GasBuddy Blog

Message Forum - Read Message

Category: US politics > Topics	Add to favorite topics Post New Topic

Author	Topic: Obama Care, the train wreck!	Post a Reply Back to Topics

goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,513 Points:2,714,815 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 3:01:00 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse I am reading a new book on Obama Care. As I am nearing retirement, it is quite obvious that senior citizens will not fair well under Obama Care.

goldseeker

Champion Author
West Virginia

Posts:19,513
Points:2,714,815
Joined:Sep 2005

Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 3:01:00 AM

Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse

I am reading a new book on Obama Care. As I am nearing retirement, it is quite obvious that senior citizens will not fair well under Obama Care.

REPLIES (newest first)Ignore Short Messages

johnnyg1200 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,106 Points:640,470 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 7:17:24 PM Ignore johnnyg1200 Report Abuse Before the election the national night club chain my brother works for said if Obamacare went into effect they would be cutting hours. Well its official now. He was just told that all waitresses and support staff are to be cut back to 28 hours a week. This is everyone except the bartenders, D.J’s and management. Any manager that allows a part time employee to work more than 30 hours in any week will be fired. This is being done to avoid the mandates in Obamacare.
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,541 Points:2,898,095 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 11:59:57 AM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse That is also the point. There isn't enough money in America to support the program, pure an simple. This has been a problem on the left for years. More and more and more social programs. Fine, but there's not concomitant money to pay for it. You want to offer this new social benefit? OK, we can talk about it, but you have to tell me how it's going to get paid for FIRST. Are you going to pay for it by 1) cutting some other program that is not working? 2) Raising a new tax to pay for it. 3) "General fund financing" or 4) "wait, wait, you don't understand.. it will pay for itself, it will!" 3 and 4 are unacceptable answers. Oh, speaking of which, I've been listening to a podcast from NPR called "Planet Money". It tackles economic topics, some related to social issues. Recently I listened to, I think it was Podcast 386, on the cost of expanding Medicaid as part of the new ObamaCare. Well, the long and short of it is that it will NOT pay for itself, as some liberal fools are wont to believe. It must necessarily cost additional money, as it will be treating additional people.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,513 Points:2,714,815 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 5:21:18 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse "Where is the money going to come from?" A good chunk will come from Senior Citizens hip pockets via decreased spending for medicare.
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,401 Points:2,714,620 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 12:49:49 PM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse Where is the money going to come from?
fallbaby All-Star Author Indiana Posts:703 Points:304,990 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 10:54:27 AM Ignore fallbaby Report Abuse I do believe his goal is not only to "rule" us but to let all seniors die off quicker. Just my opinion as a senior who DID NOT VOTE FOR OBUMMER!!!!
FluffyDogAttack Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,058 Points:93,775 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 10:42:15 AM Ignore FluffyDogAttack Report Abuse I just got a letter from my primary care physician today. He's closing his private practice at the end of 2012 due to the increasing difficulties and "regulatory" climate. Thanks President Zero.
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,541 Points:2,898,095 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 7:49:59 AM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse It ought to be obvious to everyone that ObamaCare is a piece of junk legislation. I think NOBODY in America will fare well under this fool law. And as pointed out, the law has achieved ZERO of it's goal. Except, perhaps, for spending a whole lot of Americans' money for very little benefit.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,513 Points:2,714,815 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 6:44:07 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse Also my share of co-payment is greater.
I75at7AM Champion Author Dayton Posts:66,469 Points:2,429,445 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 7:54:27 AM Ignore I75at7AM Report Abuse My company's increase for 2013 is 18%. I could only wish for 4%.... And then we get to pay up this new fee. Hey, it's only $63/year, and they promise it will go down......
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,535 Points:268,635 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 7:38:25 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse Health insurance premiums climb 4% in 2012
noseatbelt Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,613 Points:205,050 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 6:45:27 PM Ignore noseatbelt Report Abuse It looks like there are a few democrats starting to come to their senses about obama care, and how bad a lot of it is. I wonder, what obama will promise them, or threaten them, with to bring them back in line?
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,513 Points:2,714,815 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 5:17:36 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse My health insurance is going up over $200. Next year will be worse.
