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michaelphoenix2

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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 11:37:33 PM

Its the mega corps that are looking for new inventive ways to get in your business....

arstechnica com/tech-policy/2012/12/how-to-get-targeted-ads-on-your-tv-a-camera-in-your-set-top-box/

How to get targeted ads on your TV? Try a camera in your set-top box.
A set-top box could push ads based on what it sees and hears in your home.

by Casey Johnston - Dec 3 2012, 5:45pm CST
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Verizon has filed a patent for a DVR that can watch and listen to the goings-on in your living room. In the application, the company proposes to use the technology to serve targeted ads appropriate to whatever you’re doing in the, uh, privacy of your own home—fighting, cuddling, or hanging out with your cats.

Verizon is far from the first company to think of this unassailably creepy use for a set-top box. Comcast patented similar monitoring technology in 2008 for recommending content based on people it recognizes in the room; Google proposed yet another patent for Google TV that would use audio and video recorders to figure out how many people in a room are watching the current broadcast.

Verizon filed for the application in May 2011, and it was just published last week. (By law, all patent applications are published after 18 months.) In the document, which was first noticed by FierceCable, Verizon gives two examples of the context-sensitive DVR’s use in a couple’s living room: sounds of arguing prompt ads for marriage counseling, while sounds of “cuddling” prompts ads for contraceptives. Charming.

Generally, these uses of cameras and mics frighten the living daylights out of customers (understandably so), so all of these patents have yet to be put to use. Still, the wheels continue to turn in content providers’ heads about how to get eyes and ears in your living room, even as the creepiness factor persists.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: May 6, 2013 4:28:45 PM

Topic: It's not Big Brother you gotta worry about......

You might want to reconsider that statement in light of this:

Are all telephone calls recorded and accessible to the US government?
"(Tim) CLEMENTE: "No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not."

"All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we speak". - CNN's Erin Burnette interviewing Tim Clemente, former FBI Counterterrorism expert

" all digital communications - meaning telephone calls, emails, online chats and the like - are automatically recorded and stored and accessible to the government after the fact."

"That every single telephone call is recorded and stored would also explain this extraordinary revelation by the Washington Post in 2010:

"Every day, collection systems at the National Security Agency intercept and store 1.7 billion e-mails, phone calls and other types of communications."

"It would also help explain the revelations of former NSA official William Binney, who resigned from the agency in protest over its systemic spying on the domestic communications of US citizens, that the US government has "assembled on the order of 20 trillion transactions about US citizens with other US citizens" (which counts only communications transactions and not financial and other transactions),"

Big Brother is indeed alive and well and sucking up all electronic data transmitted in the USA.
The NSA's budget must be huge. This effort obviously has been going on for some time. A number of years.
Who's idea was this, anyway?

And why did
Drudge (right column, four articles below Hillary's picture) link to a British website for this story?
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 10:20:21 PM

In the current age and economy having the internet is not really an option. ISPs have monopolies or duopolies in most cities in America. We pay some of the highest rates for internet services in the world and have some of the slowest overall speeds of the developed countries. There is no competition between companies to drive prices down or increase speeds. If you decline internet service you severely limit your job prospects and opportunities.

This is the type of thing that needs to be legislated out of existence.
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 11:46:00 AM

I'd say my comment was spot on, especially considering his comment in his inauguration speech about collectivism. That fits perfectly with the Marx philosophy, or should I say ideology.


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 1/23/2013 11:46:44 AM EST]
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cymk
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 11:41:25 AM

mud>>>Socialism and communism also go back before Obama, but that hasn't stopped him from adopting ideas from Karl Marx as his own.<<<

LOL. Whats next comparing him to hitler? Blaming Bush jr didn't work for the democrats, just like blaming Obama isn't going to work for the republicans. Also try to stay on topic, we are talking about tech invading your privacy, not your jaded political views.
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 11:14:46 AM

cymk: "Sorry to burst your bubble but the idea of "internet as a human right" goes back as early as 2003 when the UN convened the World Summit on the Information Society; and probably even earlier than that."



Socialism and communism also go back before Obama, but that hasn't stopped him from adopting ideas from Karl Marx as his own.


