraigGoch

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:28:26 PM

In the 50s and 60s, the Democrats rid themselves of the hard right "Dixiecrats", and moved to the center. Sadly, they kept going further and further to the left, while real Democrats stayed silent. After being slapped down by Reagan's election (and re-election), they finally began to move back to the center.

Meanwhile, the hard right began to cluster around the Republican party. Emboldened by the stupidity of the Democrats (who had become the hard left), they made themselves appear mainstream center. When Bush 41 ran for reelection, they came down hard on him for being a centrist and raising taxes to stave off the rising debt. A minority of raging right wing fanatics then took control of the party, and real Republicans stayed silent

So now, stung by the Obama reelection, the Republicans appear to be moving back to the center by removing some hard right members from special positions. Even talking about raising revenues.

It seems the publisher of this article does not like that

Will we now see "Back To The Center, part II"? If so, where does the right go next, after being kicked out of both parties? Will the Tea Party fade like the Bullmoose party?
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Passer
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:00:46 AM

"The right will here when the left is gone by the wayside!!"

Like a coin can exist with only one side.

And some "think" that in such a vacuum that will make them rich -- especially with the side that is already bankrupt.
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 9:27:54 PM

The right will here when the left is gone by the wayside!!
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 8:45:18 PM

John Birtchers were not violent. But they had exactly the same message that the Klan had, and many similarities that we hear today from the Tea Party.

In the 1950s, Klan activity was not punished by local law enforcement in much of the country. The violence was as much the result of lax laws as it was the anger. Anger towards leftist, socialists, Catholics, Jews, "negroes" (as they were know back then), government, welfare, and just about everything we hear being griped about today.

One can only speculate what the Tea Party would be like if the laws of the fifties applied today. But the rage we hear on TV, on radio, in publications and on the internet give us a pretty good idea that without the shadow of the law hanging over them, actions would speak louder than words. Just like back then.

And of course, social pressures today makes people less likely to describe their inner hatreds, except to each other. When you are a small minority, you tend to be quiet in public so as not to get your butt kicked.

David Duke showed them the way. This handsome man with the nice smile could not possibly be evil. The Klan must be nicer now.

Yeah, right!

The violence may be shackled today, but like a caged lion, it will rip us apart given the slightest opportunity. The rage persists.

For now.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 10:25:07 AM

Passer, >>"It is a breach of the oath of office." That is typical of Reactionaries: If you don't like the results of a democratic election, try to overturn it; either use the Supreme Court, or contort what you think the "oath of office" is to try and lay the quicksand to an Impeachment Indictment. Sure, the Swiftboaters in the House will vote for an(y) Article of Impeachment on any flimsy grounds (they are experienced at Walking on Quicksand) but The Senate will not vote at the end of the Trial to Impeach.<<
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You have identified the real problem. The government has been sequestering our rights one by one since the early 1900's. This will eventually come to an end. There are only two possibilities for an ending to this usurpation. One is the eventual relinquishing of our rights and accepting we can do nothing about it - in effect becoming serfs to a omnipotent state Or, the return to elected officials OBEYING THE LAWS and restoring our rights as a free people. How we arrive at those two destinies is what remains in question.

As I stated before in my reply to your immature and inappropriate response of >>Then the Tea Party is as moderate as their brethren in the Klan, or their fathers in the John Birch Society<<, "Comparing a large group of people who are PEACEFULLY insisting the Federal Government (and perhaps their state governments) stay within the confines of the law of the land and act RESPONSIBLY to an individual (and his minions) who claimed to have taught that the law is a living document and it means whatever you want it to and acts without adhering to the law IS BEYOND ESCALATION. It is a breach of the oath of office.".

But you seem to insist on taking your views of increasing government participation in our daily lives at the expense of decreasing freedom and point to a new level.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:17:45 PM

An interesting analysis of last years events had a very telling line.

Boehner submits to the Southern rule.

The article was about Boehner caving to a geographical region that has long been a bastion of right wing fanaticism. It dates back to their getting their butts kicked in the civil war.

Back then, they were Democrats, and the north was mostly Republican. That began to change in the fifties. The Democrats began to pull away from all the old style garbage, and the hard right was without a party.

