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no1doc

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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2014 4:52:26 PM

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< "Because you believe that we ALL should be doing it, then everyone must be FORCED to do it. Typical liberal mindset." >

. Conservatives/Christians added "under (imaginary) 'God' " to the Pledge of Allegiance in an attempt to FORCE EVERYONE to mouth their psychotic mental illness BS...

. Christians need to realize/comprehend/admit that their evil religion addiction/psychosis mental illness came from the Middle East and is NOT 'American'... and hates democracy... and hates peace... and fuels all the wars... and creates and supports all the religious terrorists...

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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 12:46:38 PM

Sorry for that confusing run-on Buzz. Christians are taught that there is no greater love than to give ones life for others. That doesn't necessarily involve physical death (as in the case of Christian martyrs), but, giving/ living ones life for others. The 911 hijackers believed that killing "infidels", as well as themselves, was their ticket to paradise. That's anathema to Christian teaching. We are to give our lives for/to others.
It's dying to oneself, not killing for oneself.
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"The Kingdom of Heaven, O man, requires no other price than yourself. The value of it is yourself. Give yourself for it and you shall have it."

-- St. Augustine
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 12:04:26 PM

Buzz, "Getting back to the original topic, Christians should take their Middle Eastern religion-controlled brains and move back to what's left of Gaza... so they can enjoy what religion brings..."
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That's not the original topic Buzz and since none of us are from Gaza, we can't "move back". You seem to be a "lumper" when it comes to misunderstanding religions i.e. Christianity and radical Islam. You might try some "splitting" to gain some real understanding. While you type your posts, Christians are being forced out of Mozul by ISIS. Either they convert to Islam, pay the dhimmi(tax), leave, or are killed. "The Kingdom of Heaven, O man, requires no other price than yourself. The value of it is yourself. Give yourself for it and you shall have it."

-- St. Augustine
...Thanks for your previous efforts Norm; seems you're more patient than I am.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 11:47:02 AM

"Probably because you didn't understand what you said."


I understood what I said; and I also understand you don't agree. Fine.

Just leave it at agreeing to disagree and be done.

Ciao.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 11:44:10 AM

RNorm: "Again, I expressly stated "inviting" which means an invitation that can be declined there is no force, no duress and no guy, so why make up crap that I didn't say?"

Probably because you didn't understand what you said.

The government can only spend money it has either borrowed in the taxpayer's name of money directly collected from taxpayers.

You don't "invite" the government to participate in anything; it must be legislated, a spending bill passed in the House, approved by the Senate, signed by the President, and then money spent with the authority of law, collected from the taxpayer.

"Again, I'd rather the taxes go towards feeding hungry Americans as opposed to blowing up other countries."

Again with the fallacies? False dichotomy, BTW. You tap-danced around the other issue: How do YOU feel about being forced to pay for the murder of unborn children in the womb?

"However, at the same time, don't try to say I'm wrong for doing what I believe the Bible clearly teaches and feed the hungry with my own dollars."

Again, that's exactly what I said. Spend your money on anything you want. But don't force me, or anyone else, to spend money on what you want.

Government has a distinct function, and yes, waging war and defense IS one of those legitimate functions. There are 112 instances in the Old Testament relating to the nation of Israel's military. And God's provision for them. Just ask Gideon.

And, nowhere, anywhere, in the entire Bible does it say that the government is responsible for the care and feeding of the poor, and quite often, it says exactly the opposite.

Or did Ruth come from Moab with her mother-in-law and fill out welfare and food stamp forms at the Israeli Welfare Department?



[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 7/31/2014 11:44:25 AM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 11:36:16 AM

"I am a citizen, I do pay taxes and I do have the right to have a say in where my tax dollars should be spent. Again, I'd rather the taxes go towards feeding hungry Americans as opposed to blowing up other countries."

Amen!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 11:29:45 AM

"Because you believe that we ALL should be doing it, then everyone must be FORCED to do it.

Typical liberal mindset."


Actually, that's a typical warping of what I said; which is expected from you.

Lets look at what I said again:

"What I have said and advocated herein, is that since I pay taxes like everyone else, I rather my tax dollars go toward feeding hungry Americans, than blowing up people in other countries."

