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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 4:21:58 PM

....and no wonder why:

"Rice has been consistently silent on other important issues and ineffective when she does engage. She skipped Security Council meetings when Israel needed defending and even failed to show up for the emergency session on the Gaza Flotilla incident.

Rice didn’t even show up for the first two emergency Security Council meetings on the unfolding Arab Spring revolution last year. Rice stayed silent when Iran was elected to the U.N. women’s committee, she didn’t call out Libya when it was elected to the Human Rights Council, she was absent from the Haiti crisis meeting and was a no-show for the last open meeting scheduled before the planned UN vote to recognize Palestinian statehood. When she actually does show up, she is a miserable failure."



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Panama19
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 9:13:19 PM


SAVMOR, "Guess John Kerry will be the one who gets the offer for Secretary of State now"

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2012 9:08:50 PM

Susan Rice took her name off the plate today for possible consideration for Secretary of State. IMO it was done for sympathy and the fact that Obama did not want to have the Benghazi incident be out front again when she would have been questioned about it. It would not surprise me if Obama himself asked her to play it this way. Now Benghazi will be on the back page so to speak until an investigation is brought forward again. Obama can now appoint Rice for a position within his cabinet that does not need the approval of congress.

Guess John Kerry will be the one who gets the offer for Secretary of State now.

[Edited by: SAVMOR at 12/13/2012 9:10:09 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 11:30:32 PM

SGM - marty's post sums up nothing - as usual he is trying to obfuscate the issue and is wasting peoples time.

I say again - "I'm interested in your reasoning as to why the coverup and lies of Benghazi isnt worse than Watergate?" --- care to explain your thought?
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 10:54:53 AM

Is Susan Rice is who Obama wants... Let him have her. He's the one that will have to live with her only using talking points. Puppets work well in cabinet positions.
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 10:07:52 AM

I am not sure ambassador rice has the right stuff. All she had to do was to stay within excepted norms and tell us. The bombing was a terrorist act committed by ... and we will look to the ends of earth to find said persons. Then after an exhaustive investigation, tell us iran had yellowcake from africa and needed to be punished. Methinks that would have met mccains' wishes and we could all move forward, perhaps.
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 8:02:07 AM

Flyboy nobody died because of Watergate.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 11:35:30 PM

This administration is as "transparent" as sheet of lead 12" thick. Susan Rice has proven her worthiness to move up to a position of capo within the Obama administration. It isn't as easy as it might look to get on a bunch of talking head programs and read fake talking points, and successfully convince the viewers of their alleged authenticity, enough so as to get Obama re-elected again.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 11:30:04 PM

flyboy, Marty's post pretty much sums it up.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 10:59:18 PM

SGM - ""No, it is a scandal worse than Watergate."

That is utterly ridiculous."

I'm interested in your reasoning as to why the coverup and lies of Benghazi isnt worse than Watergate?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 10:57:32 PM

“”””The two senators have pilloried Rice for saying the attack in Benghazi was the result of a spontaneous protest against an anti-Islam film. However, Stewart noted that both McCain and Graham had falsely told the public that Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction.””””””Lets not forget the rest of the so called lyres who said Iraq had WMD.


Mubarak, King Abdullah, John F. Kerry, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards Ted Kennedy, Dick Gephardt, Wesley Clark, Madeline Albright, Bill Clinton he even bombed a nonexistent WMD plant, Sandy Berger, Tom Daschle and many others who ALL said Iraq had WMD..


[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 11/29/2012 10:58:59 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 10:46:03 PM

SAVMOR - well said. The WH "plumbers" got arrested for breaking into a building. In this case, it wasn't simply that a campaign office was broken into, it's that 4 guys got killed (needlessly), and now the President is covering it up. The cover up may well be illegal.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 10:42:50 PM

"No, it is a scandal worse than Watergate."

That is utterly ridiculous.””


The Water Gate scandal was about politically motivated breaking and robbery. The robbery was done by people who where not part of the government and the only reason it became an issue was the President was involved in the cover-up. No one was killed and the president resigned.

In Iran Contra weapons where illegally sold to people in a foreign country that where fighting communists. A Marian Corps colonel either was responsible or took the blame. Regardless he was court marshaled and discharged. No American where killed

Bill Clinton was accused of sexual harassment before he became President, lied to the grand jury, bombed a baby food plant in Iraq, was impeached but not found guilty and paid an out of court sentiment of 850,000. No Americans where killed

Benghazi gate U.S ambassador repeatedly asks for more security, the security teem on the ground requests more security. The conciliate is attacked twice, in one attack the wall is breached with explosives. The State department response is to reduce security even farther. The ambassador is killed along with three others. In less than 24 hours the intelligence community knows it was a terror attack involving RPG’s machine guns and mortars. Obama give a speech that could be seen to mean anything when the bodies come back to the U.S. because he rolled a 9-11-01 attack speech in with the comments on Benghazi. Five days after the attack Rice goes out and tells the American people that the attack was a spontaneous response to a video, statements that where already being disputed in the press.

