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teacher_tim Champion Author Maryland Posts:15,898 Points:749,380 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 9:33:19 AM Ignore teacher_tim Report Abuse "Until Friday, there were two possible explanations for why the White House failed to immediately call the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism. One was incompetence, the other was worse. Now there is only one, and it is the worse one. Based on the persuasive testimony of ex-CIA boss David Petraeus, it is clear the Obama administration made a deliberate decision to mislead Congress and the American people. The repeated claim that the attack was spontaneous and grew out of a demonstration against an anti-Islam video — a claim made by the president and secretary of State as they stood next to the bodies of four dead Americans — was a monstrous lie. It was vile and done for the basest of reasons. Because we now know the truth of what happened — CIA reports were edited to remove the names of al Qaeda groups involved in the attack, Petraeus said under oath — we also know the motive. It was political self-preservation, meaning the president and his team put politics first. The timing helps tell the tale. Just days removed from his Charlotte convention, where he danced on the grave of Osama bin Laden and boasted that al Qaeda was decimated, Obama couldn’t bear to admit that affiliated groups were thriving in North Africa. And he certainly couldn’t admit they had carried out a murderous attack on our consulate on the 11th anniversary of the most awful day in American history. To do so would be to acknowledge the failure of his decision to ignore hard-line Islamists and that his team had erred egregiously in rejecting pleas for more security from Libya Ambassador Chris Stevens. So the president lied, including in a speech to the United Nations, where he cited the video as the reason for the attack. He sent out reams of flunkies to do the same, including his snide press secretary, Jay Carney. Most notably, UN Ambassador Susan Rice went on five Sunday television shows to spin the nonsense about the hijacking of a demonstration — a demonstration that never existed. Rice made a fool of herself, and now, she, too is damaged goods. Oddly, Petraeus, brought down by the reckless affair with his biographer, nonetheless looks like the only honest man in the drama." "Based on the persuasive testimony of ex-CIA boss David Petraeus, it is clear the Obama administration made a deliberate decision to mislead Congress and the American people." Read more: link to story

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"Until Friday, there were two possible explanations for why the White House failed to immediately call the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism. One was incompetence, the other was worse.

Now there is only one, and it is the worse one. Based on the persuasive testimony of ex-CIA boss David Petraeus, it is clear the Obama administration made a deliberate decision to mislead Congress and the American people.

The repeated claim that the attack was spontaneous and grew out of a demonstration against an anti-Islam video — a claim made by the president and secretary of State as they stood next to the bodies of four dead Americans — was a monstrous lie. It was vile and done for the basest of reasons.

Because we now know the truth of what happened — CIA reports were edited to remove the names of al Qaeda groups involved in the attack, Petraeus said under oath — we also know the motive. It was political self-preservation, meaning the president and his team put politics first.

The timing helps tell the tale. Just days removed from his Charlotte convention, where he danced on the grave of Osama bin Laden and boasted that al Qaeda was decimated, Obama couldn’t bear to admit that affiliated groups were thriving in North Africa. And he certainly couldn’t admit they had carried out a murderous attack on our consulate on the 11th anniversary of the most awful day in American history.

To do so would be to acknowledge the failure of his decision to ignore hard-line Islamists and that his team had erred egregiously in rejecting pleas for more security from Libya Ambassador Chris Stevens.

So the president lied, including in a speech to the United Nations, where he cited the video as the reason for the attack. He sent out reams of flunkies to do the same, including his snide press secretary, Jay Carney.

Most notably, UN Ambassador Susan Rice went on five Sunday television shows to spin the nonsense about the hijacking of a demonstration — a demonstration that never existed. Rice made a fool of herself, and now, she, too is damaged goods.

Oddly, Petraeus, brought down by the reckless affair with his biographer, nonetheless looks like the only honest man in the drama."

"Based on the persuasive testimony of ex-CIA boss David Petraeus, it is clear the Obama administration made a deliberate decision to mislead Congress and the American people."

