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sissurf

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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 12:41:07 AM

5 Stages of Grief Over Mitt Romney's Loss

Stage 1: Denial I was at the Boston Convention Center the night of November 6. There were TVs and Romney sons everywhere, and a whole lot of staffers running around asking if the numbers coming in from Florida and Virginia could possibly be true. I stuck my fingers in my ears and ordered more wine. This can’t be happening, I thought to myself. We’re still going to win.

Stage 2: Anger That night, I watched Romney’s concession speech and I was mad at America. How could they vote for Liary-McLiar Pants instead of a principled, hard-working man that would put it all on the line for the good of the country? Please excuse my name-calling; I may still be a little miffed. Besides, if Obama doesn’t like being called a liar, maybe he should, oh, I don’t know … stop lying.

Stage 3: Bargaining I have a friend that said he feels like he’s in the third level of Inception, where they’re in the ice fortress place, and Eames turns to Cobb and says, “I really thought we had this one,” and then Cobb says he has to go another level down to go get Saito. Where is our option to go another level and save the campaign? It can’t be over -- just give us one more chance!

Stage 4: Depression So this is happening. Four. More. Years. Obamacare is here to stay. The most partisan president we’ve ever elected will nominate two to three new Supreme Court Justices. There are rumors that John “Swift Boat” Kerry may be our next Secretary of Defense. Companies aren’t hiring because they can’t afford to with all the restrictions and regulations Obama has imposed. What’s not to be depressed about?

Stage 5: Acceptance This too shall pass. Besides, who doesn’t like paying $5 a gallon for gasoline, or watching U.S. Ambassadors being murdered in Beghazi? Oh wait. I seem to be back to anger.

Fellow Republicans, take a deep breath and pass the wine. It’s going to be a bumpy four years.

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101Speedster
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1446 days, 23 hours, 52 minutes until the end of the Obama presidency.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 8:49:09 PM

Seems more like this:

Stage 1: Blind Rage
Stage 2: Blind Rage
Stage 3: Blind Rage
Stage 4: Blind Rage
Stage 5: Blind Rage

Then after 4 years we get to vote again and then the losing side gets to express their '5 stages' for the next 4 years.

Good grief the vitriol from the extreme Left and Right is nauseating these days.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 7:16:10 PM

The only grief I have, is the thought of trying to survive four more years of obamanomics, and hoping to still reckonize our country after another four years of obama trying to fundamentally change the way we live.
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EKEugene
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:29:06 AM


>> He only was trying to report wrongdoing so that nobody else gets cheated in the future. <<

- he only *claims* to have seen this wrongdoing, and this is the same guy who went looking back to the 18th century in search of anything from anywhere that could be used to disrupt Obama's citizenship, after he's already rightfully elected (the first time).

And besides all that, let's say there is some degree of fraud, some degree of error and some degree of miscount. Take them away in equal measures and you still come out with the same result. Unless somebody somewhere comes up with evidence of an organized (state-wide, times several states) system of fixing ballots to point in one direction, that's all there is.

So what's the point? It's already articulated: "I do not grieve over Romney's loss; I do something about it" -- "it" is not about voter fraud; "it" refers to Romney's loss. That's what he's working on.

And that, again, is the "Stage One" defined in the OP. Nothing about Stage One guarantees that one moves on to other stages if one is simply not prepared to.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:16:31 AM

Jes, I'll remind you that I am for entitlement cut backs, ending most corporate giveaways and nation building bribes to our bought friends around the world. This with additional revenue from the wealthiest Americans is the way to go.

florida, my son and grandchildren have great futures thanks to Grandpa's (that's me) financial planning. In your case I think the sky has fallen but fear not you are covered under Obamacare.

Ac-, "mostly fair and square". Do you care to explain your sour grapes excuses? "Blatant fraud at the polls". Not once did anyone present themselves as Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd, Rover D Fido or any of the many fraudulent voter names I heard so much about before the election. Had such an event happened it would have made headlines here.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:57:04 AM

What did the errant precinct captain do? I'd ask if they treated Dem voters different than Rep voters, but it shouldn't matter as this was not a primary. The ballot should have been the same for all.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:43:27 AM

"She claims to be a Republican but doesn't act like it. I suspect that was a lie to get the position as Election Officer."

