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goldseeker

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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 3:01:00 AM

I am reading a new book on Obama Care. As I am nearing retirement, it is quite obvious that senior citizens will not fair well under Obama Care.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 7:17:24 PM

Before the election the national night club chain my brother works for said if Obamacare went into effect they would be cutting hours. Well its official now. He was just told that all waitresses and support staff are to be cut back to 28 hours a week. This is everyone except the bartenders, D.J’s and management. Any manager that allows a part time employee to work more than 30 hours in any week will be fired. This is being done to avoid the mandates in Obamacare.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2012 11:59:57 AM

That is also the point. There isn't enough money in America to support the program, pure an simple. This has been a problem on the left for years. More and more and more social programs. Fine, but there's not concomitant money to pay for it. You want to offer this new social benefit? OK, we can talk about it, but you have to tell me how it's going to get paid for FIRST. Are you going to pay for it by 1) cutting some other program that is not working? 2) Raising a new tax to pay for it. 3) "General fund financing" or 4) "wait, wait, you don't understand.. it will pay for itself, it will!"
3 and 4 are unacceptable answers.

Oh, speaking of which, I've been listening to a podcast from NPR called "Planet Money". It tackles economic topics, some related to social issues. Recently I listened to, I think it was Podcast 386, on the cost of expanding Medicaid as part of the new ObamaCare. Well, the long and short of it is that it will NOT pay for itself, as some liberal fools are wont to believe. It must necessarily cost additional money, as it will be treating additional people.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 5:21:18 AM

"Where is the money going to come from?"

A good chunk will come from Senior Citizens hip pockets via decreased spending for medicare.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 12:49:49 PM

Where is the money going to come from?
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fallbaby
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 10:54:27 AM

I do believe his goal is not only to "rule" us but to let all seniors die off quicker. Just my opinion as a senior who DID NOT VOTE FOR OBUMMER!!!!
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FluffyDogAttack
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 10:42:15 AM

I just got a letter from my primary care physician today. He's closing his private practice at the end of 2012 due to the increasing difficulties and "regulatory" climate.

Thanks President Zero.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 7:49:59 AM

It ought to be obvious to everyone that ObamaCare is a piece of junk legislation. I think NOBODY in America will fare well under this fool law. And as pointed out, the law has achieved ZERO of it's goal. Except, perhaps, for spending a whole lot of Americans' money for very little benefit.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 6:44:07 AM

Also my share of co-payment is greater.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 7:54:27 AM

My company's increase for 2013 is 18%. I could only wish for 4%....

And then we get to pay up this new fee. Hey, it's only $63/year, and they promise it will go down......
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 7:38:25 PM

Health insurance premiums climb 4% in 2012
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 6:45:27 PM

It looks like there are a few democrats starting to come to their senses about obama care, and how bad a lot of it is. I wonder, what obama will promise them, or threaten them, with to bring them back in line?
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 5:17:36 AM

My health insurance is going up over $200. Next year will be worse.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:47:02 AM

Where was the outrage against W Bush for his unfunded drug plan? I think cons are only for socialism coming from their party.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 3:10:29 AM

"Actually, it started as a Republican plan. You know, Romneycare. It unfortunately is heath insurance reform. We need to do something to bring healthcare costs down."

Really??? Kind of funny since my 2013 rates just went up. I can assure you that in the years to come under Obumercare they will continue to skyrocket.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 4:51:10 PM

Hey Toe love your ICON!!! I can read an imaginary unnamed book can't I?
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 2:44:13 PM

Uh huh....because a book titled obamacare survival guide sounds COMPLETELY unbiased to me

/s
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 1:15:30 PM

wf: "I am reading a book on Obama care and it looks like it will be terrific! "


Das Kapital?



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worryfree
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 1:00:00 PM

I am reading a book on Obama care and it looks like it will be terrific!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 12:48:29 PM

Paxman, I agree entirely with your last sentence. You last post, in general.
We need to bring down healthcare costs. Not just limit the speed of their increase, as the government tells us they "cut" government spending. If we can reduce healthcare costs, the insurance companies can keep premiums lower as they pay a portion of just about everything. And that is how we begin. I would do away with office visit deductibles. Most people pay $20 now, it used to be $5 or $10, but in any case there is a need for the doctor office to file the claim, and the insurance company to process it and send out payment. Eliminating office co-pays helps limit costs right at the source, and reduces the administrative burden at the insurance company level.
Next I would suggest that medical service providers must post their prices! Much like choosing a restaurant or a cel phone provider, people can shop and save by choosing what they really need and want!
Do either of my suggestions need legislation to impose them? No. They are market-based solutions.
A little bit of easing of regulations, somehow and somewhere, and maybe cutting out that really strange tax on medical devices and equipment. How was that going to reduce any costs? Having more taxes built into the structure of medical hardware is a sure way to increase costs, not decreas them!
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 8:10:11 AM

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Wait a minute. Didn't obumer and the democrats hatch this plan?
<<<

Actually, it started as a Republican plan. You know, Romneycare. It unfortunately is heath insurance reform. We need to do something to bring healthcare costs down.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 3:46:10 AM

"That's the Republican way, isn't it?"