So to sum it up
We had a break in and cover-up
Illeagal sales of weapons and cover-up
A sexual predator lying to a grand jury
The killing of four Americans due to negligence and a cover-up

Do you really think the break in, while a violation of the law, was the worst thing to happen. To me it seems that they just keep getting worse.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 8:21:01 PM

Jon Stewart Takes McCain and Graham to Task for Hypocrisy of Susan Rice Attacks


The two senators have pilloried Rice for saying the attack in Benghazi was the result of a spontaneous protest against an anti-Islam film. However, Stewart noted that both McCain and Graham had falsely told the public that Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction.

“Unfortunately, that’s not really a fair one-to-one comparison, because Susan Rice admitted to the error within weeks — these two still refuse to acknowledge that invading a country based on information from a source named ‘curveball’ was actually considered a pretty shitty idea by many at the time,” Stewart said.

“If only we had a more direct comparison to make here. Like another high-ranking government official passing what they knew at the time was misleading intelligence to the American public on a Sunday news show, also in line to become secretary of state, and was African American, and a woman, and lets say her name was also Rice. That’d be something.”


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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 8:06:12 PM

<<"No, it is a scandal worse than Watergate." >>

If Benghazi is worse than Watergate and no one died as a result of Watergate will this president also resign before he is investigated like Nixon did?

[Edited by: SAVMOR at 11/29/2012 8:07:35 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 7:33:08 PM

“””It is all about politics.”””

This is a 100% correct statement, but not for the reason claimed. This is about the politics of covering up the gross negligence that resulted in the needless deaths of four American government workers to include our ambassador.

This is about the politics of hiding and covering for the person or persons who refused the requested security and why it was refused.

This is about the politics of trying to make the hard question of whom and why vanish with the dog and pony show involving Rice.

I am deeply disappointed in the Republicans for not sticking to the important questions and taking the easy route of going after the obvious Judas Goat, Susan Rice. While I won’t say it was Obama it had to be one or more of his political appointees. The State department is responsible for the security of our ambassadors. That was Clinton’s department and the requests went to State.

The claim “we had no actionable intelligence of an attack” was the result of negligence, wishful thinking, or a straight up lie.

If Rice didn’t have the intelligence to question the talking points by Sunday when she went on T.V. I don’t think she has the intelligence to run the State Department. It’s either that or she new and was a willing party to the cover-up.
Either way she is not fit to head State.In the end all Rice did was participate in the cover-up of the missteps that led to the deaths the truth about what realy happened. When she went on T.V. information was out there that her talking points were wrong and she knew it, if not she’s incompetent. All she did was lie to the American public just like EVERY politician does, and that unfortunately is not a crime.

In the end the worst that will happen to Rice is she will not get the Secretary of State position. But the people who are responsible for the deaths, through their negligence, will never be named much less be held accountable.

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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 9:53:58 AM

"No, it is a scandal worse than Watergate."

That is utterly ridiculous.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 9:46:22 AM

Once again, EKEugene blathered: "Cease and desist trying to imply that the way Susan Rice characterized the action later *caused* those four deaths retroactively. NOBODY here is that stupid."

--Nobody is saying anyone is stupid. Nobody here that I can tell has said Susan Rice caused the deaths. It would appear from the evidence that these men could have been saved, had the President and his advisors given the word to do so.

Rice's part in this is that, on behalf of the administration, she lied to the American people, telling them that this was a spontaneous demonstration of folks who were angry about a YouTube video that nobody had really seen. It was not, it was a concerted attack. And that attack was perpetrated by Al Qaida. Speculation is that since it was AQ, news of this might be hurtful to Obama's re-election. So they chose to cover it up. Rice lied on behalf of Obama, and therefore, by extension, Obama lied. Rice is part of a cover-up of an incident that got 4 Americans needlessly killed. Obama didn't even try to save those men, and he should have. That is reprehensible. This needs to be investigated, both the incident and the ensuing cover-up. And just like Nixon (Watergate), Reagan (Contra-gate) and Clinton (Monica-gate) this also needs to be investigated, and the guilty need to be punished. And I agree, Carney also needs to apologize for lying to the public. But you know, why isn't the press corps all over him for telling lies? Oh, yeah, that's right.. the press corps are mostly lefties, and the LIKE Obama. So that makes it OK to be lied to by him. He gets a free pass.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 7:34:17 AM

All of this stuff about Rice is just a smoke screen.
So far this week three Republicans have stated on TV that Sen.John Kerry (D) would be a better choice for Sec. of State.