gocatgo Champion Author South Carolina Posts:15,623 Points:2,525,580 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:47:02 AM Ignore gocatgo Report Abuse Where was the outrage against W Bush for his unfunded drug plan? I think cons are only for socialism coming from their party.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,513 Points:2,714,815 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 3:10:29 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse "Actually, it started as a Republican plan. You know, Romneycare. It unfortunately is heath insurance reform. We need to do something to bring healthcare costs down." Really??? Kind of funny since my 2013 rates just went up. I can assure you that in the years to come under Obumercare they will continue to skyrocket.
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,824 Points:1,864,800 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 4:51:10 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse Hey Toe love your ICON!!! I can read an imaginary unnamed book can't I?
michaelphoenix2 All-Star Author Tucson Posts:666 Points:9,140 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 2:44:13 PM Ignore michaelphoenix2 Report Abuse Uh huh....because a book titled obamacare survival guide sounds COMPLETELY unbiased to me /s
mudtoe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,467 Points:1,285,340 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 1:15:30 PM Ignore mudtoe Report Abuse wf: "I am reading a book on Obama care and it looks like it will be terrific! " Das Kapital? mudtoe
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,824 Points:1,864,800 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 1:00:00 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse I am reading a book on Obama care and it looks like it will be terrific!
I75at7AM Champion Author Dayton Posts:66,469 Points:2,429,445 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 12:48:29 PM Ignore I75at7AM Report Abuse Paxman, I agree entirely with your last sentence. You last post, in general. We need to bring down healthcare costs. Not just limit the speed of their increase, as the government tells us they "cut" government spending. If we can reduce healthcare costs, the insurance companies can keep premiums lower as they pay a portion of just about everything. And that is how we begin. I would do away with office visit deductibles. Most people pay $20 now, it used to be $5 or $10, but in any case there is a need for the doctor office to file the claim, and the insurance company to process it and send out payment. Eliminating office co-pays helps limit costs right at the source, and reduces the administrative burden at the insurance company level. Next I would suggest that medical service providers must post their prices! Much like choosing a restaurant or a cel phone provider, people can shop and save by choosing what they really need and want! Do either of my suggestions need legislation to impose them? No. They are market-based solutions. A little bit of easing of regulations, somehow and somewhere, and maybe cutting out that really strange tax on medical devices and equipment. How was that going to reduce any costs? Having more taxes built into the structure of medical hardware is a sure way to increase costs, not decreas them!
PappaVanTwee Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:14,634 Points:677,090 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 8:10:11 AM Ignore PappaVanTwee Report Abuse >>> Wait a minute. Didn't obumer and the democrats hatch this plan? <<< Actually, it started as a Republican plan. You know, Romneycare. It unfortunately is heath insurance reform. We need to do something to bring healthcare costs down.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,513 Points:2,714,815 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 3:46:10 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse "That's the Republican way, isn't it?" Wait a minute. Didn't obumer and the democrats hatch this plan?
PappaVanTwee Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:14,634 Points:677,090 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 5:33:53 AM Ignore PappaVanTwee Report Abuse >>> The only people who will do well under Obamacare is those who will get it free and funded out of everyone else's pockets. <<< Who's getting it free? This is about personal responsibility. If you don't have insurance, you would have to pay for it, or pay a penalty. That's the Republican way, isn't it? There are no freebies in Obamacare.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,513 Points:2,714,815 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 3:25:57 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse My brother who is self employed just told me that his 2013 health insurance bill just went up $800 for 2013. I am afraid that it will go up much more for 2014 and beyond.
e_jeepin Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,811 Points:121,910 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:49:39 PM Ignore e_jeepin Report Abuse The only people who will do well under Obamacare is those who will get it free and funded out of everyone else's pockets. Liberal pundits argue "well that's what we are doing right now, so what's the difference?" The difference will be a surge in demand for "free" services. Once you have the magic card in your pocket and your co-pays are waived due to income level? kaboom! Exploding costs to run it. I'm willing to bet right now that within 5 years (after Obama is safely retired in Hawaii), actual Obamacare costs will be TRIPLE of the original "pass it to find out what's in it". The Middle Class is who will be held responsible for the tab for this forever -- and like any other govt entitlement, will be under-funded for generations to come. Those who get it free could care less, vote Democrat to keep it free, get a 110% tax refund every year. [Edited by: e_jeepin at 12/5/2012 12:53:11 PM EST]