Hmm, never known how anyone "acts" like a republican. Is the assumption republicans never lie?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:38:30 AM

EKEugene continued to carp: "That's his first line. His entire motivation is to overturn (or more realistically, deny) the election results. Just like all that previous rigamarole about who is a natural born citizen. Same transparent motivation, just this time it's specifically admitted. Right there leading off the post."

--I took this to mean something a little different. And I'd like BGT to chime in on the point.. I think everyone here accepts that Obama one MOSTLY fair and square. However, BGT saw blatant fraud at the polls. So that NO candidate (Dem or Rep) gets an unfair advantage again (so that all elections are fair and square and above-board), he saw a case of fraud and turned it in.

I don't know if you remember Ronald Reagan very well. Do you remember that he was against the 22nd Amendment that limited presidents to 2 terms. However, he only waited until AFTER his terms were up to protest it and to start a movement to repeal it. He didn't want to be thought of as some kind of sore loser. I view BGT in this same way. He only was trying to report wrongdoing so that nobody else gets cheated in the future.
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florida1541
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 9:58:10 AM

did you also tell your son and your grandchildren not to hope or look for his neighbors to look out for them while your children are out playing or don,t look for someone to stop and help your wife change that tire or other children to stand up to the bullies at school cause thats not what we do anymore so the sun will surely come up tommarow and the sky is,not falling but it is a cloudy day and in case you haven,t heard the sky,s are ,not exactly safe anymore !
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cbuck80
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 9:34:01 AM

Before the election I was the guy who checked the (Drinks occasionally) box and now I'm the guy who checks the (Drinks daily) box.
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 10:23:59 PM

Thanks for a helpful (but not hopeful) post, sisurf.

My one bit of consolation to offer: think of all the "moderates" who will have buyers' remorse next April 15. I have already advised a couple to hurry up and die this year because the estate taxes* will be going up January 1.

* Unless you're a Kennedy, then the rules don't apply.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 7:36:48 PM

gocatgo said: "Like I told my son who voted for Romney, the sun still shines, the stars come out at night and the sky is not falling."

And how did you tell him about the huge debt Obozo has piled on his shoulders, the anticipated large sum that he'll pile on top of that over the next 4 years and the high unemployment which will certainly cause your son and his generation great difficulty in achieving the American Dream?
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 6:55:41 PM

Just taking a tinier thread from this thread - about the Israeli - Gaza tension (!)....December 21st is fast approaching!

How are your bomb shelters faring?

Unfortunately, lots of people know I've been supporting the economy by buying up a bunch of on-sale stuff I use regularly whenever the prices are low. They'll have to walk up six storeys to get to me, though.

Unless my apartment building topples down, I'm fairly well-set for solar flares, magnetic pole reversal and the day the Mayans decided to end their calendar. ;-)
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 2:30:01 PM

EKE, "or more likely deny the election results" plus "he's not a citizen" BINGO. That about sums up the last 4 years for cons. I expect nothing less in the next 4 years from cons living in the state of denial.

Sis, if you need help there are programs available in the Commonwealth. I am a firm believer in family fist, pride being in a distant last place. The picture of you and your child speaks volumes about the love you have for your family.
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EKEugene
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 11:50:40 AM


>> That said, I again do not understand why guys like EK Eugene are carping about people turning in blatant frauds. <<

Then let me spell it out for you, AC.

BGT wasn't opining about fraud. His reasoning was this:

"I do not grieve over Romney's loss; I do something about it."

That's his first line. His entire motivation is to overturn (or more realistically, deny) the election results. Just like all that previous rigamarole about who is a natural born citizen. Same transparent motivation, just this time it's specifically admitted. Right there leading off the post.

See it now?

"If my guy wins, he wins. If my guy loses, there must be something wrong in the system. Or wait, maybe the other guy won but he's not a citizen" etc etc...


[Edited by: EKEugene at 11/18/2012 11:56:49 AM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 7:53:34 PM

Rumbleseat - I agree with you. The goal should be to strive for ZERO fraud in our elections. That said, I again do not understand why guys like EK Eugene are carping about people turning in blatant frauds.

Worryfree - The next four years are going to be bumpy for ALL Americans, not just lib or con, Dem or Rep. We are all in for some real trouble, you can be sure. The cuts that will be needed in our budget won't affect just the right, they'll affect the left just as much. Do I hope that the fool government can get together, negotiate with each other, and do the people's business? Yes, i hope they can, but I fear that BOTH sides may be ideologically too set in their ways to do "jack".