I am a citizen, I do pay taxes and I do have the right to have a say in where my tax dollars should be spent. Again, I'd rather the taxes go towards feeding hungry Americans as opposed to blowing up other countries. If you think we need to blow up other countries, then you go and vote for people who will represent those interests and let America continue to be the world's policeman; you have that right. And again, there is NOTHING wrong with me disagreeing with you and my seeking to elect people who will represent my interests and desires for how my tax dollars are spent. That's the beauty of a free society like the one we live in; my opinion is no less important or less valid than yours.






I also said:

"That isn't turning over any obligation I have, but rather, inviting the government (and and only else), to join me in what we ALL should be doing."

which you warp into:

"In other words, forcing YOUR beliefs on others at the barrel of a gun."

Again, I expressly stated "inviting" which means an invitation that can be declined there is no force, no duress and no guy, so why make up crap that I didn't say?

And to be clear, the "we" I was talking about when I said "in what we ALL should be doing", is SPECIFICALLY talking about Christians. Because the Bible makes it pretty clear that believers are to care for the poor:

"If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the LORD against you, and you be guilty of sin. You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’" (Deuteronomy 15:7-11)

Now if you feel that doesn't apply to you, no problem, I'm not forcing you to accept it. However, at the same time, don't try to say I'm wrong for doing what I believe the Bible clearly teaches and feed the hungry with my own dollars. In fact, I know atheists who don't believe in God but will come alongside me in my efforts because they DO feel that its a good thing to help the poor.

So again, there is nothing wrong with me feeding the poor and there is nothing wrong with atheists assisting in that effort or with my requesting that my tax dollars be spent here in THIS country, feeding hungry people in THIS country.
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 9:56:24 AM

Dont know about those that call themselves Christians

--- but its past time for every rational thinking person to leave the Democrat Party -

Ohhhhh MY BAD - they already did...
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 9:18:42 AM

MM, "I offered no personal comment about you, only about conservatism. You have to decide for yourself whether the drunkard's assessment is accurate."
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You're right Marty and I appreciate that. It's best to keep personalities out of these discussions. Makes things more pleasant for everyone. In the caller's case, he was judging the messenger because of the message. I'm OK with that. In fact I chuckled when he hung up. Hope he got plugged into program. If not, and he calls again, I'll still be there for him. There's no magic bullet that allows one person to end the self destructive behavior of another.
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 9:18:41 AM

RNorm: "That isn't turning over any obligation I have, but rather, inviting the government (and and only else), to join me in what we ALL should be doing."

In other words, forcing YOUR beliefs on others at the barrel of a gun.

Because you believe that we ALL should be doing it, then everyone must be FORCED to do it.

Typical liberal mindset.

A conservative decides to become a vegetarian, he stops eating meat.

A liberal decides to become a vegetarian, he demands meat be banned and unavailable to everybody.

How about you spend YOUR money on what you want to, instead of confiscating other people's money to spend money on what you want to?

Like killing unborn children. Which President Obama has for the first time in the history of the US, funded with taxpayer money.


[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 7/31/2014 9:20:44 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:06:23 PM

"This all really amounts to those who talk the talk, and those that walk the walk. Talk is cheap, and talk is the commodity of all of these bureaucrats that liberals want to place the care of our indigent into. I refuse to turn over my obligation to help my fellow man to the government, this is my job, not theirs. Liberal democrats on the other hand are more than happy to give the needy person a government department to contact to help them out with "fill-in-the-blank", and then consider themselves having helped out their fellow man."


No it does not.

I spend MY OWN time and money helping the less fortunate.

What I have said and advocated herein, is that since I pay taxes like everyone else, I rather my tax dollars go toward feeding hungry Americans, than blowing up people in other countries.

