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AFSNCO

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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 5:04:21 PM

But what Costas didn't tell you!

"To put it bluntly, criminals are not typical citizens. About 90 percent of adult murderers have an adult criminal record. They tend to have low IQs and long histories of social problems. Murders are also very heavily concentrated among minorities in urban areas. Over 70 percent of murders occur in about 3 percent of the counties in the US. Even if our country passed laws banning guns, most of these murderers are not the kind of people who are going to voluntarily turn in their weapons."
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 6:54:03 AM

BGT, stop trying to start arguments over nothing.
If my posting something just for people to think about, nothing more, nothing less, is too hard a concept to understand, I am sorry.
I imply nothing, and I didn't write the article.
I realize the concept of "food for thought" is possibly new to you, that isn't my fault.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 8:50:04 PM

Socialists understood the importance of gun control.

On Nov. 8, The New York Times reported from Berlin, “Berlin Police Head Announces ‘Disarming’ of Jews,” explaining: “The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been ‘disarmed’ with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition.

Nov. 9, Adolph Hitler, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels and other Nazi chiefs planned the attack. Orders went out to Nazi security forces: “All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately . Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire . The Führer wishes that the police does not intervene. All Jews are to be disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot immediately.”

Nov. 10: “Nazis Smash, Loot and Burn Jewish Shops and Temples,” a headline read. “One of the first legal measures issued was an order by Heinrich Himmler, commander of all German police, forbidding Jews to possess any weapons whatever and imposing a penalty of twenty years confinement in a concentration camp upon every Jew found in possession of a weapon hereafter.”4 Thousands of Jews were taken away.
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 5:08:21 PM

Guns don't kill people. In fact the person behind the gun doesn't kill a person. The person behind the gun points it at a "noun," pulls the trigger which releases a projectile that could possibly kill a person!

[Edited by: eldiablopoco at 12/14/2012 5:09:47 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 4:57:47 PM

Twenty children and 8 adults at last report.
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 2:50:08 PM

There are 18-20 children who have been killed, with a death toll close to 30. This happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

If you still care to count this is number 32 and only the 5th this year.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 10:21:39 AM

rumbleseat - "A different people, a different point of view."

I think you misunderstood the purpose of this thread: It is about a Gun Control Rant by Bob Costas and rants by others, not about another culture that is less violent because of Gun Control which you implied. Your posting appears to imply that Gun Control in Japan was the reason for less violence while flyboyUT correctly pointed out that it was due to the culture and not to Gun Control. He also pointed out that the Swiss also have a different culture that minimizes violence that is not due to Gun Control.

Please keep your posts pertinent to the purpose of the thread and not go off on a tangent which gives a false impression and adds nothing to the discussion of the topic.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2012 7:20:31 AM

Isn't murder already banned?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 12:28:01 AM

No not realy.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 12/13/2012 12:28:47 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 11:51:45 PM

>>Now that we have that rabbit trail out of the way, deal with gunonformation.com's rebuttal of the data you linked in the Townhall article.<<

Nice try, Marty, but I'm sure you know by now that whenever flyboy is asked to back up - with facts - the rantings of whatever right-wing source he's parroting, well, let's just say it ain't gonna happen. Never has, probably never will. And why is that? Because he can't prove that anything he writes is true. Because it isn't. It's simply opinions of others that jibe with his opinions. They write what he wants to see, like all those right-wing polls that showed Romney leading. And, like seemingly the overwhelming majority of righties, if he sees something that he wants to be true, then in his mind it is - facts be damned! And he has the unmitigated gall to hypocritically mock others for doing what, in fact, is exactly what HE is doing!

Want proof? Well, it's right here in this very thread. He posted another deceitful piece from Townhall.com (that, of course, says exactly what he wants to hear), pretends that they actually proved their point, and finishes off with his usual idiotic liberal-bashing b.s. remark. Then, when Marty provides his rebuttal, flyboy childishly attacks the source and attacks Marty as "believ[ing] the moon is made of green cheese". But does he provide any facts or analysis? No, of course not - only more links to right-wing opinions with, as usual, NO LINKS TO ANY DATA. Heck, even if gun crime truly did "soar by 35 percent" last year (link, please), was it because the UK instituted a ban just last year? Townhall and flyboy sure would have you believe that they did.

