mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 2:11:23 PM
From the "You heard it here first" department: One of two things will happen, depending upon whether or not republicans control the House. If republicans control the House the food stamp eligibility rules, which I believe are at the discretion of the HHS Secretary, will be changed to accept people who don't have Obamacare. If republicans lose the House in 2014, then Obamacare will be amended to require all workers over say 15 hours be covered. Either way we spend more money that we don't have and get closer to the day of reckoning when nobody will lend us anymore money.
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Edger
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 1:25:30 PM
"25 hours a week at American wages still beats the heck out of 60 hours at Indonesian wages."
It took Obama less than four years to take us to this point. All while he was "focused like a laser on jobs" and making sure that a 30 hour work week was considered full time employement. Congress also was a great help in implementing this largest tax in American history.
Had he concentrated on jobs by cutting govt red tape and not spending an additional $1 trillion per year, he might have actually done some good for Americans, other than giving handouts, non-shovel ready jobs, cash for clunkers, food stamp advertising in Mexico, green DOA jobs and whatever else he contributed.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:21:25 AM
YDraigGoch, "National health care is a logical extension of companies keeping their employees well. That was originally, and still is, a good business decision. Spreading the costs across the entire population is a good national decision, since it allows ALL businesses to take advantage of it at a reduced cost."
That is not how ObamaCare works. If "the poor" couldn't afford to go to the doctor up to now, how will they be able to afford the ObamaCare taxes coming up?
So "ObamaCare has been in the rest of the industrialized world for decades", it hasn't been working out to well for them, has it?
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:08:42 AM
25 hours a week at American wages still beats the heck out of 60 hours at Indonesian wages.
Seems like some people still refuse to see that this is no longer the 1950s and 1960s. The rest of the world caught up and passed us. America's greatest time was when we had NO competition.
Not much of a victory.
So now, we don't have enough jobs because there are not enough people who can afford our stuff. This was bound to happen sooner or later. I'm actually amazed that it took this long.
Obamacare has been in the rest of the industrialized world for decades, and until the recent international banking failures, it was affordable. But people wanted more, more, more. When their governments gave in, THEN it all fell in.
National health care is a logical extension of companies keeping their employees well. That was originally, and still is, a good business decision. Spreading the costs across the entire population is a good national decision, since it allows ALL businesses to take advantage of it at a reduced cost.
The fact that America did NOT have it is part of the reason that we can't compete any more. Or are you so blinded by raging politics that you actually believe America still IS competitive? Really?
The Romans must have felt the same way when the Germans, the Francs, the Assyrians began to take away all their industry, began to make better weapons, began to build better forts and so on. One of Rome's greatest achievements in the early years was a system to house and feed the poor. When their economy began to fail in the 4th and 5th centuries, they began to cut back.
And when the German tribes finally invaded, all those people turned their backs on the once great empire. By 475CE, Rome was just another German vassal state. Are we next?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 8:53:59 AM
Most all jobs that have part time workers at 20 hours a week don't offer benefits (health insurance being the big dog in that pack).
So many workers will have two 20-hour jobs, extra commuting, and will have to purchase their health care on the open market. Was this the intention of the PPACA? It certainly will be an unintended consequence, unless forcing people onto the public exchanges was the goal all along.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 7:49:08 PM
Blackgum Tree - My thoughts exactly.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 7:13:21 PM
Actually it would probably be simpler to cut hours to 20 a week. Then get two different people to perform the same job that one 40 hour employee used to do.
Everyone would have to have two 20 hour jobs.
The up side is that there would be more jobs to go around and unemployment would drop significantly.
On the down side there would be a lot more commuting and fuel usage and prices would go up. And workers would have less free time after spending more time commuting.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 6:27:25 PM
Pretty near every service sector hourly job is going to become a 29 hour a week job with no benefits. The transition will occur pretty quickly too.
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Edger
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 5:22:47 PM
Helping Americans to adjust to the "New Normal" of less money but the possibility of food stamps!
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