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RNorm

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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:05:58 AM

"It has been one week since President Barack Obama was re-elected, and, frankly, I'm disappointed.

I was told — by none other than Chuck Norris, famous actor and kicker of butts — that if the president won a second term, America would plunge into "1,000 years of darkness."

The sun's still shining, Mr. Norris. Don't tell me the YouTube channel where you broadcast your prediction lied to me.

Moreover, Tom Head, a county judge in Texas, envisioned that if Obama won the election he would hand over sovereignty of the United States to the United Nations: "What do you think the public is going to do when that happens? We are talking civil unrest, civil disobedience ... possibly civil war, OK?"

OK. I'm always up for some disobedience and would love to invade Indiana. Why's nothing happening?

Rush Limbaugh predicted the economy would collapse. The American Family Association's Bryan Fischer said there would be "serious talk about secession in any number of places around America." But the first seven days post-election have been notably nonapocalyptic.

What gives? It's enough to make me think that, had Mitt Romney won the election, other nightmare scenarios might have fizzled as well.

After all, actor Richard Belzer, via the always thoughtful megaphone of Twitter, envisioned the result of a Romney victory: "AMERICA WILL EXPLODE."



BOTH sides had their harbingers of Doom....
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 11:47:13 AM

"Perhaps the Israel-Gaza Strip border is closer to the apocalypse. Do you suppose Hamas leaders thought about Obama's luke-cold attitude toward Israel before deciding to fire rockets into the country? Maybe Obama can be more "flexible" with them, too? He could get great press by standing on the border there and holding up his Nobel Peace Prize, I'm sure. "


Yeah, that could usher it in REAL quick. I don't care who the president is, you really can't be flexible with zealots; ever.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 11:40:43 AM

A house?! Lost one to fire, it's pretty devastating but I had a job to pay the insurance, etc. so it was rebuilt. What happens when you lose the house because you lost your job and can't pay for it?

Just wondering out loud: Perhaps the Israel-Gaza Strip border is closer to the apocalypse. Do you suppose Hamas leaders thought about Obama's luke-cold attitude toward Israel before deciding to fire rockets into the country? Maybe Obama can be more "flexible" with them, too? He could get great press by standing on the border there and holding up his Nobel Peace Prize, I'm sure.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 11:32:04 AM

"I'd bet there are about 18,500 soon-to-be former Hostess employees who feel like it's here, RNorm. "


I'm sorry, but I don't see losing a job as equating to the apocalypse.

Losing a house, maybe; but a job, no.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 9:55:01 AM

"Post-election apocalypse so far a no-show"

I'd bet there are about 18,500 soon-to-be former Hostess employees who feel like it's here, RNorm.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:44:08 PM

ok norm he might not have said over night, but he did promise to fix it if he was elected.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:41:07 PM

"When Obama was elected the first time, he did basicly promise a overnight fix, did it happen?"


Actually he didn't say that. You might want to go back and look again.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:18:22 PM

unemployment is going up, and it will get worse, if Obama gets his way.
how exactly has Obama made the government smaller? We now have Obamacare, and thousands more job killing regulations.
Are things better, barely and many economists think we are starting a down turn.
When Obama was elected the first time, he did basicly promise a overnight fix, did it happen?
Obama, was a mistake, the first time, and he will be a bigger mistake this time.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:37:04 PM

"so norm, do you listen to obama at all, his policies failed, and it sounds like all we will get from him is more of the same. "


I listen to them all.

Again, are we losing 800,000 jobs a month? - No.

Did he cut the size of the federal government (a big righty whine)? - Yes.

Are things as bad as they were when he started? (No, but the right wants overnight results to fix the mess that was left, but then says it will take years for the effects of Obama to kick in; go figure)

Are you better off today? (I am, but that's because I'm responsible for my situation, but yet the right says no but they're always talking about being responsible for their own situation and self-determination).

Sounds like you all are just moaning and whining and would be saying diddly squat if things slowly improved and Romney (or McCain) was president.

No surprise there.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:28:44 PM

listening to mitch today I doubt it. so norm, do you listen to obama at all, his policies failed, and it sounds like all we will get from him is more of the same.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:12:29 PM

"Norm, Obama has been the one not wanting to give in to anything. You have a Senate that will not even bring a budget to the table to vote on it. It has been our way or no way under this administration. Obama and Reid have purposely left the GOP out. How can you negotiate any kind of real working plan where both sides give some skin when one side is not even invited to the negotiating table? "


But you can't blame it all on Obama when you have McConnell stating that it was the Senate GOP Policy to block EVERYTHING (even bills where there was bipartisan support [like the veterans aid bill]), solely to keep the economy in shambles and to use that against Obama in order to make him a 1-term president. It takes TWO to tango and maybe now that the GOP failed in their policy, they might try something new (like doing what's best for the COUNTRY (regardless of the party)...but listening to Mitch today; I doubt it.