But here are some FACTS...
- from the Home Office: "Overall, firearms were reported to have been used in 11,227 recorded crimes in 2010/11, the seventh consecutive annual fall and a 13 per cent decrease on 2009/10." But...but...that's not what flyboy's right-wing link said.

- from the fine folks at gunpolicy.org: there were 138 gun deaths in the UK in 2009. That's it - 138. And 101 of them were suicides. There were only 18 gun homicides - 2.5% of all homicides, a miniscule number compared to the U.S.'s 65%. And the UK's rate of firearm homicide is around 4 per 10 MILLION people, while the U.S.'s rate is over 300, or 75 TIMES HIGHER.

But that's ok. Being the kind of guy I am, I'm more than happy to give flyboy yet another chance to prove that what he wrote is true - to back up the numbers he's basing his mocking comments on. To take responsibility - FOR ONCE - for what he posted.
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 11:23:23 PM

Johnny - do you really think that facts and examples of 'proper use' of guns adn law and other minor obstacles like that will deflect the anger and determination to take away all them thar dangerous guns the Progs and libs keep having attacks of???

Reason and logic just aint their strong point on that subject.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 11:04:24 PM

RockCity I will concede to your point that people have been tragically killed with guns.
But short of doing away with the second amendment what is your answer? Even if you out law then you won’t be able to get them out of the hand of the outlaws. People do have legitimate reasons to own guns. I have guns and use them to hunt. One of my brother inlaws uses his guns to supply almost all of the meat for his family. The rest comes from the chickens his wife raises and the fish he get off his trout line in the Missouri river. One other thing they use their guns for is to kill the coyotes, opossums, raccoons and foxes that have killed their livestock.

You gave 31 examples of tragedies now it’s my turn.
Here is well over 70 cases where a gun saved the life of a victim.
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Lives being saved because of a gun.
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Now just in my little part of the world.

This is just St. Louis in the last two years.

17 May 2012; The dead man was identified Thursday as Jerome Burse, 38. Police say Burse, who had a gun, and a second man armed with a knife broke into a home in the 4700 block of Labadie Avenue at about 2:30 p.m. Wednesday. No charges are being filed against the resident who fired the fatal shot.

26 Sept 2011; Police say Sylvester Williams, 47, was fatally shot in the shoulder as he was burglarizing the home on Maple, in the city's West End neighborhood. Williams lived in the 3000 block of Arlington Avenue, about two miles away from the home he burglarized.
24 Sept 2011; A house sitter shot and killed a suspected burglar who kicked in the door of a home being rehabbed in the 2800 block of Magnolia Avenue early Friday, St. Louis police say.
St. Charles is just across the Merrimac River from St. Louis so I will include this one. By the way read the full story linked.
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Intruder Killed During Apparent Home Invasion
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Would you be willing to bet your wife’s life on the cops getting coming to the rescue before a 20 year old man beat your 56 year old wife to death? Not me. Remember when seconds’ count the cops are only minutes away.
By the way the intruder was unarmed so the only gun was the one used to save the woman’s life. The home owner did ever thing he could to avoid shooing this nut.

It is a well known fact that if a pizza driver is caught with a gun he will lose his job. because of this type of thing drivers are becoming easy targets. The companies send drivers into warzones and then expect them to just die.

In 2004, in St. Louis Pizza Hut fired a delivery driver who shot and killed a robber while on the job, citing its company policy against employees carrying weapons.

28 Dec 2007 in St. Louis A Domino’s pizza deliveryman who shot and killed a would-be robber in Pagedale has a valid permit to carry a weapon and appears to have acted in self-defense, according to St. Louis County police. This driver was also fired.

Because of this we now have this happening.
A pizza delivery driver was shot in the head and killed while making a run in north St. Louis on Saturday, police said. Dan Maksimenko, 22, of Ballwin was dispatched from a Northwood Imo's Pizza to the 2100 block of Erick Avenue around 1 a.m.
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Imo's driver shot and killed on delivery in north St. Louis .
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Then less than six months later.
6 Nov 2012 St. Louis DELLWOOD, Mo. (KMOV) — Police say an Imo’s Pizza delivery driver was shot and killed after being robbed of pizzas and his cellphone in Dellwood neighborhood Monday night.
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[L=http://www.kmov.com/news/editors-pick/text deleted delivery driver shot, killed in Dellwood neighborhood [/L]
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Since then we have had a driver smashed in the face with a brick and another one beaten.

