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EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,480 Points:1,711,555 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:49:50 AM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse 9:20AM EDT October 29. 2012 - President Obama says his administration is still investigating the attack on U.S. Consulate in Libya, and is offended at suggestions that it did not do enough to protect American targets there. "Anytime a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans who were serving our country get killed, we have to figure out what happened and fix it," Obama said in a taped interview with MSNBC's Morning Joe. "But," he added, "I do take offense with some suggestion that in any way, we haven't tried to make sure that the American people knew as the information was coming in what we believed." Republicans and other critics have questioned security at the consulate in Benghazi, the shifting stories about what led to the attack, and whether the U.S. government could have provided more help to the embassy employees under siege. The Sept. 11 attack killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. Officials initially attributed the violence to a protest of an anti-Islam film that got out of hand, but later called it a planned terrorist operation. In his Morning Joe interview -- taped Saturday -- Obama pledged accountability if his aides mishandled the response to Benghazi.USA Today

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9:20AM EDT October 29. 2012 - President Obama says his administration is still investigating the attack on U.S. Consulate in Libya, and is offended at suggestions that it did not do enough to protect American targets there.

"Anytime a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans who were serving our country get killed, we have to figure out what happened and fix it," Obama said in a taped interview with MSNBC's Morning Joe.

"But," he added, "I do take offense with some suggestion that in any way, we haven't tried to make sure that the American people knew as the information was coming in what we believed."

Republicans and other critics have questioned security at the consulate in Benghazi, the shifting stories about what led to the attack, and whether the U.S. government could have provided more help to the embassy employees under siege.

The Sept. 11 attack killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. Officials initially attributed the violence to a protest of an anti-Islam film that got out of hand, but later called it a planned terrorist operation.

In his Morning Joe interview -- taped Saturday -- Obama pledged accountability if his aides mishandled the response to Benghazi.USA Today

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owt Champion Author Tennessee Posts:10,292 Points:1,591,570 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:02:07 PM Ignore owt Report Abuse The BUTCHERS of BENGHAZI should be offended.
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 21, 2013 9:00:29 PM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "the 3.00am call that Hilary was talking about , looks like neither one could handle it" "yea that nasty gop have done nothing but stall they have only passed a budget every year and have sent to the senate over a hundred bills so far this year and the senate and white house 1 for the senate and two for the wh and none on time in almost five years but plenty if golf" Proof that Cincy>C-Bus... ;)
florida1541 Veteran Author Columbus Posts:370 Points:4,280 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: May 21, 2013 9:52:46 AM Ignore florida1541 Report Abuse the 3.00am call that Hilary was talking about , looks like neither one could handle it
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 21, 2013 9:45:49 AM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "She's the individual who denied a top diplomat security officer's request to keep a 16 man military team who had been protecting diplomats." This is a proactive solution that should have been heeded. I believe herbiepopnecker's commnet was related more to the aftermath. At least, that is how I read it...
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 21, 2013 9:44:18 AM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "How would you classify the CH-47 shootdown in August 2011?" A clear example of WHY we don't do what folks wanted done in Benghazi! "Why would we send in that type of helicopter where there was only one route in. In that terrain the enemy had the advantage. The Taliban attacked it from two different locations." Exactly - a tactical mistake. As mighty as a military that we have, it is still run by humans so not every decision made by the COC is perfect. Just ask johnnyg1200, I am sure he has seen a bad decision or two made by a CO in his career.
wbacon Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:13,430 Points:2,986,185 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: May 21, 2013 5:12:37 AM Ignore wbacon Report Abuse getting too close to the truth? Any ideas on what the truth is?
runningmp Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:24,550 Points:2,751,305 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 21, 2013 12:34:21 AM Ignore runningmp Report Abuse >>herbiepopnecker, I don't understand what all the ranting is about this, there's not a damn thing anyone could have done. Or did you expect someone to 'send in the Marines' to a foreign country?..<< Read up on what was posted about Charlene Lamb. She's the individual who denied a top diplomat security officer's request to keep a 16 man military team who had been protecting diplomats.