For a while, they became "independents", following George Wallace. But George got himself shot, so that faded. Once in a while, a new "saviour" comes up (like David Duke). But they attached themselves to the GOP, and gradually took over.

But now, like the Democrats before them, the GOP is showing some backbone, and cleaning this trash out of their ranks.

I predict that this will become like the old BullMoose party. Or the ravings of Huey Long. A silly footnote in the history books, but little more.

Instead of vini vidi vici, we got vini vidi...

OK, who knows Latin for "We blew it again"? : o)
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 1:08:19 PM

"It is a breach of the oath of office." That is typical of Reactionaries: If you don't like the results of a democratic election, try to overturn it; either use the Supreme Court, or contort what you think the "oath of office" is to try and lay the quicksand to an Impeachment Indictment. Sure, the Swiftboaters in the House will vote for an(y) Article of Impeachment on any flimsy grounds (they are experienced at Walking on Quicksand) but The Senate will not vote at the end of the Trial to Impeach.

But Reactionaries have your fun, as your last Birther (S)tragedy failed, so far.

Spend most of your time on your Sour Grapes and personal Grapes of Wrath, instead of the country...

Make a democratically elected president the issue instead of your fears and dislike of both compromise and democracy itself.





[Edited by: Passer at 12/30/2012 1:13:58 PM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 12:50:30 PM

Passer, >>I think that is something "Attila the Hun" would do if not something more. It is NO escalation, just (to keep your analogy) using fire to fight fire.<<
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Comparing a large group of people who are PEACEFULLY insisting the Federal Government (and perhaps their state governments) stay within the confines of the law of the land and act RESPONSIBLY to an individual (and his minions) who claimed to have taught that the law is a living document and it means whatever you want it to and acts without adhering to the law IS BEYOND ESCALATION. It is a breach of the oath of office.

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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 12:39:03 PM

"Wow, nice escalation passer, who like to also call fire in a theater?"

I think that is something "Attila the Hun" would do if not something more.

It is NO escalation,

just (to keep your analogy) using fire to fight fire.

The days of John Kerry submitting to Reactionary Swiftboating are OVER and it is now the GOP who are losers. If the GOP tries again to Swiftboat Democrats the GOP will continue to drown, BOAT by BOAT.

The GOP can no longer withstand constantly having their pants on fire without getting burned!


[Edited by: Passer at 12/30/2012 12:41:20 PM EST]
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ber5
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 11:02:31 PM

"Then the Tea Party is as moderate as their brethren in the Klan, or their fathers in the John Birch Society..."

Wow, nice escalation passer, who like to also call fire in a theater?



[Edited by: ber5 at 12/29/2012 11:08:42 PM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 7:49:34 PM

"Obama is about as moderate as atilla the hun."

Then the Tea Party is as moderate as their brethren in the Klan, or their fathers in the John Birch Society...
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 5:58:34 PM

Obama is about as moderate as atilla the hun.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 8:08:55 PM

ministorage

you are correct it was not just the wars, it was a lot of factors, the way out is a healthy economy where their are more paying the tax load.
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 8:06:07 PM

"i got to agree with steve there is no hard left."

Disagree.

"You are right we are going to get higher taxes a real bummer but then i never was for the wars that cost us our prosperity."

But, it's not just the wars. Yes, they are very expensive, but we are upside-down so bad that if we eliminated all wars, Department of State, Department of Defense, and also all of our Intelligence agencies, in one fell swoop, we would still have a Budget Deficit, which is now over a $trillion a year. Our spending problem is actually that bad.

"As far as taking our rights away, both parties been doing that for years."

With that, I concur.

IMHO
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 7:27:45 PM

noseatbelt
i got to agree with steve there is no hard left.

You are right we are going to get higher taxes a real bummer but then i never was for the wars that cost us our prosperity.

As far as taking our rights away, both parties been doing that for years.

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 7:26:31 PM

He was serious. (He also believes the NRA wants to arm 6 year olds with guns.)

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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 7:23:53 PM

Steve,

Your entire last reply is ridiculous. You had to have posted that with sarcasm.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 7:21:34 PM

There is no reign of the hard left. The hard left is not in power. Obama is a moderate. Congress is right of center. So is the SCOTUS. Only someone from the hard right would think moderates are hard left.