Why?

Because that would vacate a senate seat that Republican Scott Brown may be able to fill.

It is all about politics.

[Edited by: Cliffisher at 11/29/2012 7:35:33 AM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2012 6:08:52 AM

"I have...and have written papers on our Constitution."

I hope they were of better quality than your previous post. Perhaps you were absent the day your class studied Article II, Section 2.



"official positions like the Secretary of State CAN be appointed while in recess with one little minor problem...when Congress reconvenes they must approve that appointment. If it is not approved by the Senate the position becomes vacant again."

Too bad you didn't say that the first time. Nice try at covering up your error although it would be better to just admit you were in error.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 11/29/2012 6:10:54 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 9:29:51 PM

"Do some research next time you think about telling me to do some research."

I have...and have written papers on our Constitution. One problem with everyone's thinking...official positions like the Secretary of State CAN be appointed while in recess with one little minor problem...when Congress reconvenes they must approve that appointment. If it is not approved by the Senate the position becomes vacant again.
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 7:56:56 PM

obama needs to suck it up and nominate someone other than rice. let's face it, she's already fell on the sword of dishonesty and cover up. do we really need another clash when there is so much more that needs to be done?
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 7:53:37 PM


Coining a new phrase:

Did you see the game the other night?

They were on that QB like "the right on Rice".
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 7:00:23 PM

Now back to Rice. She became the public face of the, let’s call it what it was, a lie. Regardless of how or why she got the incorrect information has become irrelevant for her because she owns it now. She has become damaged goods and was used as a fall person if the lie blew up on them.

It is my “””opinion””” that for some unknown reasons someone knowingly sent her out with bad information. Personally I won’t even guess as to who or why. Too many news outlets had refuted the idea of a protest by the time she went on T.V.

The fact that this happened after the ambassador and three others were killed is correct and the press releases by rice after the fact made no difference in their deaths. By the way Thanks EKE for reminding me of that and getting me back to the part that has me hot.

The part that has me more irate than the lie repeated by Rice; is we are not hearing a thing on who refused the repeated request for more security, why was it denied and why was the security level reduced even after repeated requests to have it increased, epically after numerous attacks on U.S. and other Western interests. This was just as stupid as having Marines grading a sight with no ammunition in a hostel country. You think we would know better by now.

Much like with the Monica Lewinsky case with Bill Clinton we will hear all about the lie, cover-up and the related scandal. What was forgotten in the Bill Clinton case is why Clinton was asked about Lewinsky. All we heard was “he lied about sex and we all do it.” He was asked about his sex life because he was being investigated for work place sexual harassment and he lied about a relationship that could have given credence to the charge by showing a pattern of abuse.

In the Benghazi case issue of the security failure is going to be shifted to the rear of the discussion and slowly be completely forgotten. In the end we will never know who was responsible and why it was done. This is the investigation should be about; this was the real crime that should be answered for. This is what caused the death of four Americans. In the end we will never know and those responsible will get a free pass and Rice will take the heat.

As I said before If I was Rice I would be demanding to know who set me up.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 11/28/2012 7:04:36 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 6:45:18 PM

Obama, is afraid she will break down, and quit lieing, and tell the truth about the cover up, and he will be right at the top of it.
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johnnyg1200
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“”””MTM...do some research next time. That cannot happen because the president nominates and the Senate approves. Sorry to burst your bubble....”””

Reagan, Bush one, Clinton, Bush two and Obama have all done it. If fact to my surprise Obama has made fewer recess appointments per year than any of them. Now what I haven’t researched is what types of positions have been filled or under what circumstances. I’m not sure if that makes a difference though and that would take a whole lot of time I don’t have.
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 5:27:40 PM

"MTM...do some research next time. That cannot happen because the president nominates and the Senate approves. Sorry to burst your bubble...."


The President shall have power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session. --Article II, Section 2 of the U. S. Constitution

Recess Appointment of Lawrence S. Eagleburger as Secretary of State


Do some research next time you think about telling me to do some research.


[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 11/28/2012 5:32:00 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 5:00:23 PM

MTM...do some research next time. That cannot happen because the president nominates and the Senate approves. Sorry to burst your bubble....
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AC-302, "But Marty, with the live feeds that were known to have been on, and with two attacks that were carried out, don't you think we could have taken action to save these men?"