runningmp Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:24,550 Points:2,751,305 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 21, 2013 12:30:22 AM Ignore runningmp Report Abuse >>Weasle, you wholly misinterpret my post. We send our fighting boys into hostile territory all the time. With intelligence (not on a whim)...<< How would you classify the CH-47 shootdown in August 2011? Why would we send in that type of helicopter where there was only one route in. In that terrain the enemy had the advantage. The Taliban attacked it from two different locations.
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:54:27 PM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "If the criteria for sending in the military is we have to have all the information/intelligence about what they might have facing them maybe you can tell me when enough intel is enough" That is for people like Mr. Gates to decide. As Spurgeon Tanner said "...this is not a video game son; it really isn't." You don't have to have 'all' of the information but you need enough to know you aren't going to lose 25 trying to save 5. Sometimes (probably more often than not), deciding NOT to send in the cavalry is the more difficult decision to make. Let's stop pretending that this is an easy decision to make either way.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,896 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:17:07 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse An act of war by a terrorist organization is no less an act of war. If the criteria for sending in the military is we have to have all the information/intelligence about what they might have facing them maybe you can tell me when enough intel is enough. But be sure to let me know when this became the standard.
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,480 Points:1,711,555 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:12:06 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse Weasel: <<<"The focus shouldn't be on the response but rather why they were still there in the first place. This is the root cause for why we lost those brave souls. Anything else is the cloud of politics falling over the truth to grind an axe.">>> *********** Agreed on finding out why we were there in the first place, but I also must know why Obama lied to us, Obama's deception of the country's business is unacceptable, no matter how anyone attempts to spin it. Equally important IMHO is why he lied to the American people, the office of the president should be the epitome of moral fortitude, not the source of deception and lies.
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:02:29 PM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "We will have learned less then nothing if we don't address this issue first." The focus shouldn't be on the response but rather why they were still there in the first place. This is the root cause for why we lost those brave souls. Anything else is the cloud of politics falling over the truth to grind an axe.
mudtoe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,533 Points:1,292,265 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 2:26:25 PM Ignore mudtoe Report Abuse WS: "Then we will have learned nothing for the future if this is all the Right cares about with regards to Benghazi. " We will have learned less then nothing if we don't address this issue first. You can't learn any lessons while the people who have committed the acts described in I75's paragraph are still in positions of power to control the investigation, all the while having an overwhelming objective to make sure that the investigation does not uncover what they have done. mudtoe
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 2:10:41 PM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "And that succinct paragraph is the entire essence of the Benghazi scandal." Then we will have learned nothing for the future if this is all the Right cares about with regards to Benghazi.
I75at7AM Champion Author Dayton Posts:66,579 Points:2,437,345 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 2:06:08 PM Ignore I75at7AM Report Abuse Article: What Hurts the Most about Benghazi "Benghazi is about Americans fighting jihadis for their lives and being abandoned to die by politicians. It is about Obama and Clinton calculating what the headlines would look like if they tried to save them or if they did nothing. They chose nothing, and they almost got away with it." ↑ ↑ ↑ And that succinct paragraph is the entire essence of the Benghazi scandal.
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 9:48:08 AM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "If that's what it takes yes Herbie you 'send in the Marines' along with anything else they need to fix the problem." Except in this case it would have been 'blindly send in the Marines'. Not a great combat strategy IMO. "Attacking a diplomatic facility and killing the Ambassador is an act of war in case you didn't know it." Was it an act of war? I thought it was an 'act of terror' - I mean, a terroist attack (or all of the above)? Do you see now why the label of what it was really doesn't matter, as Ms. Clinton indicated?