There has been no 'wild spending spree.' Our deficit is largely caused by the recession.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 6:25:19 PM

You should be more worried, about what the reign, of the hard left has in store for us in the next four years. Higher taxes, spending even more money we don't have, taking away more of our freedoms, regulating us into the ground.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 6:13:27 PM

The hard right is so hard right that they are now going around in circles.
They don't have time for reign.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 24, 2012 9:09:35 AM

YDraigGoch, >>The wealth of the 1% has increased. We have the actual numbers, year by year.

The Bush tax cuts have been in place a long time. We have the actual numbers of the lost revenues.

The national debt has increased. We have the actual numbers.

Oddly enough, the increase in the debt almost exactly matches the tax revenue lost, and the increase in wealth of the 1%. Must be a coincidence. After all, those "job creators" would NEVER make us go into debt as a nation just to enrich themselves, then leave us with the bill.<<
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And those "1%" you refer to are only from the right? Like Warren Buffet? George Soros? Bill Gates? Hank Paulsen? Jon Corzine? Robert Rubin? Jamie Dimon? Loyld Blanken? James Sinegal? etc., etc......

You seem to place blame on people who prefer to build here but are forced to look for distant places because we have the most horrific corporate tax policies? (Not to mention a mind numbing personal income tax code.)

At what point will people realize capital goes to where it is treated best? At what point will people realize that corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders and NOT to please the growing many that complain of the wealth that does not come their way because of their own greedy selfish wants? WHEN???

[Edited by: MahopacJack at 12/24/2012 9:10:36 AM EST]
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 24, 2012 2:03:45 AM

They Would and did because they can.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 6:19:45 PM

If you look at the numbers from the last ten years, a strange coincidence unfolds.

The wealth of the 1% has increased. We have the actual numbers, year by year.

The Bush tax cuts have been in place a long time. We have the actual numbers of the lost revenues.

The national debt has increased. We have the actual numbers.

Oddly enough, the increase in the debt almost exactly matches the tax revenue lost, and the increase in wealth of the 1%. Must be a coincidence. After all, those "job creators" would NEVER make us go into debt as a nation just to enrich themselves, then leave us with the bill.

Or would they?

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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 2:32:10 PM

btc1, >>What I find amazing is this fiscal crisis was created by their side. Spending on two wars without raising the funds to pay for them. As a matter of fact, their side reduced the income to the treasury while increasing that spending. Now, when we really need to infuse the economy that money has been charged to a debt limit so high it is now scaring them.

Most of us realize this. That is why Obama won a second term. The reason the regional votes re-elected their own porkulus Congress is a selfish trend still showing. They still want spending for themselves.<<
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If you are referring to the Republicans as 'their side,' you're correct although your time frame is way off. The problems began when McKinley was shot and Theodore Roosevelt (R) became president. After that BOTH parties demonstrated various degress of irresponsibility but there were some notable spendthrifts such as Hoover (R), Roosevelt (D), Bush II (R), and Obama (D).

If our financial condition is only scary to Republicans, it is no wonder why we are where we are.
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 12:03:14 PM

Even the right-wing biased media is now fighting with itself.
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 10:03:42 AM

semisteve, there needs to be a balance between revenue and spending. Raising taxes and not curtailing spending is not the solution.When my income was down I adjusted my spending. Companies also do this and they make adjustments. Non profits as well.

Though unfortunately many in our society believes this is not the case...
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btc1
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 10:00:59 AM

MahopacJack, "So you equate demanding our employees spend money reasonably, to only borrow when necessary, and stay within the confines of the law to being stubborn AND as you so eloquently said, "...the over-bearing religious zealots."?"

Well, you do have to admit, if your religion is anything but Christian, you are under attack by them.

What I find amazing is this fiscal crisis was created by their side. Spending on two wars without raising the funds to pay for them. As a matter of fact, their side reduced the income to the treasury while increasing that spending. Now, when we really need to infuse the economy that money has been charged to a debt limit so high it is now scaring them.

Most of us realize this. That is why Obama won a second term. The reason the regional votes re-elected their own porkulus Congress is a selfish trend still showing. They still want spending for themselves.



