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no1doc

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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 4:53:23 PM

MM, "A state endorsement of God's Word is the penultimate in grotesque."
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Why do you say that? And why is it the penultimate rather the ultimate? What do you consider the ultimate in grotesque?
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 4:39:30 PM

You praise the Lord that more Republicans agree with you but, you started the Bible symbol topic with the suggestion that it might be time to leave the GOP, at least in Tennessee. No need to explain. I'll praise God regardless of who agrees with me.





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timothyu
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 2:16:42 PM


Realistically it doesn't belong to them either. They buy the privilege of printing it.
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 1:59:51 PM



timothyu, "How can money be stolen from the people when it belongs to the government in the first place?"

ROTFLOL

There you have it folks!

The true core beliefs of liberals.

That's not your money!

You didn't build that!

That's the government's money that you have in your pocket and your piggy bank!

"Give us OUR money back", said liberal government bureaucrats!

What more proof do we need of what liberals really think and why they act in the despicable anti-American ways they do?

SMH

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timothyu
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 12:45:49 PM

'A state endorsement of God's Word is the penultimate in grotesque.'

Agreed. Pure vanity and a power play. How can a worldly institution guaranteed by traditional ideals to never act as a result of repentance, endorse that which is opposite in nature. That would be like North Korea endorsing the American Constitution.
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 12:38:42 PM

'The Bible doesn't need any help from the state to be symbolic or sacred.'

Now, as in Constantine's time, the state uses religion when convenient for it's own worldly purposes and gain, but unfortunately also as in Constantine's time, the church whored itself to the state for the same reasons.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 12:34:19 PM

A state endorsement of God's Word is the penultimate in grotesque.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 9:34:28 AM

"Adding the Bible to a list of state symbols presents no danger whatsoever to the Republic or to the Church. Suggesting otherwise is nothing more than fear mongering and an appeal to emotion. That's pure baloney. And baloney is still baloney no matter how thinly you slice it. "


Well, it looks as if there were more republicans that agreed with me and didn't buy that baloney, and I praise the Lord for that. Again:

“anytime the state has gotten tied in with the church, it hasn't ended well for the church."

The Bible doesn't need any help from the state to be symbolic or sacred.

So we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 8:54:34 AM

"Naming the tomato the Tennessee state fruit didn't force tomatoes on anyone. Don't like 'em? Don't buy 'em, eat 'em, sell 'em, or grow 'em. No need to change your life. They named the square dance their state dance. You can still polka, waltz or, don't dance at all. You're not being pressured to do anything.

Naming a Harry Potter book the state book isn't forcing that book or sorcery on anyone. "
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Thankfully, there were many Tennessee republicans who, like me, saw the danger in such a move and disagreed with you:
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Adding the Bible to a list of state symbols presents no danger whatsoever to the Republic or to the Church. Suggesting otherwise is nothing more than fear mongering and an appeal to emotion. That's pure baloney. And baloney is still baloney no matter how thinly you slice it. The Constitution is silent on state symbols but, it does say that un-enumerated powers are reserved for state and the people.


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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 8:08:44 PM

Romans 13: 1-7
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timothyu
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 8:03:32 PM

Is the best interest of the people the principle behind government? How can money be stolen from the people when it belongs to the government in the first place?

[Edited by: timothyu at 4/25/2015 8:05:16 PM EST]
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timothyu, I will ask you the same question I asked MTMarty....

" where in your Bible does it say that it is up to the government to take care of the poor by stealing money from other people?!"

Let's see which one of you will be honest enough to answer first.

Or if both of you will try to spin what the Bible says.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 7:34:54 PM

"Naming the tomato the Tennessee state fruit didn't force tomatoes on anyone. Don't like 'em? Don't buy 'em, eat 'em, sell 'em, or grow 'em. No need to change your life. They named the square dance their state dance. You can still polka, waltz or, don't dance at all. You're not being pressured to do anything.

Naming a Harry Potter book the state book isn't forcing that book or sorcery on anyone. "


Thankfully, there were many Tennessee republicans who, like me, saw the danger in such a move and disagreed with you:

""It is unconstitutional and I believe it really diminishes what I believe are the holy Scriptures," House Speaker Beth Harwell, R-Nashville, told the AP. "I believe the sponsor of the bill is very sincere in what he's attempting to do, it's just not something I would personally support.""

""Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam opposes the Bible bill. Even though he said, “My faith is the most important thing in my life to me," Haslam noted to the AP that, “anytime the state has gotten tied in with the church, it hasn't ended well for the church.""


