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streetrider

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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:47:15 PM

Just wondering if besides giving to your church will you be helping feed or cloth the needy this Christmas season.

If so list how?
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 5:49:06 PM

My wife and I work year round with a national group to feed the hungry. At this time every year we send in a $1000 donation to the Salavation Army, and other checks to the Women's Shelter, the Food Pantry and a few others

Many churches are more interested in converts than helping the needy. The "join my gang" mentality. So we put our efforts into helping people. The churches are more than capable of helping themselves.

Which many do on a regular basis.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:24:50 AM

The new year brings hope that there will be less in need, till then, remember there are people in our country that need the basics.

Not just at christmas but all year round.

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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 2:01:27 AM

Speedy will you be doing anything to help those poor?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 1:53:48 PM

There will be many more poor after January 1st.
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2012 1:48:54 PM

A little late this year but for churches looking for outreach Angel Tree Ministries is a good one at Christmas time

[Edited by: airfresh at 12/22/2012 1:50:23 PM EST]
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 5:03:51 PM

Don't
forget the needy, this christmas and all year long.

Its better to be on the side of giving than needing.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:53:16 PM

mark
you are correct many are benefit rich but income poor, at the same time if they own a house car etc it by no means is a display of ability to make it at a particular point in time.
Most time it is cheaper to help them through a rough economical time than to confiscate their assets for some help.
There are also many states that put leans against your assets for public assistance, if you don't have any assets your better off.

However I dont want to change the nature of this thread. I make many different types of contributions to the needy.

However when possible I try to teach a person a skill or trade so they can earn for themselves.

You got to realize some people never had any success in their lives, therefore lack the confidence to make a change or complete a program that would give them a certification.

I have a friend who years ago use to get the local minister to let them feed the poor children in the church basement before school.
All the food they got for free, day old, still good but not for sale.


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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 4:23:13 PM

Mark, "several have taken me up on my offer", that's great America needs many more like you, I'm impressed.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 4:22:30 PM

"Have many of you done nothing personally to help?"


Several people, including myself, have given specific examples of how they are helping.

The great thing about this thread is that in the discussion of what people are doing to help, I've gotten some great ideas that I will try to duplicate here in CA, to further assist in what I'm already doing...
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 3:52:46 PM

"Have many of you done nothing personally to help?"

Does judging count?
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:31:28 AM

Sad how a topic about helping the needy has degenerated into bashing the poor and government programs to help them. Have many of you done nothing personally to help?
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:20:33 AM

Regarding poverty, many we know that own nice homes, vehicles and other possessions free and clear are considered poor by government standards as they have low incomes.

Many recipients of numerous handouts including $X,000 tax refunds/credits, subsidized housing, food stamps, WIC, Medicaid, daycare, HEAP, Emergency HEAP, free furnaces/boilers, winterization/weatherization etc are poor by government standards as they have low "claimed" incomes although they're benefit rich.

Recently we had a customer seeking assistance that claimed her household was poor, yet 4 household members smoke over a pack of cigarettes per day @ $8 plus per pack.

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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:36:58 AM

NO! These people need to get off the government entitlement programs and make something of themselves! This is America!

[Edited by: eldiablopoco at 12/19/2012 9:40:46 AM EST]
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Ladygator2007
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 9:26:57 AM

Heart breaking that there are so many people and organizations that toss the term poor out there to guilt people into giving so they can make $$$$
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 8:20:41 AM

I don't like the idea of anyone charging "truly poor" and "truly needy" individuals and households any amount of money, let alone unreasonable prices for garbage.

We do a lot of property clean-outs, so we donate many things directly to the poor and needy.

Delivery of and removal of larger items such as furniture and appliances is very important as truly poor households don't own or have access to trucks, vans or trailers.
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Ladygator2007
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 6:45:40 AM

streetrider, I like to help out in person when I can. It's hard giving money because you're never 100% sure exactly what it will be used for. I remember when I was younger and my Mom would have us kids sort things to be "given" to the poor. Didn't realize till I was older that no it isn't given to them. It ended up at a thrift store for people to purchase.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 11:23:24 PM

mark
Exactly what I was asking a few posts ago, I hear some charities rinse upwards of 30% from the take for administrative costs.

Not to push one charity ahead of any others, but I remember a commercial made by jerry Lewis where 100% contributed to united way goes back out to help as they have no CEO and volunteers.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:55:42 AM

Speaking of Good Will, the other day we were going to donate some clothing to Hurricane Sandy victims, but they weren't accepting "used" clothing.