All because the thugs know the drivers are unarmed and they can just take the pizzas if the kill or beat the driver.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 12/12/2012 11:09:19 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 10:02:22 PM

Bob Costas just can’t seem to keep his mouth shut, even when he should for poetencal legal reasons. NBC is being sued for defamation of character in its doctoring of the Zimmerman 911 tape and he decides to go on the air and run his mouth. If I was Zimmerman’s lawyers I would move to have a gag order placed on NBC covering all Zimmerman topics.
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Bob Costas Sounds Off on Zimmerman Case, Ignoring Suit Against Sportscaster’s Network
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[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 12/12/2012 10:04:14 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 8:56:03 AM

April 1999 - two teenage schoolboys shot and killed 12 schoolmates and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, before killing themselves.

July 1999 - a stock exchange trader in Atlanta, Georgia, killed 12 people including his wife and two children before taking his own life.

September 1999 - a gunman opened fire at a prayer service in Fort Worth, Texas, killing six people before committing suicide.

October 2002 - a series of sniper-style shootings occurred in Washington DC, leaving 10 dead.

August 2003 - in Chicago, a laid-off worker shot and killed six of his former workmates.

November 2004 - in Birchwood, Wisconsin, a hunter killed six other hunters and wounded two others after an argument with them.

March 2005 - a man opened fire at a church service in Brookfield, Wisconsin, killing seven people.

October 2006 - a truck driver killed five schoolgirls and seriously wounded six others in a school in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania before taking his own life.

April 2007 - student Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people and wounded 15 others at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, before shooting himself, making it the deadliest mass shooting in the United States after 2000.

August 2007 - Three Delaware State University students were shot and killed in “execution style” by a 28-year-old and two 15-year-old boys. A fourth student was shot and stabbed.

September 2007 - A freshman student at Delaware State University shot and wounded two other students at a campus dining hall.

December 2007 - a 20-year-old man killed nine people and injured five others in a shopping center in Omaha, Nebraska.

December 2007 - a woman and her boyfriend shot dead six members of her family on Christmas Eve in Carnation, Washington.

February 2008 - a shooter who is still at large tied up and shot six women at a suburban clothing store in Chicago, leaving five of them dead and the remaining one injured.

February 2008 - a man opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois, killing five students and wounding 16 others before laying down his weapon and surrendering.

July 2008 – A former student shot three people in a computer lab at South Mountain Community College, Phoenix, Arizona.

September 2008 - a mentally ill man who was released from jail one month earlier shot eight people in Alger, Washington, leaving six of them dead and the rest two wounded.

October 2008 - Several men in a car drove up to a dormitory at the University of Central Arkansas and opened fire, killing two students and injuring a third person.

December 2008 - a man dressed in a Santa Claus suit opened fire at a family Christmas party in Covina, California, then set fire on the house and killed himself. Police later found nine people dead in the debris of the house.

March 2009 - a 28-year-old laid-off worker opened fire while driving a car through several towns in Alabama, killing 10 people.

March 2009 - a heavily-armed gunman shot dead eight people, many of them elderly and sick people, in a private-owned nursing home in North Carolina.

March 2009 - six people were shot dead in a high-grade apartment building in Santa Clara, California.

April 2009 – An 18-year-old former student followed a pizza deliveryman into his old dormitory, and shot the deliveryman, a dorm monitor, and himself at Hampton University, Virginia.

April 2009 - a man shot dead 13 people at a civic center in Binghamton, New York.

July 2009 - Six people, including one student, were shot in a drive-by shooting at a community rally on the campus of Texas Southern University, Houston.

November 2009 - U.S. army psychologist Major Nidal Hasan opened fire at a military base in Fort Hood, Texas, leaving 13 dead and 42 others wounded.

