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AFSNCO

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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 10:57:57 AM

Obscene gesture photo at Arlington Cemetery stirs anger

Even though she claimed she meant no disrespect just the idea that she would do this at such a location is disrespectful in itself!

"Whoa whoa whoa ... wait," Stone wrote on Oct. 20, according to the screen shot on Gawker. "This is just us, being the douchebags that we are, challenging authority in general ... OBVIOUSLY we meant NO disrespect to people that serve or have served our country."

Um yes you did otherwise you would have never even considered doing this!

Link updated - Don


[Edited by: Don at 11/21/2012 2:17:00 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 2:17:21 PM

el_gato, you contradict yourself:

"But neither would I join a lynch mob to get her fired from her job. That decision should be left to her boss who has a better idea of what she's really like."

But you say this a few posts later:

"Much like some soldiers who peed on Afghanistan prisoners and have done other things to bring dishonor on America. The disrespect has not all been one way."

I am sure you were "upset" when these Marines were peeing on "dead Taliban" prisoners...and were charged. The women in question deserved to be fired because they represent their company regardless of whether they were on official business or not. Just like the guy that was fired for yelling at the Chick-Fil-A employee. Businesses will take measures to protect their image and they have a right to.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 1:41:16 PM

Topic: Stupidity or disrepsect? Obscene gesture at Arlington

--AFSNCO - It could be both. Stupidity and disrespect are not mutually exclusive!
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 1:20:49 PM

Yes johnnyg1200. You are right.

and that is exaclty what I was talking about when I said about the lynch mobs wanting to get her fired. But some people have such an ego they think everything is about them.

Thank you for the update. If it was on a company trip with the residents they were carrying for, and the bosses were there then it does make a difference to the company so they were right to be fired. It is so much better when you know the facts.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 1:07:09 PM

Here is an update to this story. Both women have been fired. It also has come out that the incident occurred on a company trip with 40 residents of the care facility and 8 staff. So unless this was written in a way to appear in a way that is misleading it would seem this was done while on the job.

Here is a quote from the article I will attempt to link to.

“”Although some of the comments on the page indicated that Lindsey Stone should not lose her job because of a “stupid photo” most of the comments want the women terminated. Some posters noted that they do not want their disabled loved ones care for by people who showed such “bad judgment.””””
While you can’t tell for cretin that the calls for termination came from the families of residents, if even a small portion of them did it becomes a business decision.
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Lindsey Stone Might Get Fired For Posting Photo Flipping Off The Tomb Of The Unknown Soldier
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As I tell my kids when they do or say something stupid. This is America and you can say or do almost anything you want. But there are consciences for those actions and you have to decide if it is worth it.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 11/23/2012 1:10:21 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:16:01 AM

Never forget - never forgive treason!
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>>> I will not watch this movie of hers as I have not watched any movie she has made ever since she committed treason.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 11:13:56 AM

Never forget - never forgive treason!
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>>>Personally, I don't think Fonda regrets sitting on that anti-aircraft gun. I think she regrets being caught sitting on that anti-aircraft gun. Nothing in Fonda's statements or subsequent actions has ever shown me that she understands just how evil that act was.

And why she hasn't been tried and deported for treason is beyond me.<<<

What these two idiotic people did pales in comparison to what this traitor has done.
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 7:26:16 AM

I think the stupidity well outweighs the disrespect here. True they were disrespectful, but I don't think in their stupidity they were disrespectful on purpose.

That said, I hope they learn from their mistake, and go forth and sin no more. Same goes for some in here as well.
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:14:07 AM

Yes, they did act like disrespectful idiots flyboyUT. Much like some soldiers who peed on Afghanistan prisoners and have done other things to bring dishonor on America. The disrespect has not all been one way.
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 12:11:42 AM

<<Even if it is difficult for you, please keep your comments about what other people have said from appearing to be addressed to me.>> BlackGumTree

You mean it is okay for you to but in and make comments to me about what is being said with other people, but you are too small a person to take it when the shoe is on the other foot?

Perhaps then it is you who should try to behave more like a normal citizen instead of making personal attacks on somebody who has done nothing to you?

People like you should be recognized for what they are and ignored. Or reported.