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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 10:55:45 AM

AFSNCO>>>Sorry to burst your bubble but there is a huge difference between a right and a necessity. You have the right to be happy but you will survive without being happy.<<<

I never said there wasn't a difference, I pointed out that the idea began long before obama got into office. The idea of internet as a right isn't about making people happy, its about educating them, giving them access to information, and allowing them to prosper or fail on thier own.
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 5:07:21 PM

"Sorry to burst your bubble but the idea of "internet as a human right" goes back as early as 2003 when the UN convened the World Summit on the Information Society; and probably even earlier than that. Funny how that idea was born and fostered long before Obama became president."

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is a huge difference between a right and a necessity. You have the right to be happy but you will survive without being happy.
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cymk
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 3:58:23 PM

mud>>>Last time I checked internet access and cable TV weren't necessities of life, although I have no doubt that the Obamaphone will soon be followed by ObamaTV and ObamaISP, again to be paid for by other people or the printing of money.<<<<

Sorry to burst your bubble but the idea of "internet as a human right" goes back as early as 2003 when the UN convened the World Summit on the Information Society; and probably even earlier than that. Funny how that idea was born and fostered long before Obama became president.

Do people need cable TV and internet? No, history has shown humans can get along just fine without them; but with society embracing technology, those without access to the internet and cable TV are left in the dark.
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 1:12:31 PM

mp2: "Sure you can freely choose who you do business with. Unless you only have a single choice for an ISP or cable provider like most of America. "



Last time I checked internet access and cable TV weren't necessities of life, although I have no doubt that the Obamaphone will soon be followed by ObamaTV and ObamaISP, again to be paid for by other people or the printing of money.


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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 12:48:24 PM

The real trick will be getting it into consumers homes, but it will be easy enough since we are already used to sharing information for a free service (think facebook, google+, gmail, etc...).

Imagine "free" cable TV, all you have to do is allow them to fling ads at you all day long. Ten pages into the TOS agreement, you give up your right to privacy in your own home. Who knows, maybe we will have commercial free TV in exchange for content aware banner adds during your favorite show.
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 12:31:42 PM

Sure you can freely choose who you do business with. Unless you only have a single choice for an ISP or cable provider like most of America.
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 12:15:15 PM

ej: "We can freely choose yank the cord on the set top box"


Exactly! If you are going to worry about an entity more powerful than you are controlling your life, should you worry about the ones who you voluntarily choose or don't choose to do business with, or do you worry about the one who can do things without your permission and can use force against you?


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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 12:13:11 PM

I am sure there is a catch...just because they have a patent on something doesn't make it that they can and/or will do it...especially without your permission. They are probably looking at it down the road as a means to advertise and actually pay people for research purposes. I guess I do not know what the intended purpose of it would be.
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 10:59:31 AM

"A mega-corp wanting to place cameras in your living room and not one peep........"

I knew there had to be a red herring lurking somewhere in this thread

The OP conclusion fished for: "you must support this because you aren't posting here to denounce it"

No, its much simpler than that -- Government intrusion though clever wording in unrelated Bills (that nobody reads) can't be un-wound.

We can freely choose yank the cord on the set top box

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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 10:45:16 AM

How bout the -into now - app-- the tv show your watching connects to your phone with interesting facts and allows discussion during the live shows. I know our local Fox and food network were promoting it heavy last couple of months.
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 9:01:08 AM

Maybe it is Big Brother you gotta worry about........especially when Big Brother is Google and knows everything about you:

This guy, on the subway, can look at you and know everything about you.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:40:00 PM

See now there is a topic in the boards about the government storing data in a large data center and people are screaming bloody murder. A mega-corp wanting to place cameras in your living room and not one peep........
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:02:17 AM

What annoys me is that a lot of the time with these mega-corps (telecom industry especially) they essentially have monopolies in various regions and a gentleman's agreement between all of the telecoms to not go into each other's territory. So if a company like Verizon starts something like this you have little choice but to accept it of not have internet/cable.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 10:27:06 AM

Popcorn, we already have cameras in our homes; the sensor on your Wii or Kinect, the web cam on your ocmputer, or camera in our phones.

Its all a matter of just accessing the data the camera collects.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:14:10 AM

I Aint Letting no camera in my house.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 8:35:51 AM

Maybe it is Big Brother you gotta worry about......
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 12:01:08 AM

Its not Big Brother you gotta worry about.......(unless you're worry-free...)....

.....it's what you post about yourself on Facebook, and what you tweet! Your own self-made electronic big Brother won't forget what you have posted online. (Same goes for what you post on GasBuddy, unless you get banned, and unless the topics you post in get over four pages long!) The internet has a very, very long memory.
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