February 2010 – A professor opened fire 50 minutes into at a Biological Sciences Department faculty meeting at the University of Alabama, killing three colleagues and wounding three others

January 2011 - a gunman opened fire at a public gathering outside a grocery in Tuscon, Arizona, killing six people including a nine-year-old girl and wounding at least 12 others. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was severely injured with a gunshot to the head.

July 2012 - Masked gunman opens fire at midnight cinema screen of new Batman film The Dark Knight Rises, killing 12 and injuring 58. Suspect James Holmes is arrested by oplice and awaiting trial.

August 2012 - Gunman kills six people at SIkh temple in Wisconsin before being shot dead by police. Suspect is named as white supremacists Wade Michael Page.

September 2012 - A man fired from his job at a Minneapolis sign-making business pulled out a handgun and began shooting up its offices, fatally wounding the owner and four others before turning the gun on himself, police said Friday.

December 2012 - Gunman opens fire in Oregon at the Clackamas County Mall, killing three people including himself.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 11:43:07 PM

I communicate fairly well with most folks Marty - maybe you need to learn to read better.

As far as eh info - read teh whole article Marty - reading is fundamental.

There is information discussing it if you look Marty.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 10:26:56 PM

"Marty did I ever say that Townhall was an unbiased source?"

You didn't say it; you implied it. If you're being misunderstood, learn to communicate better. You might find it helpful to stick to the topic.

Now that we have that rabbit trail out of the way, deal with gunonformation.com's rebuttal of the data you linked in the Townhall article.
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 9:35:16 PM

Marty did I ever say that Townhall was an unbiased source? Why do you continue to attempt to place false statement on people and think its acceptable?

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 12/11/2012 9:36:08 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 9:27:16 PM

"When your source never even identifies itself except as being ainti gun - why am I not surprised that they dont like guns"

This from a guy who links Townhall as an unbiased source.

smh

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 12/11/2012 9:29:29 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 9:22:29 PM

Marty your free to believe the moon is made of green cheese too. When your source never even identifies itself except as being ainti gun - why am I not surprised that they dont like guns....ROTFL.....

Tell you what how about we post a bunch of NRA stuff to balance it out.

Of course we could look here to find any statistic you want.
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>>>"The figures will continue to be dreadful until the Government produces a coherent long term strategy to attack crime at its roots and get police visibly back on our streets."

Gun crime would not be cracked until gangs were broken up and the streets "reclaimed for the honest citizen by proper neighbourhood policing", he added.

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Simon Hughes said the figures must prompt "a new, tougher approach" towards people who carry guns.

"Gangs which use and glorify guns as status symbols must be relentlessly targeted by the police," he added.

Home Office statistics showed gun crime has soared by nearly 600% since 1978 - when there were 1,437 firearms offences.

Gun crime has also increased by 65% since 1996, the year before Labour came to power.

Publishing today's figures, Home Office minister John Denham said: "I am concerned at the significant rise that we have seen in firearm offences.<<<
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 4:05:27 PM

MYTH: The crime rate has been skyrocketing in the UK and Australia since stricter gun control laws were enacted in 1996-1997.

TRUTH: The truth is that the UK police has changed its system for recording crime since implementing new gun control laws. This change in recording crime made it appear that the crime rate went up. The British Crime Survey, which was unaffected by this change, shows a decrease in crime. Go to the section under violent crime in the British Crime Survey. "The increase in violent crime recorded by police, in contrast to estimates provided from the BCS, appears to be largely due to increased recording by police forces.


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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 2:56:27 PM

Another victory for freedom.
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>>>In a victory for the Second Amendment and self defense advocates everywhere, Judge Richard Posner ruled in the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit Tuesday that the Illinois ban on carrying a firearm outside of the home for self-defense purposes is unconstitutional.

“One doesn’t have to be a historian to realize that a right to keep and bear arms for personal self-defense in the eighteenth century could not rationally have been limited to the home. . . . Twenty-first century Illinois has no hostile Indians. But a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk than in his apartment on the 35th floor,” Posner said.
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Shepard filed the case after she and an 83-year-old co-worker were violently attacked inside their church by a 245 pound criminal with a long rap sheet back in 2009. Shepard and her co-worker luckily survived, but each had to recover from many severe injuries to their heads, necks and upper bodies. Shepard has undergone many extensive surgeries and attends ongoing physical therapy to recover.

