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sissurf

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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 12:00:30 PM

[L=http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/text deleted for Texas secession hits White House response mark[/L]

What's your thoughts on this?

Does it come to any surprise to you?

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Petition for Texas secession hits White House response mark

By Brendan Sasso - 11/12/12 05:10 PM ET

Less than a week after President Obama's reelection, an online petition calling for Texas to secede from the Union has gained enough signatures to prompt a response from the White House.

The petition is posted on "We the People," the White House's website for petitions. The White House has pledged to provide a formal response to all petitions that receive more than 25,000 signatures within 30 days.

The Texas secession petition was posted on Nov. 9 and already has more than 27,000 signatures.

People have posted similar petitions for dozens of other states to secede, but the Texas petition was the first to cross the threshold. Republican Mitt Romney won Texas with 57 percent of the vote.

The petition does not explicitly cite President Obama's reelection as a reason to secede, but claims the nation continues to suffer because of the "federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending."

The petition claims that American citizens are suffering "blatant abuses of their rights," pointing to the Transportation Security Administration and the National Defense Authorization Act, which allows for indefinite detention of terror suspects.

The petition cites Texas's large economy and claims that it would be "practically feasible" for the state to secede.

The writers argue that leaving the United States would protect Texans "standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government."

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) made headlines last year for past comments suggesting he would consider withdrawing from the United States.

“When we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation,” Perry said in 2009. “And one of the deals was, we can leave anytime we want. So we’re kind of thinking about that again.”

Perry later clarified that he does not support secession.

UPDATE: Texas secession petition hits threshold for White House response; dozens more filed



[Edited by: sissurf at 11/13/2012 12:06:01 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 1:14:00 PM

Edpap - "No problem, but they must take all their illegals with them."

Now there's a thought. If Texas seceded we could deport all the illegals in the rest of the US to Texas. 7;-]
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Edpap
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 9:43:59 AM

No problem, but they must take all their illegals with them.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 3:46:06 PM

"So why don't the whiners just leave? We could use the extra space, extra jobs, etc.."

I don't expect anyone to physically leave the current territory of the USA. If there had been a suitable place for such malcontents, surely they would have gone there -- or have been forcefully removed to there -- following the end of the Civil War. I'm not worried that the remaining states might be invaded by one of the other world superpowers today like there apparently was concern in the early 1860s. So, let them change the national boundaries as they wish. I've often traveled through Ontario to get from the Detroit area to New York or other destinations on the east coast and back. No big deal.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:09:26 AM

Tim
no problem with the oil, they will continue to export to the highest bidder.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 8:51:11 AM

Methinks you'd miss Texas' oil and refinery capacity.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 3:30:49 AM

KatmanDo - "As they say, "To thine own self be true." There's no need for Texans and others fundamentally unhappy with the direction our government is going in to remain stuck in the relationship. United States, or not, their choice. I won't think any less of them should they choose to go down another path. We've merely grown in separate directions."

True. So why don't the whiners just leave? We could use the extra space, extra jobs, etc..
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 7:59:59 PM

"So I take it Texas will not be pledging allegiance to the flag?"

Perhaps to some variation of the historic Stars and Bars flag.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 5:04:55 PM

So I take it Texas will not be pledging allegiance to the flag?
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 5:02:06 PM

"So much for the patriotism of Texas"

Hardly. As they say, "To thine own self be true." There's no need for Texans and others fundamentally unhappy with the direction our government is going in to remain stuck in the relationship. United States, or not, their choice. I won't think any less of them should they choose to go down another path. We've merely grown in separate directions.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 4:06:11 PM

So much for the patriotism of Texas
looks like they dont pledge allegence to the flag.
One nation under god, indivisible, with justice and liberty for all.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 1:55:06 PM

This stuff happens after every election. Fortunately, the end of the world on 12/21/12 makes this a moot point. LOL
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Hiram 615
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:06:54 AM

Utrix,

Why wait?
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Utrix
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:03:53 AM

If Texas seceded from The Union I would move to Texas.
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Utrix
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 9:01:28 AM

If Texas seceded from The Union I would move to Texas.

[Edited by: Utrix at 12/4/2012 9:05:21 AM EST]
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rjhenn
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KatmanDo - "I highly doubt it would be just Texas to break away. Chances are the Conservative States of America will look very much like the old Confederacy. Any of the GOP contenders in the 2012 election cycle might be highly desirable candidates for their first president.

Have fun, Folks. All the best for your future."

Indeed.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:19:56 PM

"If Texas becomes an independent country, George W. Bush could be President."

I highly doubt it would be just Texas to break away. Chances are the Conservative States of America will look very much like the old Confederacy. Any of the GOP contenders in the 2012 election cycle might be highly desirable candidates for their first president.

Have fun, Folks. All the best for your future.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:23:00 PM

"If Texas becomes an independent country, George W. Bush could be President."

Psshh... there goes THAT neighborhood.
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 9:13:08 PM

If Texas becomes an independent country, George W. Bush could be President.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 7:57:29 PM

"Of course, New York City and Long Beach will have to expand to make room for all the shipping that currently comes through Houston."