Others felt the "Official State Book" designation undermined the sanctity of the Bible itself.
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timothyu
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 7:34:45 PM


Is not government a tool to fulfill our will? Or has it's role changed back once again to represent the rich and powerful alone as throughout history. Sounds like one worldly ruler was abandoned for another.
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MTMarty, where in your Bible does it say that it is up to the government to take care of the poor by stealing money from other people?!

What kind of Bible do you read, anyway?

My Bible tells me that it is MY responsibility.

And YOUR responsibility.

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 7:04:46 PM

If Christians don't stand up for the poor, the homeless, the destitute, the sick, and the needy, who will? They also have no lobby, they seldom vote, and they have no PAC. There's a war (not yet fought with conventional weapons) on the poor and the needy and the sick and the homeless in this country and politicians can cut the benefits of those groups of people and be applauded for doing so. To our eternal shame.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 4/25/2015 7:05:31 PM EST]
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timothyu
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 6:33:37 PM


The question is not whether Christianity should be in the world but rather should the world be in Christianity.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 6:19:43 PM

Wow, this is close to being my new favorite topic!

I treat my Christianity (which is not my religion but my relationship with Jesus Christ) and politics the same as when I was serving in the US Air Force for almost 23 years...God first, then family, then country. So, now, politics is third but, in reality, not too much because much of what we have in America is pretty disheartening. (And I'm talking about the majority of all National politicians...all "parties" do some very unchristian things, imho.) I don't care who you are, if the $18 Trillion debt isn't shocking, then you're not paying attention. (And we pay over $200 Billion a year just on interest alone.)

If Christians don't stand up for the unborn baby, who will? They have no lobby, they don't vote, they have no PAC, and the fact is that 50% of ALL pregnancies in the USA end up with a dead baby. (And the #1 reason is for "convenience".) There's a war on babies in this country and, in Colorado, you can cut an unborn baby out of a pregnant lady and have NO charges brought against you concerning the baby! (True story...to our great shame in Colorado.)
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 6:01:56 PM

Naming the tomato the Tennessee state fruit didn't force tomatoes on anyone. Don't like 'em? Don't buy 'em, eat 'em, sell 'em, or grow 'em. No need to change your life. They named the square dance their state dance. You can still polka, waltz or, don't dance at all. You're not being pressured to do anything.

Naming a Harry Potter book the state book isn't forcing that book or sorcery on anyone.



[Edited by: no1doc at 4/25/2015 6:03:15 PM EST]
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 3:55:01 PM

Very good post no1doc....and norm. I agree completely.
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"We didn't become a theocracy by acknowledging our Creator as the source of unalienable Rights, by acknowledging we are one nation "under God", or having In God We Trust on our currency."


No, we move towards a theocracy when christians try to make christianity the state religion.

You can give that a free pass, but I don't. God didn't force me to serve him, I came to him of my own free will, as it should be with ANYBODY.

Again, people are free to serve God and are equally free to reject him.

Its too bad you simply can't say that and give free passes to people who try to force the bible on others.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2015 3:19:49 PM

Trying to make the Bible the official book of any state in this country is:

(1) Unbiblical (as God doesn't force you to serve him);
(2) Unamerican (as this is not a theocracy but a democratic republic); and
(3) Unconstitutional (as the constitution expressly prohibits the creation of a state religion).
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There's nothing "Unbiblical" in acknowledging the word of God. The proposal doesn't force anyone to serve God, or serve anyone or serve anything.

If the proposal were to pass, all that happens is the word Bible is added to the state's "Blue Book" (that's what we call it in Wisconsin) - which most people will never read anyway. That's the end of it; no one is forced to do anything. Proposing to name the Bible as a state's official book is no more "Unamerican" than having In God We Trust on our currency.

We didn't become a theocracy by acknowledging our Creator as the source of unalienable Rights, by acknowledging we are one nation "under God", or having In God We Trust on our currency.

If the proposal had been accepted the only new development it would bring would be a suit from the ACLU. That's the only thing anybody would notice. Nothing else would be changed. I'm completely indifferent to the proposal. Seems a peculiar issue to get so excited about.

[Edited by: no1doc at 4/25/2015 3:27:22 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2015 5:49:05 PM

norm.....To that I say, AMEN! Ready to sing now.

Coming to San Bernie to sing with you.

When we were called a "peculiar people" .....we are truly that. (-; God's elect are a peculiar people, to whom he bears a peculiar love;

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:" 1 Peter 2:9


[Edited by: mexicomaria at 4/24/2015 5:56:14 PM EST]
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"Unclear how the previous post is pertinent to this topic. "

Awww come on Marty.... HRC is the present only person running under the Democrat banner for president. Then she is seen on video saying that people will have to give up their beliefs, that are based on a profound Christian belief, in order to live the Democrat lifestyle.

