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contiki

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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 11:05:15 AM

Republicans hunt for election lessons as wounds heal............

As Republicans nurse their wounds from last week's election setbacks, they’re trying to learn the right lessons from defeat, studying outcomes in various House and Senate races, and pondering how best to position themselves when it comes to the politics of immigration.

Mitt Romney’s poor performance among Latino voters in states like Nevada and Colorado helped undermine his chances of victory in those battlegrounds.

As a result, some Republicans are drawing the lesson that their party must find a message and a candidate to ensure they do not end up, as Romney did in Nevada, winning only about one-in-four Latino voters.

Romney lost that state by 66,000 votes, or 6.6 percentage points.

“The handwriting is on the wall,” said Republican pollster Whit Ayres, the co-founder of a group called "Resurgent Republic."

Republicans hunt for election lessons as wounds heal...................

[Edited by: contiki at 11/13/2012 11:06:18 AM EST]
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:49:30 PM

I would love to help obama make america great, the trouble is, he doesn't want to, he wants to model us after europe, and we all see how well they are doing.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 11:02:23 AM

Mudtoe, I hear that Canadians are legally able to travel to Cuba, unlike Americans, so they can go there for their health care.

Or Haiti or the Bahamas. Or India. Or maybe a large hospital ship floating thirteen miles off the coast of any large US city.......
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 10:59:27 AM

wr: "contiki, why do you even care, you live in Canada and bask in your 'free' entiltlements"


I wonder where contiki and the rest of the Canadians are going to go in a few years after Obamacare is fully implemented and they need health care that they can't wait six months for. Those in that situation used to come here. Oh well....


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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 10:42:07 AM

Seeing that about 11 million FEWER Americans voted in 2012 than did in 2008, we can only conclude that America DIDN'T vote for Obama, he kind of won by default.
And mudtoe is right, producing Americans wil be in survival mode for another four years, at least.
My new hobby: hiding assets from the feds. We see an outright "wealth tax" on the horizon.
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WhiteRaven48
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 10:32:56 AM

contiki, why do you even care, you live in Canada and bask in your 'free' entiltlements....so who are you to try and tell people in the United States how to act towards our leadership? Do you have people from the United States on the Canada politics forum telling Canadians to put up and shut up? I don't think so! Are you capable of doing any more than cutting and pasting articles and giving a pot stirring comment? Can you form an original thought and put it into comprehendable sentences?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 10:31:01 AM

contiki: "Republicans get over your lost and help the President make America great once again.... "


We are helping America; we are withdrawing our money from the stock market, laying off workers, and hunkering down for the storm that is to come. After the financial meltdown that Obama has engineered occurs we will be ready to start picking up the pieces and restore America to her previous stature. Until then, the takers are in the driver seat and are on their own; we will watch from the sidelines after making sure our assets are safe.



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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 10:23:03 AM

America has spoken and Obama is the right man to be President......

The right man for a troubled world and for a split America......

Now stand behind your President and support him rather than trying to find his faults and work to improve America and make it better...........

Republicans get over your lost and help the President make America great once again....
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 8:23:17 AM

Contiki, it might be shocking that Romney would make such a statement publicly, but he is right. (And he isn't running for office anymore)
This election was basically between the producers and the usurpers/moochers in society. The producers have been outnumbered (by their own success, we need fewer people in the productive industries to fulfill the material needs of the entire populace - see last two posts here)
And try this on for size. Does it fit?

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 11/16/2012 8:24:20 AM EST]
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 8:17:12 AM

Romney Blames Loss on Obama’s ‘Gifts’ to Minorities and Young Voters.....

Saying that he and his team still felt “troubled” by his loss to President Obama, Mitt Romney on Wednesday attributed his defeat in part to what he called big policy “gifts” that the president had bestowed on loyal Democratic constituencies, including young voters, African-Americans and Hispanics.

In a conference call with fund-raisers and donors to his campaign, Mr. Romney said Wednesday afternoon that the president had followed the “old playbook” of using targeted initiatives to woo specific interest groups — “especially the African-American community, the Hispanic community and young people.”

“In each case, they were very generous in what they gave to those groups,” Mr. Romney said, contrasting Mr. Obama’s strategy to his own of “talking about big issues for the whole country: military strategy, foreign policy, a strong economy, creating jobs and so forth.”

Romney Blames Loss on Obama’s ‘Gifts’ to Minorities and Young Voters.....

With Romney and the Republicans,I think it is SOUR GRAPES and nothing more...

They can't except loss gracefully..............



[Edited by: contiki at 11/16/2012 8:21:26 AM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:18:02 PM

I75: "Make no mistake: encouraging an economic crash is a bad idea."


