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no1doc
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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reb4
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sgm4law, did you answer my questions???

And why would you think that the Democratic party platform was an official document?

It's a political document, is it not?


"The idea that a party would slavishly follow the unconstitutional behavior of the opposing party is something worth booing."

Sgm4law, that is funny comment... Since Obama did it according to the articles that I quoted... of course as you used one of the quotes that E.W. Jackson used, of Christians, those that Believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, Son of God, and Savior who sacrificed his life and paid the penalty of all the sins (be it lies / adultery / and even murder) if you confess and believe . Of course there is repentance involved.. David, who committed adultery, murder, and lied about it, was considered a man after God's own heart... why, one reason, was because he repented of his sins...
sorry, got carried away.... I wanted to include the comment from E.W. Jackson, who used the term "Slavish", which you used....

" It is time to end the slavish devotion to the Democrat Party. They have insulted us, used us, and manipulated us. They have saturated the black community with ridiculous lies. Unless we support the Democrat Party, we will be returned to slavery. We will be robbed of voting rights. The Martin Luther King holiday will be repealed. They think that we are stupid and that these lies will hold us captive, while they violate everything we believe as Christians."
And of course The reason Obama placed the changes to the platform was just to react with the Republican party calling them out on it.. It's not that the leaders of the democratic party really believed in that ... just that they wanted to counter the criticism they were taking...LOL
"Thou shalt not bear false witness"



The lies mount up, but the Christians defending the deceptions continue.... SMH
sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 8:42:01 PM

reb4, your quotes support my contention. The idea that a party would slavishly follow the unconstitutional behavior of the opposing party is something worth booing.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 8:29:43 PM

"I think this is quite a willful misunderstanding of what they were booing at the convention en masse."

Charitably put. I pointed this out earlier, with a link to snopes.com, not that it caused anyone to challenge their own preconceptions of what the booing was all about.




[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/4/2015 8:30:59 PM EST]
reb4
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"They were booing the concept of incorporating religion into official documents"



LOL, Sgm4law, It certainly was not the impression most people had...




The video is quite clear, they booed, and the boo's got louder at each vote...




Just curious Sgm4law, where did you ascertain that was the reason? Do you have some link you would like to provide?



And why would you think that the Democratic party platform was an official document? It's a political document, is it not?




Democrats change platform to add God, Jerusalem



"CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Needled by Mitt Romney and other Republicans, Democrats hurriedly rewrote their convention platform Wednesday to add a mention of God and declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel after President Barack Obama intervened to order the changes"


Further down, in the article:



"Obama intervened directly to get the language changed both on Jerusalem and to reinstate God in the platform, according to campaign officials who insisted on anonymity to describe behind-the-scenes party negotiations. They said Obama's reaction to the omission of God from the platform was to wonder why it was removed in the first place."



LOL I love this statement..




"Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., the party chairman, said both the God and Jerusalem omissions were "essentially a technical oversight." She insisted in a CNN interview there had been no discord on the floor and said the vote definitely met the two-thirds threshold."


From the voice count, the nays were definitely louder then the ayes...




SMH



[Edited by: reb4 at 3/4/2015 8:33:06 PM EST]
mexicomaria
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When one party does not honor life, you have about hit the base of all crimes...if you do not respect life, you will not respect any lesser need.
I am just plain mortified by that lack of care for the incapable of defending themselves human. We actually feel we know what is best for the living....and when they are worthy of life. Remember, somewhere in the world, you are not worthy of life. We are talking out the back side of our head if we stay, "oh, let's feed all, and cloth all, but first if we find them of no value by our own definition....let us kill them. We are not animals, we are humans. I can not vote democratic because of a lack of respect for life....of what some consider lesser humans.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 6:30:03 PM

sgm, well said!
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"A party in mass wanted to take God out of their party statement....that to me sends me to another party."

I think this is quite a willful misunderstanding of what they were booing at the convention en masse.

They were booing the concept of incorporating religion into official documents, when our country was founded on religious freedom. Everyone is free to worship the God they believe in. Worship of God does not belong in the text of political documents, especially not particular creeds. That does not make the Democrats the party of atheism. It is the party of religious freedom.