The clothing we were donating was really high end and barely worn.

We decided we'd donate to Good Will. Before we donated the clothing. we checked out the store. We were amazed at the high prices they were charging for dirty nasty stained winter jackets!

While at the store, a customer wanted to buy a jacket, but they wouldn't sell it to them since the tag was missing. The staff was very rude to the customer as well.

Needless to say we won't be donating anything to Good Will in the future.

We donated our clothing to a family that lost most of their possessions and clothing due to a fire.

I much prefer the free and direct distribution model.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:47:39 AM

We stopped exchanging gifts between the adults years ago. Now we only gift the grandchildren. Each year we get a needy family (or two) from one of the charities (Catholic Charities this year) and buy gifts for them. We also buy a gift card for the family from a local grocery store. Feels so much better and we don't have to spend hours trying to buy gifts for our adult children.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:42:38 AM

"Mark, "they didn't take me up on my offer". Two people out of millions only represents the 2 you spoke to that day. I hope you are not going to try to make the case that all unemployed are about the same. If so, go for it."

I've made my incentive/goal/acheivement based job prep, job search and job transportation assistance offer literally dozens of times in the last several years alone.

Several long term unemployed people have taken me up on my offer short-term, but few seriously looked for work, only 3 managed to keep jobs for more than 6 months and only one managed to keep a job more than a year.

The one that kept her job more than a year now works a full-time job as a CNA, works a second part-time CNA job and has more private duty gigs than she can handle. She made over 35K last year which is the most money anyone in her family has made in generations.

As promised, when she hit the 1 year benchmark I gave her a used low mileage car, plus paid for her registration, plates and inspection.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 11:40:45 PM

I met a gentleman today whom with the help of his wife and several church members raise crops on 2 acres to feed the unfortunate of the local community. Canning food and giving it to the local food bank.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 12:58:10 AM

"Which national organization gives the most back in terms of what is collected?"

I believe it is the Salvation Army. A very small percentage of what they take in goes to overhead. They are the only organization I donate to.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 12:01:17 AM

Jacka, that is so cool! Bless you!
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 11:37:54 PM

Which national organization gives the most back in terms of what is collected?

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jacka123
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:06:03 PM

I just wanted to point out, that in my previous post, the items that are given out, other than food, are items that are donated. As a government organization, we give out tax receipts, so we get a lot of donations, rather than people giving it to Goodwill. Goodwill sells stuff, we give it away. We are an organization that is very strict, in that, I once said, why don't we sell stuff for a quarter, and use the money to buy food. The answer was that we have to do with the donations, the purpose they were intended, and that is to give them away to the public. So, we do not deal in money at all, everything is free. We also, pick up 1 day old sweets at 3 or 4 grocery stores and Walmart, and that is what I use to do. Some food from the government is only for people that are food stamp eligible. It really is a wonderful place for those who are in need.
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 11:50:53 AM

My wife and I help people almost every day. My wife has been a volunteer at a Help Center where we live for about 12 years. We live in a small town, that really helps the homeless and low income people. I think there are about 4 or 5 shelters,some for men, some for women, besides some of the churchs providing help. Some churchs serve lunch certain days of the week. The Help Center where my wife works, is run by the government, giving out food plus the same items that you would see in a Goodwill store, except that everything is free. I volunteered there myself for about 5 or 6 years when I retired, until I decided to get a part time job, for need of a little money for myself, lol. So we help in volunteering, and if I have extra money, I have a daughter that is disabled, and can always use our help, money wise. We take food, clothing, etc., lots of times directly to homes that are in need. My only problem is that my wife tries to help the whole world, which is impossible of course. I guess we are very lucky to have so much help, for such a small town of about 16,000 people. If you ever have the time and can afford it, volunteering is an excellent way of helping people.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 12:35:03 PM

How to help the victims of the Newtown School shooting

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 12/15/2012 12:36:42 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 10:09:56 AM

"Ebeneezer Scrooge is keeping a low profile on this topic."

Understandable, yet his foul, greedy, selfish spirit is alive and kicking about in other nearby topics.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 12/14/2012 10:12:24 AM EST]
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 10:03:14 AM

Mark, "they didn't take me up on my offer". Two people out of millions only represents the 2 you spoke to that day. I hope you are not going to try to make the case that all unemployed are about the same. If so, go for it.