[Edited by: btc1 at 12/23/2012 10:03:58 AM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 23, 2012 9:44:54 AM

Maybe one of the first wake-up calls for the hard right will be to learn that there has been no wild spending spree. Our deficit is largely caused by the recession, not Democrat spending.

Most get that.

But the hard right is a 'hard learn' of some simple facts.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 5:35:45 PM

"Is the reign of the hard right about to end?"

The closest the House comes to being able to reign,

is a hundred year drought.


But to give credit where credit is due, the Republicans are technologically ahead of the Democrats as the GOP is the first political party to put their brains in The Cloud!







[Edited by: Passer at 12/22/2012 5:41:08 PM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 6:03:38 PM

SemiSteve, >>The TEA Party HAS a stubborn position and INSISTS everyone follow it.
Otherwise, there would be NO 'FISCAL CLIFF!!!'

It is a completely manufactured situation. Self-contrived. Created with a vote. And it could easily be made to vanish just as quickly with another vote. <<
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Steve,
So you equate demanding our employees spend money reasonably, to only borrow when necessary, and stay within the confines of the law to being stubborn AND as you so eloquently said, "...the over-bearing religious zealots."?

Had our employees stayed within the confines of the law of the land for the last 110 years, there would be no fiscal cliff. I do admit though, it did start with a very stubborn progressive by the name of Theodore Roosevelt.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 5:51:17 PM

Shariah law also demands;

NO abortions.

No contraception.

Adherence to religious values.

A mentality towards the rulership of men

No gay marriage.

An eye for an eye as opposed to crime PREVENTION (too expensive, as in TAXES)Seems like America has decided NOT to be Iran after all.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 3:39:52 PM

My staunch TEA Party buddies felt the last snapfu when it was my way or the highway and got our country credit rating down graded.

I suppose the next time around they may have the financial supporter but not the electorate.

They might just disappear into the sunset like the old Democratic/Republican party or the Whigs.

Maybe they will just turn into the TOGA Party.
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 3:39:33 PM

My staunch TEA Party buddies felt the last snapfu when it was my way or the highway and got our country credit rating down graded.

I suppose the next time around they may have the financial supporter but not the electorate.

They might just disappear into the sunset like the old Democratic/Republican party or the Whigs.

Maybe they will just turn into the TOGA Party.
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 3:28:05 PM

"I find it impossible to mix up the goals of the TEA Party with those who have a stubborn position and INSIST everyone follow it."

-rolling eyes-

You have got to be kidding!!!

News flash:

The TEA Party HAS a stubborn position and INSISTS everyone follow it.

Otherwise, there would be NO 'FISCAL CLIFF!!!'

It is a completely manufactured situation. Self-contrived. Created with a vote. And it could easily be made to vanish just as quickly with another vote.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 2:04:10 PM

"Tax money is our money and not the politicians?"

Then, where is my money wasted on the Iraqi War that I never approved? It seems the GOP only objects when the Democrats make the spending decisions so their suddenly seeing the light about spending when a Democrat is president is no more than the ravings of hypocrites!

Don't look for a chapter on the current GOP in a future edition of Profiles in Courage (though you might find an article about them in a medical book about the proper treatment and care of a forked tongue).
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 1:37:08 PM

Tax money is our money and not the politicians? LOL
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 1:35:56 PM

SemiSteve, >>When I think of 'the hard right' I am thinking of the TEA party, the over-bearing religious zealots.<<
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Steve, I find it impossible to mix up the goals of the TEA Party with those who have a stubborn position and INSIST everyone follow it.

The TEA Party insists that our employees (Congress and President) stop wasting our money, and get our financial house in order. They also insist the Government officials live up to their sworn oaths to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Hardly a religious zealots position.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 12:13:07 PM

YDraigGoch,

Are you implying that being a centrist is a good thing?
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 12:03:57 PM

The National Socialist party in 1930s Germany never won more that 38% of the Reichstag.

I guess that means they never reigned either.

Silly boy :o)
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 6:33:47 PM

MJack, I differentiate between 'the right' and 'the hard right.'

When I think of 'the hard right' I am thinking of the TEA party, the over-bearing religious zealots.