LTVibe Champion Author Orlando Posts:6,701 Points:523,620 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 8:17:32 AM Ignore LTVibe Report Abuse You mean you ASSUME I trusted Jonathan Karl. Actually, I was more surprised that an ABC correspondent would make such a potentially damaging report about the Obama administration than I was about the report itself.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 7:54:39 AM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse You have, apparently, LTV, trusted Jonathan Karl's incorrect report of the emails from the Republican summaries.
LTVibe Champion Author Orlando Posts:6,701 Points:523,620 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: May 20, 2013 7:40:26 AM Ignore LTVibe Report Abuse btc1: "Ah,,,we knew that. We did not understand his employment there. He was good! So now you conservatives want to just dismiss him, when he is employed by CBS? You guys are so easy..." I haven't dismissed him, but I would not necessarily trust him or any other correspondent, no matter who they are or whatever news organization they work for. As for the emails the White House released: Anybody with computer skills can 'doctor' an email or document or anything else done on a PC. Major Garrett should be just as skeptical of the WH as he is the Republicans.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,896 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 8:20:42 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Herbie - read the words to the Marine's Hymn . "From the Halls of Montezuma, To the shores of Tripoli; We fight our country's battlesIn the air, on land, and sea; First to fight for right and freedom And to keep our honor clean: We are proud to claim the title Of United States Marine." If that's what it takes yes Herbie you 'send in the Marines' along with anything else they need to fix the problem. Attacking a diplomatic facility and killing the Ambassador is an act of war in case you didn't know it.
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,480 Points:1,711,555 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 7:39:06 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse Runningmp: <<<"While the board did investigate numerous angles of the security issues, it didn’t look at who perpetrated the attack, nor did it probe the administration’s public communications afterward. No less an authority than the board’s co-chairman undercut Obama’s sweeping claim that the board "investigated every element" with repeated comments on three Sunday shows. On balance, we rate Obama’s claim Mostly False.">>> ************** There is an important reason that those aspects of the Benghazi massacre were ignored by investigators, that was the portion where the Obama White House have covered up the misinformation that they provided to the American public as well as international dignitaries, in order to create a false sense of security regarding Al Qaeda during an election season. Perhaps in the same light, we can have the IRS investigate themselves for profiling certain tax entities illegally, and have the justice department investigate themselves for placing illegal wiretaps on the phones of reporters. The illicit covert activities of the Obama administration are very troubling, Nixon would have been proud.
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 6:32:44 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse LTVibe, 'Back in 2010, Major Garrett was senior White House correspondent for Fox News. And we all know what you liberals think about Fox News correspondents." Ah,,,we knew that. We did not understand his employment there. He was good! So now you conservatives want to just dismiss him, when he is employed by CBS? You guys are so easy...
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,621 Points:2,510,230 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 5:43:38 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse I don't understand what all the ranting is about this, there's not a damn thing anyone could have done. Or did you expect someone to 'send in the Marines' to a foreign country?
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,583 Points:269,625 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 5:14:58 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse "Lamb responded, “No, sir.” I stand corrected.