1oil, "Why just Christmas?", I agree.

RNorm, "working year round", I have a feeling "you" do just that. Keep up the good work Norm.

I can't be the only one that has noticed most of us are in agreement on this topic. Ebeneezer Scrooge is keeping a low profile on this topic.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 9:19:16 AM

<<<"It does seem that the holiday season is the only time you really hear about people being in need.">>>

A question better suited for our media. There are many who work tirelessly year round giving time energy and money to help those in need.

And it's good that the media at least devotes some time at this time of year to bring it to the surface. Even those trying to bring attention to themselves are helping the causes. And it's rewarding to themselves as well. They can feel good about it. Regardless of the motive.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 9:18:50 AM

Always donate to the Salvation Army, Disabled American Veterans & I do my part ( In Cookies + Cookies + Cookies + ) for the Girl Scouts
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 7:11:24 AM

"It does seem that the holiday season is the only time you really hear about people being in need."


Not so.

The only reason it seems that way is because people turn their attention to homelessness and hunger during the holiday season.

We are working YEAR ROUND to feed and help the needy.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 5:43:32 AM

1OILMAN...Agreed. The churches near me run food pantries all year and I know one of them serves breakfast on the days they are open. It does seem that the holiday season is the only time you really hear about people being in need.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 4:03:12 AM

There is a very well-run homeless shelter in a large city near me that literally has people and organizations lining up to help. The residents who work at the homeless shelter, the people who come there to eat meals—all wonderful people whom I have had the privilege to meet and share time with. It is not lost on me that I gain far more spiritually when I help out there regularly than I ever contribute. I saw a post on this thread earlier in December that indicated that there was not a shelter nearby for the poster to support. Indeed, in my PA hometown I read recently where they are trying to re-open their shelter which has apparently fallen by the wayside. It is my hope that this local well-run shelter could provide a business model(for lack of a better description) for others somehow. I am trying to figure out a way to humbly suggest this, because I know that the people who run this shelter definitely do not need me to tell them what to do!

Giving should know no season. Give money and time and love to others who ask for it—don’t spend time trying to think about who is worthy and who isn’t. Those who have acquired the most dubious of reputations probably need some type of attention moreso than anyone else. So what if you give them attention that society says they don’t deserve? So what? (my comments are not directed at anyone specifically—and, I need to follow my own advice).


[Edited by: mweyant at 12/14/2012 4:04:08 AM EST]
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 4:46:25 PM

Why just Christmas? I help when and where I can regardless the season.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 4:22:50 PM

I hate to do a "back in my day" thing, but...

When I was a boy in Wales, Britain was still devastated from WWII. There was high unemployment because much of the infrastructure was gone. Bombe out of existence. There was not enough industry and business to occupy everyone. Sort of like America today, but for different reasons. We bombed ourselves.

Anyway, the government set up housing for the unemployed. Everyone was on ration stamps, whether they had a job or not. That was still in effect August 1954 when I came to America.

If you were unemployed, you had to be at the work station every day, 7:30 sharp. If a paying job came up, you had to take it. If not, people were required to put some time into public works to rebuild the country.

I lived with my grandparents. My Grampa drove a double decker bus. He shared his job with another driver.

Everybody did something. Shop keepers hired extra help. Wages were low, but livable due to government assistance. But there was NO FREE LUNCH! No sir. We all were part of the recovery. We didn't have to help the poor. We were ALL poor. Even kids like me helped with allotments to grow our own food.

I'm not suggesting we go to such extremes. YET!

But if we don't get our collective humming bird heads out of our alligator a---s, we will need to do something.

Those programs put Britain back on the map. How far down will America go before we wind up the same way?
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 12:52:45 PM

To date I have donated to The Salvation Army in person and on line. I have twice donated to the victims of Sandy during both concerts. It is long past time for America to look out for Americans in need during disasters. Tis the season, Merry Christmas.

BlackG, I ignore professional street beggars for them begging is a career. In Newport News we had a guy that carried a sign that said "I will work for food" and of course he would not. He just stood in a busy median with his sign waiting for a hand out. He was exposed along with another rip off artist in Hampton by a news crew.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 9:35:51 AM

To eliminate scammers, freeloaders, administrative costs, administrative theft, delays and red tape, I donate goods, labor and professional services directly to the deserving recipients of my choosing.