If I thought there was any other way, but I don't. Nothing short of the checks and EBT card recharges not going out at the beginning of the month will be enough IMHO to cause any meaningful change. As long as the takers can keep taking, they won't stop or accept any change that cuts into their take.


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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 5:39:39 PM

Barbour: We’ve got to give Republicans ‘a very serious proctology exam’

Echoing calls for a thorough examination of what went wrong in Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour (R) told an audience on Wednesday that he believes the Republican Party’s “political organizational activity” needs to undergo “a very serious proctology exam.”

“The ground game is really important, and we have to be, I mean we’ve got to give our political organizational activity a very serious… [pause] proctology exam,” he said during a Las Vegas conference of the Republican Governor’s Association, according to CNN.

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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 5:22:25 PM

stop taking those stupid pills. I guess you libs haven't noticed what the markets have done since the day after the vote. I can't remember which one of you that said it wasn't a trend after only one day, ok it's over a week, is it a trend now. The cbo says if taxes are raised on the wealthy unemployment will go up by 200,000, the lay offs have already begun because of obama care, and many full time worker face shortened hours because of obamacare, the list goes on and on. I have already talked to people that voted for obama the second time, that say they wish they could take their vote back, when I asked them why they voted for obama again, they don't have a answer, I remind them of the old saying, Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 4:56:09 PM

Some points of view to consider:
Time to Let the Country Crash? - by Ebben Raves
That could get messy......and the author agrees, in this conclusion:
"Make no mistake: encouraging an economic crash is a bad idea. A parasite may eventually kill the host, but it usually takes a while, and there is always hope for recovery. Predators, however, devour the carcass in a rapid fashion."

A call to action: Rendezvous with Destiny - by Greg Richards
"That is our mission. We are each going to have to find out where our local Republican Party meets and join its meetings personally. This is not going to be grim. It is actually going to be fun. The Tea Partiers can hold that identity, but the operational arm of Tea Partydom has to be the Republican Party. There is neither the space nor the time for a third party."
"We need to get our message out....We need to tell our story.
For instance, why did it take until the 1960's for the final Civil Rights law to be passed? Because it took that long for the Dems to throw in the towel on segregation. They blocked anti-lynching laws in the 1920's and 1930's, they threw blacks off the land in the New Deal, but by the 1950s, the Republicans were able to enforce Brown v. Board of Education (Little Rock) and pass two civil rights laws."
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WhiteRaven48
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 4:11:09 PM

"Republicans never seem to learn lessons very well........ "- contiki

Said the man living in another country all comfy with his government entitlements. LOL

Can't say that I agree with you there, contiki....maybe you need to give some specifics about what you mean by 60's ideals and modern people's concerns?
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 3:14:51 PM


??? Huh? Who brought up "Mormons"? Who brought up religion at all?

Two people, both of them on the far right (three if you count Sissurf).

Neither "Mormon" nor "religion" is mentioned as a basis for voting in this entire thread. Outside of a couple of strawman-fabricators, neither of these terms are mentioned at all. In any context.

Nor is either one mentioned in the OP... nor the article it links to. Not there.

Now why would the far right find it necessary to carry religion in, when no one else did? What's the far right's obsession with religion? And why does it have to construct strawmen? You tell me.

"Excellently said"? No-- excellently strawmanned. Nobody's buying it outside the Bubble.

But it IS nice to see the lie about Jeep finally acknowledged. Fortunately he voters of Ohio and Michigan (where those jobs actually are being expanded) were way ahead of you.

Bubblethink®; it's what's for dinner. Bubblethink® keeps out nasty facts and gives your world a nice impervious (b)luster. Now with new Knowitol©!


[Edited by: EKEugene at 11/15/2012 3:20:55 PM EST]
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 2:18:12 PM


So excellently said!

Not many here take in consideration they are complaining about Mitt Romney being a Mormon and yet they vote for a muslim. And by the way, please don't even try to prove to me that Obama is a Christian! I've had enough of his non-Christian values to last me a life time!

"EKE, its too late, you re-elected the Democrat dynasty, enjoy!

The Mormons are seceding? lololol

Maybe Obama and Democrats should learn to speak, and reach out to Mormons as well as all religions beside just Muslim. You push them away by starting the conversation with "you must accept abortion and pay for other to have one"

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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 2:01:32 PM



Ahh.. lookie here

Someone is splitting hairs.

“Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market,” said spokesman Gualberto Ranieri in a blog post Thursday. “U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation.”
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EKEugene
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 1:56:11 PM


>> "It is very interesting that the only religion the left likes is Islam, especially considering how Muslims treat women. Makes you sort of wonder...." <<

Yeah. It makes you wonder why people go on constructing strawmen, when they should know by now it's a transparent fallacy.

WHO declared that "the left likes Islam"? Mudtoe. Does he speak for the left? Don't think so. Does he speak for a superficial ignorance that intentionally conflates a belief in religious tolerance with "liking"? Well now we're on to something.