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 5:09:57 PM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "Nope.." And you are welcome to your opinion runningmp.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,896 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 4:51:00 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse I got news for you Mr. President - I dont give a flying fig if your offended or not - answer the questions and stop playing games. . >>>Going on the offensive about President Obama’s mysterious whereabouts during the Benghazi terrorist attacks of September 11, 2012 that resulted in the deaths of four Americans including Ambassador Chris Stevens, White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer said it was “offensive” for anyone to question whether the White House could have done more. The assertion “from Republicans” that Obama was not responsive enough during the attack, said Pfeiffer, is “offensive.” . . . Obama’s whereabouts the night of the Benghazi attack remain unclear. Whether he could have done something remains similarly unclear, given lack of information about who ordered a military stand-down for forces ready to defend Americans in Benghazi, and whether Obama could have cut through red tape to make it happen were it feasible.<<< Answer the questions - where was the President and what did he do - if anything besides dither and stall. Mr. President I really hate to break this to you - you do not have the right to not be offended. YOU do have the responsibility and duty to do your job. So far I have not seen a whole lot of performance on your part. Where were you - what did you do - who gave the stand down order --- lots of questions I demand answers for as an American citizen. Personally I just don't care if it offends you to demand you explain how you are doing the job your being paid to do. You got the watch Mr President - you got the responsibility - answer the questions. [Edited by: flyboyUT at 5/19/2013 4:54:43 PM EST]
runningmp Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:24,550 Points:2,751,305 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 12:08:22 AM Ignore runningmp Report Abuse "Over the last several months, there was a review board headed by two distinguished Americans, Mike Mullen and Tom Pickering, who investigated every element of" the Benghazi incident. Barack Obama on Monday, May 13th, 2013 in a press availability Barack Obama says review of Benghazi attack "investigated every element" While the board did investigate numerous angles of the security issues, it didn’t look at who perpetrated the attack, nor did it probe the administration’s public communications afterward. No less an authority than the board’s co-chairman undercut Obama’s sweeping claim that the board "investigated every element" with repeated comments on three Sunday shows. On balance, we rate Obama’s claim Mostly False.
runningmp Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:24,550 Points:2,751,305 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 12:07:11 AM Ignore runningmp Report Abuse John_Bunyon, the only contribution you give to this topic is that the moderators will ban you and your comment(s) will no longer exist. It will be like you were never here.
runningmp Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:24,550 Points:2,751,305 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 19, 2013 12:05:50 AM Ignore runningmp Report Abuse >>Weasle, I do not solely blame the GOP due to this fact (although each party loves blaming the other as if each didn't have a hand in this debacle) although I believe it did play a role in a lack of security...<< Nope.. >>Middle, It's a big contributing factor...<< Since your not Charlene Lamb you argument is not valid. Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?” Lamb responded, “No, sir.” This would be the same Charlene Lamb who denied a top diplomat security officer's request to keep a 16 man military team who had been protecting diplomats.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,896 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:43:24 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse JD - I think you said a lot more than you realize. That's a Bingo, Bang and a BOOM plus an attaboy tossed in.
mudtoe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,533 Points:1,292,265 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:33:27 PM Ignore mudtoe Report Abuse nsb: "...there is only one answer, he wanted re election, at any cost. " That's the common denominator about both the Benghazi and the IRS scandals. There was a single common goal at the root of both. mudtoe
noseatbelt Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,647 Points:205,610 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:23:22 PM Ignore noseatbelt Report Abuse did obama give the order to stand down, mabey, mabey, not, did he know about it? sure he did, there is no way he didn't know about it he is the president. has he lied about it, every thing out there says yes. Why the big effort to cover it up, there is only one answer, he wanted re election, at any cost.
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,894 Points:1,201,815 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:18:47 PM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse bho can call in the Marines to hold 2 umbrellas, but he couldn't call them in to help 4 Americans in Benghazi. who would you rather have in the wh to take a phone call at 0300? how about a president who has served in the Military with some experience and some leadership qualities instead of some govt paid community social worker who only knows how to take and not give.
nstrdnvstr Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:36,875 Points:3,987,880 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:14:25 PM Ignore nstrdnvstr Report Abuse EZExit, "The only thing we know for sure, is that it appears to be someone simply trying to make our president look bad..." Obama is doing a fine job doing that himself!
nstrdnvstr Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:36,875 Points:3,987,880 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:12:20 PM Ignore nstrdnvstr Report Abuse Weaslespit, ""So your telling me that we have no plan in place for attacks on our foreign consulate, even when were given lead time." It isn't about having a plan - there are lots of 'plans; but you can't possibly predict every scenario - there a millions of permutations. It is about knowing where 'their' assets are and how many, etc ant THEN planning accordingly. This is why your SEAL team was so effective, they had DAYS to plan a covert night raid." It was 9/11!!!! Attacks should have been planned for!!! Those that fail to plan, plan to fail. And that is exactly what the Obama administration did.
