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Teslukbla

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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2012 7:25:46 PM

Do you expect Obama to approve the Keystone pipeline early during the 2nd term. Will Obama disappoint the environmentalists in order to gain favors with Congressional Republicans? With Obama not needing the environmentalists to help him get elected again, how deep is the loyalty to them?

[Edited by: Teslukbla at 11/8/2012 7:27:16 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 1:30:07 PM

Obama is still dilly-dallying over this issue. And I found it interesting that he still objects, even though the Governor of Nebraska has now approved the new route around the sandhills.
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 1:07:15 PM

All members of the McLaughlin Group, Buchanan, Zuckerman, Clift, and Ferrechio stated their opinion on today's show that they believe the pipeline will be built.
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 1:35:52 AM

U.S. State Department delays Keystone decision. Wait till after March.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 3:59:05 PM

Not until Warren Buffet gives him the ok. Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway (owner of the BNSF Railroad) has benefited greatly by the delay. Oil is shipped in tank cars and from what I've read, the BNSF has ordered more.
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 2:25:09 PM

Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman approves the new Keystone plan. The new plan does not effect the Sand Hills Region. "The governor sent a letter Tuesday to President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying Nebraska has determined the new route for the underground oil pipeline meets state standards."
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 10:34:54 AM

Will Obama do anything to try to bring down oil and gasoline prices?
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 10:32:01 AM

John Kerry owns stock in Canadian pro-Keystone XL firms. The article indicates "Federal financial disclosure records show Kerry has investments of as much as US$750,000 in Suncor, a Calgary-based energy company whose CEO has urged the U.S. to greenlight TransCanada's controversial project."
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:02:02 PM

One other factor - pipelines are safer by orders of magnitude than shipping oil by rail or barge.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:01:16 PM

Will our gas prices ever be as low as they were before Obama was president?
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 8:06:11 PM

"As an investor in Union Pacific, I hope he doesn't. A lot of that stuff is being shipped by rail and barge now."

Barge traffic on the Mississippi River is in currently in jeopardy. What is shipped by barge may soon have to all be shipped by rail or truck for awhile if the river level continues to drop. Some folks speculate that there could be several years of drought in a row which would devastate agriculture and the barge industry. There are a lot of pros and cons to building the pipeline, but one pro is that it creates more diversity with how oil is moved from one location to another in the event there were to be several years in a row of severe drought to where rivers are closed to barge traffic.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Dec 31, 2012 5:19:15 PM

As an American wanting what's best for my country, I wish he would approve the entire thing.

As an investor in Union Pacific, I hope he doesn't. A lot of that stuff is being shipped by rail and barge now.

Check their stock for the past three years. Slow, steady climb, even though the "guru of Wall Street" sold off his shares four years ago. I bought at $65. Now close to $130

Like I have said before, the Bush/Obama economic policies have been a windfall for me.

I knew the Bush policies would cause a crash, so I planned for it. Bought a lot of gold and overseas stock. But just how lucky can one guy get to have Bush followed by an equally incapable official?

I LOVE capitalism. :o)

But the pipeline would benefit a LOT of Americans, so I wish Obama would stop acting so skittish, and approve the darn thing. I'll find something else to invest in.
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Message Posted: Dec 31, 2012 1:41:14 PM

If Obama were going to approve of Keystone XL, he would have done so before the election. That would have appealed to the organized labor elements of his base, which is a bigger constituent group of the Democratic Party than environmentalist "greenies".

Since the election is past, any incentive for Obama to approve Keystone XL is also past. All he has is his "greenie" convictions.

Historical note: YDraigGoch has always claimed to be an "independent," neither Left nor Right. But his post of November 9 is the first (and perhaps only) time he has criticized the Left, as opposed to the Right.

GTH
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Dec 30, 2012 4:37:52 PM

Russ Girling, CEO of TransCanada, appears to be confident that the Obama Administration will give approval of Keystone.
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 8:42:49 AM

Moody predicts the Obama administration is going to approve Keystone.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2012 9:32:10 AM

"In other words the end destination is the same, regardless the vehicle that gets it there. Big whoop."

You truly don't get it do you!

Via Keystone, oil just doesn't get loaded directly on a ship in Texas!

Have you ever studied value-added supply chains in economics? Let me spell it out.

1. Canadian tar sands oil comes to Texas in a new pipeline
2. Americans refine products worth even more than just the oil by itself.
3. A variety of demanded refined products are loaded on ships
4. A US refiner earns an obscene profit, pays its employees
5. Billions in taxes are paid to the Federal govt

Your attitude is "big whoop" send the oil directly to China from Canada.

Fatally flawed for jobs, and taxes but you could care less.