[Edited by: RNorm at 11/15/2012 6:20:06 PM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 5:55:09 PM

So far the stock markets are not making Obama look good. Neither are the new unemployment numbers.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 5:47:30 PM

"The taxes that Obama is proposing on the "rich" will only be a drop in the ocean compared to the spending cuts that have been proposed by both sides. "

Nice try, but the original question predated the Republican primaries. Remember... the primaries whose winner would go on to secure the White House?

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 11/15/2012 5:48:49 PM EST]
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 5:45:00 PM

funny thing is, before the election, and it looked like romney was ahead the markets were slowly going up, the day after obama gets re elected, the markets started going down, and havn't stoped.
the cbo says raising taxes on the wealthy, will cost 200,000 jobs. The layoffs because of obamacare have started, many workers will see their hours reduced, because of obamacare, the fiscal cliff is looming larger every day, and no liberals, if it happens it won't all be because of republicans, obama gets to share the blame.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 5:27:26 PM

Because that was the right answer. The taxes that Obama is proposing on the "rich" will only be a drop in the ocean compared to the spending cuts that have been proposed by both sides. It is a lot more than 10 - 1. It was a trick question with no right answer.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 5:18:41 PM

"It is too broad of a question to answer and too little to cut in reality."

Not for the Republican contenders to the primary. They all answered "no."
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 5:16:26 PM

"Obama never made that offer. That was a question asked (by the moderator) of the Republican candidates during debates just before the Republican primary. None of them found that acceptable."

It is too broad of a question to answer and too little to cut in reality.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 4:54:58 PM

"I seem to recall Obama offering $10 in cuts for every $1 in taxes."

Obama never made that offer. That was a question asked (by the moderator) of the Republican candidates during debates just before the Republican primary. None of them found that acceptable.





[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 11/15/2012 4:56:15 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 4:41:23 PM

Hiram, has that been an official proposal or some more campaign material? Hmm...

I do not think they have even sat down to look at it yet so all it has been is a speech until it becomes a negotiated proposal.
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Hiram 615
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 4:31:29 PM

"How can you negotiate any kind of real working plan where both sides give some skin when one side is not even invited to the negotiating table?"

I seem to recall Obama offering $10 in cuts for every $1 in taxes. Was it the Republicans who turned that down? Perhaps at a different table? Hmm. My guess is that offer is no longer on the table.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 4:27:06 PM

Norm, Obama has been the one not wanting to give in to anything. You have a Senate that will not even bring a budget to the table to vote on it. It has been our way or no way under this administration. Obama and Reid have purposely left the GOP out. How can you negotiate any kind of real working plan where both sides give some skin when one side is not even invited to the negotiating table?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 3:50:27 PM

"I hope you are right but if you look at the European model it says the predictions are closer to the truth. We are moving more and more left like Europe and their economic problems are worse than ours and getting worse with real doom and gloom coming quickly for most of Europe."


Here's the problem.

Our problems are easily solveable, but you have a few people on your side who are beholden to Norquist, and they refuse to budge.

Obama stated clearly that EVERYBODY has to put some skin in the game, but those beholden to Grover refuse to do that. Even Coburn and others in the GOP has said its time to put Grover's pledge aside and do what's best for the country, but they still refuse.

THAT's really the problem. You can't eliminate the deficit by cutting everything (especially when many of the people moaning and whining about the government are the ones collecting benefits from the government). I don't mind paying more taxes if that is what the country needs to do...but I do mind if people who make way more than I do pay less than I do or nothing...that is the problem.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 3:41:33 PM

"No, I think it won't happen."

I hope you are right but if you look at the European model it says the predictions are closer to the truth. We are moving more and more left like Europe and their economic problems are worse than ours and getting worse with real doom and gloom coming quickly for most of Europe.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 3:22:14 PM

LOL, Dragon!!!

*ROTFL*
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 3:21:04 PM

RNorm;

With these guys, you need to talk about Partisan PROFITS if you really want to get their attention.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 1:00:42 PM

"If you think it is going to happen overnight...you're wrong...but it will happen...we are now treading down that road.... "


No, I think it won't happen.

And just like I said before the election: in a little while, we'll see who's who and what's what.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 12:59:38 PM

"Because some people were predicting instant doom"

The House needs to put up no resistance to Obamas agenda.
Let him an ole' Harry run it all through. Whatever they want. Then we'll know soon enough if the predictions of doom and gloom are accurate.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 12:58:06 PM

"kinda like that New Black Panther voter intimidator who was more kind and helpful than intimidating?"