“Today’s ruling is a victory for all law abiding citizens in Illinois and gun owners throughout the country,” Executive Vice President of the NRA Wayne LaPierre said. “The court recognized that the text and history of the Second Amendment guarantee individuals the right to carry firearms outside the home for self-defense and other lawful purposes. In light of this ruling, Mary Shepard and the people of Illinois will finally be able to exercise their Second Amendment rights.”<<<

Every once in awhile reason gets a chance to be applied to reality.

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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 1:55:28 PM

Hey Marty - it aint working so well in places where they tried what you want to do.
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>>>Since NBC sportscaster Bob Costas gave us an anti-gun lecture two weeks ago during Sunday Night Football, we've heard a lot from progressives like Juan Williams, Bob Beckel and anti-gun advocacy groups about how countries in Europe with strict gun control laws don't have problems with gun crime. We've also heard the reason the United States has a "gun crime problem" is because we allow citizens to own handguns however, the numbers on violent crime committed using a gun tell a different story.

New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent. The Government's latest crime figures were condemned as "truly terrible" by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.

Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.<<<

Kind of looks like another liberaly 'feel good' idea that has serious bad consequences. Once more the progs/libs dont seem to be able to look at consequences for what they want.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 5:01:00 PM

Marty, so you expect criminals to just bring their guns in and sell them. Got ya...

Um wow...

Marty is living on a river in Egypt.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 3:34:36 PM

What chu been smokin Marty to think that will do any good?

Every place that concept has been tried the criminals keep their guns and the law abiding citizens give up theirs. Net result is the law abiding folks are worse off than before.

Try again fella - try something that will work maybe.
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 3:31:44 PM

"Marty, what is your plan for getting guns out of the hands of criminals?"

Buy them, melt them down, and make manhole covers.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 12/10/2012 3:32:44 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 1:24:06 PM

And still and again why Marty et al have run out of logical discussion they revert back to being five year olds hiding behind the playground dumpsters.

Such thoughtful logical ideas Marty NOT!
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:27:29 AM

Middletownmarty quipped: "Maybe we should compromise. I'll allow abortion to be made illegal if you'll allow the same for guns. No? Didn't think so."

--Marty - I'm not a far right winger. In fact, I'm probably about as centrist and libertarian as they come. In BOTH cases, I find these to be matters of personal choice. IN BOTH CASES the laws must exist to ALLOW both things in order for BOTH positions to coexist. By allowing something, you may CHOOSE to opt out of it on a personal basis. You don't want to own a gun? You think guns are bad? Great. So don't own one. You don't want your family member, etc. etc to have an abortion? Great. Don't have one. But don't prevent MY family member from doing so if that's what they choose as their best solution.

The problem as I see it, Marty, is that the liberal Democrats want to control people's behavior just as badly as you accuse the right Republicans of doing so. The Dems are, of course, also wont to have the government make the choices for everyone and be all things to all people. So how much government is best? Less.
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:16:00 AM

Marty, what is your plan for getting guns out of the hands of criminals? Just wondering...because we cannot even get our system to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law for driving under the influence yet you somehow think taking guns off the street will solve crime issues.
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 6:17:54 AM

Crap, as I predicted.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 10:30:05 PM

Hey fly, look at the deal Middletown's crossdresser has offered -- he promises to spare the lives of 1.4 million babies that are murdered every year -- IF you'll agree to eviscerate the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

In udder words, if you don't go for it, he gonna let the baby killing continue.

[Edited by: ministorage at 12/9/2012 10:35:20 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 10:18:56 PM

tes: "It's halftime and Bob Costas just concluded a discussion of the dangers of drunk driving."


I saw that too. I've had enough of this sanctimonious ahole. NFL players aren't any different than anyone else, including making bad decisions.


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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 10:12:39 PM

Lets see here now your concession/compromise revolves around the actual murder of childern. Yet you want me to give up an inamamate object that may or may not involve the justifiable killing of something or other. Something that I and millions of others have used to feed their families adn protect them from harm. That is your concession/compromise???? Better yet leave abortion out of it since your dont seem to wish to understand it. Lets just discuss the number of folks unjustly killed with a gun per year vs those "accidently" killed with our transportation system. Logic would say if you are really concerned about saving lives you would leave guns alone and eliminate the transportation system.