As if shipping customers would be turned away simply because they're now from different nations. Heck, Red China is one of the largest trading partners with the USA even though many families have sent generations of their young off to fight the various Godless heathens. Regardless of flags, when it comes to paying customers everyone's money tends to be the same color. Separate blue and red nations would be unlikely to turn citizens of the other away from its bed, so I don't foresee any huge problems resulting from an amicable divorce.

[Edited by: KatmanDo at 11/30/2012 7:59:27 PM EST]
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 6:17:18 PM

Well, at least the citizens of Arlington will finally get out from paying that huge tax bill that "w" left them for Ranger Stadium.

Of course, New York City and Long Beach will have to expand to make room for all the shipping that currently comes through Houston. Should be a good shot in the economy for both places.

But we will have to enforce immigration strenuously. Unlike the illegals coming here now, they won't look much different from real Americans.
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2012 1:21:28 PM

Afs, "passport - infrastructure", describes a patriotic loyal con American ready to toss Old Glory on the garbage heap of history. How heart warming. Btw the US govt will take back all those neat expensive weapons marked US.

EKE, "Worthlass", ROFL.

Nick, "right wing petition fraud" may not be fraud to a biased con.

Street, "proper ID" no doubt would include gun ownership, a dim Mitt bumper sticker and tea party membership.

NE Guy, "one parent from Oklahoma" ROFL. So when are you taking your act to Vegas or are you just waiting for a Nevada passport?

Sis, your topic has become a comedy of errors. I love it.
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The Spurs and Rockets can add international flair to the NBA.
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Michiganian
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 4:15:23 PM

Does that mean the Houston Astros and the Texas Rangers will need to move to the Mexican League?
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"Would this mean the Dallas Cowboys will be excluded from the NFL? That could be a good thing."


That would be good because then the rest of the league doesn't have to give anything for that new monstrosity of a stadium they built for a loser team...

LOL
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"Have you ever had a good look at some of them boobs thar'? Or the hair! Or the Tammy Faye painted on faces?"

I've not spent much time at all in Texas, so I honestly can't say. (About the most time I usually spend in Texas is the time it takes to drive across the panhandle along I-40. There doesn't seem to be much local hair, made up faces or boobs to consider along that sparsely-populated stretch. We do tend to see quite a few yummy-looking beef cattle in through there, however.)
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 1:42:02 PM

"The number of petitions is now 66 out of 50 states!"

<<Sloppy design.>>

Or maybe the Republicans found a few more states that Obama missed in his count 4 years ago?
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El_Gato_Negro
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Katmando, there ain't nothin natural in Texas!

Have you ever had a good look at some of them boobs thar'? Or the hair! Or the Tammy Faye painted on faces?
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2012 12:14:53 AM

Good all my exes live in texas.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 10:41:12 PM

"Will the new president of the Republic of Texas be required to be a Natural Born Texas citizen"

What if they were born by Caesarean section rather than naturally?
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>> That reminds me! I have to go sign the petitions for Mississippi and Alabama! <<

-- can I get a South Carolina in there? Please!?


Good list there Nick. I think my favorite is:
>> Disregard attempts to withdraw the state of Texas from the union. <<
-- although it could easily be countered with "Disregard attempts to disregard attempts to withdraw the state of Texas from the union", then counter-countered by "Disregard attempts to disregard attempts to disregard attempts to withdraw..." etc.


>> What if one parent was born in Mexico?
Or worse yet, Oklahoma? <<

Or worse still... New Haven Connecticut?


[Edited by: EKEugene at 11/16/2012 11:15:43 AM EST]
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"Every morning, schoolchildren in the Republic of Texas will recite the following:

"I pledge allegiance to the guns of the God-fearing State of Texas, and to the guns for which it stands, one state, under God, indiGodible, with God and guns for all. Yee-haw!" "

--Ha HAAAAAA!!! -after-chuckles-

Oh man. Good one.

Thanks.

Whew.
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Let them, their official language will be spanglish !!!
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 10:19:11 AM

"Did anyone notice that it looks like at least half the folks who signed the Texas petition don't live in Texas. My wife thinks their intent is to get rid of Texas, while they stay in the US."

That reminds me! I have to go sign the petitions for Mississippi and Alabama!
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Would this mean the Dallas Cowboys will be excluded from the NFL? That could be a good thing.
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Every morning, schoolchildren in the Republic of Texas will recite the following:

"I pledge allegiance to the guns of the God-fearing State of Texas, and to the guns for which it stands, one state, under God, indiGodible, with God and guns for all. Yee-haw!"
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 4:30:36 AM

Will the new president of the Republic of Texas be required to be a Natural Born Texas citizen and have both parents born in Texas?

What if one parent was born in Mexico?

Or worse yet, Oklahoma?
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AFSNCO - "Military - national guard already in place"

Except that most of their equipment belongs to the federal government.

"Currency - other countries already use the US Dollar as their currency so why wouldn't they?"