[fade strawman aaannd.... CUE ad hominem.]
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 1:49:16 PM



"Then you have Sandy come along and Christie and obama working together and Christie not too concerned over Romney's election. Christie's comments were not to hurt Romney"

Are you kidding me?!

Did you not see all those nice blue signs that said vote for obama, while obama was making that plead on TV to help those affected in New Jersey and New York by the hurricane. This was nothing, but a ploy.

Where has obama been since, where is all the assistance that he promised?! People are now dead from the cold, after this so called speech of obama's!



[Edited by: sissurf at 11/15/2012 1:50:23 PM EST]
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 1:36:48 PM


"It is very interesting that the only religion the left likes is Islam, especially considering how Muslims treat women. Makes you sort of wonder...."

This is extremely true!

I've also noticed this through out the threads. Instead of talking facts,
most leave one liner negative statements and nothing more.

How intelligent is that?!

[Edited by: sissurf at 11/15/2012 1:40:47 PM EST]
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hep0950
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 1:19:10 PM

Here's the deal, even with the faults of Obama, the majority of Americans agree basically with his plans. Unlike Romney, Obama stayed on course and didn't flip flop. Then you have is Romney blaming Obama for gifts? Really? Never mind his comment about the 47%, or telling people that Chrysler is going to send the Jeep line over to China. The last two debates didn't help Romney at all, they may have actually hurt him. Then you have Sandy come along and Christie and Obama working together and Christie not too concerned over Romney's election. Christie's comments were not to hurt Romney, but he had a job to do and the election wasn't part of it. It is one thing to blame someone when they actually did something wrong, and quite another just to save grace with those who funded your campaign.

If they want to learn, they may want to actually listen to the people, all the people. They need to be more honest and not talk about part of the population like the 47% comment. Surely he had to know that ther are conservatives and Republicans that are part of that 47% getting help?

[Edited by: hep0950 at 11/15/2012 1:23:58 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 12:39:54 PM

A hint for the far right.

Stop taking those stupid pills.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 11:42:44 AM

Lots of excuses and blame the voters, but no learning going on.
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:33:37 AM

Republicans are not hunting for lessons.

They are hunting for excuses, and someone to blame.

We see already the temper tantrums of some hard core morons petitioning to secede.

Does that sound like lesson searching to you?

You said it correct YDraigGoch...............

Republicans never seem to learn lessons very well........
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 11:09:11 PM

ej: " and reach out to Mormons as well as all religions beside just Muslim"


It is very interesting that the only religion the left likes is Islam, especially considering how Muslims treat women. Makes you sort of wonder....


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 11/14/2012 11:10:07 PM EST]
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 10:24:06 PM

EKE, its too late, you re-elected the Democrat dynasty, enjoy!

The Mormons are seceding? lololol

Maybe Obama and Democrats should learn to speak, and reach out to Mormons as well as all religions beside just Muslim. You push them away by starting the conversation with "you must accept abortion and pay for other to have one"
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:08:50 PM

Republicans are not hunting for lessons.

They are hunting for excuses, and someone to blame.

We see already the temper tantrums of some hard core morons petitioning to secede.

Does that sound like lesson searching to you?
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EKEugene
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:50:54 PM


Yup, sure enough there's E-jeepin to the task at hand.

"So what should Republicans do to gain back pop culture? Nothing."

Translation: "there's nothing wrong with our product-- it's the customer that's defective. We'll just wait for them to come around".

Rotsa ruck there. I don't particularly want a Democrat Dynasty, but if you insist...

"Obamavoters need to feel the regret to the point where they wont admit in 4 years that they voted for Obama. "

Yeah-- how'd that work out over the last four years?

smh...
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:42:09 PM

Many are spending more time looking for someone to blame. I doubt they will learn and change.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:32:25 PM

Simply put, Republicans under estimated how people now define the office of the Presidency. They ran as if it was Reagan era.

Voters want a pop-culture icon who rants impressively and also plays a saxophone on the talk show circuit. Its now ok for the pop-culture President to call his opponent a "BS-er" in a magazine article. Once considered un-becoming of the Office, now is trendy, fun and cutting edge.

They don't want to hear about scandals as they are perceived as "just politics". Benghazi was ignored while MSNBC pondered what Romney would do to reproductive rights.

pop-culture want to hear all the right answers, and demands it now, just like a new iPhone.

So what should Republicans do to gain back pop culture? Nothing. Just sit back and give Democrats all the room they need to fail on their own. This was the fundamental mistake Republicans made. They were labeled "do nothing" even though Obama and Democrats just kicked back and did nothing as well. Attempting to do the right thing gets you permanently labeled. Pop culture doesn't want to hear what entitlement they might lose. Romney's loss would have been bigger if he declared that he would halt the Obamaphone program. Think i'm kidding?

