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no1doc

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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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RNorm
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"But does that mean that they couldn't meet, with advisers, to discuss matters that are of mutual interest in the region? Iran and their nukes, for example. Or the Syrian civil war? Or the Islamic State and it's conditions? Or matters of defense hardware (which Israel helps develop with the US, by the way - consider the Iron Dome anti-missile system, for example)? There's plenty to discuss."


Sure there is...and helping Boehner violate the Logan Act isn't the best way for Benjamin to do his part and adhere to protocol, right?????
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 11:30:47 PM

RNorm said: "Again, it takes TWO to tango, and that street runs BOTH ways. Stop blaming Obama for what BOTH men are responsible for (i.e., they have a MUTUAL dislike for each other)...unless of course, you think that Benjamin can do no wrong"

--RNorm - did I say Netanyahu could do no wrong? Both men dislike each other. Great. But does that mean that they couldn't meet, with advisers, to discuss matters that are of mutual interest in the region? Iran and their nukes, for example. Or the Syrian civil war? Or the Islamic State and it's conditions? Or matters of defense hardware (which Israel helps develop with the US, by the way - consider the Iron Dome anti-missile system, for example)? There's plenty to discuss.

Of course, there is also the matter of why the Obama Administration continually criticizes Israel without giving criticism of equal weight against the Palestinians for their terrorist attacks. Obama doesn't mention that. Again, anti-semitism is the last socially acceptable prejudice, particularly among those on the hard left. It's deplorable.
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 7:02:02 PM

"It's not simply "mutual dislike". "

Actually it is:

Netanyahu ‘loathes’ Obama, Israel’s opposition leader charges


You (and others) just find it easier to blame it all on Obama...
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 6:14:49 PM

"Obama now won't meet with Netanyahu - an important world leader"

Again, it takes TWO to tango, and that street runs BOTH ways. Stop blaming Obama for what BOTH men are responsible for (i.e., they have a MUTUAL dislike for each other)...
....

Since his apology tour of the Islamic world, this president has been a cheerleader for Islam and for the most part a hardliner in dealing with Israel. That's the problem, and Bibi bears not responsibility for it. It's not simply "mutual dislike".
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Obama, "it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."
....

Bull Durham, the president has no such responsibility. But, he does have a responsibility to fight against Islamists lopping off American heads. He might ask Bibi for some guidance here. He'd also be a great resource for finding out how to keep jihadists out of our airlines. El Al has a great track record in that regard.
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Obama, speaking in Cairo, "I have come here to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world; one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect; and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles - principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings."
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This Islam sympathizer needs a history lesson. Promotion of justice, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings have never been Islamic principles.

Early in Obama's first term, the director of NASA said the president charged him with three things:

"One, he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science and engineering -- science, math and engineering."
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NASA's mission is space exploration, not making Muslims feel good about themselves.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 11:55:38 AM

"Obama now won't meet with Netanyahu - an important world leader"


Again, it takes TWO to tango, and that street runs BOTH ways. Stop blaming Obama for what BOTH men are responsible for (i.e., they have a MUTUAL dislike for each other)...unless of course, you think that Benjamin can do no wrong...
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 10:39:48 AM

"I'm surprised any Jewish Democrat supporters would have anything to do with Obama or the Dems."
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It's surprising that post 911 voters of all stripes have anything to do with an apologist for Islam.
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 10:31:58 AM

GTH, it didn't dawn on me that clown was your senator. You know exactly what I'm saying. Conservatives in Wisconsin have been fortunate as far as our national level representatives. The choices have been very clear. They're either flaming lefties or authentic conservatives. Have to feel sorry for our friends in the NE RINO country.

The GOP elites have to start realizing that real conservatives win elections. Reagan campaigned on a conservative agenda and he stuck with it after his election. He did what he said he would do. Scott Walker is another excellent example. The libs threw everything they had at him in his recall election and he won with a larger margin than he had in the general election. The GOP elites have to stop giving us Democrat light candidates.
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2015 1:33:51 AM

Obama now won't meet with Netanyahu - an important world leader. I'm surprised any Jewish Democrat supporters would have anything to do with Obama or the Dems. If they do, then they must realize they're supporting an anti-semite presiden, and a party that has anti-semitic overtones, to be sure.

I'd like our Jewish friends on these boards to consider this VERY carefully.
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 11:26:28 PM

no1doc: 'People with real convictions don't sell out. The late conservative writer Joe Sobran once remarked, quoting M. Stanton Evans,"The reason so few of our guys are in high places is because, by the time they get to be in high places, they're no longer our guys." That phenomenon seems to occur far more often with the GOP than with Democrats.'

