florida1541
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2012 10:19:54 AM
i stand corrected it is now my understanding that you can,t profit from a crime in which you are convicted but you can take donations and any moneys not raised as a direct result of the crime itself ? not sure what that means ? this case is filled with if,s and there is surely two sides we just have to wait and see what the good folks in fl have to say
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 9:42:54 PM
florida1541 said: "speed you can,t profit from crime period"
A lot of people have profited from crime for centuries. It doesn't make it right. Second, if Zimmerman profits from any crime, it'll be the crime that NBC committed.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 8:52:08 PM
AC-302, "I'd also like to know Martin's discipline record at High School AND what his criminal record was, if he had one"
Trayvon Martin Suspended From School Three Times
"The 17-year-old was suspended three times in a series of incidents that included getting caught spraying graffiti and carrying an empty baggie with traces of marijuana, according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by the Miami Herald.
The report details an incident from October, when a school police investigator said he spotted Martin on a surveillance camera 'hiding and being suspicious' in an unauthorized area at Krop High School.
The investigator later saw Martin mark a door with 'W.T.F.' or 'what the f--k,' the report said. When the school cop searched Martin's backpack the next day looking for the graffiti marker, he reported he found women's jewelry and a screwdriver described as a burglary tool', the report said.
According to the report, the 12 pieces of jewelry included silver wedding bands, earrings with diamonds and a watch. The investigator asked about the jewelry and 'Martin replied it's not mine. A friend gave it to me', the report said.
He declined to name the friend. The jewelry was impounded and photos of the pieces were sent to Miami-Dade police, but Martin was only suspended for the graffiti. No evidence was ever released that the jewelry was stolen"
Judge: George Zimmerman entitled to Trayvon Martin's school records, social media posts
"Though it sounds horrible to come before you and say, 'I really want to go after the victim's reputation,' that is simply what the Sixth Amendment tells us we have to do, O'Mara told the judge.
Nelson authorized his request to subpoena Trayvon's Twitter and Facebook posts. In self-defense cases, she said, if there's evidence that a victim had a violent past, it could be relevant.
The accounts were de-activated long ago, O'Mara said, but he believes they will reveal 'videos out there that suggest he (Trayvon) involved himself in MMA fighting.'
That's important because one eye-witness told investigators that he saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, straddling him 'MMA-style,' a reference to mixed-martial arts fighting, a combination of boxing, wrestling and martial arts.
Although the judge ordered the release of the school records, she pointed out that they will not be released to the media — and unless O'Mara can convince her they're relevant, jurors will never see them"
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 8:02:23 PM
florida, "if you stalk me and i fear you i,m going to try to do a lot worse than just break your nose"
That is what Martin did. Where is he now?
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 6:54:07 PM
It's a sad state of affairs. I'm sorry Treyvon Martin was shot. However, he did it to himself in that all he had to do was walk away. If he wouldn't have punched out Zimmerman, he'd have never got shot. I'd also like to know Martin's discipline record at High School AND what his criminal record was, if he had one. (I hadn't heard he had any record, btw, but I did hear he was a bit of a troublemaker at school. Would like more details).
Second moral of the story - Better think twice before picking on someone.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 6:16:14 PM
Florida, you can't change the fact that Trayvon Martin made a thug mistake. He thought that he could just jump whomever was following him and beat his ass without repercussions. Guess what? He picked the wrong person to jump on. Regardless of how the criminal case turns out, Trayvon Martin is dead. That fact won't change.
If someone was following me, that I didn't know I'd quit walking in the shadows near and behind buildings... Moving out to the roadway or sidewalk where I was very visible. I'd also call 9-1-1 on my cell phone and let the police know some guy was following me and that I felt in danger.
If Trayvon had taken those steps, he'd be alive today. The state's attorney has to convince 12 men and women who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty that George Zimmerman is guilty of Murder in the Second Degree. Not manslaughter or any other lesser charge. Keep in mind this is the same jurisdiction where Casey Anthony was found not guilty.
I think half of Florida is going to lose its collective mind when the verdict comes in.
Moral: Never bring Skittles to a gunfight.
[Edited by: Bell30012 at 12/20/2012 6:17:24 PM EST]
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 5:46:12 PM
florida1541, "what would you do if you found someone stalking you and you had no idea who they were or why they are following you?"
1) Call the police.
2) If I got away I would stay away.
3) I would NEVER attack an armed man with a bag of skittles.