Didnt someone once say to "suffer the little children to come to me". Kinda hard to do when your busy killing them before they are born wouldnt you say. Really hard to support a part or political ideology that says to join us you have to give up your Christian beliefs.

Given a choice will you remain a supporter of liberal ideas and Democrat politicians or will you live a Christian lifestyle?
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"Let's clarify what my statement was actually averring. It was the existence of Christians who believe or don't believe that statement. Not the truth of the statement, but the fact that there are Christians who are not united with you in that belief."


You're right; I can't be united with folks like that. Why? Read on:

If you don't believe that the Bible is God's infallible word, then you are suggesting that God makes mistakes.

If you're suggesting that God makes mistakes, then you're suggesting that God can lie.

If you're suggesting that God can lie, then you're suggesting that the atoning sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary could be insufficient to absolve sins once and for all.

If you're suggesting that God's grace through Christ is insufficient absolution for your sins, then you have no covering for your sins.

If you're suggesting that you have no covering for your sins, then you are not a Christian and are hopelessly lost for all time.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2015 2:54:17 PM

"We'll just have to agree to disagree."

Let's clarify what my statement was actually averring. It was the existence of Christians who believe or don't believe that statement. Not the truth of the statement, but the fact that there are Christians who are not united with you in that belief.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2015 2:23:48 PM

"Well, I know y'all don't think I can say anything on this topic because I'm not currently a Christian"

Whether I agree on the point or not, I ALWAYS appreciate your input and perspective.






"but as someone who was raised to be one, and who knows many--this statement is not true."

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Are there mistakes in the Bible? Sure there are. But the belief that the Bible is the infallible Word of God is based on the premise that over time, copyist errors have made their way into the Bible, but nevertheless, in the original (which we do not possess), the veracity of scripture holds true. That is what I base MY belief in the infallibility of scripture on; and whether or not others belief the same doesn't shake my faith in what I believe.




[Edited by: RNorm at 4/24/2015 2:25:15 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2015 2:23:28 PM

Website seems to be trippin hard today. See corrected post above...

[Edited by: RNorm at 4/24/2015 2:26:38 PM EST]
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That some disbelieve the Bible casts doubt on them, not on God's Word.




" I used to argue with them that this meant that they weren't really Christian--but they insisted that they were."

They were delusional.


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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2015 1:53:06 PM

"The Bible is the infallible Word of God."

Well, I know y'all don't think I can say anything on this topic because I'm not currently a Christian, but as someone who was raised to be one, and who knows many--this statement is not true. I have known many "liberal" Christians who do not believe the Bible to be the infallible word of God. I know, I used to argue with them that this meant that they weren't really Christian--but they insisted that they were.
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"Which issues unite Christians? I didn't ask, and am not asking, which issues you "feel" "should" unite us."

There are many, but I'll list the top 6:

1. Jesus Christ is Lord.
2. The Bible is the infallible Word of God.
3. All are sinners.
4. Any can be saved by God's Grace through Jesus Christ.
5. The Gospel should be preached to all nations.
6. There will be a resurrection of the just and the unjust.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2015 11:12:23 AM

Unclear how the previous post is pertinent to this topic.
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Well it seems HRC is now going to dispose of the pope in matters of faith. I wonder if she is gonna next tell God himself to get out of the throne so she can sit in it.
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Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton took a feminist tone on Thursday. She told attendees at the sixth annual Women in The World Summit that “deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed” for the sake of giving women access to “reproductive health care and safe childbirth.”<<<
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So the ten commandments mean what she says they do. More of that "it depends on what 'is' is" you know.

No HilLIARy - I will not change my religious beliefs and aversion to murder to suit your political ambitions.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2015 10:43:21 AM

"There really doesn't seem to be any particular issue that unites Christians."There are several, but when you put politics above the gospel, those issues get lost in the political blowback.
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Which issues unite Christians? I didn't ask, and am not asking, which issues you "feel" "should" unite us.
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You're welcome. Asking questions is the way most folks learn.
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 6:41:06 PM

marty, thanks for the explanation.
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"Would Jesus partake is such name calling?"

Those He called out were the church leaders of His time--those who thought themselves to be righteous because of their strict adherence to the letter of the law. Christ taught that obedience to the law involved more than just the outward show which anyone could display. Obedience came from within... from the heart... that God's children obey the law because they WANT to.

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jayrad, "I asked earlier, would name calling be something Jesus would do?"

Well, jayrad, the simple answer may be 'yes'.

Jesus called the Pharisees "you snakes, you brood of vipers" and "white washed sepulchres".

SO the answer is yes.

"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean."

You might want to learn before you ask the question.

;-)

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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 5:47:42 PM

Very nice post, norm.