And to go further, that does not mean that anyone who is a Democrat may not involve God in their decisions and acts. Of course they do! It just means that an inclusive party does not exclude others who do not agree on religious statements by forcing dogma of one type or another on their fellow Americans.
RNorm
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"And it's neither sinful nor hypocritical not to shine a light on the individual failings of others while rejecting certain immoral principles promoted by an entire group. That's what our Lord did. We should all do the same."


If you are saying that when a person sins, regardless of what party they belong to, that no one should have anything to say about that, then you are greatly misconstruing the message of the Bible, because it says the complete opposite in numerous places. In fact, John the Baptist was eventually beheaded for calling out Herod, who had married his brother's wife. Moroever, Jesus didn't ignore the sins of the scribes, pharisees and the like, nor did he ignore the sins of the individual either (see the woman at the well, among others)...

Sounds like you have some selective reading going on there.
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"You refuse to criticize the purposeful anti-Christian principles of the Democrat Party and instead throw up a smokescreen of individual GOP members that fail in their personal lives to live up to the stated principles of their Party."

No, I've stated my position on abortion and same-sex marriage, so I don't need to repeat that every day (like some here). Moreover, you and others seem to think that as long as the GOP isn't "booing God" then whatever else they do as a party is ok; whether it be trying to weaken the voting rights amendment, make life easier for the rich, but harder for the poor, or whatever, as long as their platform says "God", then whatever ungodly things happen in their party are overlooked, because they're operating under that blanked of "God's Own Party"...

Not to mention, that you, as well as others, are QUICK to jump on the personal failings of ANY democrat, but woefully silent when there's a republican guilty of the same thing.

Kinda duplicitous there...
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MM, "I thought, norm, we were talking about a Party and not a person.
...

"Norm, "No, Maria, Doc made it quite clear that we were talking about a person(s):

doc, "Regardless of party identification, shouldn't a Christian vote for candidates whose voting record is in line with Christian values? And don't compromise."
...

No Norm. My statement clearly refers to a candidate's voting record and not to a person. Maria is correct. There are only two short sentences in that statement and the "don't compromise" refers to voting for a candidate whose voting record in not in line with Christian values.
...
That statement in completely nonpartisan but, rather than answer that question generically, as it was posed, you zero in on another Republican sinner, by name, as you've done many times before.
...

Norm,"Its also no surprise that you can't address my question, which is why I reposted it and am waiting for Doc to answer the question instead of repeatedly bringing up irrelevant points and non-sequitors in an effort to side-step a simple question."
...

I haven't brought up any irrelevant points or non-sequitors and haven't side stepped your question. I only posed another generic, non-partisan question.

I didn't ask,"So when Christian democrats repeatedly elect a known (insert sinful status here), say like (sinner's name), to office, are they compromising and putting party politics before their Christian values???"
...

But, getting back to your question, I'll let Panama go first. This might actually help us get back to the OP:
...
...
Panama responding to Norm, "Both Parties have plenty of individuals in them that fall well short of expectations, and even legality, but there is a vast difference between individual failures and the purposeful aims of the Party.

You refuse to criticize the purposeful anti-Christian principles of the Democrat Party and instead throw up a smokescreen of individual GOP members that fail in their personal lives to live up to the stated principles of their Party.

The differences in the stated principles of the Parties is the subject of this discussion, not your bobbing and weaving to avoid criticizing the immoral principles of the Party you have said that you support."
.................

doc, "Exactly. Christians are called to reject sin, not to point fingers at the personal failings of individuals. Jesus attacked the corporate vices and bad examples of groups. He avoided offensive personal remarks. As Christians, we're to do the same. Jackson is doing just that in pointing out the Democrats promotion of unbiblical and immoral principles which they would have become the law of the land, affecting all of us.

Every political party is made up entirely of sinners, including all registered independents. So there's never a need to point out the shortcomings of any individual. We all have them.

But, it's a sin to promote sinful behavior and that is what the Democratic Party is doing, as Jackson has pointed out. That promotion of sin should be condemned by all Christians. And it's neither sinful nor hypocritical not to shine a light on the individual failings of others while rejecting certain immoral principles promoted by an entire group. That's what our Lord did. We should all do the same.