Marty you are out to lunch in so many ways its not worth the effort to bother to educate you regarding guns and responsibility. From my linked article "Do mainstream media pundits really care about the real causes, or do they just want to promote their liberal agenda?" Let me adjust that a tad to fit your skewed thinking Marty --- ----- Do some lamestream liberals from Connecticut really care about the real causes of unneeded deaths, or do they just want to promote their strange liberal ideology that actually results in what they wish - or say they wish to avoid?

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 12/9/2012 10:13:45 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 10:03:35 PM

Let's all have a moment of silence now in recognition of the one week anniversary of the infamous Costas rant.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 10:01:45 PM

"Jerry Brown dead, Dallas Cowboy's teammate Josh Brent arrested in drunken car crash. Will Bob Costas rant today about the easy access to cars and booze."

It's halftime and Bob Costas just concluded a discussion of the dangers of drunk driving.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 9:19:26 PM

Maybe we should compromise. I'll allow abortion to be made illegal if you'll allow the same for guns.

No? Didn't think so.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 8:54:46 PM

Interesting viewpoint
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>>>Do mainstream media pundits really care about the real causes, or do they just want to promote their liberal agenda? How else does Jason Whitlock get from Jovan Belcher to “the NRA is the new KKK”?

Imagine that the real reasons for this crime were conclusively shown to involve a complex interplay of factors including drug and alcohol abuse, domestic abuse, sexual competition and a lack of a healthy marriage relationship. In that case, is there any doubt that liberal elites would suddenly lose interest in the admissibility of causation? “Move along, folks, nothing to see here.”

Unarmed, Kasandra Perkins had no chance against Jovan Belcher’s homicidal fury. Sadly, liberal pundits lash out against the Second Amendment rather than seeking to address the problems that truly caused Perkins’ heartbreaking death.<<<
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 8:29:50 PM

"I am not surprised" marty - you dont care about all those people who porperly used a gun to save someone's life. You dont care about the thousands of kids or others killed by vehicle accidents and for sure you dont give a flip about the millions of children murdered because you and others feel its only a 'choice'. So dont even tell me that I dont care ok.

As far as the 2nd ammendment rights we hold dear - may I say I dont agree with your desire to remove them from our rights. If you choose to not own ot use a gun - fine thats your choice. My choice was to own them at one time. Except in the defense of my country, I was lucky and glad I never had to fire one.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 5:43:33 PM

A country with "gun control" is a country of Slaves.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 5:41:39 PM

"Hummmm Marty can ask what he considers loaded questions but doesnt chose to answer them when turned back on him."

I've already answered in another topic where that subject was more appropriate. More to the point, you already know my answer.

Back to the topic, I think the Second Amendment has outlived its usefulness and I would not oppose its repeal. If the opportunity to repeal it ever presents, I will vote in favor.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 12/9/2012 5:43:12 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 5:30:57 PM

flyboy, I think you may be onto something.

Girl, 7, killed by pickup in parking lot

Boy, 7, Killed In Car vs. Big Rig Crash Near Gilroy

Girl, 7, Killed Crossing Street in Hit-and-Run crash

Better close railway museums down also (sorry 'bout that, jayrad)...

Boy, 7, killed in steam engine accident at museum

Perhaps we should keep 7 year-olds locked inside their rooms...for their safety, of course.

[Edited by: ministorage at 12/9/2012 5:33:45 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 5:13:00 PM

Hummmm Marty can ask what he considers loaded questions but doesnt chose to answer them when turned back on him. Hummmmmm.

Marty dont you care about all them millions of kids murdered on purpose??????? Where is your vaunted self appointed compassion for people????

Tell you what Marty I will let you just deal with the thousands of kids killed by cars every year - dont you care about them either?????

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 12/9/2012 5:14:35 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 2:09:46 PM

SemiSteve chided: "Tarred and feathered for stating the obvious"

--But that's not politically correct, Steve. Is it obvious? Or is Costas saying that one race of people have lower IQ and histories of social problems? But then again, it comes down to the age old argument as to whether problems in minority communities are problems of individual responsibility, or problems with dysfunctional society? Since plenty of peaceful productive citizens come from minority communties, my tendency is to the former (individual responsibility lacking), rather than the later.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:36:04 AM

Marty are you concerned/feel bad about the millions of kids your tax dollars pay to kill each year - on purpose - not by accident?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:10:14 AM

"No not really."