Exactly, and that happens with the GOP and not so much with Democrats, because the GOP's principles are at odds with cultural elites, while Democratic "principles" are right in step with them.

"As we've seen with some GOP legislators, all it takes for them to flip flop on the definition of marriage is for a son to say, "Dad, I'm gay." There was never any real commitment, just lip service."

No doubt you refer to Rob Portman, Senator from Ohio. He not only went back on his stated principles for the benefit of his family, he did so without any apology or embarrassment. That's far worse than a lack of courage. I voted for him before, but thanks to his betrayal and lack of integrity, he will never again get my vote.

"They fear being maligned by the media and don't seem to know how to use power when they have it. As they've shown again in recent budget dealings."

And in backing down from bills protecting the unborn.

GTH
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 12:58:34 PM

GTH, " It's that they are far too willing to sell out their conservative convictions for the sake of power or (more accurately) the possibility of power. None of them have courage."
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People with real convictions don't sell out. The late conservative writer Joe Sobran once remarked, quoting M. Stanton Evans,"The reason so few of our guys are in high places is because, by the time they get to be in high places, they're no longer our guys." That phenomenon seems to occur far more often with the GOP than with Democrats.

As we've seen with some GOP legislators, all it takes for them to flip flop on the definition of marriage is for a son to say, "Dad, I'm gay." There was never any real commitment, just lip service.

They fear being maligned by the media and don't seem to know how to use power when they have it. As they've shown again in recent budget dealings.

BTW, Wilberforce was a member of Parliament and never gave up on moving that body to abolish slavery.

[Edited by: no1doc at 1/28/2015 1:04:18 PM EST]
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 12:26:36 PM

"Then we must keep hope alive!" Amen and Amen
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2015 2:29:05 AM

. "It's that they are far too willing to sell out their conservative convictions..."

Yes, some will do almost anything for a chance of parole.
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 4:55:58 PM

no1doc: "You're right about the GOP elites. Are there ANY conservatives among them? "

It's not that none of the elites (the major power brokers, donors, consultants as well as insider politicians) in the GOP are conservatives. It's that they are far too willing to sell out their conservative convictions for the sake of power or (more accurately) the possibility of power. None of them have courage.

There may be some among the current crop of GOP presidential hopefuls with the convictions but whether any of them will have courage when the going gets rough, remains to be seen. One who demonstrated he lacked that courage is Mitt Romney, who pulled his punches against Barack Obama in 2012, did not go on the offensive with his convictions, let Obama's campaign define him as a rich out-of-touch white guy; and as a result lost to an unpopular incumbent President.

I can think of one who likely has that courage -- Ben Carson -- but with a lack of political experience, he remains a long shot at best. Do any of the front runners have that courage? Stay tuned. Miracles can indeed happen.

(But William Wilberforce was, as I recall, a Christian minister in Britain, not a politician).

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 1/27/2015 4:56:58 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 12:29:35 PM

"Miracles still happen norm. I've seen posters "bury the hatchet". It's a beautiful thing."


Then we must keep hope alive!
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 12:21:15 PM

Miracles still happen norm. I've seen posters "bury the hatchet". It's a beautiful thing.
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"As you've pointed out in the past, the problem has been some of us "won't play nicely with others". More than once, it was surprising the mods didn't shut us down. I'm grateful they didn't."


Perhaps this time around, those of us who remain will strive to get along better, even if we don't agree on points...
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 11:49:43 AM

"I thought this topic died, but it got revived with one day to spare. Oh well. " "*ROTFL*!!!!!"
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The many rumors of the death of this topic have been exaggerated norm. As you've pointed out in the past, the problem has been some of us "won't play nicely with others". More than once, it was surprising the mods didn't shut us down. I'm grateful they didn't.
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 11:28:52 AM

"I'm afraid it's at least 20 years too late for that, if not longer."
Always good to hear from you GTH. You may be right but, hope springs eternal. One committed Christian leader can make the difference. Remember William Wilberforce? That type of leader isn't present on the national level today in either party.

You're right about the GOP elites. Are there ANY conservatives among them?

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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2015 11:18:56 AM

Glad I could give you a chuckle SE. Thanks for the set up; I don't get to tell that joke very often.
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 11:02:28 PM

"I thought this topic died, but it got revived with one day to spare. Oh well. "


*ROTFL*!!!!!
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 10:43:24 PM

"Stay in the Democrat party and return it to the party of JFK."

I'm afraid it's at least 20 years too late for that, if not longer. It was certainly too late when a stalwart Democratic governor, Bob Casey of Pennsylvania, was not allowed to speak at the 1996 Democratic convention, because he did not toe the new party line of supporting abortion rights instead of the right to life of the unborn.