We had AC-130s and armed drones within range, and laser designators on the ground in the Annex which could have directed the fire - but they were not used.

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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 4:49:31 PM

But Marty, with the live feeds that were known to have been on, and with two attacks that were carried out, don't you think we could have taken action to save these men? If it's no big deal, then would you be volunteering to do their job and put yourself at risk?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 4:40:48 PM

"4 dead and that's much ado about nothing?"

Comparatively speaking, it is.

What Obama should do is appoint Rice the minute the Senate goes into recess.
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 12:52:49 PM

nst - PRECISELY SO! Can't agree more.

SGM - Somebody from the WH was fibbing. OK, who was it and why? That needs to be brought to light. Why did Rice go out on TV to mislead the American people. The talking points were wrong, and were known to be wrong by the time they were given. And Rice just went before a hearing yesterday and admitted she misled the public. Great! Now tell us who did it and why they told her to lie to the people? That needs to happen. She lied to the American people. Again, was she ignorant, or culpable. And even some of the less vocal senators have gone on the news to say that her testimony raised as many questions as it answered. And no, for misleading the people for her bosses, she doesn't deserve to be SoS. Here now, if she lied and deceived the people about Benghazi, what else will she lie to the people about if she's given even MORE power? It's also a question that needs to be answered. I think we can't take the risk that she will lie for political expedience.
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 12:19:54 PM

sgm4law sez:
"Much ado over nothing usually means you should look for an ulterior motive."
I agree- but not that the Republican questions about Rice are "nothing".

Applied to Obama's strident and unneeded defense of Rice, one DOES wonder what his ulterior motive might be...
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 12:05:18 PM

" Much ado over nothing usually means you should look for an ulterior motive."

Really, sgm4law? So tell us, if Obama knew, and stated the very next day from the Rose Garden that Benghazi was a terrorist attack, why did he send Ambassador Rice out (and Jay Carney) to say (many times) that it was the result of the video and NOT an organized terrorist attack?

Either way, somebody from the White House was lying.
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 12:04:01 PM

sgm4law said
"So, is the real reason the GOP is going after Rice that they wanted Kerry for Secretary of State so they have a chance to get Scott Brown back in the Senate? Is this Benghazi mania just a smokescreen? Makes sense to me. Much ado over nothing usually means you should look for an ulterior motive." You obviously have been voting to keep Joe Biden in the Senate.
4 dead and that's much ado about nothing?
Keep on drinking that stuff. Maybe it'll wake up your brain.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 12:00:06 PM

“”””””Obama says leave Rice alone....

And it's no wonder; he is busy hiding behind her skirts.””””
O dam. Don’t say things like that I almost spit my coffee on the monitor.


[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 11/28/2012 12:01:18 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 10:49:54 AM

"Makes sense to me. Much ado over nothing usually means you should look for an ulterior motive."

Or that you were listening to MSNBC again...
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sgm4law, "Is this Benghazi mania just a smokescreen?"

No, it is a scandal worse than Watergate.

This administration was negligent in not only failing to provide the security requested for months, but also pulling two security teams out of Libya along with the C-47 aircraft they had to move security teams and diplomats quickly this past August - despite warnings from the diplomats about al-Qaida buildup in the Benghazi region and the evacuation of the British diplomats because of the deteriorating situation.

Evidently Obama wanted to give the impression that our Libya policy was a success and that al-Qaida was decimated – both of which were obviously false if we needed more security there.

Then, with real time communications from the consulate and video from the drone overhead being piped into the Situation Room, the President dithered for 7 to 9 hours without deciding to send them the military assistance which was available and within range while our people died - pleading for help that never came.

And finally, Obama sent his people out to lie about what had happened and what he knew for the weeks running up to the election, and the MSM showed no interest whatsoever in the matter - presumably because it would prevent Obama's re-election if the public was aware of this administration's incompetence or malfeasance.

And then there was the speculation that Obama had worked out a deal with Mohamed Morsi to let our ambassador be captured, and then freed by Obama working a deal to exchange him for the blind sheikh we have imprisoned for the first attack on the World Trade Center. Morsi had made a big deal about getting the blind sheikh freed and the Obama administration was in negotiations to do so, according to leaked accounts in the news.

The Benghazi incident is only meaningless to those on the left who do not wish to see their leader called to account for his actions.


