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SAVMOR

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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 4:45:12 PM

Charles Krauthammer of the Washington Post said in an editorial this morning "that there is no need for radical change because the Republicans lost. The other party thinks it owns the demographic future - counter that in one stroke by fixing the Latino problem. Do not, however, abandon the party's philosophical anchor. In a world where European social democracy is imploding before our eyes, the party of smaller, more modernized government owns the ideological future."

I agree with his statements and that "the Republicans didn't loose the election because they advanced a bad argument but because they advanced a good argument not well enough. Romney ran a solid campaign, but he is by nature a Northeastern moderate. He sincerely adopted the new conservatism but still spoke it as a second language."

"There is an extraordinary bunch of rising stars in the Republican party and they are philosophically rooted and politically fluent in the new constitutional conservatism." 2014 and 2016 will see them burst forth.

[Edited by: SAVMOR at 11/11/2012 4:46:27 PM EST]
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:50:28 PM

Let's look at actual facts here, not Tea Party fantasies.

After the primaries, Romney fell way back in the polls (all of them).

Then the first debate came along, and Romney presented himself as a moderate. Someone willing to meet the same goals that Obama had.

And he suddenly surges. He almost caught up with, and could have passed Obama.

Then, out of the blue, at the last minute, some of the hideous right wing rhetoric resurfaced. The right wing fanatics had been shoo ins.

So the people were reminded right there what sort of people were backing Romney. What core beliefs were about to be shoved down our throats. Much like the people of Egypt, they began to back away from the former "nice guy".

And there, at the end, Romney lost. As did the shoo ins. And their hard core right wing philosophy.

And yet some people have deluded themselves into thinking that just a little tweak on the Latino issue, or a smidgen on the economy will get a hard core right candidate into the oval office.

Where can I buy some of that stuff you have been smoking? I would love an occasional break from reality. The difference is that when I come down, I won't still be in that fantasy land.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:51:53 PM

"Republicans might have come closer to winning two more seats if some prominent members had not shot their mouths off with shocking abortion misperceptions."

Conservatives seem to prefer to call what is referred to above as "misperceptions" as "values". They hold national conventions annually to reinforce them and everything. It's no great surprise that some candidates would feel so proud of their "values" that they'd be willing to expound on them if asked. It seems to be like asking someone about their grandchildren -- one ought to be prepared with ample time on their hands to hear about some of the glorious details.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 4:18:18 PM

They will be back, just wait Tea Party II the sequal.

Stay the corse.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 6:56:30 PM

Let Obama "succeed" in taxing the rich, just as England and France are attempting.

The false narrative out of the liberals attempts to convince people that higher taxes fixes economies: "we had higher taxes during Clinton and our economy boomed"

Chicken or egg argument -- Besides, household incomes peaked in 1998-99 and have never returned. Government spending has doubled since then, gasoline quadrupled. Most people right now are working harder for less pay than 2007.

Let Obama "succeed", we can clean up his mess when voters wake up from the ether
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 6:19:26 PM

Actually, Republicans might have come closer to winning two more seats if some prominent members had not shot their mouths off with shocking abortion misperceptions. And SuperStorm Sandy hit NYC just before the election bringing climate change into the discussion even after it was left out of the debates.

I attribute Obama's election successes greatly to factors beyond his control. In '08, the economy shifted onto the front burner for most voters as Wall street melted down in the fall. Republicans had nominated a candidate strong on the terror war but weak on the emerging number one issue, the economy. Even while running for the Senate Obama got an unforeseen campaign break.

I doubt things are as bleak for the Republicans as some pundits have fancied. They'll be back. Count on it.

But if they really wanted to come out with a game-changer they could embrace peace and a significant reduction of MIC spending. I don't see why brash sword-rattling has to be a Republican trait.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 5:48:00 PM

"No need to change anything...just keep doing what you been doing."

When in doubt, just double down on the conservatism. Works nearly every time.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 4:20:07 PM

Thanks, AC, for a well-thought, well-written program for the Republicans.

Is anyone in ....(what city are the republicans in?)....listening ??
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 12:04:19 PM

I think the Republicans need to make a few changes, but I don't think they're "out of touch" entirely. I think they need to get away from the abortion debate. It's pointless, and it needs to be a matter of personal choice. They need to say: "There are enough fences around it now that we would propose no additional regulations of any kind". And I think Romney was right on when he said he didn't want to change the law, but he: "Wanted to change the hearts and minds of Americans, so that it would be used in rare cases."