Wait a minute. Didn't obumer and the democrats hatch this plan?
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 5:33:53 AM

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The only people who will do well under Obamacare is those who will get it free and funded out of everyone else's pockets.
<<<

Who's getting it free? This is about personal responsibility. If you don't have insurance, you would have to pay for it, or pay a penalty. That's the Republican way, isn't it? There are no freebies in Obamacare.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 3:25:57 AM

My brother who is self employed just told me that his 2013 health insurance bill just went up $800 for 2013. I am afraid that it will go up much more for 2014 and beyond.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:49:39 PM

The only people who will do well under Obamacare is those who will get it free and funded out of everyone else's pockets.

Liberal pundits argue "well that's what we are doing right now, so what's the difference?"

The difference will be a surge in demand for "free" services. Once you have the magic card in your pocket and your co-pays are waived due to income level? kaboom! Exploding costs to run it. I'm willing to bet right now that within 5 years (after Obama is safely retired in Hawaii), actual Obamacare costs will be TRIPLE of the original "pass it to find out what's in it".

The Middle Class is who will be held responsible for the tab for this forever -- and like any other govt entitlement, will be under-funded for generations to come.

Those who get it free could care less, vote Democrat to keep it free, get a 110% tax refund every year.


[Edited by: e_jeepin at 12/5/2012 12:53:11 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:07:05 AM

It also applies only to individuals earning over $200K of income (couples over $250K)

You can find the correct information at snopes.com, which is where I found the info for my posts.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:03:15 AM

"I have also learned that if you sell your home and it has a value of $200,000.00 there is now a 5% tax on it that will help to pay for Obama care."

You've learned wrong. The tax is 3.8% and it applies to profit on a home sale above the capital gains threshold. That makes it a tax on investment income.
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:00:57 AM

The book is called "Obamacare Survival Guide".

The book tells it like it is. The author gives the good points and bad points of each part and how it will effect individual groups.

From what I have read so far the only groups that will gain under this program are the uninsured and the age group;18-26 .

I talked to a former co-worker last night who has been retired for a few years. He told me that between his regular insurance and medicare that all his medical bills are covered. He should know since his wife just had major surgery. Unfortunately medicare is being gutted to the tune of 800 billion over the next ten years.

I have also learned that if you sell your home and it has a value of $200,000.00 there is now a 5% tax on it that will help to pay for Obama care. This goes into effect on January 1.

Also the threshold of where you can use deductions on your income tax concerning medical bills will raise from 7.5% to 10%.

I didn't vote for this guy, but I am having to pay more and more. You can bet that there will be plenty of hidden taxes to pay for this monster.

I will try to continue posting more updates as my reading progresses.
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Pard
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:16:02 PM

Obamacare is pretty much a colonoscopy without having to take Golightly first.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 6:43:03 PM

I am also an opponent of ObamaCare on many different levels. But the think I most object to is that we're paying and paying and paying with no end is in sight. It will necessarly and ultimately bankrupt the country.
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 11:13:07 AM

>>>WHAT is the name & author of the book????????<<<

Until we get an answer, my guess is that the book in question is the one described in this article.

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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 10:12:19 AM

"Waiting for the flying language police."

They only come around for liberals or under specific request for conservatives. Sorry, no help.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:19:16 AM

WHAT is the name & author of the book????????
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:12:05 AM

"Waiting for the flying language police. "

They never seem to be around when they're needed.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:39:02 AM

IRS aims to clarify investment income tax under healthcare law
"(Reuters) - The Internal Revenue Service has released new rules for investment income taxes on capital gains and dividends earned by high-income individuals that passed Congress as part of the 2010 healthcare reform law."

"The 159 pages of rules spell out when the tax applies to trusts and annuities, as well as to individual securities traders."

"Released late on Friday, the new regulations include a 0.9 percent healthcare tax on wages for high-income individuals."

Get reading, and start paying up!
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Hiram 615
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:54:22 AM

"So now it is clear who lied to us...:

Surely that mentioned but unnamed book has no particular political point of view...<sarcasm>

I on the other hand, being retired and recently on medicare, prefer to wait and see, then make my own evaluation, based on experience with, The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA).

[Edited by: Hiram 615 at 12/4/2012 8:01:02 AM EST]
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:02:14 AM

I am reading a new book on Obama Care. As I am nearing retirement, it is quite obvious that senior citizens will not fair well under Obama Care.

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So now it is clear who lied to us...

hope we remember in 2 & 4 years!
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 7:01:23 AM

Boy are we going to pay!
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Hiram 615
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 6:12:15 AM

goldseeker,
What book are you reading?
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Ladygator2007
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 6:03:58 AM

goldseeker, it is about to get even worse. Few are safe from this. The senate and congress are.. They are exempt.
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FluffyDogAttack
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 3:07:34 AM

Good luck! Don't think you're alone because you're a senior though. We're all getting screwed because of Obamacare.

Oh and it's just starting too. Wait until all the unintended consequences come to fruition as this crap weaves it's tendrils into every aspect of our lives.
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