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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2012 9:58:12 PM

A Big Picture Look At “Earth’s Temperature” – “Extreme Weather” Update

In the link above, you can find practically everything you ever wanted to know about what's up with the earth's climate--global temperatures--land, oceans, ocean levels, snow, ice, sea ice and much more.

The data are compiled from NASA, NOAA National Climate Data Center, Earth System Research Laboratory (ESRL, UK MET Office, Hadley Center for CLimate Research, Remote Sensing Systems, University of Alabama at Huntsville, Apparent Atmospheric Transmission of Solar Radiation at Mauna Loa, Hawaii, David W. J. Thompson Colorado State University, Ellen Thomas, PHD Wesleyan University, Naval Research Lab, Geophysical Research Letters, Commonwealth of Australia – Bureau of Meteorology, Climate4you.com, NODC Global Ocean Heat Content, National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), University of Colorado at Boulder, U.S. Geological Survey, Florida State University – Department of Earth, Ocean, and Atmospheric Science, Rutgers University – Global Snow Lab (GSL), are included here. (If I missed one, my apologies)

I will post updates here in the future.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/12/2012 10:01:39 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2013 12:30:01 PM

Thanks for that most excellent post, mini.

You took Barack 0bama to task and torched him good!

You might consider having this thread locked now so that your most excellent post will not get buried or even flushed away. (Then start another one.)
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2013 11:46:55 AM

Why I don't believe global warming alarmist Barack Obama--who is presiding over the total collapse of global warming alarmism.

He's presided over the coldest summer on record at the North Pole, the highest late Arctic summer ice extent since 2006, he's presided over the the slowest Arctic ice melt on record. He's presided during the highest August Antarctic ice extent on record (2013 is 2nd to 2010). He has presided during a time of repeated highest Antarctic extents on record. He's presided over the fewest hurricane strikes of any U.S. President in U.S. history, he's presided during the Longest Stretch Without Major Hurricane Landfall Since the 1860s, he's presided at a time when this world has seen no global warming for 17 years--when no school child alive has ever experienced global warming, he's presided during the second slowest fire season on record, he's presided during the slowest tornado season on record, and during three of the five snowiest northern hemisphere winters on record (add in winter 2008, right before he was elected for 4 of the 5 snowiest winters).

Per NOAA's dataset, over the last 15 years for the 12-month periods ending June, the continental U.S. has been cooling, robustly--Per NOAA, U.S. Climate Cooling At Minus 2.4°F/Century Rate. NOAA's data corroborates the IPCC's gold standard, Hadley Research that the global temperature has now been cooling off for over a decade.

And yet Barack Obama flat-out LIED to the American people, saying global warming has gotten much worse over the last decade, so much that scientists were unable to predict a decade ago how bad things have gotten. The only thing that has gotten worse is their ability to predict anything right at all.

40 years of radiosondes and satellites have never found the trapped heat "hotspot" that the IPCC scientists said would be able to be measured. The predicted trapped heat is not there; simply does not exist. Excess heat is escaping into space as it always has.

Just because scientists answer in a survey that they believe warming has occurred over the last century is not proof of anything other than they believe earth has warmed a little over the last century. They are correct; it HAS warmed ~3/4 of one degree C since 1880 according to NOAA--but that is not proof that carbon dioxide from human activities had anything to do with it.

The hot two decades before the last one occurred during two of the 4 hottest solar cycles on record, since the 1600s.

Climate scientists over-estimated the climate's sensitivity to increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. CO2 is *not* and will never control the climate on earth. It certainly never did in the past, and there's no reason to think it's going to occur now.

Obama has a twitter account that tells his followers to demonize "climate deniers" in Congress and tell them how bad they are for not believing in and acting on Obama's lies--for not going along with more climate legislation (than the sweeping global warming based changes made right before he came into office).

In 2009, the EPA declared carbon dioxide is a pollutant, which therefore gave the EPA broad new powers under the Clean Air Act. For the first time ever, this odorless, tastless, innocuous, life-giving gas was fraudulently named a pollutant for purely political reasons -- for unchecked regulatory powers by the Executive Branch. In July Obama said he'll simply bypass Congress. What's with this megalomanic?

What Barack Obama is that his goal to fundamentally transform America is the only thing that counts.