And we don't have to be perfect ourselves to do it, and nobody should be demonized for doing so. What kind of a country do we want our grandkids to inherit? That's the real question."



[Edited by: no1doc at 3/4/2015 3:58:44 PM EST]
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"So then you are justifying booing God, and Israel? by saying the other parties do some stuff wrong also."


I'm justifying nothing.

I'm just pointing out how you keep bringing up "booing God" when its not even relevant to the question I asked (no surprise there).

Its also no surprise that you can't address my question, which is why I reposted it and am waiting for Doc to answer the question instead of repeatedly bringing up irrelevant points and non-sequitors in an effort to side-step a simple question.

Have a nice day.
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mexicomaria, "So then you are justifying booing God, and Israel? by saying the other parties do some stuff wrong also.

The other parties do not support late term abortions...they do not boo God.

A party in mass wanted to take God out of their party statement....that to me sends me to another party."

Good one, maria!

Isn't it just stunning to see what MTMarty and the progressive libs endorse and excuse?

SMH

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So then you are justifying booing God, and Israel? by saying the other parties do some stuff wrong also.

The other parties do not support late term abortions...they do not boo God.

A party in mass wanted to take God out of their party statement....that to me sends me to another party.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 12:32:19 PM

Are parties people too?
RNorm
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"I thought, norm, we were talking about a Party and not a person."


No, Maria, Doc made it quite clear that we were talking about a person(s):

""Regardless of party identification, shouldn't a Christian vote for candidates whose voting record is in line with Christian values? And don't compromise.""





"If you have seen the Republican Party boo God, bring it up here."

So basically, as long as they don't "boo God" then whatever else they do is ok?

That's like saying as long as you're not a murderer, but only commit adultery, or tell "white" lies, or only stole a little bit, you're ok.

Um, maybe that's ok for you, but not for me.

[Edited by: RNorm at 3/4/2015 12:36:30 PM EST]
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"I'll answer you after you answer this question. Can a Christian (or if you like, anyone, marital fidelity isn't just a Christian issue) support a known adulterer for/in elected office?"


Sure you can; but before you do, you need to know is it a one-time thing that he learned from and hasn't repeated or is it a pattern of behavior -- for that makes a difference.

You do know that foreign agents look for people in key positions that are vulnerable to adultery because its easier to compromise them and then use their compromised position to gain information they would not otherwise have access to. This is what happened with David Petraeus, who just pled guilty to doing just that.

I brought up Vitter because it was known that he slept with prostitutes even BEFORE he was elected to the senate, denied those charges, won election to the senate, was caught up in yet another prostitute scandal, and won re-election to the senate once again.

So it would seem that in Bible Belt Louisiana, it doesn't matter that the person many christians are voting for doesn't share the Christian value of fidelity in marriage. Because again, you said "And don't compromise." So it seems repeatedly voting for a serial adulterer is compromising indeed.

[Edited by: RNorm at 3/4/2015 12:21:36 PM EST]
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doc,"Regardless of party identification, shouldn't a Christian vote for candidates whose voting record is in line with Christian values? And don't compromise.
...
"Norm, "So when Christian republicans repeatedly elect a known adulterer, say like David Vitter, to office, are they compromising and putting party politics before their Christian values???"
....

I'll answer you after you answer this question. Can a Christian (or if you like, anyone, marital fidelity isn't just a Christian issue) support a known adulterer for/in elected office?

[Edited by: no1doc at 3/4/2015 12:03:37 PM EST]
mexicomaria
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I thought, norm, we were talking about a Party and not a person.

Remember it was the Democratic National Convention that booed God and Israel, see video below.

It is a Party en total Or as a unit that booed God. That is distasteful to me. Every single person we vote for still sins...just as you, just as me...but Christians who love our Savior never boo Him as a group.

NOw, if you know any Senator that is without sin....bring him up here.

If you have seen the Republican Party boo God, bring it up here.Sgm...that was a very nice article...thoughtful. I am not saying I am in agreement with all she said but I believe she is my sister.

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 3/4/2015 11:42:05 AM EST]
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So when Christian republicans repeatedly elect a known adulterer, say like David Vitter, to office, are they compromising and putting party politics before their Christian values???