Because what would be the point of seceding if you're still stuck with the same currency you believe is controlled by some conspiracy in the Federal Reserve?

"Infrastructure - Don't most states already take care of their highways and what-not? They already have transportation departments, etc....I know, I know...just trying to make it look more difficult than it really would be."

But, as mentioned, a big part of their budget for that, particularly for the interstates, is federal money.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 4:03:16 AM

sissurf - "And 6 states meet the requirement as to the amount of signatures needed!"

All that means is that everyone who signed the petition gets an email explaining why it can't be done.

"The number of petitions is now 66 out of 50 states!"

If you start a petition, the site selects what it thinks are matching petitions and asks you not to file duplicates. But you can't see other petitions that don't have a certain number of signatures. So they still get duplicates.

Sloppy design.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 12:16:35 AM

Did they make sure the petition signatures had proper Id. After all this could be a ploy by illegals to grab a state to live in.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 12:11:51 AM

>>The number of petitions is now 66 out of 50 states!<<

What? 66 petitions to secede, yet there are only 50 states? Sounds like right-wing petition fraud!

But (semi) seriously, these online petitions can be found right along these other fine petitions from concerned citizens, such as:
- Build a statue of Master Chief Petty Officer Spartan John-117 on the lawn of the White House.
- provide University graduates ability to trade their diplomas back for 100% tuition refunds
- have the President to attend a Fark.com party. If scheduling does not permit, at least have a beer with Drew Curtis

And not everyone from these states wants to leave:
- Disregard attempts to withdraw the state of Texas from the union.
- Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas. El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.
- Peacefully grant the City of Atlanta leave to withdraw from the State of Georgia and remain part of the United States

And you might not be too happy about these:
- Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.
- Force all states to pay their portion of the national debt before they can secede from the union
- Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them

You can pretty much write a petition for anything. I wouldn't hang my hat on those "66".
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AFSNCO and NEGuy raise some good points, although these are but a few. The new rogue states will also have to deal with setting up their own:

- Social security and Medicare programs
- unemployment / welfare programs
- postal service
- regulatory agencies to replace the FAA, FCC, FDA, SEC, DEA, FDIC, etc...
- buying out the present "national" parks now within each state
- health care systems that can run independent of the NIH and CDC
- IRS / tax revenooers
- Offices of Agriculture, Forestry, Weather, Patents and Trademarks, Public Utilities, Education, etc etc etc
- entire new federal governments (presumably run by many of the losers rejected last week)...

Go ahead petitioners. Sign it. We dare ya.



"... but apart from sanitation, the roads, medicine, education, irrigation, public baths, public order, wine, a fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"



[Edited by: EKEugene at 11/15/2012 7:11:21 PM EST]
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NE Guy
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"Where will they get the funding to care for the Interstates?"

Where will the Natural Disaster funding come from after the next hurricane or drought?

[Edited by: NE Guy at 11/15/2012 6:20:35 PM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:17:49 PM

"The new city will be called "Worthlass"."

LOL!
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:14:31 PM

Maybe Perry wants to be president of Texas.
There was another thing he wanted to be but it slipped his mind.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:04:45 PM


So I wondered if a certain sub-idea had generated itself out of all this secession malarkey, and Googled it -- and sure enough, here it is:

>> "Austin Starts Petition to Secede From Texas if State Splits from Unites [sic] States"

In light of the State of Texas' petition to withdraw from the union of the United States of America, the city of Austin filed a petiton of its own requesting to secede from the State of Texas, should Texas withdraw from the union of the U.S. <<

[tinyurl .com/bnk8qun]


In other Texas news:
The cities of Dallas and Fort Worth, having grown so big and being already so close together, have decided to merge.

The new city will be called "Worthlass".

:-P
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"Infrastructure - Don't most states already take care of their highways and what-not?"

Where will they get the funding to care for the Interstates?
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jayrad1957
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"OK...need a Secretary of State and an idiot like Rice to go to the UN"

Thought Condoleezza Rice was out of politics...........
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"They would have to have their own passport, military, agreements with companies to have plants there, agreements with other countries for commerce, even with the United States. They would have to come up with their own currency, their own foreign policy, work on their own infrastructure."

Passport - start the presses
Military - national guard already in place
Commerce - most states already negotiate their own foreign trade partners
Currency - other countries already use the US Dollar as their currency so why wouldn't they?
Foreign policy - OK...need a Secretary of State and an idiot like Rice to go to the UN
Infrastructure - Don't most states already take care of their highways and what-not? They already have transportation departments, etc....I know, I know...just trying to make it look more difficult than it really would be.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 5:09:47 PM

"Also the crime of treason is punishable by death. I would gladly volunteer to be on a firing squad."

In my view, any US company which outsources its production to Third World nations is committing economic treason. Too bad our so-called government doesn't treat it as such and punish the culprits. On the contrary, we reward them with income tax benefits here.

Let those who are unhappy with the current US government go ahead and secede from the USA. I won't begrudge them one iota.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 3:08:17 PM

"And when they do I will move there."
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