Barack Obama is untrustworthy; he continues to lie to the American people.

Global warming alarmism is designed to take down America. I urge my fellow Americans to fight Obama and the global alarmists with all the knowledge, the data, the facts. They're using a fascist LIE to force regulations on our energy industries and businesses. If this insanity is not stopped, ALL Americans will pay--unnecessarily--for higher energy costs in the future. THAT is Obama's stated goal. Obama plans to bankrupt our nation's coal industry. THAT is Obama's stated goal

There is no "tipping point." It doesn't matter how many government-paid "scientific" opinions somebody wants to cite about their belief that CO2 traps heat in the atmosphere. 40 years of testing shows us that there is STILL no "heat trapping greenhouse gasses warming effect" at work--excess heat continues to escape up and out into space as it always has.

The largest greenhouse gas is water vapor. WONDERFUL CO2 makes plants grow, and increased amounts of this demonized, scapegoated miracle gas in our atmosphere has had the opposite effect of "desertification" that was predicted by the CO2-phobic global warming theorists--there has actually been an 11% increase in the greening of deserts over the last 30 years.

The opposite of every prediction has occurred. The theory of AGW is an unmitigated disaster. Yet our government is going along with this carbon fantasy ignoring all empirical data (and spinning it when it cannot be ignored), as if it were still any kind of warming threat.

Obama is a liar. Obama wants to destroy the coal industry. He wants Americans to pay more for energy. And he's using a fascist lie and preying on ignorance and the manufactured fear of global warming to try and accomplish this.

He told us it's going to happen. He told us again in July. He plans to bypass Congress with new crushing EPA regulations. Obama is a very dangerous man.

Americans cannot afford Barack Obama. I left the Democratic Party because of this issue. We cannot let Obama ruin our energy industry and our economy over this fascist, absolute and complete LIE of man-made global warming.

Those people interested in truth can find it. Call your governors, call your Congressmen. Let them know how you feel. They have to wade through tons of government scientists' spin. Getting to the truth, one is always bombarded with propaganda. Unfortunately, Googling keeps most believers still believing, because of the massive amount of money and pressure to keep up the BIG LIE, with all kinds of disinformation and cherry-picked data--and above all--very scary predictions for the future. The web is replete with them. But lies and scary predictions cannot hold up to the truth. It's very easy to find the failed predictions. AGW is a falling house of cards.

I was once a believer in the LIE. I'm nobody special. If I can sort through fact from fantasy, anyone can.

Speaking of very scary predictions for the future, the Arctic was supposed to be free of ice this year. Instead, there has been a 50% increase in sea ice this year over last.

This is what I wanted to say before I had to leave suddenly for two months earlier this year because of a changing work situation. My life is getting busier again so I will not be able to participate as much, again.

Keep up the fight and God Bless America



[Edited by: ministorage at 8/15/2013 11:53:23 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2013 9:34:16 PM

Amazing miracle--French sailors in the Arctic found out that they have the amazing ability to walk on water during this unprecedented...

...ice-free Arctic summer 2013.

This incredible phenomenon has been predicted for years by government scientists.

Braving sub-zero temperatures, inches of frost on their sailboat and trying to avoid dangerous polar bears in the vicinity, they are lucky to have the miraculous gift of being able to walk on water

(that is except for the inconvenient fact that they found out polar bears also have the very same gift).

:O

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/14/2013 9:43:10 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2013 1:50:24 PM

I75, of course it's not that the President didn't show. Nobody showed. If you can't get people to attend a rally to bring attention to global warming in the middle of August, something is amiss.

But the problem was not just Washington D.C. As Anthony pointed out, "To be fair, there were multiple rallies scheduled today, and some did attract tens of people." Attendance was apparently anemic everywhere.

It is at least anecdotal evidence that Pew's research polling results are close to the mark, that climate change now ranks dead last with voters.

And that's right where their interest should be. The boy cried wolf one time too many times. Real issues are on the minds of voters today--not the alarmist fairy-tales of government scientists who keep cooking the books.

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/14/2013 1:59:46 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2013 1:13:47 PM

Well, mini, The Prez and Congress are all out of town on vacation, probably 95+% of their staffers, assorted bureaucrats too, and media members, so why would anyone want to attend a Climate Change Rally in August in Washington DC?