Or you not answering the question about the KKK or Neo-Nazi party doing the same thing. Once you set an identity for yourself it is impossible to go back to it. They already stood there with night sticks...this time all they had to do was be there to be intimidating. Heck, I could probably get a rise out of some people for burning an old cross from Easter just because it would be an old cross. But you will never admit that either...
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 12:52:38 PM

If you think it is going to happen overnight...you're wrong...but it will happen...we are now treading down that road....
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:44:55 AM

"You weren't expecting it over night? Then why are you here now asking why nothing has happened a week after the election?"


Because some people were predicting instant doom...and I won't bother showing you exact quotes because then you'll act as if you never tried to say I was wrong...kinda like that New Black Panther voter intimidator who was more kind and helpful than intimidating?

Whatever.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:40:36 AM

You weren't expecting it over night? Then why are you here now asking why nothing has happened a week after the election?

As the economy continues to fizzle and unemployment continues to skyrocket in a certain segment of society we may see some civil discourse and bankruptcy by our government if spending is not slowed down.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 1:16:41 AM

"Hmm...Rnorm expected this to happen over night."


No, I didn't...and I wasn't the one making stupid gloom and doom false prophesies either.

Unlike so many around here, who were so gleefully predicting a Romney landslide (which never materialized), I held my peace and said the only poll that would matter would be the one on election day (and we know how that turned out).

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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 10:15:15 PM

All is not lost- the Vikings won last Sunday!
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 10:09:16 PM

Hmm...Rnorm expected this to happen over night. These are all things that have been predicted FROM the failed policies of this administration.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:27:56 PM

I am still waiting for the sky to fall. The sun did come up the next day. Alabama did lose to Texas A&M so some here say its still falling though. Auburn fell earlier this year but I personally don't think that the world is ending because Alabama will not win the National Championship...

People need to wake up and quit being poor losers. We elect a president every 4 yrs. I personally follow whomever the populace elects each time.

We have become too Party focused in the past 10 yrs or so. We all need to work together for the good of the US not either party..
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:13:45 PM

Norm, you stated it all in your OP, he just got elected. Now, if we maintain gridlock and the status quo of kicking the budget can down the road, you will indeed see an economic disaster. Chuck Norris, or any other actor/actress you trot out as an exhibit as to how someone ought to feel about an issue doesn't mean squat to me, their opinion is no wiser than yours or mine.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the perilous economic situation that we are in, nor the stubbornness of political persuasions on both sides of the aisle.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:04:42 PM

ej: "Let them eat a cake "


Well, maybe it won't matter what the capital gains rate will be next year, because there may not be any capital gains to tax.


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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 7:17:50 PM

There was no unity in Obamas pep talk today. Markets sold off while he was speaking. Down 10% since peak before election.

No talk of spending cuts "balanced approach". He meant tax the rich only is "balanced". There was no growth plan, it didnt exist to begin with.

Let them eat a cake

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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:38:59 AM

Rnorm, you are correct that they come in all colors and Left and Right. The fact is there is a divided nation, and Obama needs to work on getting a working agenda to resolve the many issues including the Jobs and economy and scandols that have come to light currently.

Lots of work that needs to be done.

And please do not read anything more into my comments.

Except for the scandols of Clinton, I have always supported the presedent of the USA, regardless of the party affiliated.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:25:31 AM

"Funny, how the hate-America flavors now come in blue AND red."


Truly, hatred knows no color barrier and holds no party affiliation...
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:23:34 AM

"Truly you have been drinking the hate-america koolaid"

Funny, how the hate-America flavors now come in blue AND red.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:53:31 AM

"norm you either are,nt paying attention or are in denile on abc this mornig a story about 36 states fileing petions to leave the union the market has had 4 days of steady losees the dow is down over a thousand points no one said the calapse would be over night "


Truly you have been drinking the hate-america koolaid. A few thousand nuts across the country filing secession petitions do not a new confederacy make. And since I have a hefty retirement fund, I watch the DOW regularly and its NOT crashing as you Obama haters would hope...

SMH
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:48:44 AM

norm you either are,nt paying attention or are in denile on abc this mornig a story about 36 states fileing petions to leave the union the market has had 4 days of steady losees the dow is down over a thousand points no one said the calapse would be over night
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:38:44 AM

"Be careful what you wish for, RNorm..."

Unlike the prophets of doom and gloom, I happen to believe that Better days are ahead for this country WITH Obama as president.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:23:25 AM

Be careful what you wish for, RNorm...
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