2nd request.
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I doubt she is saying this as a first move towards the GOP. A liberal "comes out" as a Christian.
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Oh,no reb....remember, to one democrat that is in GB; lying is satire. First time I have ever heard that. I Hcw heard, "I misspoke", or we lost the emails, or it was a video, or it was two guys in the Cincinnati office of the IRS; but never had I heard lying called "satire."

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 3/3/2015 10:59:02 PM EST]
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Thou shalt not bear false witness
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"Regardless of party identification, shouldn't a Christian vote for candidates whose voting record is in line with Christian values? And don't compromise."of course, no1doc... Which is what the message from E.W. Jackson was communicating...

As to the democrats booing the addition to the party platform, which has been the Presidents bible for his political decisions.... here is a video:

Jerusalem And God Vote Gets Booed At Dem ConventionI personally think it was a faction of the delegates that were not to keen in adding God and Jerusalem being the capital of Israel... to the party platform.... even though it was clearly something that Obama wanted added...




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" So am I to deduce that the Democratic party does not love God because they bood him at the Democratic Convention..."


How about when Christian republicans lie?

Thou shalt not bear false witness

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/3/2015 2:06:08 PM EST]
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"You seem to forget that we all sin but I do not hear those who love God boo him. So am I to deduce that the Democratic party does not love God because they bood him at the Democratic Convention..."


What?

That doesn't even touch the simple question I asked.

Try again.
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You seem to forget that we all sin but I do not hear those who love God boo him. So am I to deduce that the Democratic party does not love God because they bood him at the Democratic Convention...

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"Regardless of party identification, shouldn't a Christian vote for candidates whose voting record is in line with Christian values? And don't compromise."


So when Christian republicans repeatedly elect a known adulterer, say like David Vitter, to office, are they compromising and putting party politics before their Christian values???

[Edited by: RNorm at 3/3/2015 11:38:33 AM EST]
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Followup on Rudy's comments: Facebook suspends black middle schooler’s account after slamming Obama

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EZ,"The gist of this thread seems to me that the democratic platform is adopting some unchristian principles, that counter Christian beliefs, that one would think would drive Christians towards some other political party, or even towards that of an independent."

Reb, "Personally, I believe a true follower should be independent...

but I know others that want to partake in one organization or the other and try to offer an influence to the party they choose.."
....

Regardless of party identification, shouldn't a Christian vote for candidates whose voting record is in line with Christian values? And don't compromise.
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PiqueOil was opposed to war in Iraq.

But now in hindsight she wants Reagan to go to war in Iraq.

Nice consistency from the left, isn't it?

ROTFL

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"Unaware of that history Pique."


There are many things that Reagan did that conservatives today say they were unaware of...even though these things are well known history.

And at the same time, conservatives say liberal are ignorant of history and have a mental disease?? (yes, that's been said on these forums, INCLUDING this one and not one conservative would say anything about such petty and personal attacks).

SMH
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Unaware of that history Pique. Thanks. Looks like since Saddam was at war with Iran Reagan turned a blind eye. That's a sorry excuse, which Bush 41 didn't have. At least the UN condemned the gassing.
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The accuracy of the pigeon holing
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no1,

If you look at this timeline, it appears Ronald Reagan was the U.S. president dropping that particular ball.
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"Come on Norm. The pigeon holing comes from both sides."

LOL, not really...





"It's the accuracy that's up for discussion."

The accuracy of what exactly?
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Come on Norm. The pigeon holing comes from both sides. It's the accuracy that's up for discussion.
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PiqueOil, "to tell the world about the Muslim in the White House."

So now YOU are claiming that NObama is a muslim.

Duly noted.

No one else has been saying that other than YOU!

SMH

ROTFL

Thanks for informing the rest of us unedumacated and telling us that NObama is a muslim.

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"Getting flak - must have been over the target.


Funny how you just can't say that people on your side of the aisle have continually determined who is and who isn't a Christian in THIS thread...

Can't say that I'm really surprised tho...

And that's no flack...
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Thanks Pique. Glad to be able to agree with you both:

Pique: "The administration should have referred to the victims as Coptic Christians who were killed because of their religious beliefs."