That isn't turning over any obligation I have, but rather, inviting the government (and and only else), to join me in what we ALL should be doing.
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No1doc: <<<"One more observation. Over the last 17 years I've spent some Saturday mornings praying in front of our local abortion mill with other "prayer warriors". Occasionally a street person will approach us asking for money. I have yet to see even one approach an abortion escort for a hand out. Nor do the escorts ever volunteer a donation. It's a curiosity.">>>

--I know what you mean, when I lived in Chicago, I volunteered at a large state hospital (Oak Forest Hospital), and visited with patients, listened to them, laughed with them, prayed with them, learned from them, and pushed them back and forth to services at the hospital chapel. All of the patients I dealt with were sentenced to living the rest of their lives there, in various states of paralysis, and none of the volunteers working alongside myself were "NOT" Christians.

This all really amounts to those who talk the talk, and those that walk the walk. Talk is cheap, and talk is the commodity of all of these bureaucrats that liberals want to place the care of our indigent into. I refuse to turn over my obligation to help my fellow man to the government, this is my job, not theirs. Liberal democrats on the other hand are more than happy to give the needy person a government department to contact to help them out with "fill-in-the-blank", and then consider themselves having helped out their fellow man.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 6:24:57 PM

"Warning, warning,...very vague claim....

Could you please cite, Rnorm when you accuse."


Why, so you can ignore it?

Because when people point out such posts, you say you didn't see it, even though you were posting in the same thread as those who did.

And that was your response when your pal the Pilgrim called my wife out of her name that resulted in his previous banning, remember?

So no Maria, I'm not going to waste my time proving anything to you because you don't even acknowledge the proof I do give you; like just the other day, when you didn't after you blasted Obama for not speaking about the violence in Chicago and on fatherless boys and I showed you that, in fact, he did; remember?
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 6:17:27 PM

.
. Getting back to the original topic, Christians should take their Middle Eastern religion-controlled brains and move back to what's left of Gaza... so they can enjoy what religion brings...

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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 6:08:45 PM

"no2doc, isn't it also a curiosity that most of those abortion mills are located in poor, minority areas?"
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Yes, Margaret is having it her way and the very population she had such disdain for is paying for it. Black women make up about 7% of our Milwaukee Metro population. But about 40% of aborting moms are black.


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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:54:06 PM

no2doc, isn't it also a curiosity that most of those abortion mills are located in poor, minority areas?

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," [Margaret Sanger] said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

And, that is an example of something that is a direct quote from a prominent "Progressive."

As opposed to the almost constant straw men thrashed constantly by those on the left...
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:51:00 PM

Warning, warning,...very vague claim....

Could you please cite, Rnorm when you accuse.

RNorm: "For whether you will admit it or not, there ARE conservatives who are posting in THIS thread, who have shown utter callousness about the misfortune of others, articulated with the "that'll teach them a lesson" meme in their posts."

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 7/30/2014 5:51:48 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:49:32 PM

RNorm: "I can't speak for those folk, but I do know that a caring person would not be uttering the "that'll teach them a lesson" meme."

Throwing more straw on the thrashed straw man does not make it a legitimate argument. So, apparently, you can't speak for "those" folk but you're perfectly wilihn to speak against those "other" folk.

Wait, "other" folk? My mistake, I mean those "other straw men."

Unless you'd like to actually find and quote someone who has "uttered" that so-called "meme."

"You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means..." - Inigo Montoya

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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:43:33 PM

EZ, "--It has been my observation that people that think like this tend not to be charitable with their fellow citizens,..."

One more observation. Over the last 17 years I've spent some Saturday mornings praying in front of our local abortion mill with other "prayer warriors". Occasionally a street person will approach us asking for money. I have yet to see even one approach an abortion escort for a hand out. Nor do the escorts ever volunteer a donation. It's a curiosity.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:40:19 PM

"A frequent liberal argument against pro-lifers is that they only care for the fetus and not the baby after she's born. Their reasoning is that if we really cared, we wouldn't object to more generous welfare benefits."


I can't speak for those folk, but I do know that a caring person would not be uttering the "that'll teach them a lesson" meme.

Not to mention that you've NEVER heard me proffer that "welfare for life" is ok.
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:28:18 PM

"A popular piece of legislation that seeks to honor Pope Francis is stuck in Congress."

#ILIKE(insertname).

Doesn't Congress have better things to do than pass resolutions honoring people? VA, Border Control, Economy, etc.?
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:23:44 PM

RNorm: "For whether you will admit it or not, there ARE conservatives who are posting in THIS thread, who have shown utter callousness about the misfortune of others, articulated with the "that'll teach them a lesson" meme in their posts."