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florida1541
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:54:38 PM
what would you do if you found someone stalking you and you had no idea who they were or why they are following you?
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florida1541
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:52:17 PM
if you stalk me and i fear you i,m going to try to do a lot worse than just break your nose
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:48:49 PM
I hope Zimmerman prevails over NBC and winds up a rich man at their expense. I also hope that the judge FORCES NBC to make a very public apology during prime time news to Mr. Z.
So, it turns out that Zimmerman really was "punched out" by Martin. Hmmm...
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florida1541
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:47:26 PM
speed you can,t profit from crime period
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:22:18 PM
George Zimmerman will be a rich man after NBC, or whichever network it was that edited the 9/11 tape, has to pay him off for their wrongdoing.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:19:14 PM
florida, "... it is my opioion that he is guilty, now we just have to wait for the courts to catch up "
Guilty of what, shooting a man that broke his nose and pounded his head into the pavement several times?
What would you do in that situation, would you let the assault on you continue until who knows when?
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 11:43:03 AM
Bell30012, "...and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever"
We are getting closer to that every day.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 11:09:05 AM
cop video giving dui test
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florida1541
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 9:35:27 AM
bell, nice quotes, but the fact is innocent people go to jail everyday and the guilty walk free every day we are human and make mistakes ,it is my opioion that he is guilty, now we just have to wait for the courts to catch up
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 9:15:50 AM
George Zimmerman is a layman. He is not a member of the bar association and bound by their rules, ethics and cannons. While you may think it is unfair, the state's attorney has the burden of proof and a high standard to achieve. In addition, the rules specifically state that the state's attorney HAS to provide the defense with all evidence in the case. It's called discovery. It's not optional, it is required. Failing to do so is a breach of ethics and has repercussions. It could also hurt their case in court.
The state's attorney's office also has advantages. They have vast resources at their disposal for gathering of evidence and investigation. They have the police who can much more effectively interrogate a potential witness than any attorney. This is our system. It has worked for a couple hundred years.
"Better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent suffer." - Sir William Blackstone 1765
"It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, 'whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,' and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever." - John Adams
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 8:46:06 AM
florida, et al, which happened first, Zimmerman had his nose broken and his head smashed into the ground several times or Martin gets shot?
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 8:12:22 AM
and remember starnger things have happened , isaw a interview with george where he took the media to the location and tryed to explian what happened is,nt that wrong to try to persafed the public and from what i saw he had to be floowing martin because he was to far into the cut through to just be looking for a road sing and remember he lives there so i would expect he would know exactly where he was if not i don,t want him being a neighbor hood watch leader in my complex.
as for the d.a i wll reserve judgement at this time
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:50:08 AM
johnnyg1200, I can't imaging a jury finding Zimmerman guilty of murder despite all of the evidence that we have seen for self-defense.
OTOH, I never thought that Clinton or Obama could be re-elected when so much was known about their corruption and failures.
Courts are have become an unpredictable crap shoot, where justice is simply the red-headed stepchild.
[Edited by: Panama19 at 12/20/2012 12:55:26 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 12:46:09 PM
Panama19; Don’t apologizes for the link mistake. It is more informative in showing the depth of the fraudulent conduct of the prosecutor. It also shows that the photo is NOT the only thing that the prosecutor is playing games with. If the prosecutor has such a solid case why does he have to hid and manipulate the evidence? He may get a conviction doing this but if he is caught the case will be overturned on appeal.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 7:26:55 AM
"If Angela Corey is found guilty of her crimes in a court of law, will you accept that verdict?"
IF she is charged, and IF has her day in court, why wouldn't I accept it?
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 12:38:21 AM
johnnyg1200, "I don’t know if that was a mistake or intentional"
It was a mistake for which I apologized and gave the correct link to the picture issue.
Unfortunately, this has scrolled off the end of this topic, so I apologize for my error once more and attach the correct link again here.
[Edited by: Panama19 at 12/19/2012 12:40:55 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 12:27:50 AM
florida's flawed thinking on this case shows at least he has the guts to come out and say what the rest have wanted to say. They keep saying they want the truth but all they want to do is see Zimmerman hang.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 12:20:56 AM
“”””””””””so lets wait for all the facts first because as unfair as it is if i was on the jury george would be doing time and a lot of it””””””””””
This guy should run for elected office. He would fit right in with the rest of the politicians in Washington. Once they have made up their mind they don’t let facts get in the way either.