In case you've forgotten, you started your attack on me at Nov 22, 2012 12:41:24 PM and then continued it at Nov 22, 2012 6:56:06 PM. And I am not afraid of your little kitten's claws. LOL

Mujeres is spelled with two e's in case you did not know.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 11:22:12 PM

When those who are buried there rise from the grave they can forgive and forget if they want. For myself I will chose to not do so. These supposed adults should be responsible for their own actions.

There are consequences for acting as an idiot.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 7:56:54 PM

EL_Gato_Negro - "But neither would I join a lynch mob to get her fired from her job. That decision should be left to her boss who has a better idea of what she's really like."

I did not say anything abut a lynch mob, or getting her fired. These two women appear to be adults with special needs.

Even if it is difficult for you, please keep your comments about what other people have said from appearing to be addressed to me.
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 1:58:50 PM

I wouldn't hire her either BlackGumTree.

But neither would I join a lynch mob to get her fired from her job. That decision should be left to her boss who has a better idea of what she's really like.

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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 1:44:03 PM

I have an uncle buried at Arlington National Cemetery that I never had the chance to meet. That is sacred ground!

While we should all forgive and forget, I will not hire either of them for anything.
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PatAZ
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 12:29:14 PM

Stupidity and disrespectul almost covers this bimbo.
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mswiggy
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 10:58:22 AM

As my hubby would ask, Does it come naturally or do you have to work at it? Stupidity that is- with a heaping side of disrespect.

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Apparently for her at 30 years old its natural.
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 10:43:41 AM

And I'll bet that some of the people here out for her blood at the same time defended Pastor Terry Jones for his stupidity and disrespect for burning the Koran.

Apparently it's ok for one of theirs to show stupidity and disrespect to another group of people - even if it results in rioting and death, but if somebody does something equally disrespectful and stupid to one of their cherished, then riots and vigilanteism are fine.

Was she stupid? Yes. Was she disrespectful? Of course.
Should she lose her job and end up having to take unemployment and maybe welfare money (out of your taxes don't forget), do you really think so?
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 10:32:09 AM

EKEugene <<There it is again. I said before "there's always one" -- now there are two.>>

You missed the one <<The free speech of liberals has been paid for with the lives of those brave souls buried in that cemetery.>>

So there were three.

And of course as you said it's Obama who's dividing the country, not the conservatives. LOL
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 10:23:40 AM

"No disrespect to people that serve or are serving in the military", yeah right. And if I met her in person and called her names that would get me banned from gb, I'd say no disrespect too.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 10:12:49 AM

> What her political party is doesnt matter. We dont have enough information to even attempt to see what party she leans towards. What we do know for sure is she is in dire need of some education. <

She needs to join the military and go to somewhere like Afghanistan and let's see if she still has the same opinion after that.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 9:59:23 AM

Pretty stupid... not sure much thought went into the process.

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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 9:15:06 AM

It's not really an either/or choice. You can be stupid and disrespectful, which I believe taking and posting such a picture demonstrates.
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Ladygator2007
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 7:19:04 AM

Very disrespectful.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 12:14:41 AM

Fly, your last statement, agreed!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:38:54 PM

What her political party is doesnt matter. We dont have enough information to even attempt to see what party she leans towards. What we do know for sure is she is in dire need of some education.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:18:20 PM

johnny, go back towards the beginning of the thread. There was one other reference to her being a democrat. Question is, why ?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:15:09 PM

Jayrad; if you look it was only one person that tried to pin this on a Democrat. One other called her a liberal; I may go that far because I don’t consider all Democrats liberals. Even FlyBoyUT didn’t go that far. I feel safe to say that we are appalled at this behavior, Democrats, Republicans, most Conservatives and most Liberals. Both sides do have their extremes though. The Westboro Baptist Church is so conservative I dint think they approve of the use of fire and PETA thinks a memorial should be set up for fish killed in a truck accident.

While I don’t consider myself to be extreme I am very conservative and if you noticed in my previous post I did say I refuse to assign a political party to this wing nut.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 10:52:20 PM

The free speech of EVERYONE has been paid by both democrats and republicans who have served. Not one group is better than the other in that respect.

Notice it is only the right in this thread trying to demonize the other side with absolutely NO proof of party affiliation of that young woman. Why is that? You guys mind readers?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 9:48:21 PM

sgm4law - once again I find myself agreeing with you. My dad isnt there but I share your sentiments.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 9:39:47 PM

She is probably one of the way-too-many Americans who don't actually know anyone who is serving or who has served. What a stupid thing to do; I'm surprised she even bothered to go to Arlington in the first place.