Still, that's rich! The community out-organized itself!
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2013 12:51:55 PM

What if you put on a presidentially sponsored climate rally, and nobody showed up?

Rain doesn't stop people from showing up for important causes.

Time for the eco-alarmist liars to pick some more fruit from those increasingly bare cherry trees to ... 'rally' their increasingly unalarmed base. They'll need ladder; the low-hanging fruit is all gone.

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/14/2013 12:53:33 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2013 9:11:09 PM

Ooops. Live link to the post article immediately below
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2013 7:15:44 PM

NOAA Confirms Model-Defying Global Temperature Stagnation…2012 Was Among Coolest In 21st Century

In spite of their data, their political line is still to try and spin it. Read the article.
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Message Posted: Aug 13, 2013 9:44:01 AM

I-75: "Well, mini, I always enjoy having a "cold one" when I am at the ol' swimming hole. It will certainly stay cold this summer!"

You may want to bring a blow torch if you want to keep that 'cold one' in liquid form--and an auger for some ice fishing.

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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2013 4:22:38 PM

Well, mini, I always enjoy having a "cold one" when I am at the ol' swimming hole. It will certainly stay cold this summer!
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2013 4:02:52 PM

Current conditions at the Huffington Post/Stephen Colbert Ice-Free North Pole Swimming Hole Buoy Cam.
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2013 11:38:39 AM

NOAA is a participant in ongoing government-sponsored climate change deception--NOAA's own historical temperature data prove their U.S. Climate Extremes Index is a fabrication.

This year marks the tipping point for the beginning of the climate change alarmism death spiral.
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Message Posted: Aug 9, 2013 4:04:54 PM

Here's a little "unsettlement" for those complacent Europeans. Brought to you by skeptical scientists in Denmark!

Major Danish Daily Newspaper Warns: ‘Globe May Be On Path To Little Ice Age

"Another major European media outlet is asking: Where’s the global warming?"

"The August 7 edition of Denmark’s Jyllands-Posten, featured a major 2-page article on the globe’s 15-years of missing warming and the potential solar causes and implications.

Moreover, they are featuring prominent skeptic scientists who are warning of a potential little ice age and dismissing CO2 as a major climate driver. And all of this just before the release of the IPCC’s 5AR, no less!"

"So now even the once very green Danish media is now spreading the seeds of doubt. So quickly can “settled science” become controversial and hotly disputed. The climate debate is far from over. And when it does end, it looks increasingly as if it’ll end in favor of the skeptics."

Amen to that assessment!
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2013 6:27:01 PM

I love how they use the term "settled science" for a hypothesis that can't be tested.
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Well according to the 'settled science' all the trains in the world are gonna derail and crash pretty soon.
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>>>It should be apparent to even the most casual observer that there has been a recent string of railroad disasters that cannot simply be written off as coincidence. Three major accidents in Spain, Pakistan, and Switzerland have occurred within the past week alone.

Based on our exhaustive research, we have found that rail disasters1 have skyrocketed since 1960, forming a "hockey-stick" type of pattern. This pattern mirrors almost exactly the famous "hockey-stick" graph of global temperature developed by Dr. Michael Mann and introduced to the world in Albert Gore's highly-acclaimed documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth".

As shown in the graph below, in a comparison of atmospheric carbon dioxide to rail accidents, it becomes obvious based on the graph's title that the steady increase of manmade CO2 emissions is somehow related to the exponential increase in rail accidents.

Since the threat of global warming is now settled science, and it is heinous to even consider the possibility that there is any uncertainty about the disaster that awaits, we must warn that if left unchecked, this phenomenon result in 15,000 rail disasters by 2025, and accidents will continue to increase by the tens of thousands each following year. Since there are only 14,538 trains on the entire planet, this will mean that every train on every track in the world will derail, crash, and explode.

The devastation that this will cause is incalculable. Passenger deaths will rise to the millions. Poisonous fumes from wrecked tank cars will pollute the atmosphere; noxious chemicals will be released into rivers and lakes, destroying the ecosystem. Flammable liquids will be ignited, causing horrific, out-of-control wildfires. Finally, critically-needed foodstuffs will not be delivered to their destinations, resulting in mass starvation on a global scale never previously experienced in human history.2

The Andrew Thomas Humanist Science Consortium has been involved in performing extensive research on this subject, primarily by going to Wikipedia and counting the number of rail accidents each year since 1960, and graphing the results. We are in the process of requesting $5 billion in grants from the Department of Homeland Security to perform further research on this critical issue. This research will consist of going back to Wikipedia and faithfully recounting the rail accidents in order to verify our findings.<<<

Well I for one will not allow a rail line to enter our fair city. They are just too dangerous to have around.
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 7:09:13 PM

btc1: "It seems you are 'cherry-picking" again."

