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Passer

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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 6:11:57 PM

Now that the test of history has graded the "accuracy" of those Reactionary and Fox Fractured statements of theirs that they tried to lead us to believe were Facts, we must remind those whose bubble just recently burst that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Let this topic remind the Reactionaries of their unfettered "accuracy" and remind others especially those who join later and don't have the immediate benefit of how "accurate" they were when we apply new events against the crucible of their past.

When anybody tries to insulate themselves into a bubble of their mistaken beliefs, it is not only the right, but the responsibility of those armed with even uncomfortable facts to do some bubble-bursting.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 2:05:13 AM

"I think the Republicans are "doubling down" rather than 'melting down'."

They could be doing both: when losers double down, they tend to melt down.


Their ONLY other alternative is to LEARN

(something these anti-science, anti-climate change and anti-education fanatics don't do well!)!





[Edited by: Passer at 12/8/2012 2:06:31 AM EST]
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 10:20:45 AM

RedState's Erick Erickson is filling in for Neal Boortz on his radio show today.

I just heard Erickson say that it's not the 'Democrat Party' versus the 'Republican Party', it's the 'Stupid Party' versus the 'Evil Party'.

I'm not sure which party he was calling stupid and which he was calling evil, but I must admit I can't argue with the point he is trying to make.

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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 9:24:37 AM

I think the Republicans are "doubling down" rather than "melting down."
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:19:30 AM

The point is, the United States is not "going through a meltdown".

The same can't be said about the Republican Party.

Grover Norquist might take some lessons from the WW of the West.

And it sadly seems that Rush Limbaugh is all that remains of the Republican Party's once common "big tent"...
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 2:24:50 PM

And ONLY Reactionaries are under the delusion that the United States is going through a meltdown. I would say to them, look at your own pants as the smoke they smell is not the United States but much more likely, their own pants which has been on fire long before an election.

Try to be at least on speaking terms with the truth...
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Passer
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 6:19:23 PM

My comments above have only to do with my basically paraphrasing Mark Twain and pointing out to the Reactionaries, that the "meltdown" of the Democratic Party, was greatly exaggerated, just like the reported death of Twain in his time long before it was a reality.

In other words 101, it's still Twaining on the Reactionaries, after their huge Electoral College loss. And it is they who are on probation now and if they don't get their OutFoxed Act together and face reality, it is THEY who may be in danger of expulsion.




[Edited by: Passer at 11/29/2012 6:23:26 PM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:28:37 AM

Passer,

What do your comments above have to do with the meltdown of the United States?
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 3:18:09 PM

Even if they had no influence, you can understand why the 'cons' would be concerned that there was some influence.

Here are some other Obama associates that raised eyebrows among supporters of Israel (from the Jesse Jackson link I posted):

"Several of Obama's foreign policy advisors, such as Zbigniew Bzrezinski, Anthony Lake, Susan Rice and Robert O. Malley have not been particular friends of Israel. Bzrezinski, a Carter era foreign policy advisor, has especially raised red flags among supporters of Israel..."

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worryfree
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 2:54:10 PM

I have seen no evidence that anti-semites Obama had contact with in the past have influenced him.
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 2:19:09 PM

>>"...his attempts to get moderate Muslims talking peace and his disagreements with hard right Netayahu make understanding things difficult for some of our cons..."<<

I think it had more to do with some of the anti-Semites Obama associated with in the past, like Jeremiah Wright and Jesse Jackson. With 'friends' and supporters like those, it's understandable why some would be skeptical of Obama's support of Israel.

Former Obama Pastor Endorses March on Jerusalem

Jesse Jackson: Obama to End 'Zionist Control of Foreign Policy'
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 12:46:49 PM

Obama has always been pro Israel. I realize that his attempts to get moderate Muslims talking peace and his disagreements with hard right Netayahu make understanding things difficult fior some of our cons but international politics is not black and white.
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 11:32:07 AM

Well it is kinda hard to compete with santa barry giving away the toy factory at Christmas time, your bubble will burst when you think 'all dem rich folk' is gonna pay for it...
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 11:17:04 AM

The bubble burst heard on election day will be ringing in the ears of cons for some time now. They earned it.
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 7:36:37 AM


"...it will take a Palestinian Leader, who can unite all factions in both Gaza and the West Bank, as well as in the Arab Countries, and who has the courage to negotiate with Israel looking forward instead of having to watch his back as much or more from his own people as from Israel."

So, not in our lifetime, then.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 5:36:35 PM

LTVibe,

I agree.

Now Israel is not only our greatest friend in the Middle East, but also, the most stable.

That is not to minimize the Palestinian question, which must be solved, but it will take a Palestinian Leader, who can unite all factions in both Gaza and the West Bank, as well as in the Arab Countries, and who has the courage to negotiate with Israel looking forward instead of having to watch his back as much or more from his own people as from Israel.