When I think of 'the right' I am thinking of those who are conservative but more flexible and understanding of reality.

"Most on the right do NOT seek the comfort of being in agreement with others but seek to do things that are both right and proper for themselves, their families, their nation, and the future of all."

--Agreed. But then that also describes most of the left as well.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 6:14:21 PM

SemiSteve, >>The hard right got themselves all worked up into a furor. They made the same mistake I have seen many prejudiced conservatives do. They assumed that the majority of the nation was in agreement with them.<<
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Steve, what led you to this conclusion? Most on the right do NOT seek the comfort of being in agreement with others but seek to do things that are both right and proper for themselves, their families, their nation, and the future of all.

While those on the left seek comfort in being in the majority opinion which more often than not works against the long term benefit of all.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 4:12:12 PM

The hard right got themselves all worked up into a furor. They made the same mistake I have seen many prejudiced conservatives do. They assumed that the majority of the nation was in agreement with them. They found out they were wrong. It was a huge blow. Now many of them have lost their patriotism. Instead of remaining loyal to the USA, they want to leave and take their entire State with them. Texas has the most who are in favor of this. But not so quick, hard righties. Even Gov Rick Perry is against that.

My advise to them (which will of course be ignored) Buck up; Wake up; And start learning some of the things you have been ignoring. It's a big wide world. Rich old white guys may not be calling the shots forever. Can ya handle it?
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 1:24:34 PM

If they reigned, I snored.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:05:29 PM

I'd like to know when the hard right ever reigned! There have been more registered Democrats forever. If the hard right won, it's because Democrats voted them in.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 7:48:00 PM


"How about THAT?"

I think you 'been up in the night' too much.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 7:43:04 PM

>>> Why should they as the real cause of the problem is mental illness and not the ownership of weapons or things that can be used as weapons? <<<

How about the irresponsible use and care of weapons?

This woman knew she had a son who was less than capable in judgement. Even if she didn't know how severe it was, she should have treated it that way when it came to dangerous machines like guns.

He should never have had unsupervised access to the weapons. But, like many gun owners (as opposed to real shooters), she didn't act responsibly. If she had, the guns would still be locked up in a safe, the kids would be alive, her son would be alive. SHE would be alive.

The founding fathers did not give us unrestricted rights. When I came to America, I was put into the third grade. We had a course called civics. We learned we had rights, but that every right came with responsibilities. This was in very conservative Oklahoma in the 1950s, in case some idiot wants to portray that as some liberal garbage.

But today, NO ONE takes that responsibility any more.

"I got me a RIGHT to have guns and do anything I want. The Constitution don't say NUTHIN about being responsible. That's just liberal garbage"

"I got a right to welfare, and I don't have to do NUTHIN for it."

"I got a right to medical care, and I'll eat as much as I want, smoke, and do anything else I want. Exercise? You can't make me do NUTHIN!"

"I got a right to make as much money as I can using America's infrastructure, and I don't want to pay NUTHIN in taxes."

Yes, I'm saying that many (probably MOST) gun owners are no different from those other examples. Our friends here on the hard right are just as selfish, self absorbed, irresponsible and dangerous as our left wing buddies.

How about THAT?
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 5:58:50 PM

They're holding a press conference sometime on Friday. I don't know about you, but the suspense has made me all atwitter.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 12/18/2012 6:02:52 PM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 5:41:08 PM

Michiganian, >>The NRA has become strangely silent after what happened in Newtown. They even shut down their Facebook page.<<
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Why should they as the real cause of the problem is mental illness and not the ownership of weapons or things that can be used as weapons?
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 2:09:08 PM

Not any time soon, especially with a Tea Party senator appointed fron SC.
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Michiganian
Champion Author Michigan

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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:04:41 AM

The NRA has become strangely silent after what happened in Newtown. They even shut down their Facebook page.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 6:39:28 PM

MJ>"You seem to forget that if a Democrat goes against the party's stance they may face similar actions."

Perhaps, but by the Party Leaders. But they don't sign an oath, much more, to someone out of the leadership.

Is Norquist a Republican Party Leader??

Who "elected" him? The same people who elected "Leader" Limbaugh?
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