And I can also agree with you that the Republicans need to get off of the abortion debate, need to be a little more tolerant of some kind of immigration reform and need to show more fiscal responsibility. Now the Dems need to get off of gun control (a losing issue for the Democrats), need to be a little harder on criminal illegals, be harder on crime in general and to cut discretionary spending and welfare. Those are loser issues for the Dems. ObamaCare isn't helping them much either.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 7:50:48 PM

rumbleseat: "I don't understand. Why is a Chief Election Officer claiming to be a Republican, or any other party? Why should that make it more likely to get a position at the polls? Is that allowed during an election in the US?"

I have served as a polling location Judge on election day. Kentucky's rules are all I can speak about, but one representative from each party is required for every position at each precinct on election day.

At each precinct there are six election officers for the three positions--one Republican Judge & one Democrat Judge; one Republican Clerk & one Democrat Clerk; one Republican Sheriff and one Democrat Sheriff.

rumbleseat: "And we were expected to be totally non-political"

Same here. We are not to tell anyone, especially voters what our political affiliation is. We are not to discuss candidates, political views, etc., not even amongst officers. The balance of officers is to ensure nothing goes on inside the voting location that can be construed as steering.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/17/2012 7:52:33 PM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 4:48:12 PM

I don't understand. Why is a Chief Election Officer claiming to be a Republican, or any other party? Why should that make it more likely to get a position at the polls? Is that allowed during an election in the US?
When I worked for Elections Canada for 2 elections, and Elections Manitoba for 1 election, we were expected to be totally non-political. We voted for the party of our choice of course, that was our right, but whatever our position was, when talking to voters about ANYTHING, we were not to express political opinion, even to the odd voter who actually asked us who to vote for.

That being said, I have often said electoral fraud is unacceptable at any level. Some have said the level is too small to worry about. I believe even 1 fraudulent vote is unacceptable, and every effort should be made to reach that goal.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 2:25:59 PM

"But my self-worth is not wrapped up in either man, and neither should yours be. What do we do? We move on and hope for the best for our country. When our elected idiot, sorry.. our "esteemed president" makes a decision, or floats one, and it is wrong for America, we speak up against it. We do not oppose Obama just because we dislike the other side. WE oppose policies when they are wrong for our country. And that should never change. But then again, it is not acceptable for the other party (in this case, the Dems and the President) to shut out the other representatives who represent 48% of the population in this last election. "
AC-302, I would agree with this statement (maybe excluding the name calling, but you did apologize).. Not sure of the final %'s , and as usual, there were many people that chose not to vote due to the candidates available.

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worryfree
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 2:01:55 PM

It's going to be more than 4 bumpy years for you cons. You will have learned nothing in this election and a Dem will be elected Pesident in 2016. Maybe you'll wise up by 2020.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:28:55 PM

In the words of Janis Joplin, "Cry, Cry, Baby".

Like I told my son who voted for Romney, the sun still shines, the stars come out at night and the sky is not falling.
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EKEugene
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:08:55 PM


>> Are you suggesting that somehow he is wrong for wanting his elections to be fair and according to the laws? <<

Uh, no.
I'm noting that the poster has a history of dogged determination to disprove that which is readily apparent based on a doctrine of Denailism (witness the birther blather) -- which is defined in the OP as "Stage One". That would appear to be his position, would it not?

(we note here that even if his quest, however noble, carries the day, it does not carry the Commonwealth of Virginia, hence changes nothing in the final results. And even if it did carry the Commonwealth of Virginia it would give Romney the total of 219 electoral votes, which is still 61 shy.)


By the way, where's the "secede my state" -slash- "lay off workers" Stage? I guess that's a subset of Stage One?

Is there any movement beyond Stage One? I see where John Grumpy Old Man McCain has moved onto #2... is that it?

Seems Barbara Bush is already at Stage Five. What's holding back the rest of the party?
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 12:46:28 PM

at first i thought the 5 stages were a piece to be humorous. but it was really just whiney. and all the absolute false tidbits to make your points. i say BOO ON YOU. and i reccomend curtailing anything political on here. it is boring and annoying and it is usually some second hand statement of rt wing radio.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 12:06:58 PM

EK Slug.. oh, never mind..