We know many freeloaders that are on foodstamps and hit up several different food and goods distribution sites since they don't want to work and/or don't want to spend their cigarette, beer and entertainment money.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 9:17:30 AM

<<<<<<Well this topic went just as I thought, all those deeply devoted Christians have no real idea on what christianism is, they seem to have disappeared.>>>

<<<"Should Christians leave the Democrat Party: 1600+ posts
The poor the needy: 34 posts"Well, since "The Poor the Needy" isn't means to promote the anti-abortion agenda, you won't see many posts from that crowd...not to mention there are some who believing the poor and the needy brought their condition upon themselves and that the government coming alongside to help is "stealing". >>>

As I stated previously good growing generous and giving Christians "may" also not be participating in this topic for sound biblical reasons of their own. That don't require divisive comments about them since they are not here to defend themselves. Seems like a judgement without evidence to me. I don't know what's in their hearts.

Based on the comment above by the OP writer it seems his/her intention may not have been as honorable as it appears either. Just sayin.
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 10:45:53 PM

I don't watch much TV. But right now I am watching this incredible concert called 12-12-12. And it is all about helping the needy victims of the global warming intensified Super Storm Hurricane Sandy. If you can spare a dime, brother, you should tune in and call the number. Flip them a few bucks if you can. It is a wonderful outpouring.
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 10:22:26 PM

"I do not feel the need to broadcast any charitable works that I choose to endeavor. This does not mean that I don't form my own opinions on assorted topics. I hope this helps answer your question. "


I actually didn't ask a question, but simply made an observation.

And while I don't expect people to broadcast what they're doing on the behalf of the poor and needy, it is nice to know (1) that there are others out there helping; and (2) new and different ideas from what others are doing.

Add 2 more cents to the pot...
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 8:10:43 PM

Helping the poor and needy should be left up to the locals to separate those who really need help from scam artists and freeloaders.

The churches I have worked with note the names and address of those requesting help and then check these on a database that a lot of the churches use. They will find people asking multiple churches for the same help for the same time period expecting to get goods from as many as they can. They end up with nothing.

A woman who took her lunch to work and ate it in Farragut Square (3 blocks from the White House) asked me what to do when beggars approached asking for money to buy lunch. I told her to offer part of the lunch she had. Later she related that they all turned her down stating in effect it wasn't good enough. It was what the woman was eating and it wasn't good enough for the beggar? Then she told me one day that a woman begging for food dis accept what was offered and thanked for it. This is the type of person who really needs help and no one minds helping.

Federal and State and Local governments are unable to distinguish the truly needy from the freeloaders and scam artists. That is why they should stay out of trying to help; they will spend a lot of money and help very very few poor and needy.
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 4:53:35 PM

<<<"Well, since "The Poor the Needy" isn't means to promote the anti-abortion agenda, you won't see many posts from that crowd...not to mention there are some who believing the poor and the needy brought their condition upon themselves and that the government coming alongside to help is "stealing".

Just an observation... ">>>

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I do not feel the need to broadcast any charitable works that I choose to endeavor. This does not mean that I don't form my own opinions on assorted topics. I hope this helps answer your question.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 9:46:11 AM

I try to help the needy that don't qualify for benefits and the needy too proud to apply for benefits.

We have numerous benefits to help single parents with children, seniors, disabled people, children etc, but many single childless people and working poor that make a little too much money don't qualify.

Many people qualify for benefits, but they're too proud to apply for them. I'll bend over backwards to help many of these people.
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PatAZ
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 9:22:42 AM

Gifts for needy kids.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 7:19:22 AM

"Should Christians leave the Democrat Party: 1600+ posts
The poor the needy: 34 posts"


Well, since "The Poor the Needy" isn't means to promote the anti-abortion agenda, you won't see many posts from that crowd...not to mention there are some who believing the poor and the needy brought their condition upon themselves and that the government coming alongside to help is "stealing".

Just an observation...
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 7:00:31 AM

Should Christians leave the Democrat Party: 1600+ posts
The poor the needy: 34 posts
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 5:45:12 PM

Great scripture Marty!

Throw another 2 cents in the pot!

We almost got a dime!!
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 4:45:45 PM

You're welcome to your 2 cents Norm.

I gave mine. ;)
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 4:42:39 PM

"And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:" --Hebrews 10: 24
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