DING DING DING!

BINGO and BOOM!

Now THAT is a Straw Man argument!

I'm glad to see you've finally figured it out!

SMH

*ROTFL*
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:20:34 PM

EZ, "--It has been my observation that people that think like this tend not to be charitable with their fellow citizens, but find solace in the government doing acts of charity without their involvement...."

A frequent liberal argument against pro-lifers is that they only care for the fetus and not the baby after she's born. Their reasoning is that if we really cared, we wouldn't object to more generous welfare benefits. Evidently government assistance for these mothers is the only support on their radar screen. Fact is there are over 2,000 pregnancy help centers in the US and more are established each year. They provide moms with clothes, formula, cribs etc. The only volunteers we see ever see in Milwaukee are conservatives.
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EZ, "You see, if you take someone by the hand and teach them to fish, you are now vilified as well. The message that these people are proclaiming is not love and care for the poor, it is about increasingly empowering the government to do it for them on their behalf."
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Not to mention fostering the entitlement mentality - rights rather than responsibility. Somebody needs to pay for all my children...somebody needs to be held accountable, and they need to pay.
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 2:33:58 PM

Will Speaker move bill on the pope?


A popular piece of legislation that seeks to honor Pope Francis is stuck in Congress.

With time running out on the Capitol Hill calendar, the lawmakers who crafted the bipartisan measure are getting impatient with Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).

The resolution, written by Reps. John Larson (D-Conn.) and Pete King (R-N.Y.), congratulates Francis on his March 2013 election and recognizes “his inspirational statements and actions.”

The seemingly innocuous resolution was referred to the House Foreign Affairs Committee, which hasn’t acted on it. The panel didn’t comment for this article.

The inaction and the lack of a white smoke signal from Boehner have sparked speculation that politics is at play.

Only 19 of the 221 co-sponsors are Republicans. The dearth of GOP members on the measure could be attributable to assertions that the pope is “too liberal,” according to a Republican backer of the legislation.

The source noted that Francis last year denounced “trickle-down economics.”

Some Republicans believe the pope is “sounding like [President] Obama. [The pope] talks about equality — he actually used the term ‘trickle-down economics,’ which is politically charged,” the GOP official said.

In March, the pope raised some eyebrows when he indicated an openness to civil unions. He stressed, however, that he strongly supports the church’s teaching that “marriage is between a man and a woman.”

Larson on Friday sent a letter to Boehner requesting a vote.


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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 2:31:46 PM

Doc:

We are all speaking in generalities, for we all know folks on BOTH sides of the aisle who model Christ. However if you are buying into the generalized lie that liberals are godless and without morals and ONLY conservatives are models of Christ, then continuing the discussion is pointless.

For whether you will admit it or not, there ARE conservatives who are posting in THIS thread, who have shown utter callousness about the misfortune of others, articulated with the "that'll teach them a lesson" meme in their posts.

Really now.
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 1:25:10 PM

"He called me around 7 in the morning to thank me for my efforts and to tell me I was a self righteous p***k. So in my case, at least one alcoholic agrees with you on that one Marty."

I offered no personal comment about you, only about conservatism. You have to decide for yourself whether the drunkard's assessment is accurate.

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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 1:09:26 PM

"Conservatism has replaced morality and charity with self... self-righteousness, self-sufficiency, self-importance, and selfishness."
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Just a little anecdote on self-righteousness. I take calls for the local AA office hotline. When the office is closed, their phone transfers to volunteers at their home. Your post reminds me of a drunk who called me around 1:30 one morning. He had finally reached the point where he knew he had to stop drinking and that he couldn't do it on his own. I spent about half on hour with him - explaining how the AA program works and telling him about the success stories I've seen. I found a meeting location for him close to his house. We said goodbye and I went to back to bed.

He called me around 7 in the morning to thank me for my efforts and to tell me I was a self righteous p***k. So in my case, at least one alcoholic agrees with you on that one Marty.