I'm not surprised.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:00:40 AM

No not really. It is a sad sorry example of what could happen if supposed intelligent people dont practice common sense safety when handling a gun.

Once in my life a firearm fired when I specifically did not want it to. Since I had the gun pointed in a safe direction at the tiem (one of them gun safety things Marty) no harm was done. The firearm was proven to be faulty. The trigger mechanism had broken.

As to why did the child have to die - he didnt. If his dad would have practiced common sense safety measures the incident would not have happened. One of the first things you are taught in gun safety is to treat every gun as if its loaded. The second thing you are taught is to never point a gun at what you dont want to shoot. That father broke two of the cardinal rules of gun safety.

But Marty dont you feel uncomfortable knowing that your government is paying for the killing of millions of babies every year. Are you more worried about the life of one who accidently was killed by a gun --- or the lives of millions of kids killed on purpose?
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 10:34:39 AM

Does the story make you uncomfortable?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 10:10:56 AM

And this accident has what to do with the subject Marty?

Are you saying that we should eliminate the causes of fatal accidents? Ok since more kids are killed by cars then its obvious that we need to eliminate cars.

Or are you saying we need to eliminate not so smart people. Watch out what you wish for.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 12/9/2012 10:11:26 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 9:34:27 AM

Boy, 7, shot to death at Pa. gun store

A man's handgun went off while he was holding it as he got into his truck in the parking lot of a western Pennsylvania gun store Saturday, and the shot killed his 7-year-old son, authorities said.

Joseph V. Loughrey, 44, of Sharpsville, was getting into the truck when the 9 mm handgun discharged, wounding Craig Allen Loughrey in the chest, according to state police. The boy died at the scene at Twigs Reloading Den in East Lackawannock Township, 60 miles north of Pittsburgh.

Investigators said Loughrey told them he didn't realize there was a bullet still in the chamber.



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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 8:54:43 AM

Jerry Brown dead, Dallas Cowboy's teammate Josh Brent arrested in drunken car crash. Will Bob Costas rant today about the easy access to cars and booze.
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link to the Hero
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[L=http://suffolk.wtkr.com/news/news/text deleted says he plans to honor ‘AutoZone Hero’ for taking action against ‘Fake Beard Bandit’ [/L]

The York County-Poquoson Sheriff is giving his 3 cents after a former AutoZone employee stopped the Fake Beard Bandit in his county.

Even the sheriff is calling Devin Mclean a hero.

“Devin was a brave young man,” he says.

“I mean, two people with guns, no shots fired and a robbery adverted is a good ending,” says Sheriff J.D. Diggs.

But not for Devin after AutoZone fired the Air Force veteran

They say he violated company policy.

Related:

AutoZone employee fired after scaring off ‘Fake Beard Bandit’ humbled by community support

AutoZone employee fired after taking action against “Fake Beard Bandit”

While the AutoZone in York County was being robbed by the Fake Beard Bandit, Devin went to his car, got his gun and came back to confront the robber.

“I thought what a shame this guy has really gone above and beyond. I mean what else could you ask an employee to do for you?” says Diggs.

The sheriff is among thousands who believe AutoZone should review that policy.

Daniel posted on NewsChannel3's Facebook page: “The employee was not breaking company policy until he feared for his own, and his manager’s safety. At that point, he left the store in order to save his boss’ life.”

On wtkr.com Doug wrote, “Shame on you for sticking to a corporate policy instead of making exceptions for heroic actions like this one.”

“Would he be wrong by not doing anything by taking no action? No, that’s an acceptable approach. I think that’s what AutoZone doesn’t understand. There’s more than one right answer,” says Diggs.

He’s even planning to honor Devin for taking action against this serial robber responsible for more than 30 robberies on the Peninsula over the last year.

“We plan on giving him an award, you know, a Sheriff’s Citizens Accommodation Award. We do that occasionally when a citizen does something above and beyond, and I think he stepped up,” says Diggs.

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