Your opinion is irrelevant to the facts.
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 7:07:04 PM

Stephen Colbert LIED about the Arctic temperatures being "2-5 degrees above average" in the past month.

The opposite has actually occurred--Arctic temperatures have been below normal since early May.

He also lied about the Arctic being a "lake." One of the buoy cameras caught meltwater on top of the ice 300 miles south of the North Pole last week and it was demagogued in the media, and he ran with it.

THIS is the view today from that same buoy camera.

THIS is the Arctic ice pack today.

THIS shows us the Arctic Ice Pack today in relation to the past few years, as well as the 1979-2000 average. Right now the Arctic Ice Pack is a MILLION square kilometers greater than last year on the same date.

But you wouldn't know ANY of this if you get your news from any of the MSM, or liberal websites, or Comedy Central. (For some low-information voters, Colbert and Stewart are their main sources for the news.)

I used to think Colbert was funny. I've gotten over it.

Wow. Just wow. Buyer beware.

[Edited by: ministorage at 8/1/2013 7:07:57 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 6:23:18 PM

But mini, from your link on it's home page there is this statement.

"The Frozen Sea
Since the 1970s the extent of sea ice has been measured from satellites. From these measurements we know that the sea ice extent today is significantly smaller than 30 years ago. During the past 10 years the melting of sea ice has accelerated, and especially during the ice extent minimum in September large changes are observed. The sea ice in the northern hemisphere have never been thinner and more vulnerable.

Sea ice is an important element in the understanding of the global climate system. The changes in sea ice extent is closely monitored and analysed by various climate centers around the world. "

It seems you are 'cherry-picking" again.

[Edited by: btc1 at 8/1/2013 6:25:00 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 6:08:03 PM

Reality bites for the Arctic "Climate Change Awareness" rowboaters who were told this would be an open water summer. I expect for them to be airlifted out--that is if another 20 foot-high "rotten" iceberg or heavy pack ice doesn't kill them first.

The climate is changing alright.

Disillusionment and all that rot(ten ice).
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2013 7:26:33 PM

yes well past time
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2013 5:37:59 PM

Arctic Cartography 42 years ago vs. the present....

National Geographic 1971 map of the Arctic Ocean

Present day Athropolis map of the Arctic Ocean.

The Athropolis map shows more ice in the Arctic than the 42 year-old Nat Geo map. I looked for a current Arctic Ice map from National Geographic. The closest I could find is from 2009 including the "Twilight of Arctic Ice" map, both of which appear to depict the end-of-summer 2007 ice extent.

Of note, like the Athropolis map, NSIDC's current satellite image of the Arctic today shows more ice than Nat Geo's 1971 map.

It'll be interesting how the 1971 map compares to end-of-summer ice extent in 6 weeks. This is the year that the ice is supposed to go poof.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/31/2013 5:46:29 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2013 4:21:46 AM

1,122 Record Cold Temps in the U.S. in One Week
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 6:34:33 PM

ATTENTION:

As the Arctic is about to end its
coldest, shortest summer on record with below normal temps since April, I think the first annual AGW North Pole Cup Open Water Summer Sailing Regatta (sponsored by the UN IPCC) will have to be postponed for yet another year.

Reason? There is just way too much debris floating on the water.

Somebody tell Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, the Sierra Club, Al Gore, Barack Obama and Paul Beckwith. I'm sure they will all be very disappointed.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/30/2013 6:44:45 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 1:31:43 PM

ldheinz,

Of course they will try to outlaw earthquakes! They'll be clamoring for govt. grants & funding to prove that Earthquakes are caused by man. Next will be their new set of behavior modifications that we must follow. Of course there will be something to sell and more power to be gained.
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 9:35:20 AM

Here is a news item about Earthquakes releasing Methane from Methane Hydrate formations under the Ocean, contributing to Global Warming. So what should we do? Outlaw Earthquakes? Or just eliminate nature in the name of the environment?
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 8:22:17 AM

Note.