I also think the Reps need to push for 1) modernization and repeal of archaic, moot and irrelevant laws 2) Balancing the budget, and if negotiations don't prove fruitful, then do across the board cuts (2%/year?) until it is balanced. 3) Need to get the message out to minority voters that Reps have a big tent and they are welcome. 4) Grow a pair of brass ones, and start taking these messages to the people. Show them how even the poor will benefit from the policies they propose, and don't let the fool Dems get away with demonizing them as "racists".
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owt
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 3:11:03 PM

The Republicans just need to pander to the uninformed, dumb mass (drop the M) voters, promise them anything and then do as Pelosie said, it was just a campaign promise that isn't really suppose to be believed, (that isn't a quote but close to it).
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 12:00:54 PM

RNorm: "No need to change anything...just keep doing what you been doing."

This country is more divided and in worse shape than I thought.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 11:58:18 AM

mud, "ever higher taxes on what remains". Tax payers paying more taxes for the goodies they love, imagine that? If you are content to subsidize our friends' defenses around the world, I say put up or shut up. The same goes for dems that like their entitlements.

If cons are seen as champions of the wealthy 1% it is bye bye tea party candidates. All the shout downs at townhall meetings and demonstrations won't save them in the next election.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 4:23:05 PM

Your right, the republicans should stay the course.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 4:19:24 PM

no need to change anything, That certainly seems to be what the democrats think. Obama keeps saying he is willing to compromise, but yet we hear the same thing from him and his merry band that we heard for the last four years. Higher taxes on the wealthy, more spending, and very little in the way of spending cuts.
The sad thing is that we will all be hit with higher taxes, one way or another, and most liberals can't seem to understand that. Obama hasn't lost his knack, when it comes to pulling the wool over the eyes of the gullable.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 3:30:45 PM

Maybe not of national stature yet, but making the right moves and saying all the right things in this speech, the Cuban-American Senator from a large sunbelt state could be the candidate the Republicans are looking for. Marco Rubio? No, it's Ted Cruz!
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 12:06:14 AM


streetrider, "Stay the course if you think that is a winning strategy"

Like the Dems did after their 2010 drubbing?

Not bad advice, it would appear.

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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2012 11:32:28 PM

Stay the course if you think that is a winning strategy.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2012 11:22:10 PM

I think it is becoming clear that Team Obama is losing control of the information quarantine. The WH scandal response team is busy putting out prairie fires with an old broom (and the fire is spreading). Insider opportunists seeking money and fame will soon leak incriminating evidence to the press.

Meanwhile little GasBuddies here are busy posting threads about "Fox Lied" and "racist rednecks". hahaha "while rome burns"

I'm starting to really appreciate losing last Tuesday! Stand out of the way and watch the Democrats run for cover!
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 9:27:01 PM

I don't believe it matters anymore. There is no way that the philosophy of limited government and fiscal restraint, as envisioned by the founders, will win a national election going forward, at least not until after we have experienced the full measure of the consequences of our current path. Those who are left to pick up the pieces may at that point return to those principles, but as long as the borrowed money party lasts, that philosophy has no chance. Tuesday proved that the takers now have the ability to overwhelm the producers at the ballot box, and nothing short of a fiscal disaster is going to change this dynamic.

The baby boomers are going to be transitioning from producers to takers as they leave the job market and retire; they are going to overwhelm Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare, and as those boomers who did save for retirement withdraw their money from the stock market, the capital available for investment is going to dry up. This is all before punitive taxes are put on the wealthy, encouraging them to take their money out of the markets, and likely out of the country.

Government's reaction to all of this will be ever higher taxes on what remains, more borrowing until nobody will lend to us, and the printing of money. At best our economy and lifestyle will slowly deteriorate, and mandatory rationing of government freebies, just like in Britain, will happen because there is no choice. At worst, if the politicians who attempt to ration the freebies are immediately defeated at the polls by the takers (a distinct possibility as is currently happening in Greece), then we are in for an economic death spiral, and are likely to cause an unprecedented world wide economic disaster.

I'm thinking we will know the answer to some of these questions within 7-10 years, as I think that's about about the longest other countries will be willing to keep loaning us money. If Europe has a big upheaval and people get a first hand look at what's in store for us, it might happen sooner as a run on the markets forces everyone's hand.


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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 8:33:29 PM

No need to change anything...just keep doing what you been doing.

LOL, No problem with minorities, or asinine comments about rape. Truly, the GOP is A-Ok!
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jacka123
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 8:26:27 PM

Maybe by 2016, most minorities will realize the Democratic party is doing little for them. That should help.
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