And I'm not so sure that the Republican party will remain the party of Ronald Reagan. At this point, that's an open question. The candidates most likely to keep the GOP rooted in social values, are by no means a given to be nominated. The party elites are more fearful of the media than of the GOP base.

GTH
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 10:29:11 PM

Everyone has got to admit that Sin IS exciting to talk about!

LOL
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 7:02:41 PM

"I'm a little like that old lady when it comes to this topic."

LOL
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 6:11:24 PM

"I thought this topic died, but it got revived with one day to spare. Oh well."
...
An 80 year old spinster in the open confessional tells the new priest she slept with a man. He's a little taken aback and speechless, so he stumbles for words and asks, "When did it happen?" "About 50 years ago." she says. When asked why she brings it up now, she says,

"I like to talk about it."

I'm a little like that old lady when it comes to this topic.
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 5:47:07 PM

"...honestly don't know any democrats or at least we aren't aware of knowing any..."
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Around here many prefer to call themselves independent.
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 3:30:04 PM

I thought this topic died, but it got revived with one day to spare. Oh well.
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 1:56:56 PM

"Topic: Is it time for Christians to leave the Democrat Party???"

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Can't rightfully say one way or the other as we honestly don't know any democrats or at least we aren't aware of knowing any (very few democrats around here or at least admit to being one) but never much cared to associate with them either.

[Edited by: LibertyGuardian at 1/26/2015 2:02:32 PM EST]
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2015 12:22:50 PM

Stay in the Democrat party and return it to the party of JFK.
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2014 1:39:21 AM

"Dems lost 7 senate seats in the general election leaving a 17/17 split. Hall's switch makes it 18/16 Republican."

Hallelujah! That's all the GOP thinks it takes to get to their Heaven and only the powerful GOP majority make it there.

Hall walked so many miles to get to Charleston and ruined so many of his shoes: do you think he may have sold his sole on the way?
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 12:00:26 PM

November 7th, 2014 by WCBC Radio:

"I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me", state Senator Daniel Hall from West Virginia said after switching to the Republican side.

Senator's party switch gives Republicans control of WV senate for the first time in 80+ years.

Dems lost 7 senate seats in the general election leaving a 17/17 split. Hall's switch makes it 18/16 Republican.
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Passer, "The fact that you can't tell the difference between us proves you have much work to do..."

Ahhh, not only are they UNprejudiced, they are humor challenged.

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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2014 1:46:18 PM

"When you can get past your prejudice long enough to talk to me, let me know."

You will be waiting a very long time.
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2014 1:23:28 PM

"Ahhhhh yes, the UNprejudiced Passer and Iammeca!"

Good point, A1. Everyone is prejudiced to some degree. But if you read your bible, it puts a premium on "discernment"!

The fact that you can't tell the difference between us proves you have much work to do in that area and cheapens whatever conclusions you think you can come up with especially since you do not fully understand the details that lead up to your faulty conclusions.
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2014 12:48:12 AM



ROTFL

Ahhhhh yes, the UNprejudiced Passer and Iammeca!

That is rich!

ROTFL

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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2014 12:45:27 AM

"When you can get past your prejudice long enough to talk to me, let me know."

In Christian terms it seems the devil will be Saved, and his hell frozen over long before A1 gets past his prejudices, IammeCA.
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Passer, Barack W. Obama, Democrats and you are all one and the same.

Simple enough for you?

Or are you now running from W. Obama and Democrats and liberals?

If you are, maybe there is hope for you.

;-)

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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2014 12:01:21 AM

"Iammeca, it is SO HARD to tell one liberal from another!"

I realize that A1, judging from how it is so hard for you to distinguish the President from other...


Democrats,

yeah that's the ticket...










[Edited by: Passer at 11/8/2014 12:02:40 AM EST]
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"We must above all show charity to our enemies. By this you may know that a man is a true Christian, if he seeks to do good to those who wish him evil."

-- St. Alphonsus Liguori
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"Be assured that abuses are done away with by teaching rather than by commanding. If we make threats, let it be done sorrowfuly, in the words of Scripture, and in terms of the world to come. In this way it is not we who are feared because of our power, but God because of our words."

-- St Augustine
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ROTFLNorm: "And this is why the topic stalls and goes comatose -- people trying to make everything and every post personal, rather than discuss the issues/ideas made in a post."

But noooooooooooooo.... You'd NEVER do that, would you?

SMH

*ROTFL*

WAM!
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"In the full interview, she says they can have fried chicken after they vote."

Fried chicken IS soul food. So is mac & cheese, cornbread, collard greens, and fried okra.
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 2:43:13 PM

"As to my mission work and the reasons for my leaving. That is private, if it helps you to believe that it wasn't really Christian service and that I was never really a Christian go right ahead."