[Edited by: e_jeepin at 11/12/2012 9:34:18 AM EST]
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cbuck80
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2012 8:21:54 AM

I don't think he will. We will all suffer for it.
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2012 7:33:49 AM

>>>In other words the end destination is the same, regardless the vehicle that gets it there.<<<

If Obama is serious about lowering unemployment numbers, then he better concentrate on putting our 'vehicle' to work.
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EKEugene
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 4:49:36 PM


>> Or Canada will just ship the oil to Asia, with ZERO benefit to the US. <<

In other words the end destination is the same, regardless the vehicle that gets it there.

Big whoop.

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worryfree
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 4:44:56 PM

Despite a resounding slap in the face you cons haven't changed a bit. You have said Obama will be wrong if he approves the pipeline and if he doesn't. As before your hyperpartisanship has rendered you meaningless.
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 3:58:54 PM

Canada will ship their oil to somebody.

Build the pipeline and we can take it, refine it, sell it here and abroad, and keep our oil industry workers employed while lowering our balance of trade deficit.

Or Canada will just ship the oil to Asia, with ZERO benefit to the US.

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EKEugene
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 1:29:11 PM


EJeep, my position is honest debate. I'm against false premises. That's why I just gave you credit for destroying one. Keystone XL does not put any more fuel in the pumps on Maple Street, and finally we agree on that. It's just hard to believe it took the better part of a year to see such an acknowledgement.

We went through the same charade with the "drill here drill now" LCD slogan going around in 2008 when gas prices were at a record high. The way I see it, if you have to make stuff up to support your position, then you don't really have one.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 1:11:54 PM

My gut feeling tells me everything is on the table in 2013. Obama may ask cons what they are willing to compromise on to get it. My concern is that the pipeline will hurt our energy independence by sending too much oil overseas.

Guitar, "hello $7 a gallon gas blah blah blah" and you base this doom and gloom on?

Tesk, "trade imbalance" compared to energy independence? Most Americans probably disagree with you. Also remember Guitar man is predicting $7 a gallon gas and I'm sure he can back that prediction up with a Fox business report. Fox, wrong? Never, Lol!
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 8:32:37 AM

EKE, what exactly is your position? It appears you are against US petroleum companies from exporting goods to other countries at a higher profit because US demand is stagnant.

I cant figure out what you liberals want in life -- demand jobs and tax revenues but insist on energy and economic growth policies counteractive to both!
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 9:21:00 PM

yes
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EKEugene
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 12:40:38 PM


>> whine whine "if we build keystone, they will just export it at a profit, we wont get any!"

Liberals fail to understand that the US is the Saudi Arabia of refined products that the World demands... <<

Wow, this is progress. Someone from the Right *finally* admits this IS how it will work.

Baby steps...

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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 12:34:43 PM

Canada expects Obama administration to approve Keystone now htat the election is over.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 10:00:31 AM

whine whine "if we build keystone, they will just export it at a profit, we wont get any!"

Liberals fail to understand that the US is the Saudi Arabia of refined products that the World demands. It is our last great industry that pays Billions in taxes. Refined product exports also carried the load attempting to counter our trade imbalance.

Libs want all carbon fuels shut down, killed off by 2025. Only a few car will achieve the mandated 54.5 MPG by then, electric has to fill the balance. No pickup trucks, minivans, etc. If only 2% of the market can afford a $45,000 electric car today, does anyone truly believe it will be cheaper in 2025? These will be $60,000! We will be diminished to surviving on 15 year old clunkers paying $7 gallon (and will survive without $60K in personal debt)

If they kill Keystone, we lose what's left of our global competitiveness. Canada will deliver directly to the Chinese and they will refine it themselves.



[Edited by: e_jeepin at 11/10/2012 10:03:33 AM EST]
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 9:42:28 AM

"I can't see Michiggy, nor can he see me. He's on my "iggy" list, and I'm on his. However, so what if it gets refined into gasoline and leaves the country? Chemicals and refined products only help our trade imbalance. And that STILL means that this oil and the distillates will be available for the rest of the US. That much more on the world market is that much more for everyone - helping to drive prices down due to increased supply and production. What is the problem here? Why is this a bad thing?"

The oil is imported into the U.S. from Canada, then refined into gasoline, and then sold as a U.S. export. I don't believe most in the U.S. object to importing from Canada. And I would expect almost everyone to be in favor of seeing the U.S. increase exports.
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 9:08:53 AM

No - not likely!
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 12:41:03 AM

I can't see Michiggy, nor can he see me. He's on my "iggy" list, and I'm on his. However, so what if it gets refined into gasoline and leaves the country? Chemicals and refined products only help our trade imbalance. And that STILL means that this oil and the distillates will be available for the rest of the US. That much more on the world market is that much more for everyone - helping to drive prices down due to increased supply and production. What is the problem here? Why is this a bad thing?
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 12:11:23 AM

"Oh, Zinged. Will the pipeline oil go to American refineries or will most of it go to the Gulf for export?????