mudtoe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,533 Points:1,292,265 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:11:25 PM Ignore mudtoe Report Abuse btc: "Did the stand down order come from the White House? No, the Pentagon. If it really came as said at all. " That brings back the question of just where was the Commander-In-Chief when that 3am call Hillary referred to in her 2008 primary commercial came in (yes, it came in a little earlier than 3am, but POTUS was still MIA when it happened)? mudtoe
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 3:40:25 PM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "So your telling me that we have no plan in place for attacks on our foreign consulate, even when were given lead time." It isn't about having a plan - there are lots of 'plans; but you can't possibly predict every scenario - there a millions of permutations. It is about knowing where 'their' assets are and how many, etc ant THEN planning accordingly. This is why your SEAL team was so effective, they had DAYS to plan a covert night raid. This isn't a video game where you push a button, send the troops in and succeed. This is the 'cartoonish' portion of Gates' testimony. "God, please give us some folks who lead, instead of Lord knows what. Are these the kind of leaders you would follow into war.....?" Again, I contest that NOT going to 'war' can be the harder decision to make.
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,480 Points:1,711,555 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 2:25:52 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse Btc: <<<"Oh, EZExit, do you, now? So why the perpetuation of something you have no idea, about? If it is true it will come out. If not you are going to what? Implode?">>> ********* Implode? Nah, however my opinion of the lack of transparency by the white house will be yet again further substantiated. It does not take hours of testimony, 1000's of pages of emails, and 8 months of double speak and dodging, to know who it was that made the call to stand down. It's really that simple. You haven't come out and stated as such, but I honestly think that you have the opinion that Obama has no idea as to what happened and when in regards to the Benghazi massacre. I'll tell you, he knows more about what occurred than you and I put together, including who, what, where, and when the orders to stand down (these stand down orders are acknowledged and in the record). You choose to blindly defend these actions, I choose to question why these actions occurred, as they readily appear to be illogical in nature.
LTVibe Champion Author Orlando Posts:6,701 Points:523,620 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 2:16:36 PM Ignore LTVibe Report Abuse From btc1's post: "Republicans leaked the email summaries, CBS News' Major Garrett reports." Back in 2010, Major Garrett was senior White House correspondent for Fox News. And we all know what you liberals think about Fox News correspondents. ;-)
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:49:17 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Oh, EZExit, do you, now? So why the perpetuation of something you have no idea, about? If it is true it will come out. If not you are going to what? Implode? [Edited by: btc1 at 5/18/2013 1:49:46 PM EST]
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,480 Points:1,711,555 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:47:04 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse Btc: <<<"Did the stand down order come from the White House? No, the Pentagon. If it really came as said at all.">>> ********* Translation: "I don't know" :)
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:38:27 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse Did the stand down order come from the White House? No, the Pentagon. If it really came as said at all.
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,480 Points:1,711,555 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:34:03 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse MexicoMaria: <<<"...and btc....maybe you could tell me why the stand down order to Tripoli, and who gave it?">>> ************* Nobody currently knows, it is very possible nobody will ever know. There is somebody very high ranking in Washington making decisions and influencing actions on various governmental departments that is even more secretive than Area 51, and they are so covert that nobody ever sees them. The only thing we know for sure, is that it appears to be someone simply trying to make our president look bad. Some have even stated that it could very well be George Bush himself. The pattern is always the same, make inane decisions, leak a few details with links to the white house, and then disappear into the night.