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reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,355 Points:1,849,600 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:50:24 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse It always amazes me what people will say in the forums... "If you ever come up with a real issue, I'll stand in line to take a punch at Obama. I never like him either. But this isn't it." YDraigGoch, you need to think before you post man... just saying...
YDraigGoch Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,346 Points:86,435 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 7:42:18 PM Ignore YDraigGoch Report Abuse OK, here is a question. EXACTLY who was behind the attacks? No obfuscations, excuses, made up stuff or angry rhetoric. I want the names and affiliations of the people who were involved in the attack. Who do they answer to? Who funded the attack? Who planned the operation? Did someone infiltrate the embassy to prepare for the attack? A lot of you are so SURE you know what happened that you are accusing the President of lying. You must have a source of information that no one else has. So here is your chance to show off your speCIAl knowledge. Tell us exactly who did it, and exactly who in the administration had that hard information. Share your "god given" knowledge with the rest of the world, as well as the CIA. Be a hero. Help us catch these murderers. In other words, put up, or shut up.
FluffyDogAttack Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,196 Points:114,340 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:18:18 PM Ignore FluffyDogAttack Report Abuse It really is quite amazing that our intelligence teams were so quickly able to zero in on an obscure youtube video as the culprit. Those things are so complicated and elusive. This should give our citizens complete confidence in this administration, especially since they so readily dismissed the Sept 11th anniversary and went with the more reasonable "youtube video" explanation.. :/
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:23,162 Points:1,037,445 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:31:40 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse nstrdnvstr -- "Obviously it was the State Department and The White House. Obama is "in charge", the buck should stop with him. Rice should be angry that Obama sent her out to lie for him. Integrity obviously doesn't matter to her." I do believe the common vernacular is BINGO -- - BOOM and BANG. I have this strange feeling that integrity matters very little to any of these people. What does seem to matter is that they stay in power adn implement their plans for a larger government.
owt Champion Author Tennessee Posts:10,300 Points:1,591,670 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:20:30 PM Ignore owt Report Abuse This is interesting, i have been following the Benghazi cover-up. I asked several people at work today that voted for Obama that did not know what Benghazi was. I did explain and Obama was called a few special words. Another case of the "Uninformed Voter".
nstrdnvstr Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:37,025 Points:4,011,755 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:21:59 AM Ignore nstrdnvstr Report Abuse johnnyg1200, " I want to know who tried to cover up the truth about the decisions leading up to the attack. The first thing I want to know is who decided to leave our ambassador sitting out there like a fish in a barrel. Second I want to know who decided to ignore the ambassador and the on ground U.S. security teems repeated requests for more security and what imbecile decided to reduce the security level after the British and Red Cross decide to pull out because of the declining security including two attacks on this installation." Obviously it was the State Department and The White House. Obama is "in charge", the buck should stop with him. Rice should be angry that Obama sent her out to lie for him. Integrity obviously doesn't matter to her.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,755 Points:2,746,515 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:05:07 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse Why would anyone believe Obama?
teacher_tim Champion Author Maryland Posts:15,898 Points:749,380 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 1:51:20 PM Ignore teacher_tim Report Abuse YDraig, The only UGLY here is the Obama administrations conflicting statements and denials/confirmations about the whole incident. It is a symptom and this is a foreign example of the Fast and Furious scandal. Deny, deny, deny, find a fall guy.
Ladygator2007 All-Star Author Florida Posts:955 Points:248,405 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 6:00:19 AM Ignore Ladygator2007 Report Abuse worryfree... If one of your family members had been killed in the same manner would you consider it as unimportant? They deserve justice. Their families deserve the truth.
RogerB Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:18,232 Points:2,651,060 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 2:25:11 AM Ignore RogerB Report Abuse Rogers: Benghazi security "gross negligence" by State Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said that State "did not make the right security call" about how to handle security at the Benghazi consulate. CBS - Bob Schieffer - agrees. " ... The whole thing just doesn't seem right to me."
johnnyg1200 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,430 Points:672,220 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 10:56:13 PM Ignore johnnyg1200 Report Abuse If Rice wants to do an Oliver North and take the fall that is her purgative, but she isn’t in a position to do it. She wasn’t in a position to make the critical decisions. What I want to know isn’t who lied about the attack. I want to know who tried to cover up the truth about the decisions leading up to the attack. The first thing I want to know is who decided to leave our ambassador sitting out there like a fish in a barrel. Second I want to know who decided to ignore the ambassador and the on ground U.S. security teems repeated requests for more security and what imbecile decided to reduce the security level after the British and Red Cross decide to pull out because of the declining security including two attacks on this installation. This is the part of the blunder we will never hear about because everyone is concentrating on Rice. So in that respect she is taking the fall. But why is she willing to be the public face of this over some lies told on Sunday morning T.V. [Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 12/3/2012 10:58:18 PM EST]