Yes Michiganian, the Canadian oil which reaches the super sized refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast will be refined into gasoline which will then be exported to Asia. The United States has become the largest exporter of gasoline.
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Teslukbla
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 12:06:40 AM

"I do wonder if Obama will come up with some other lame excuse as to why Keystone XL cannot be built? No piplines through the Sandhills? Well, OK, but aren't there already a bunch of pipelines in that area? Why is this one worse? Is it because the Sierra Club TOLD HIM it was?"

As for Nebraska, the popular vote in the 2012 election for Romney was 60%. Romney won all of the counties in the Sand Hills region by receiving 69% or more of the popular vote. Those ranchers in the Sand Hills area of the state who originally protested the Keystone pipeline did not help Obama carry the state or win counties. Obama won the popular vote in only one county, which is not in the Sand Hills region. Obama does not owe the environmentalists or the Sand Hills ranchers anything, politically speaking. Without having to run for office again, Obama now has the flexibility to make a deal with Congressional Republicans and approve Keystone.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 11:56:16 PM

Oh, Zinged. Will the pipeline oil go to American refineries or will most of it go to the Gulf for export?????
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 8:56:28 PM

I do wonder if Obama will come up with some other lame excuse as to why Keystone XL cannot be built? No piplines through the Sandhills? Well, OK, but aren't there already a bunch of pipelines in that area? Why is this one worse? Is it because the Sierra Club TOLD HIM it was?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 7:58:01 PM

He never wanted the pipeline in the first place (all that dirty evil capitalism supporting oil), and now he doesn't need the unions anymore. Besides, he'll pay them off a bit later with card check.


mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 5:31:22 PM

obama do the right thing, not likely.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 5:28:06 PM

Not a snowball's chance in heck.

In fact, the EPA just announced additional closures on oil drilling here in the west:

Interior proposal would block oil shale development on federal lands in West

Hello $7 a gallon of gas, hyper inflation, and 10% unemployment!!!!
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 5:05:08 PM

"The pipelines of today are not even remotely like the ones that used to leak all over the place. But some people are basing their objections on these ancient technologies."

I favor the pipeline but Enbridge still has a lot of oil spills.

A Decade Of Oil Spills
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 4:17:55 PM

No, I don't think he will.

I think he will setup a deal with Opec and buy more from them.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 4:09:25 PM

When did Obama start working on his re-election? The day after the 2008 election!

Democrats will start plotting their 2016 landslide win in January 2013. Allowing Keystone to proceed has absolutely zero benefit to them and will not cost them the election in 2016. With the permanent demographic shift of the electorate, Democrats honestly don't have to deliver anything in the next 4 years to win in 2016.

Look at the voting track record of Detroit for proof. 50 years of Democrats, nothing to show for it except for 85,000 abandon houses and chronic poverty. Just keep hoping every 4 years!

[Edited by: e_jeepin at 11/9/2012 4:11:33 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 3:59:18 PM

Nope
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 3:15:22 PM

Just like the hard right, the left often gets stuck in a forty year old time warp.

The pipelines of today are not even remotely like the ones that used to leak all over the place. But some people are basing their objections on these ancient technologies.

I have more than a passing knowledge of the oil and gas industry, as well as a degree in physics. I have studied all the data I can find, and at this time see no reason to delay the pipeline any longer.

There were initially concerns about routing across a geologically active area, as well as across the tar sands. But the path has been rerouted. The governor signed off on it.

We now come down to basically political head banging. It has now become an issue of "The right wants it, so we won't give iit to them".

Now, most of you know that I am NOT a fan of the far right. But this time, they are correct. Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while. Accept it and move on.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 2:51:53 PM

Yes, Obama got the votes he needed from the environmentalists to help insure his re-election and now being a hypocrite he will approve the pipeline.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 2:07:43 PM

I think he will and yesterday's paper said the Canadians expect him to approve it also.
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 11:31:14 AM

Yes!!
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 10:53:56 AM

No keystone! No dirty oil! No bonanza for the Koch brothers!

Green energy.

Green jobs.

Take care of the planet and our habitat.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 10:18:09 AM

Not if the Nebraska aquifer is affected and a large percentage of the oil does not go to American refineries.
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2012 7:39:33 PM

No, that would make way to much sense.
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2012 7:36:42 PM

No.
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