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,535 Points:268,635 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:07:05 AM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse It also applies only to individuals earning over $200K of income (couples over $250K) You can find the correct information at snopes.com, which is where I found the info for my posts.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,535 Points:268,635 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:03:15 AM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse "I have also learned that if you sell your home and it has a value of $200,000.00 there is now a 5% tax on it that will help to pay for Obama care." You've learned wrong. The tax is 3.8% and it applies to profit on a home sale above the capital gains threshold. That makes it a tax on investment income.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,513 Points:2,714,815 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:00:57 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse The book is called "Obamacare Survival Guide". The book tells it like it is. The author gives the good points and bad points of each part and how it will effect individual groups. From what I have read so far the only groups that will gain under this program are the uninsured and the age group;18-26 . I talked to a former co-worker last night who has been retired for a few years. He told me that between his regular insurance and medicare that all his medical bills are covered. He should know since his wife just had major surgery. Unfortunately medicare is being gutted to the tune of 800 billion over the next ten years. I have also learned that if you sell your home and it has a value of $200,000.00 there is now a 5% tax on it that will help to pay for Obama care. This goes into effect on January 1. Also the threshold of where you can use deductions on your income tax concerning medical bills will raise from 7.5% to 10%. I didn't vote for this guy, but I am having to pay more and more. You can bet that there will be plenty of hidden taxes to pay for this monster. I will try to continue posting more updates as my reading progresses.
Pard Champion Author Detroit Posts:85,746 Points:3,126,085 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:16:02 PM Ignore Pard Report Abuse Obamacare is pretty much a colonoscopy without having to take Golightly first.
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,541 Points:2,898,095 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 6:43:03 PM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse I am also an opponent of ObamaCare on many different levels. But the think I most object to is that we're paying and paying and paying with no end is in sight. It will necessarly and ultimately bankrupt the country.
LTVibe Champion Author Orlando Posts:6,696 Points:523,220 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 11:13:07 AM Ignore LTVibe Report Abuse >>>WHAT is the name & author of the book????????<<< Until we get an answer, my guess is that the book in question is the one described in this article.
sgm4law Champion Author Maryland Posts:18,780 Points:2,374,550 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 10:12:19 AM Ignore sgm4law Report Abuse "Waiting for the flying language police." They only come around for liberals or under specific request for conservatives. Sorry, no help.
PopcornPirate Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,904 Points:1,169,700 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:19:16 AM Ignore PopcornPirate Report Abuse WHAT is the name & author of the book????????
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,535 Points:268,635 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:12:05 AM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse "Waiting for the flying language police. " They never seem to be around when they're needed.
I75at7AM Champion Author Dayton Posts:66,469 Points:2,429,445 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:39:02 AM Ignore I75at7AM Report Abuse IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law "(Reuters) - The Internal Revenue Service has released new rules for investment income taxes on capital gains and dividends earned by high-income individuals that passed Congress as part of the 2010 healthcare reform law." "The 159 pages of rules spell out when the tax applies to trusts and annuities, as well as to individual securities traders." "Released late on Friday, the new regulations include a 0.9 percent healthcare tax on wages for high-income individuals." Get reading, and start paying up!
Hiram 615 Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:21,311 Points:2,475,655 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:54:22 AM Ignore Hiram 615 Report Abuse "So now it is clear who lied to us...: Surely that mentioned but unnamed book has no particular political point of view...<sarcasm> I on the other hand, being retired and recently on medicare, prefer to wait and see, then make my own evaluation, based on experience with, The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA). [Edited by: Hiram 615 at 12/4/2012 8:01:02 AM EST]
Tru2psu2 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:14,455 Points:1,551,630 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:02:14 AM Ignore Tru2psu2 Report Abuse I am reading a new book on Obama Care. As I am nearing retirement, it is quite obvious that senior citizens will not fair well under Obama Care. ----------------------------------------- So now it is clear who lied to us... hope we remember in 2 & 4 years!
Tru2psu2 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:14,455 Points:1,551,630 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:01:23 AM Ignore Tru2psu2 Report Abuse Boy are we going to pay!
Hiram 615 Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:21,311 Points:2,475,655 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 6:12:15 AM Ignore Hiram 615 Report Abuse goldseeker, What book are you reading?
Ladygator2007 All-Star Author Florida Posts:793 Points:216,855 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 6:03:58 AM Ignore Ladygator2007 Report Abuse goldseeker, it is about to get even worse. Few are safe from this. The senate and congress are.. They are exempt.
FluffyDogAttack Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,058 Points:93,775 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 3:07:34 AM Ignore FluffyDogAttack Report Abuse Good luck! Don't think you're alone because you're a senior though. We're all getting screwed because of Obamacare. Oh and it's just starting too. Wait until all the unintended consequences come to fruition as this crap weaves it's tendrils into every aspect of our lives.