[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 12/19/2012 12:22:42 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 12:07:16 AM
"so lets wait for all the facts first because as unfair as it is if i was on the jury george would be doing time and a lot of it"
I am sorry but I cannot even be nice here. You say wait for the facts yet you have already convicted him in your mind. Do you realize how dumb that is?
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:57:06 PM
Florida1541 “”””there must be something i missed because the only thing that i,m aware of is the photo that was given that was black and white which the judge ordered the d,a to hand over the colored version and not just a black and white”””””””
If I understand you question/statement correctly, and correct me if I am wrong, the only thing that the prosecution has withheld was the photo. If you use the link in the original post you will see it doesn’t go to a motion on the photo. I don’t know if that was a mistake or intentional. It is a link to the motion dated 30 November 2012 requesting access and information on witness 8 and recordings of interviews with her. The witness that the prosecution says will “blow the self defense claim out of the water.” The prosecution has not provided the original recording of an interview with the witness. They have withheld the age of the witness and they have refused to provide the original device the recording was made with. What they have provided is a bad copy of the interview that was edited and hard to understand. The prosecution claims they can’t force the owner of the recording device to turn it over to authorities because it is private property. That claim in its self is nothing more than the product of the south end of a north bound steer. All it would take is a subpoena. By Florida law the prosecution is required to turn over ALL evidence in its original form for examination.
Why is the prosecution stonewalling?
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 8:25:03 PM
You say that Trayvon's record is speculation because it is sealed. However, you claim that George Zimmerman has a record including violence. George Zimmerman wasn't convicted. Let's be fair if you are going to bring up something tell that he was not convicted of any offense.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 8:11:38 PM
florida, "he has according to the reports here some misdamener charges shoplifting and a suppinsion from school for a small amount of weed, now that is simply my understanding it is also my understanding that george has severly including violence"
Since Martin's record is sealed, your claim is just speculation.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 6:49:51 PM
The witness that on day one stated that Trayvon was on top of George beating his face pretty much guarantees a reasonable doubt in this case. It only takes one juror with a reasonable doubt. The prosecutor needs all 12 to NOT have a reasonable doubt. Murder two will be a hard stretch in this case, especially with that sweet angelic Trayvon not taking the stand.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 12:38:36 PM
florida1541, "panama : please stop saying all the evidence to date says zimmerman acted legaly i am from fl and i don,t know what info you get in ky but its not a fact here i can,t serve on the jury because i have already found george guilty but again i would be careful and remember your opion is just that your opion"
It doesn't matter where you are from, it only matters how rational you are on this subject.
The news media from the beginning sensationalized the incident and played to the racist mobs in the streets. One of the false stories they spread was one that you apparently believe - that Zimmerman was following Martin.
The tapes between Zimmerman and the 911 dispatcher clearly show that this is not true. Martin had ducked between the rows of houses and Zimmerman lost sight of him. He got out of his truck to see where Martin had gone to tell the dispatcher and the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman said "O.K." and stopped.
The dispatcher asked later the address of Zimmerman's location for the police that were on their way and Zimmerman said that he was in a cut-through and couldn't see the addresses on the front of the houses. He went to the end of the street to get that address and was on his way back to his truck when Martin accosted and assaulted him.
Martin had gotten away and was not being pursued by Zimmerman.
Even while being beaten severely Zimmerman did not go for his gun, but screamed for help instead. Only when he felt Martin's hand go down his side towards his gun did he draw and fire his weapon.
Zimmerman showed far more restraint in this incident than he was legally required to show. All of the physical evidence and eyewitness evidence is consistent with Zimmerman's account of the incident.
I'm sorry you have convicted Zimmerman in your mind - against all of the evidence in this case.
You are a good example of the need for Voir Dire in court proceedings.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 11:03:23 AM
there must be something i missed because the only thing that i,m aware of is the photo that was given that was black and white which the judge ordered the d,a to hand over the colored version and not just a black and white the new prosacution was ordered by the gov, and a grand jury agreeed with the d,a there was enough evidence to bring charges, am i wrong ?
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:52:22 AM
can sorry !
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:51:54 AM
hope you an read that
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:51:28 AM
Black
; let me first apolgize for my lack of typeing skill and lit skills that being said does not take away from my opion, which i have a right to and maybe you being in virgina have a better idea or knowledge of the case than i do and sence i beleave that all the evidence is not in yet other wise i would have been thrown out and a judge just this week refused to let george off house arrest there must be something to it and yes thank god there are 12 people to a jury but was,nt there 12 to casey anthony,s jury , my last word you are intetled to yours as i,m am to mine and you have zero chance to sit on the jury the same can,not be said of me
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:29:44 AM
florida1541 - You posts are difficult to read. Please use proper capitalization and punctuation.