[Edited by: Panama19 at 11/28/2012 10:43:52 AM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 8:06:15 AM

So, is the real reason the GOP is going after Rice that they wanted Kerry for Secretary of State so they have a chance to get Scott Brown back in the Senate? Is this Benghazi mania just a smokescreen? Makes sense to me. Much ado over nothing usually means you should look for an ulterior motive.
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Cliffisher, "You all (Hard right) worked your butts off to get me banned three years ago"

I doubt that. Banning those with whom one disagrees is a tactic of the left.

The right typically looks past leftist childishness and goes on to other things.

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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 7:28:54 AM

Leave her alone and IMPEACH him!
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MiddletownMarty
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"War will never be free of death but at least we are getting fewer of our men killed, and fewer would be killed if politicians would tell the military what to do not how to do it with insane rules of engagement. "

Fewer still would be killed if we weren't so quick to go to war in the first place. Wars should be financed up front.
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 7:13:50 AM

As sure as the sun will rise in the east, the hard right has selective memory lose.

This my last response to this.

You all (Hard right) worked your butts off to get me banned three years ago.

You have now selectively denied your posts about Iraq because there is no history on this site beyond one year.

Sorry but it will not happen again.

The ignore button will become my friend.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 7:08:45 AM


Obama says leave Rice alone....

And it's no wonder; he is busy hiding behind her skirts.

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johnnyg1200, "War will never be free of death but at least we are getting fewer of our men killed, and fewer would be killed if politicians would tell the military what to do not how to do it with insane rules of engagement"

Bingo.

It would help if they also kept up funding for training, maintenance, and weapons development instead of gutting the military at every opportunity as the Dems are wont to do.

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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2012 12:36:15 AM

“”Your tone sure has turned 180°since you both where calling me every name in the book for stating the total of 4,488 troops killed in Iraq after Bush's lies.””

There is a difference between working with the intelligence that was believed by most of the world to include Clinton, who also bombed Iraq, and using talking points that where already being shown to be incorrect. News agencies in the U.S. and overseas where disputing the “spontaneous protest” story before rice went on T.V. with the incorrect information.

To put the 4488 KIA in Iraq over ten years in perspective. The U.S. lost 1465 on D Day that’s just one battle. The U.S lost 6800 in about three weeks at Iwo Jima taking one island. The Battle of the Bulge cost the U.S. 10,276 dead with another 70,000 plus wounded.

War will never be free of death but at least we are getting fewer of our men killed, and fewer would be killed if politicians would tell the military what to do not how to do it with insane rules of engagement.

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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2012 11:40:26 PM

First I have to say that Rice showed very poor judgment going on five talk shows with these talking points when by that time it was well known that they were wrong. At the very least she should have asked a few questions with the several media outlets already releasing information that contradicting the talking points.

The second thing I want to know is who changed them, a name and position, and why.

As the spokes person she had a responsibility to give accurate information or at least say we don’t know at this time. We hear that all the time.

At the very least she was set up as a fall person if anything went wrong. Now she should be demanding to know who set her up. If a white republican had done this to her we would be hearing the screams of racism. If I was her I would want someone’s head on a platter because she was made to look like a fool and her career is toast.

I think she will be nominated for Sec of State. The nomination will be resisted and she will be appointed as a recess appointment by Obama bypassing congress.
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2012 9:46:13 PM

Cliffsher whined: "Your tone sure has turned 180°since you both where calling me every name in the book for stating the total of 4,488 troops killed in Iraq after Bush's lies."

--And ditto Flyboy. Where did I call you names at all? Until now, you've been fairly measured in your responses.

And are you now going to compare Bush to Obama and say "Well, Obama only lied and killed 4 guys?" Bad argument. Are you wanting to "go there" with that "Bush lied, people died" nonsense? This has already been busted many times over, but a certain cadre of liberals keep clinging to it like a capsized canoe in a storm.
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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2012 9:12:45 PM

Obama says leave Rice alone and come after me..... some of the powers that be may take him up on his words with an investigation into what he knew and when if this Benghazi thing continues to deteriorate. The people who met with Susan Rice today didn't sound like they were happy about what they heard and in fact seemed less inclined to confirm a Susan Rice nomination.
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Ladygator2007
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 6:47:18 AM

If he wants her left alone he should have never sent her out there. He is acting like Mr. Stand up Guy saying if people have a problem they should come to him. They have gone to him and he either side steps the question or flat out LIES
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2012 1:39:26 AM

I think that anyone that will be elected to public office should be put under scrutiny for their ability to be effective in that position. When we look at Rice's record in the past, it is not comforting in any way shape or form. This has nothing to do with her as a person, but from previous actions and positions.
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