johnnyg1200 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,430 Points:672,220 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 9:32:06 PM Ignore johnnyg1200 Report Abuse As I have said before. This isn’t about Rice. Its about diverting the attention of the people from the hard questions. The Benghazi U.S ambassador repeatedly asks for more security, the security teem on the ground requests more security. This is a fact not a lie or a rumor. It was stated in the E-Mails and testimony. The conciliate is attacked twice, in one attack the wall is breached with explosives. Again fact, not a made up story, the proof is found in released statements from the State Department and British press. The State department response is to reduce security even farther. More facts not a white wing conspiracy, by the way nice resist taunt there. The ambassador is killed along with three others. Four body bags met by Obama back this up. In less than 24 hours the intelligence community knows it was a terror attack involving RPG’s machine guns and mortars. Obama give a speech that could be seen to mean anything when the bodies come back to the U.S. because he rolled a 9-11-01 attack speech in with the comments on Benghazi. Five days after the attack Rice goes out and tells the American people that the attack was a spontaneous response to a video, statements that where already being disputed in the press. Exactly what part of this is “made up”, a “lie”, or an “ugly rumor”. [Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 12/3/2012 9:35:18 PM EST]
YDraigGoch Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,346 Points:86,435 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:08:29 PM Ignore YDraigGoch Report Abuse Topic: The ugly truth about Benghazi and Team Obama More like: The ugly innuendos about Benghazi and Team Obama The ugly rumors about Benghazi and Team Obama The ugly made up stories about Benghazi and Team Obama The McCain Vengeance attacks about Benghazi and Team Obama The White Wing conspiracy theories about Benghazi and Team Obama The "We don't care what the intelligence people say, we know it all even though we were not there" attacks about Benghazi and Team Obama If you ever come up with a real issue, I'll stand in line to take a punch at Obama. I never like him either. But this isn't it.
teacher_tim Champion Author Maryland Posts:15,898 Points:749,380 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 8:47:14 AM Ignore teacher_tim Report Abuse Democrats are desperately trying to get past this...
jeskibuff Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,039 Points:1,475,085 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 6:39:09 AM Ignore jeskibuff Report Abuse AC-302 said: "when you cut military spending (like Clinton did with is so-called "peace dividend"), you not only put our country behind in military technologies, but you throw middle class, productive, educated working people out of a good paying job." More important than putting us behind in military technologies is the vulnerability we achieve when we weaken our defensive posture. The lack of human intelligence (network of spies in other countries, etc.) caused by Clinton's cutbacks and Gorelick's firewalls could very well have been the difference between 2 tall towers and 2 gaping holes in downtown Manhattan.
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,730 Points:2,571,010 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 6:20:33 AM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse worryfree, "Why do cons assume it was the Democratic Whitehouse before the facts are in?" Because it is their pattern to politicize everything they do, they have no honor or shame, and the professionals involved (except State Dept.) have no advantage to lying about the incident. The president did profit from the lies, and persisted in telling them himself for two weeks - even though he said at the 3rd debate that he knew it was terrorism from the beginning. The president's story keeps changing to fit the needs of the moment. The truth is not so malleable.
FluffyDogAttack Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,196 Points:114,340 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 3:28:34 AM Ignore FluffyDogAttack Report Abuse "Susan Rice told spontaneous lies in reaction to a youtube video." There ya go. That's a good excuse the idiots and libbers can buy. Worked once, why not a second time...
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,845 Points:2,928,295 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 12:33:20 AM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse But this plays into jobs on two fronts, Worryfree. First off, Obama wants to claim he has Al-Qaida on the run. Apparently he does not, as they are becoming more powerful in North and Western Africa. But I realize that didn't fit the campaign message that he "killed" AQ when the strike team got Bin Laden. And this "we got 'em" schtick is, in part, being used to justify cutting down our military and defense spending. I think he ought not to be so quick on that front for two reasons. First, AQ isn't dead yet. Second, when you cut military spending (like Clinton did with is so-called "peace dividend"), you not only put our country behind in military technologies, but you throw middle class, productive, educated working people out of a good paying job. Have you considered this?
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:24,017 Points:1,892,190 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 12:29:50 AM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse Why do cons assume it was the Democratic Whitehouse before the facts are in? Perhaps the WH had nothing to do with the initial erroneous statements. No one died as a result of what was said after the Benghazi murders.
noseatbelt Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,763 Points:207,330 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 8:00:48 PM Ignore noseatbelt Report Abuse Why do liberals not find it important to find out what happened in benghazi? obama and friends have changed their story so many times, to cover for obama, they probably don't know the truth anymore.
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:24,017 Points:1,892,190 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 3:54:54 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse The good thing about this is it is keeping Republicons busy kvetching over it. Otherwise they might be dealing with unimportant things like Iran and jobs and North Korea.