[Edited by: Passer at 11/25/2012 5:37:12 PM EST]
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 3:26:30 PM


I think after Egyptian president Morsi's latest stunt, Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu is looking pretty good to Obama right now...

Morsi expands authority in power grab

"The Islamist president's move, which infuriated civil rights leaders, weakens Egyptian courts and frees Morsi from judicial oversight."

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 2:06:21 PM


"One of the Fox "Facts" that was in the Bubble, was that Obama was "anti-Israel"."

Whether Obama has been "anti-Israel" or simply not supportive of Israel is in the eyes of the beholder. Anyone who has followed news and opinion from Israel over the last 4 years can tell you that Obama has not been regarded over there as being "pro-Israel" by a longshot.

The fact that Obama was given a 2nd chance by America means that Israel has little choice but to do the same. It doesn't mean they wanted to see him around again but hey, whaddya gonna do?

So here we are again. Negotiating with terrorist organizations and giving Hamas some "down time" in order to re-supply thier long-rang Iranian missile inventory to better reach Tel Aviv on the next "go round" (coming soon, btw).

Obama has shown support now to Israel. Good. An acceptable flip. Now prove you mean it by dealing decisively with Iran and we'll start carving that fifth face in Mt Rushmore.

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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:39:52 AM

"Then I realized -- oh, he had to pander to his Muslim constituency to get re-elected"

That must have made the GOP tax guy Norquest and his wife very happy.
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fracknsave
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 9:30:02 AM

The 'raising taxes to balance the budget bubble.'

That's when one learns about the difference between static budget analysis and dynamic. Sure some people won't be able to react in time for 2012, but they won't make the same mistake(s) in '13.
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 9:03:21 AM

"Then I realized -- oh, he had to pander to his Muslim constituency to get re-elected. Today he can talk tough WITH Israel, instead of against them."

Really? You think he was pandering to the tiniest minority in the country? Wow. He probably had them over Romney just by virtue of his middle name; he didn't need to pander.
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 6:48:56 AM

e_jeepin, I have another theory...

The President went out of his way to help Egypt after their 'Arab Spring' regime change: military aid, moral support, and billions of dollars.

Then on Sept. 11, our embassy in Egypt was besieged by violent protests, and Egypt's president Morsi did nothing to stop it. Even worse, Morsi appeared to have encouraged the protests. Obama was furious over Morsi's betrayal and ingratitude.

So when Israel finally got fed up with constant rocket attacks launched by Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood friends and allies in Gaza, Obama decided he was not going to take any more crap from the 'Brotherhood', and took Israel's side in the conflict.



[Edited by: LTVibe at 11/23/2012 6:53:32 AM EST]
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 9:43:38 PM

LTVibe, I was wondering the other day why Obama is all of a sudden so helpful to Israel when just weeks ago he snubbed them shamelessly.

Then I realized -- oh, he had to pander to his Muslim constituency to get re-elected. Today he can talk tough WITH Israel, instead of against them.

Just one of the many tunes he is now changing for his legacy. Flip or flop?

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Passer
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 1:28:20 PM

"Fox's competitor is no longer CNN, but the Comedy Channel."

LOL. Very true.


(What's the funniest thing of all is when a Fox Anchor, with his or her repulsive right twitch, tries to report the news with a straight face, seemingly just after a meeting with Murdoch livid at the few times they try to be impartial, and he gives them the "My Slant" rant...

A contortionist would be so envious.)
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 1:12:12 PM

"Early on, he made it clear to Hamas, Egypt, the UN, etc., that Israel had every right to defend itself, and that the US stood with Israel.

Any doubts the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists had about America's support for Israel have been dispelled."

I agree 100%.
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 6:48:07 AM

>>In the recent statement on the Cease Fire by no less than the Israeli Prime Minister, his statement was extremely thankful of all the indispensable help of Obama and his Administration in the recent Middle East Crisis and for his (Obama's) ongoing help for the future.<<

I must admit, Obama handled the crisis well. A pleasant surprise.

Early on, he made it clear to Hamas, Egypt, the UN, etc., that Israel had every right to defend itself, and that the US stood with Israel.

Any doubts the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamists had about America's support for Israel have been dispelled.

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Passer
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 6:34:43 PM

We might debate the word "change" but from your post it seems that from the country's point of view, "his working on his legacy" is something good and positive.

That is a very helpful sign, regardless of motives!
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 6:27:41 PM

obama is working on his legacy now, he will change his tune on many things before it's over.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 6:17:35 PM

One of the Fox "Facts" that was in the Bubble, was that Obama was "anti-Israel".

In the recent statement on the Cease Fire by no less than the Israeli Prime Minister, his statement was extremely thankful of all the indispensable help of Obama and his Administration in the recent Middle East Crisis and for his (Obama's) ongoing help for the future.

Anyone who has followed the events has heard another Foxfact burst.

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