In the prior post my second link, "The projections for the present were for an even hotter sun," is not a static image. It is a 15-second, time-lapse GIF.

I also made a boo boo. The third link for "this solar cycle" is erroneous (just a repeat of the prior link).

HERE is the link for present NASA projections for this solar cycle.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/30/2013 8:28:45 AM EST]
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johnny: "The argument that the “missing heat” is hiding in the deep ocean reminds me of the fairy tale that the heat or “hot spot” would be found in the upper troposphere."

Yes, but the predicted (but never materialized) hot spot was at least plausible. Heat rises, and if it were found to be trapped over the tropics in the troposphere it would have at least been anecdotal for the hypothesis that there is an added greenhouse effect beyond what occurs naturally. But their satellite data have never recorded this hot spot. Excess heat seems to escape into space as it always has.

To admit what their satellite, buoy, radiosonde and surfaces stations all show--that the predicted trapped heat simply does not exist--would be to admit a key failure with the very basis of their hypothesis. The 'deep-oceans-are-hiding-the-heat' postulation is not even plausible--no amount of magical scientific-speak can defy physics and get heat to sink. It is indeed a fairy tale; a high-stakes fairy tale.

The hidden heat is not at the surface of the world's oceans, either. Over the last decade, SSTs have begun to cool along with global temps.

Switching gears to a more plausible explanation of global temps...

Leading up to the IPCC's 4th Assessment in 2007, Trenberth, et. al all knew NASA's projections for solar activity in the upcoming solar cycle (this current SS24). The projections for the present were for an even hotter sun.

Subsequently (and bad news for the CO2-warming scapegoat artists) solar activity projections for this solar cycle have been cut almost by half.

The only factor that could have helped them keep their CO2-demonization ruse going a bit longer has betrayed them. That factor is THE SUN.

I'm glad I'm not holding Kevin Trenberth's poker hand right now.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/30/2013 8:14:30 AM EST]
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The argument that the “missing heat” is hiding in the deep ocean reminds me of the fairy tale that the heat or “hot spot” would be found in the upper troposphere. I remember hearing that once we find that hot spot we will have proof that Co2 is the main driver in global temperatures.

Reality didn’t fit the models and I don’t think it will this time either.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 7/30/2013 12:07:36 AM EST]
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It is looking (to me) that NASA's projected solar cycle 24 peak (projected to occur in the second half of this year) may have actually occurred a year ago.

This would not be good news for some CO2-centric, anthropogenic global warming (AGW) advocates who privately consider the sun's activities may have a lot more to do with climate than what they have been publicly stating.

It is understandable why solar cycles are downplayed as much as they have been. Publicly admitting that solar activities (and/or ocean cycles) are major drivers for changes in global climate (climate change) would be antecedent to the end of CO2-centric hysteria. There is a lot riding on keeping the CO2 demonization going. It is worth $billions. There is no other alternative but to ride it out. But the ride is getting very choppy.

Most CO2-centrics do not acknowledge the coincidence that the slight warming spike of the 80s and 90s occurred concurrently alongside two of the 5 most active solar cycles in 400 years. But some do, and it was just coincidence, and nothing more to talk about. But, now that temps have dropped along with solar activity, it's getting harder to ignore the elephant in the living room.

NOAA's SWPC shows a falling solar output over the last decade. (This current solar peak looks more like a bottom.)

Everyone is trying to explain where the supposed trapped heat went--where it's hiding. The missing heat is not hiding in the oceans (which is the most recent guess/explanation for why the UN IPCC's CO2-based predictive models have failed). The ocean temperatures have been on a similar track as the global atmospheric temperature over the last decade--both dropping.

It really looks like the missing heat escaped into space as it always has. Even the IPCC's projected tropospheric hotspot over the tropics is a non-starter.

Observing their own data, things are not looking good for CO2-centric hypothesists of man-made global warming. The UN IPCC's CO2-centric models are failing, BADLY.

Badly.

Disillusionment is good.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/28/2013 9:40:31 PM EST]
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An openly honest, frank blog begun by a Department Chair and Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, an ex-warmist who has representatives from both sides of the climate debate, both in the sciences as well as concerned climate avocationists who contribute:

In their own words.