Obamavoters need to feel the regret to the point where they wont admit in 4 years that they voted for Obama.

Allowing all Democrats to fail on their own instead of preventing them from implementing their agenda is the answer. Let it happen, let them own it.

After 4 years, they still don't own the economy -- watch the iPhone pop-culture electorate get really impatient when the economy tumbles.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 1:39:50 PM


Let's face it- when your party's major tax guru thinks his candidate lost because he was declared a "poopy head", it juuuust might be time to move on to leaders with intellectual prowess slightly deeper than that of a three-year-old.


>> What the heck! How can you not learn from this? <<

Have faith-- they'll come up with a way. They always do.



[Edited by: EKEugene at 11/14/2012 1:43:25 PM EST]
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>> Does this mean that the GOP is going to stick with its strategy from this election, alienating most minorities through a strategy of trying to eliminate their votes, rather than persuading them to vote for GOP candidates? What the heck! How can you not learn from this? <<

With that strategy, expect the Republican Party to go the way of the 19th century Whig Party.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 10:55:41 AM

btc: "The problem is that has never worked but once for the Republicans, Reagan."


The Republicans aren't really doing anything in my post. They are just holding back the democrats natural proclivities for two years after which they are allowed free reign.

Everything I've predicted comes down to one simple truth that was driven home last Tuesday. We are never going to stop spending far more than we take in until some external force prevents us from doing so. It's not about abortion, the border, rape, racism, birth control, or anything else. Those were all just window dressing last week.

The fundamental truth is that a plurality of Americans now want the spending to continue because they think at the end of the day they will get more from government than they will have to pay in, and someone else will be forced to make up the difference. What they don't understand or don't want to understand is that the imbalance between spending and revenue is so big that it can't be solved by anything other than draconian spending cuts. The money to pay for all this just doesn't exist. You could raise the taxes on the rich to 100% and not make even a small dent in the spending imbalance.

This is the inevitable truth upon which all my predictions are based. The spending will stop one way or another and Tuesday convinced me that the way it will stop is not by our own choice where we voluntarily cut back and try to engineer a soft landing, but rather by an economic meltdown and a crash landing.


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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 10:30:16 AM

That is a fine plan for America's future, mudtoe.

The problem is that has never worked but once for the Republicans, Reagan. And when it did we wound up with this economy.

Historically, it is always the Democrats who have brought America back from the cliff, even when the Republicans ran us over it!
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 10:25:19 AM

Strategy:

1). House resists Obama's taxes for two years to give the producers time to get their assets off the table and out of sight. Economy stuck in stagnation.

2). Republicans lose in 2014 for this resistance, but the time they bought was worth it to the producers. Economy continues slowly downward as assets withdrawn from markets and deficit increases.

3). 2015 Congress gives Obama everything he wants; taxes and spending skyrocket. Obamacare costs double over projections.

4). Within 5 years economy collapses in global debt meltdown. Hyperinflation occurs as government prints money to keep freebies coming. Rioting and civil insurrection occur as government unable to keep promises.

5). Republicans pick up the pieces and start over with saner financial plan where we live within our means. Welfare state ended.



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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:56:29 AM

Does this mean that the GOP is going to stick with its strategy from this election, alienating most minorities through a strategy of trying to eliminate their votes, rather than persuading them to vote for GOP candidates? What the heck! How can you not learn from this?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:24:44 AM

Election strategy was a Democratic win, yes. But, do none of our conservative posters believe that the majority of American voters actually disagree with the conservative view?

It is not their choice for America.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:21:30 AM

Contiki, people will regret that Obama was re-elected.

And the world, not just the USA will suffer.

I am not a republican or democrat. Obama and Democratic people did a good job in getting their voters out, in key states to give Obama victory. There was a lot of work in winning key states and key races.

Hopefully the same effort will be set forth in getting the economy going with jobs in our country and clean up some big messes they have in in key roles of government. Or is that your idea of "update standards" ?


[Edited by: reb4 at 11/14/2012 9:26:50 AM EST]
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WhiteRaven48
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 9:13:24 AM

Can't say that I agree with you there, contiki....maybe you need to give some specifics about what you mean by 60's ideals and modern people's concerns?
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:37:20 AM

330,000 votes in four states is not a landslide.

How do Republicans change incorrect perceptions?
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contiki
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 8:10:44 AM

Republicans need to change expectations as they are out dated, as some news programs have said that the Republicans are trying to live in a 60's lifestyle..

Republicans wanting the way it was in the 60's is not the way to go,the world has change much from the 60's and the Republicans need to open up their way of thinking if they ever want to be elected............

Republicans need to update their standards and get with today's ideas.....

Understanding the people and their concerns would be a start.......
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