I do think that before I was a Christian, I mixed what I thought Christianity was, with religion. I mean I am religious about brushing my teeth... It was so easy to look at a Christian, who was not perfect, and say, "if I have to be like that, I do not want to be a Christian. I mixed humans, thinking if they said they were a Christian, wow, Christ can't be too nice. hahahah Now, I had no understanding of the Holy Spirit, none. Mumbo jumbo to me. It is someone who didn't go to Vietnam (I know this is not a good likeness but I am trying to explain best I can) and then thinking they have a clue about Vietnam. That of course is a very light likeness to being in Christ.

Enough about me............. I do know that God is a God of His word.... I am the recipient of learning that, I seem to learn the hard way. hahahahahah .....

Now, I must say here that God certainly has an amazing sense of humor, I could say I am evidence of that...(-; but, it marvels me every day that he saw fit to use someone to move this topic out of the Christian forum and move it to the Political Forum. But, then there are times God has given me some belly laughs, other times he has, "filled me with Joy and Gladness and let the bones thou has broken rejoice" Psalm 51:8

I should be doin' some down home rejoicing as I have gotten plenty of "broken bones" while God is teaching me up.

Anyway.....love to you all.
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Then the question becomes, why do people who are clueless about what the Bible teaches try to pontificate on what the Bible is saying?

Personally, try to render solid opinions on and of what I know.

Because I have a rudimentary understanding of physics, I do not try to claim to be more knowledgeable than a physicist.

Because I have a basic knowledge of biology and chemistry, I do not try and claim to be more knowledgeable than a molecular biologist.

But I DO have a deep and rich knowledge of the bible AND have been illuminated by the Holy Spirit, so I will share my opinions and perspectives on the Bible and will also say that they do hold more weight than those who reject the Bible as God's word...

[Edited by: RNorm at 4/23/2015 5:08:49 PM EST]
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Ok, one more definition...(-; It is people who do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit who try to explain spiritual matters, or what the Bible says. I have to tell you when I was an atheist, I believed that the Bible was full of love, flowers, sweetness and gentleness. When I became a Christ one I was shocked to learn their was killing, crucifying, liars dying immediately, nails, whips, and Jesus driving folks out of the temple. I surely never heard a that is not my goodness that saved me, and believe me I worked hard at being good.

Sooooooooooooo, it is not just the frequency of reading the Bible, as I have met special need children who understand the love of Christ. It is your heart relationship with Christ.

.......and there are many verses of the wrath of God, the anger of Christ...the Temple is one.

And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. Matthew 21:12

Mark 11:15
On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves,

Luke 19:45
When Jesus entered the temple courts, he began to drive out those who were selling.John 2:14
In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money.

John 2:15
So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

John 2:16
To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father's house into a market!"

There are plenty of incidence of the wrath of God in the Bible. The amazing thing to me is that Jesus died for me when I was really nothing but smug about him, when I didn't believe in him, when I actually knew nothing about him, really. So great a love that stepped in for my sin, and died in my stead. What is that? Amazing...amazing. That he would step up to die for me. That love is amazing...but, understanding of God's wrath or love does come only from the Holy Spirit....otherwise it is a story that is not buried in our soul.
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 4:34:28 PM

"I would say, some folk who don't READ the Bible frequently try to explain what the Bible says."


Amen and Indeed!
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"LOL, and some of those same folk who don't believe the bible are always trying to explain what the Bible is saying..."

I would say, some folk who don't READ the Bible frequently try to explain what the Bible says.
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"I am saying that there are some posting in this forum who contend that the Bible is not to be believed; that it is nothing more than a very old book on a par with other old books. "


LOL, and some of those same folk who don't believe the bible are always trying to explain what the Bible is saying...

*ROTFL*!!!
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 3:50:14 PM

Too bad it's not the all time most read Book.
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 3:43:20 PM

Gottcha. In either case it's still the all time best selling book.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 3:31:53 PM

"Nahhhhh Jay - He would just chase her outa the town er er er temple......"

Nahhhh fly, I doubt it...
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 3:26:24 PM

I am saying that there are some posting in this forum who contend that the Bible is not to be believed; that it is nothing more than a very old book on a par with other old books.


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no1doc
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 3:19:40 PM

What is it that you're saying, "Depends on whether you believe the Bible is the Word of God or just a really really old book on a par with other old books."?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 3:15:15 PM

"Would Jesus partake is such name calling?"

Nahhhhh Jay - He would just chase her outa the town er er er temple......
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2015 3:12:59 PM

Depends on whether you believe the Bible is the Word of God or just a really really old book on a par with other old books.


[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 4/23/2015 3:13:25 PM EST]
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