RogerB Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:18,232 Points:2,651,060 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 3:52:11 PM Ignore RogerB Report Abuse The Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said on CBS News' "Face the Nation" that the State and Defense Departments did not take appropriate precautions to prevent the attacks. "What I find absolute gross negligence in is they did not take the right precautions" to protect the U.S. compound in Benghazi, Rogers said Sunday. His counterpart in the Senate, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., echoed his remarks about the response to the attacks that killed four Americans. "... I think you have to blame the decision makers who didn't really make the right decision," she said on <a href="http://tinyurl.com/bok3hpp" target="_blank">"Face the Nation"</a>. Leslie Graham said that Susan Rice "didn't do herself much good" when she met with Republican critics this past week "I think her story on 16th of September was a political story... to help the president win the election," he said bluntly. Bob Schiefer agreed with everyone, saying: " ... The whole thing just doesn't seem right to me." [Edited by: RogerB at 12/2/2012 3:57:56 PM EST]
nstrdnvstr Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:37,025 Points:4,011,755 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 1:47:45 PM Ignore nstrdnvstr Report Abuse btc, the terrorists were mislead???? What terrorists? I thought Obama proclaimed that "Al Qaeda was decimated"! Oh wait, that wouldn't be any reason to claim that this attack was by protesters about a video, would it?
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,842 Points:2,742,420 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 12:29:21 AM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse btc1, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:18,041 Points:798,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 5:25:55 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse tim, who was mislead was the terrorists. They did not immediately get the recognition they were seeking.
teacher_tim Champion Author Maryland Posts:15,898 Points:749,380 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 4:38:43 PM Ignore teacher_tim Report Abuse Looks like it will take a congressional investigation after all.
teacher_tim Champion Author Maryland Posts:15,898 Points:749,380 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 11:05:31 PM Ignore teacher_tim Report Abuse gee sluggo, You mean Obama is defending Rice because he lied to her and now needs to defend her? Even more disturbing... or are you saying that Obama can't even get real info from his own appointees, who are afraid to make him look bad? [Edited by: teacher_tim at 11/22/2012 11:07:49 PM EST]
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,845 Points:2,928,295 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:09:47 PM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse By the way - how come the White House can leak classified information when it makes Obama look good and not be "busted" for it? But then, when intel is changed and the American people are lied to, also to make Obama look good, then that's not a cover up? I detect the stench of hypocrisy coming from Washington DC...
Hiram 615 Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:21,476 Points:2,507,305 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 1:06:48 PM Ignore Hiram 615 Report Abuse Intelligence officials told CNN that the intelligence community, not the White House, changed the now infamous Benghazi talking points given to U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice before her appearance on several morning news shows in September. CNN quoted both the spokesperson for the Director of National Intelligence and an anonymous official “familiar with the drafting of the talking points.” The DNI spokesperson said that the only “substantive changes” came from the intelligence community and not the White House. Official: Changes to Benghazi talking points made by intel community Shawn Turner, the spokesman for the Director of National Intelligence, told CNN that it wasn’t the White House’s decision: “The intelligence community made substantive, analytical changes before the talking points were sent to government agency partners for their feedback. There were no substantive changes made to the talking points after they left the intelligence community.” 2 time loser, McCain can now spend his time searching for another conspiracy theory to chase. Old soldiers never die, perhaps he should just fade away.
teacher_tim Champion Author Maryland Posts:15,898 Points:749,380 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 12:14:17 PM Ignore teacher_tim Report Abuse Speaking of Rice, if she needs the President to defend her from big and bad old Republicans, what business does she have representing/ negotiating for the U.S. with REAL enemies?!
e_jeepin Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,876 Points:123,170 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 11:43:43 AM Ignore e_jeepin Report Abuse Florida1541, you are sadly correct We seem to be beyond hope that Democrats will ever be held accountable for their bad decisions and deceptions. This past election proved it. Democrats got away with every lie they perpetrated against the public. The more they lied, the more voters chose Democrat! It all worked, they now will double down on deception! Every liberal here on GB insists there is no Benghazi story, there is no whodunnit, 4 people died, its the fault of a video maker now in jail. Oh look, the Prez is on Letterman! Benghazi was a bad policy decision and Dems will not be held accountable no matter what the evidence shows. Now it appears we have to approve of Susan Rice as Secretary of State or be forced to wear the racist patch on all articles of clothing. Face it, Obama lied, none of his 51% cares. They only care if the Obama inaugural ball wont be televised. Their hopeless love affair continues.
florida1541 Veteran Author Columbus Posts:399 Points:4,760 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 9:51:56 AM Ignore florida1541 Report Abuse so he lied so what he,s the pres and he is so cool he know,s jayzze and beyonse and so many stars and it was only 4 americans it,s like brian terrry we will investgate for a couple years and then sweep it under and forget thats what we do it,s how we roll remember what the dem,s use to say about bush and the clint mess no one died well guess what people are dying