So BGT saw a fraud and documented it. Are you suggesting that somehow he is wrong for wanting his elections to be fair and according to the laws? Why, because as long as Obama wins, anything goes? Nope, sorry.. doesn't wash. No matter who wins, it ought to be without fraud and the elections above board. He found a precinct captain who violated the law - twice in fact. What is wrong with demanding prosecution. You know, like the Black Panthers and their intimidations? Or ACORN and their false registrations? Those should have been investigated and prosecuted as well.
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EKEugene
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 11:33:05 AM


I see BlackGumTree is really getting deep into Stage One. I guess the birther stuff got old.

Interject a quote here:
"People spoke. Move on, get on with it. I want to do other things and not to be ugly. They are going to have to compromise.., it's not a dirty word."
-- Barbara Bush, yesterday

Ya know this title "5 Stages of Grief Over Mitt Romney's Loss" kind of assumes that Romney's loss brought about grief. For most of us that's not the case. In fact in light of his sore-loser commentary after the fact, it's more relief than grief. Before the election I really didn't think it mattered that much; now I think we dodged a bullet.


("Liary-McLiar Pants"?? Is this from the same source that gave us "poopy-head"? Is that why Mitt wanted to kill Big Bird? Too intellectual?)

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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:48:38 AM

I do not grieve over Romney's loss; I do something about it.

The Chief Election Officer is my precinct violated the law in this election.

She claims to be a Republican but doesn't act like it. I suspect that was a lie to get the position as Election Officer.

She violated the law last year and denied that she did. This year I teamed up with a Democrat lawyer to nail her on one offense, and I will be bringing other charges backed up by poll watchers who were prevented from doing their jobs in violation of the law. I have demanded of the Electoral Board that she not longer serve as an Election Officer.

Her actions are those of someone supporting voter fraud.

Who else has found fraud in their precinct?
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 10:39:29 AM

The country will just have to learn the hard way, through experience. It could be worse, and I'm sure it probably will be.
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 9:19:46 AM

"I'm really worried, like I have never been before. The only time I've felt this way, was just before 9-11."

Everyone worries from time to time, but most of the time things turn out to be different from what the person was expecting.
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:48:07 AM



I'm really worried, like I have never been before. The only time I've felt this way, was just before 9-11.

For the first time in my life I am really worried about Israel. It just feels different this time and I believe there is going to be an all out war like we have never seen or heard of before.

There's going to be a lot of people going hungry and becoming homeless. I work with the homeless with my church and every year, more and more people come. People are now coming with children!

[Edited by: sissurf at 11/17/2012 1:49:11 AM EST]
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:40:30 AM


AC-302, nicely said.

It takes a good person, to lend a hand to another, thanks for being open enough to do that.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:33:00 AM

rumbleseat, nicely said.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:26:32 AM

Understand that I'm a moderate, and I wanted Mitt Romney to win, not the clown we have now.

But my self-worth is not wrapped up in either man, and neither should yours be. What do we do? We move on and hope for the best for our country. When our elected idiot, sorry.. our "esteemed president" makes a decision, or floats one, and it is wrong for America, we speak up against it. We do not oppose Obama just because we dislike the other side. WE oppose policies when they are wrong for our country. And that should never change. But then again, it is not acceptable for the other party (in this case, the Dems and the President) to shut out the other representatives who represent 48% of the population in this last election.
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:18:28 AM

Are you trying to tell me this is not a 5 point grief program, rumbleseat?

I can't cry on your shoulder?!

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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:13:20 AM


I too feel like it's going to be a spiral down hill. Soon there won't be enough Santa hand outs, because people are losing there jobs left and right.

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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 1:06:58 AM

The election is over, the choice has been made.
There is a choice to be made.
Bitch and moan for 4 years, and support Republicans who will fight everything for the sake of fighting, as did those whose major goal was to make Obama a one-term President. That cheated everybody.
Roll up the sleeves and get to work the way America is supposed to work. Be constructive, not destructive. I am not saying don't criticize, Lord knows I criticize my Federal and Provincial governments often enough, but work with the system for the best results possible.
We are your closest allies, neighbours, and trading partners, what happens in your country affects my country. I wish the best for your country, which can only be achieved with co-operative effort, not idealogical bickering, from the people.
IMHO

[Edited by: rumbleseat at 11/17/2012 1:07:59 AM EST]
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ihuey99
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2012 12:53:44 AM

Bumpy four years yes.. However, I really don't know if Romney would have changed all that much especially with a senate that would block him in everything.

The public is of an opinion that handouts and ideology will get them through everything. Sadly this isn't the case as the country will be finding out sooner than later.
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