There's gold in them, thar hills.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/27/2013 7:11:07 PM EST]
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"Sometime it would drive my dad nuts and he would wish I never learned how to say “why” or “what if”."

My curiosity got me into trouble sometimes. I noticed and remembered distinct details of mundane things. I thought it was normal, because it was normal for me. My father told me I asked way too many questions, and he called me a master of trivia. I thought that was a bad thing.

As an adult, once, he told me what he never said to me as a child--that I was very intelligent. He said that he wished he could have seen beyond his irritation with my curiosity and instead encouraged that part in me rather than seeing it as a bad thing. "I'm proud of you son" had to wait until I was fully into adulthood before he was able to say it. No matter one's age, I believe all sons crave to hear that from their fathers.

Better late than never.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/27/2013 6:55:44 PM EST]
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>>>>>Most of us came from a point of believers. ldheinz, Panama19 and myself, were believers until we began to study the subject.<<<<

Originally I was willing to believe but I had questions. My father’s family came from pre WW11 Germany as the Nazis were rising to power. He told me never just accept something, ask questions. You can see why he and his father felt that way. He told me never just blindly follow. As you can see at every stage of my life I was taught to be skeptical about things and ask question. Sometime it would drive my dad nuts and he would wish I never learned how to say “why” or “what if”. The point is when no one could answer my questions I had problems. Them when we found the errors and lies involved in the claim of manmade global warming.
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ministorage - " Most of us came from a point of believers. ldheinz, Panama19 and myself, were believers until we began to study the subject. "

For me, it was because I expect people claiming to be scientists to behave in a manner consistent with science. It was Al Gore's saying that we must not question, we must act now that woke me up. Blind obedience is not part of science. Neither is hiding your data or going on publicity tours before the facts are in. Altering the data is criminal.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 10:16:42 PM

Peer-Reviewed Canadian Survey Finds a Majority of Geoscientists and Engineers Skeptical of Global Warming Crisis

I realize a few AGW apologists around here might be quick to point out the survey wasn't just "climate scientists" and will therefore conclude it is invalid, just as the surveys showing the majority of actual membership of Meteorologists believe differently than the official statement of the American Meteorological Society.

It is worth noting that [the CO2-centric, AGW brand of] climate science has been dead wrong -- 100% of the time. That alone raises a question about how much weight should be placed on what they believe.

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts"
– Dr. Richard Feynman
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2013 8:32:06 AM

Thank you johnny. Most of us came from a point of believers. ldheinz, Panama19 and myself, were believers until we began to study the subject.

This period of time is akin to the dark ages. Climate science will be looked back on as a black eye on science.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 9:23:33 PM

Under the heading of I will admit when I make a mistake.

Ministorage pointed out that my post made me look younger than I am so I looked up Mann’s hockey stick and found out it came out after I graduated high school. I do remember the conversation because it was about the time the global cooling theory was dying and he was talking about warming. After thirty years I must have mistakenly assumed that it was Mann’s chart. It must have been another idea that supported the idea of global warming.

Regardless of if it was Mann’s chart or not the need for good research and open debate doesn’t change.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 7:30:07 PM

>>What's a drive by posting? I've been a lot busier lately. Perhaps I'm guilty of that.<<

I’m talking about the posts that only say “pure hyperbole” or “Straw man
“and comments like that that don’t even give a reference or explain why.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 8:15:20 AM


johnnyg1200, great post. Best synopsis of the climate question that I have seen.

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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 8:10:59 AM

What the climate 'experts' told us would (and will) happen, vs. reality: CO2-centric climate predictions--U.S. scientists

30 years ago there were tens of thousands of Volvo 244DLs and Toyota Corollas running around this country with bumper stickers that said, "Question Authority."

Today, it appears many of the same people have forsaken this principle.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 7:40:17 AM

"Thanks AM I try to do research and hate drive by postings."

Good post below; you're a lot younger than I figured.

What's a drive by posting? I've been a lot busier lately. Perhaps I'm guilty of that.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2013 6:09:56 PM

Young scientist predicts he will retire before climate models accurately predict climate

"It is crucial that we learn to take decisions despite uncertainty."