And this is why the topic stalls and goes comatose -- people trying to make everything and every post personal, rather than discuss the issues/ideas made in a post.
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 2:39:22 PM

For all you voters who actually think it's important to study a candidate's record and position on the issues, here's the First Lady's message for black voters on election day.
...

from the link: "... this isn’t about Barack. It’s not about the person on that ballot, it’s about you.”... “a Democratic ticket is the clear ticket that we should be voting on regardless of who said what or did this, that shouldn’t even come into the equation.”
...

She seems to be making the case for Rev. Jackson's OP statement,
"..they think we're stupid."

In the full interview, she says they can have fried chicken after they vote. In fairness to her, the host did set her up for that comment.
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 12:09:11 PM

"Iammeca, it is SO HARD to tell one liberal from another!"

That's twice in a row that you used that excuse. Not much use in talking to someone who only talks to "a liberal" and not to an individual. When you can get past your prejudice long enough to talk to me, let me know.


[Edited by: IammeCA at 11/3/2014 12:10:18 PM EST]
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reb - I always vote for the best candidate. I really pay no attention to the letter behind the name. However one should also look at the positions of the political party and see if their stated objectives and ideas and actions align with what you think is the proper way to do things.

FYI reb - "conservation" means wise use of resources. If a Prius does what you need done in terms of transportation then using the vehicle that is cost effective is a conservative decision. I used to drive small cars that got good mileage and were cheap to maintain until I needed a vehicle that can comfortably and safely tow a six ton RV. Then I bought the vehicle that best met those needs at the least cost - it happened to be a 3/4T DMax GMC 4X4 truck.
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Anotherone, all I meant was islam have missionaries...
Buddihist's have missionaries...

I had a sales manager that didn't want his sales people to try to be "missionaries" (sell new technology to people that were not interested in it)... Iammeca seems to not want to tell any additional details... so not worth discussing further... Flyboy, I think people should vote for the candidate... I personally am independent. of course I am conservative (though I drive a Prius).
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 11:50:12 AM



Iammeca, it is SO HARD to tell one liberal from another!

ROTFL

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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 11:41:04 AM

"Just like when you falsely claimed that my God is an "ANGRY GOD"!"

You must again be confusing me with someone else, as I have never said that.
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 11:39:23 AM

The most reasonable scene is the leaders of the Democrat party have abandoned the teaching of the Christian faith. Therefore the people who think them self followers of this set of beliefs should not continue to provide support for this party.

How can you say you believe one thing in church but act in a manner that is opposed to what you say you believe in church?

You who choose to call yourselves Christian but also profess to be Democrats do whatever it is you think best.
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Sorry, Iammeca, for unintentionally calling you Passer.

All you liberals look alike.

lol

"As to my mission work and the reasons for my leaving. That is private, if it helps you to believe that it wasn't really Christian service and that I was never really a Christian go right ahead."

I never said it wasn't as a Christian missionary.

I just asked you a simple question which would shed light on why you are now so anti-Christian.

But if you don't want to come clean with your biases, that is up to you.

And it is up to us to draw logical conclusions from that.

Simple enough?

Just like when you falsely claimed that my God is an "ANGRY GOD"!

ROTFL

My God is a loving and forgiving God.

He could even forgive you for what ever it is that you have done to so turn you off to His Love.

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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 11:27:19 AM

You might want to try to keep straight who you are talking about. I am not Passer. I never claimed not to be an atheist. Humanist/agnostic is probably closer but atheist will do. The technical term is apostate.

As to my mission work and the reasons for my leaving. That is private, if it helps you to believe that it wasn't really Christian service and that I was never really a Christian go right ahead.
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 11:07:42 AM



reb4, "Anotherone, there are missionary's that are not christian..."

BINGO!

I agree with you, reb4.

That is why I keep asking the question of Passer.

Passer said, "I realize that listening may not be a strong point to some, A1.

You are (again) mistaken if you think I am an atheist (I realize that you lump everyone you disagree with into the same evil bag that you destine to your hell, but thankfully, your world differs from reality in many ways).

So tell us Passer, which "god" is your god?

Sorry, Master Inquistior, He is not your angry god. So send me, gleefully to your hell, any trial (and Judgement) of yours has a predestined verdict and matters not what I say."

"I mentioned my mission work in response to Anotherones implication that I had never tried Christianity not as an attempt at justification through works. "

So Passer implies that he was a "Christian missionary" for 30 years and had "tried Christianity but that he is no longer a Christian and that Christians have an "angry God".

But like most liberal Democrats, he seems incapable of answering a simple question.

reb4, why is that? And why is Passer apparently unwilling or incapable to answer a simple question?

;-)



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 11/3/2014 11:09:10 AM EST]
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