I must say when I read the title of the thread and before looking at the picture, I thought to myself, that better not be anywhere near my dad!!
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 9:29:45 PM

“”obvious democrat,””
I refuse to assign a political party to this moron. She probably doesn’t even have one, I could be wrong and even if she did have one it makes no difference. Every one of the left leaning people I love to disagree with that has commented on this has condemned her action.

As for her termination of employment, if her Face Book page also listed her employer’s name her continued employment could adversely affect the company. The company I work for has set out very strict guidelines regarding this type of thing and I would most likely lose my job for this kind of behavior. Also if she works with Vets as coworkers or patients she could become a serious disruption in the work place.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 7:16:07 PM

obvious democrat, We have no way to be sure, but we do see, and hear, a lot of democrats that don't care for the military.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 4:08:50 PM

The free speech of liberals has been paid for with the lives of those brave souls buried in that cemetery.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 4:01:35 PM

No matter how hard she screeches, she will not drown out the sounds of the bullets zinging past you, the sounds of artillery going off, the sounds of the enemy trying to intimidate, the sounds of your friends in pain, the sounds of the helicopters coming in. She can never drown out the silent prayers and thoughts of those who understand what these men and women died for. She cannot drown out the prayers said by those who understand. She cannot drown out the cries of anguish from the families of the fallen.

She only thinks she can, which is why the extended digit is more a sign of her I.Q. than anything else.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 3:38:31 PM

What are you trying to push off on me, fly?
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 3:30:40 PM

Just for you Steve - Happy Thanksgiving
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 3:24:31 PM

LOL!
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 3:23:46 PM

"I don't put anything on FB, tho. No page! I never signed up. Don't see the point and certainly don't want my life made public. If anything, I would just have the photo up in my bathroom or something."

That would surely use the other meaning of "dump" truck...

:-)
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 3:06:04 PM

Both.

And likewise on the moronic obsession with being all proper all the time.

Sounds like they learned their lesson.

I'd be pretty surprised if they did ANYTHING like this ever again.

I always had an urge to take a photo of myself standing behind a dump truck and attempting to push it by hand with an apparent full body heave. You know, one of those dump trucks with the big sign on the back that says 'DO NOT PUSH'?

I don't put anything on FB, tho. No page! I never signed up. Don't see the point and certainly don't want my life made public. If anything, I would just have the photo up in my bathroom or something.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 3:03:52 PM

Why is a banned member posting again?
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 2:54:02 PM

hep, you got that right. I guess that she is 30 years old and still lives with her parents tells you her maturity level!
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 2:11:12 PM

How about both?
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 1:12:50 PM

Stupid, childish, self-centered woman.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 12:33:03 PM

One has to wonder if she was drunk. I don't understand why she would do such a stupid thing. I doubt if she is Republican or Democrat. It's obvious her parents failed her. Seems like parents just don't teach respect these days.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 12:26:00 PM

Both.

They should have known better as they are old enough to be way past the age of doing things that "challange authority" in meaningless ways. Hopefully, they have learned their lesson.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:44:27 AM

Stupidity or disrespect? I will go with a double dose of both.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:43:48 AM

"Obvious Democrats."

AC, you know that how?

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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:30:34 AM

Stupid and disrespectful. I do believe she was trying to be funny but the fact she thought it would be funny shows a lack of respect.

Speaking of trying to be funny and being really really stupid too... there is a high schooler in this area that baked some cupcakes to give to some classmates as a joke. One of the ingredients used was urine. Did he really think he was being funny?

<<<The price of the voyeur society. >>>

Exacerbated by the facebook culture.<<<However this constant crowing of firing everybody in the world for every little thing not connected to their job -- also stupid.>>>

Total agreement.

[Edited by: airfresh at 11/21/2012 11:33:26 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:27:01 AM

Obvious Democrats.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:26:37 AM

""Whoa whoa whoa ... wait," Stone wrote on Oct. 20, according to the screen shot on Gawker. "This is just us, being the douchebags that we are, challenging authority in general ... OBVIOUSLY we meant NO disrespect to people that serve or have served our country.""


Its BOTH stupidity AND disrespect.

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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 11:11:40 AM

"This is just us, being the d*bags that we are, challenging authority in general ... OBVIOUSLY we meant NO disrespect to people that serve or have served our country."

You can't fix stupid. To even think that is funny is just deplorable.
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