SMH
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2013 1:35:17 PM

Thanks AM I try to do research and hate drive by postings.
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2013 11:58:12 AM

That was one heckuva a post yesterday, johnny. Great point after great point.

Anyone see any roasted Texans lately?
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2013 11:37:14 AM

Contrary to the CYA propaganda the globalist climate LIARS are now selling to governments and the public, the missing heat is not defying the laws of physics and diving to the bottom of the oceans.

Both NASA and NOAA data show us there is less solar energy reaching our planet now than a decade ago.

During the same period of time, the earth's temperatures have also been declining.

The missing heat is 92,960,000 miles out in space.

[Edited by: ministorage at 7/23/2013 11:46:33 AM EST]
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I believe that the climate is changing. What I question is why. In the late 80’s to early 90’s we were given predictions of doom because Co2 was causing the planet to warm. As a kid I believed what I was being told. But my high school science teacher told us to be careful of believing pretty charts and slick talking scientist. He then pulled out Mann’s hockey stick chart and pointed out that the little ice age and the Roman era warm period were not represented on his graph. He told us if we ever did research, never make suck glaring mistakes or omissions that an old high school teacher who wasn’t even in the field could find them in five minutes. He told us even if your theory was correct the holes will destroy your credibility and make you look a fool.

He stressed to us that you have to be completely forth coming with your information and most importantly you have to be through in your research. He said you have to put all of the cards on the table and let the data speak for itself. He told us when you do this kind of research you may have an idea of what you think you know but you have to let the data prove your theory, or disprove it. Never use only the data that proves your theory and ignore the data that doesn’t fit. But most importantly he told us that if your data doesn’t tell you what you wanted to hear accept it and change your theory.

The Idea of Co2 forced global warming is not doing what they thought it would. We have more Co2 in the atmosphere every year and if the idea of Co2 forced global warming was correct we should see the global temp following. We haven’t. To make it worse the Co2 forced warming believers have been caught using improper data collection methods, they have been hiding information and black balling those who disagree with them. They have caught using reports that were from non-scientific sources. They have changed the data so that it better suits their theory. They have failed to check their data before they release reports of disaster only to find they misunderstood what they thought they saw. When it comes into the light they don’t retract there claims, instead they remain silent letting the misinformation spread.

Even if the idea of Co2 being the main driving force of global warming the scientists who make predictions of doom that fail to appear have damaged the credibility of the theory. Predictions of ice free Himalayan Mountains, claims that kids in Germany won’t know what snow is, a sea ice free 2013 in the Arctic, talking about one record hot summer in North America while remaining silent about repeated record cold winters in Europe.

Individually these and other errors make the Co2 centric supporters look like they aren’t doing their job very well, collectively they make the people pushing the idea look like they are working on pride or some kind of agenda. But when you add to all of these problems with the fact that the models are failing I have to conclude they got it wrong from the start and maybe Co2 isn’t as big a factor as the theory said.

In order to convince me that Co2 is a major driver in planetary temps I will need to see a prediction that stands up to the test of time, not a prediction that’s failure is explained after it failed, and a full and open debate with both sides represented and respected.
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 10:22:43 AM

Senator Barbara Boxer’s Own Experts Contradict Obama On Global Warming
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2013 8:39:54 AM

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[Edited by: ministorage at 7/22/2013 8:40:23 AM EST]
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btc1: "It is just way past time to get over this debate and recognize the truth, that, it is real."

Except warm-earthers like you keep believing the Alice in Wonderland liars.

You'd rather believe a diatribe from Bernie Sanders, the self-avowed socialist of the Senate--rather than what the scientists at the hearing had to say! You refuse to accept the mountains of data that reality is different from what they're selling (and quite often the exact opposite).

When the pro-AGW 'experts' are forced to admit Obama lied when he said global warming had accelerated over the past decade--rather than the fact it had actually *reversed course during that same time--I'd say it's way passed time to pull your head out of your backside.

Yes, climate change is real--but it's *not* the climate change they told us to expect. Yes, it IS way past time to get over this debate and begin recognizing the truth.

Alarmism about fantasies you want to believe are true, is not going to solve a darn thing.


[Edited by: ministorage at 7/21/2013 7:36:36 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2013 5:31:19 AM

Through The Looking Glass.

It is just way past time to get over this debate and recognize the truth, that, it is real.
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