Norm: "It makes a difference to the Coptics because they've been persecuted for the duration of their existence. It makes a difference to the global Christian community because they were murdered for their faith. It makes a difference to ISIS because in addition to hating everyone in general, they REALLY hate Christians (of ANY denomination). "
........

Speaking of Christian persecution, Bush Sr., and the rest of the world, really dropped the ball when Saddam was gassing Kurds in Northern Iraq.

With the Kurdish exception in Iraq, it's ironic that the Orthodox Christians were safer when Saddam and Gaddafi were in power. Never heard of their churches being blown up back then. No mass beheadings under their watch.

I haven't yet seen the piece that PBS did on the Armenian genocide in Turkey during WWI.



[Edited by: no1doc at 2/28/2015 1:59:52 PM EST]
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no1, you can find that topic and thread here.
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Speaking of who's a Christian, maybe you guys can answer this: When Muslims behead 21 Christians, why don't you call them Christians? Watch the video.

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Yes, no1, you are among the brave who take to the skies to defend Republicans asked by the dreaded MSM to comment about the remarks of other Republicans.

It many ways, the MSM presents the perfect opportunity for courageous Republicans to use that straight talk they are so famous for to tell the world about the Muslim in the White House. Instead, they mutter and mumble insinuations rather than speaking loudly and boldly on a subject where no sane person has gone before.
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PiqueOil, "After all, a main purpose of religion is to serve as a means of putting into proper context a person's Jesus-endorsed hatred of liberals."

ROTFL

Spoken like someone who either truly knows NOTHING about Christianity or is so filled with jaundice and hatred of Christians that they cannot see straight.

Too funny!

ROTFL

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Getting flak - must have been over the target.
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"They know answering that question is a lose lose proposition for Republicans. That's why they ask it."

Amen. It's just not fair to ask Republicans to comment about Republicans who question the president's faith. Darn it all.

Better to invoke the spittle-flying invective of E.W. Jackson, who shouts that Democrats are "anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life." Now that's a fair and balanced accusation. After all, a main purpose of religion is to serve as a means of putting into proper context a person's Jesus-endorsed hatred of liberals.
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2015 10:28:19 AM

"They know answering that question is a lose lose proposition for Republicans."

What an odd thing to say about God's Own Party.


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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2015 10:23:46 AM

"I don't buy that for a minute."


But yet, its been done here in this thread, numerous times, and I don't recall you or any other conservative speaking against it.
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2015 9:57:11 AM

"And it is simply not the role of a Christian layman to publicly dispute the self-identification of other Christians, especially in a political context."
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I don't buy that for a minute.

But for those that do, take it up with the MSM reporters setting up GOP candidates by continually posing the question to them. Their only purpose is to gin up fodder for attacking would be GOP candidates. They know answering that question is a lose lose proposition for Republicans. That's why they ask it.
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 12:38:33 PM

"The gist of this thread seems to me that the democratic platform is adopting some unchristian principles, that counter Christian beliefs, that one would think would drive Christians towards some other political party, or even towards that of an independent."



Personally, I believe a true follower should be independent...

but I know others that want to partake in one organization or the other and try to offer an influence to the party they choose..



[Edited by: reb4 at 2/27/2015 12:39:36 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 12:37:03 PM

"or even towards that of an independent"


Bingo and Boom...and here I stand.
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2015 12:34:05 PM

"And it is simply not the role of a Christian layman to publicly dispute the self-identification of other Christians, especially in a political context."



The only one that knows if a person is a Christian is God, and possibly that person.

At least that's my opinion.


I've met many a person that have confessed they were not a true believer after years of saying and thinking they were one... I personally was skeptical of this topic when it 1st showed up originally in the Christian Category, and even later when it was moved by the mods as a result of a poster that asked it to be moved to the politics section... (God IS Soverign and IS in control).


There has been many a "run" on this topic to try to make it something that it was not intended to be.... But the message that Bishop E.W. Jackson said was clear...

THis is not about Republican party... or Tea Party, or any other organization other than those that claim to be "Christians".




Wonderful Peter when asked by Jesus if he also wanted to leave him answered:

"“Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.” (NIV 6:68-69)





[Edited by: reb4 at 2/27/2015 12:36:29 PM EST]
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