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,480 Points:1,711,555 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:27:47 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse Johnny: <<<"At the risk of feeding the conspiracy theorists that think the press is in the tank for Obama here are the numbers for Afghanistan. The war started in Oct 2001 so I will start with 2002 2002 ---30 2003---33 2004---49 2005---93 2006---88 2007---111 2008---153 Total for seven years under Bush 457 Obama takes office in Jan of 2009 2009---310 2010---496 2011---421 2012---301 Total for four years under Obama 1528">>> ************ That's just great, you have neutered a commonly used liberal counter point used in numerous threads on these boards when liberals get forced into a corner. I am impressed my friend!
mexicomaria Champion Author Minnesota Posts:24,142 Points:1,358,415 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:08:20 PM Ignore mexicomaria Report Abuse ...and btc....maybe you could tell me why the stand down order to Tripoli, and who gave it?
mexicomaria Champion Author Minnesota Posts:24,142 Points:1,358,415 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:05:57 PM Ignore mexicomaria Report Abuse Weasle...I'm a gonna tell ya...we are the greatest nation on earth, militarily, everyone is gonna wanna be our friend, we have a plan for everything. So your telling me that we have no plan in place for attacks on our foreign consulate, even when were given lead time. Then I would have to tell you that they need new managers, maybe some enlisted men instead of many star generals who are sooooooooooo busy, maybe we need a President, who is competent to run anything, maybe a Sec of State that keeps tabs on what is going on. God, please give us some folks who lead, instead of Lord knows what. Are these the kind of leaders you would follow into war.....? Is absolutely everyone sitting on their brain....
btc1 Champion Author Lexington Posts:17,838 Points:793,230 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 12:51:59 PM Ignore btc1 Report Abuse He should be offended. The Republicans lied to make up this "scandal". All politics, all the time. Even in the face of American deaths. But, let's blame Obama, again! Republicans lie to Jonathan Karl and he runs with it. Major Garrett gets to the truth and so does Jake Tapper! "ABC News' Jonathan Karl's revelation of the White House's role in 12 revisions to the Benghazi talking points propelled the story, long percolating in conservative media, into a bona fide scandal. But then CNN's Jake Tapper's revelation of what the emails actually said revealed that to be a fake scandal. So who lied to Karl? While Karl's report implied that he was quoting actual emails between the State Department, the CIA, and the White House, they were actually summaries written by congressional staffers who were allowed to read and take notes on the emails earlier this year. Their notes were not transcripts. The summaries quoted deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes saying "the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department," when he actually wrote, "We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation." "Republicans leaked the email summaries, CBS News' Major Garrett reports. Given the way Karl's anonymous source justified the inaccurate summary in a subsequent email, that seems likely. The source said: "WH reply was after a long chain of email about State Dept concerns. So when WH emailer says, take into account all equities, he is talking about the State equities, since that is what the email chain was about." Who could that be? On February 15, the general counsel for the national intelligence director's office briefed the Senate Intelligence Committee, leadership, and staff on the emails, according to the Associated Press. On March 19, there was a similar briefing in the House. Karl reports that included the members of the House Intelligence Committee, their staff, and a senior aide to Speaker John Boehner. (Boehner was invited, but sent an aide instead.) That's a lot of people, though a lot less than all Republicans on Capitol Hill. It's 12 senators, plus the staffers who attended the meetings, and 12 representatives, plus Boehner's aide." Republicans create a fake scandal. I am shocked!
Weaslespit Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,964 Points:314,120 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 12:46:45 PM Ignore Weaslespit Report Abuse "I am thankful for this rescue, but I see by it that help could have been sent from the greatest nation on earth when Ambassador Stevens said there was danger there." What is it about "2 days earlier" (ie time to collect intel and develop a mission with a high probability of success/low casualty probability) and the covert nature of this rescue that you think applies to Benghazi?
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,894 Points:1,201,815 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 10:46:12 AM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse The difference between obama and Nixon is that obama will require "i am not a CROOK" on a teleprompter.
wbacon Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:13,430 Points:2,986,185 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:44:04 AM Ignore wbacon Report Abuse oF COURSE HE IS GREATLY OFFENDED kinda interesting that the irs scandal and the ap scandal erupted in time to take benghazi off of the front page......