"so lets wait for all the facts first because as unfair as it is if i was on the jury george would be doing time and a lot of it"
Thank God there would be eleven other people on the jury. From the evidence that we know of and from what those who actually know exactly what the evidence is, George Zimmerman did not commit a crime but Trayvon Martin and Angela Corey have committed crimes. A court has already ruled against Angela Corey in this matter. Do you accept the verdict?
As has been said a lot of new compelling evidence would have to come out to find George Zimmerman guilty of any crime. Would you care to speculate on who would be illegally concealing that evidence?
[Edited by: BlackGumTree at 12/18/2012 10:35:51 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 10:07:37 AM
rumbleseat - "If George Zimmerman is found guilty, in a court of law, will you accept that?"
Yes, if that verdict is supported by the evidence.
Note that the police and prosecutor have already stated that the evidence does not even support a crime on the part of George Zimmerman.
Since then the prosecutor has been changed and the new prosecutor brought changes. Subsequently it was discovered that the new prosecutor was concealing evidence from the defense. Once that evidence was revealed via a court order to do so it has become clear that George Zimmerman did not commit a crime.
The only crimes that it appears that were committed were by Trayvon Martin and Angela Corey. Trayvon has already paid for his crime. If Angela Corey is found guilty of her crimes in a court of law, will you accept that verdict?
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:44:29 AM
so lets wait for all the facts first because as unfair as it is if i was on the jury george would be doing time and a lot of it
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:43:13 AM
martin was going from esy way to esy way to stay out of the rain so that he could back to his dad,s apartment that was suspisous to zimmerman
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:39:39 AM
but no pervious violence from martin
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:38:41 AM
he has according to the reports here some misdamener charges shoplifting and a suppinsion from school for a small amount of weed, now that is simply my understanding it is also my understanding that george has severly including voilence
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:35:35 AM
that is what george says there are no wittness to that the only wittness said is she heard screams for help and saw martin on top of george no where does it say anyone witnessed george pull the gun that is what he said he also said he thought martin was reaching for the gun and that is why he pulled it first not because he got his nose broke
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:34:06 AM
florida1541, "martin had just as much right to be there as zimmerman did and he did nothing wrong george started stalking him first and we know for a fact george hasd a history of aggressive behavior"
And what do we know of Martins history? Oh, not much because his criminal record has been sealed! Why is that, florida?
Some here have claimed that Martin has no criminal record with the police, but if that is so, how can there be a sealed record?
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:31:29 AM
also statements given here on the locale news is that george was,nt ask by anyone to be the leader he choice to do it himself because no one else wanted to do it so he appionted himself captain
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:31:21 AM
Florida1541, "wrong a child went to the store to get candy and a soda and a adult male followed him and stalked him causeing the boy to fear for his safety and then fought for his life and then was shoot by and armed asalent"
No, the young man was being observed because he was acting suspicious. If he was "concerned for his safety, he would have called his dad or the police. Instead, he called his girlfriend.
Florida, if you are concerned for your safety, who would you call, the police or your girlfriend?
It was Zimmerman that fought for his life, this is obvious because Zimmerman waited until AFTER his nose was broken and his head smashed in the sidewalk several times before he pulled the gun.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:27:32 AM
martin had just as much right to be there as zimmerman did and he did nothing wrong george started stalking him first and we know for a fact george hasd a history of aggressive behavor
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:25:38 AM
other wise stay in your veichle and let the police do thier jobs do not follow someone between buildings just because you don,t reginize them
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:24:16 AM
Courts are not always right.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:23:45 AM
wrong a child went to the store to get candy and a soda and a adult male followed him and stalked him causeing the boy to fear for his safety and then fought for his life and then was shoot by and armed asalent
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2012 9:04:16 AM
""panama : please stop saying all the evidence to date says zimmerman acted legaly i am from fl and i don,t know what info you get in ky but its not a fact here i can,t serve on the jury because i have already found george guilty but again i would be careful and remember your opion is just that your opion ""
I am Sorry Florida that you feel that someone defending them self from being attacked by a would be Burglar is guilty of Murder????
Any form of MURDER precludes PREMEDITATION. The thought of using the gun only occurred to Zimmerman while he was on the ground getting his head bashed into the cement.
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