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no1doc: <<<"That "Republicans only care about the rich and want the poor to starve" is pure bull but, it's standard fare from the left. When conservatives want to eliminate EBT card usage at casinos, liquor stores, or strip clubs, we're accused of robbing the poor.

In the 50's, for most folks on public assistance, it was usually a short term thing and it wasn't a way of life. People were grateful for the assistance and didn't view it as a right.">>>

--It has been my observation that people that think like this tend not to be charitable with their fellow citizens, but find solace in the government doing acts of charity without their involvement.

You will often see self-professed Christians manipulate the words of Christ to suit their opinion. You see, if you take someone by the hand and teach them to fish, you are now vilified as well. The message that these people are proclaiming is not love and care for the poor, it is about increasingly empowering the government to do it for them on their behalf. This is one of the differences between their philosophy and ours.
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 12:11:56 PM

no1doc: "That "Republicans only care about the rich and want the poor to starve" is pure bull but, it's standard fare from the left."

The sad thing is there are multitudes of Low Information Voters who are stupid enough to believe that and ignorant enough to accept it at face value without questioning it.

Very sad, when you think about it...
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 12:00:16 PM

"Conservatives are willing to let the fellow expire of starvation while they teach him to fish, after he's bought the hook and bait of course."
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That "Republicans only care about the rich and want the poor to starve" is pure bull but, it's standard fare from the left. When conservatives want to eliminate EBT card usage at casinos, liquor stores, or strip clubs, we're accused of robbing the poor.

In the 50's, for most folks on public assistance, it was usually a short term thing and it wasn't a way of life. People were grateful for the assistance and didn't view it as a right.





[Edited by: no1doc at 7/30/2014 12:00:50 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 10:24:41 AM

"There's nothing immoral or uncharitable about promoting self-sufficiency."

"All that self leaves rather little room for Christ."
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Using the talents God gave us to do for ourselves and our families what we should be doing, doesn't leave less room for Christ. It should remind us from Whom all good things come and cause us to give Him thanks.



[Edited by: no1doc at 7/30/2014 10:25:13 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:35:46 AM

RNorm: "Well, since I refuted your statement:

""... Liberalism has replaced morality and charity with Marxism and government handouts.""

With YOUR OWN statement:

"Go ahead and throw more straw on that straw man you pummeled. It won't make your ridiculous statement any less ridiculous... "

Then by YOUR OWN admission, you agree that your statement was a strawman."

So, with the vast resources of the internet and massive numbers of books on the subject, you don't understand what a straw man argument is?

My statement was an assertion, not attributed to anyone else.

You might want to look that up before pretending that you're "refuting" something...

And the whole :by YOUR OWN admission" is kind of foolish since I made that statement earlier in the topic in reference to something completely different.

*ROTFL*

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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 9:20:28 AM

Repeating the same thing over and over and over does not make it true. Although a lot of liberals seem to think so...

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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 8:12:27 AM

"If neither of you can be bothered to refute my statement intelligently, but instead you must resort to Appeals to Ridicule, and in your case, insults and derision, then obviously, my assertion stands."


Well, since I refuted your statement:

""... Liberalism has replaced morality and charity with Marxism and government handouts.""

With YOUR OWN statement:

"Go ahead and throw more straw on that straw man you pummeled. It won't make your ridiculous statement any less ridiculous... "

Then by YOUR OWN admission, you agree that your statement was a strawman.



And one more time:

"Are you going to fall back on that ridiculous lie again? "So pilgrim, are you saying you did not call my wife out of her name before you were banned? Is that what you're saying now? Interesting, because there are several who have posted in this thread who saw what you said, just like I did. Are you now calling us all liars???
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 7:09:34 PM

Oh, I get it now. There's nothing wrong with that statement. Liberalism DOES replace morality with Marxism in the form of "to each their own" and supplants the idea of a higher authority. Marxism embraces atheism, and in case you didn't notice, so does the Democrat Party. The removed God and religion from their Party Platform and had to resort to subterfuge and lies to get it put back in.

Government handouts DO destroy charity, removing the opportunities of the Church and individuals from their Biblical responsibility to care for the poor, and replacing it with Robin Hood polices and wealth redistribution.

Taking a statement and then reversing it and adding ridicule does not an intelligent rebuttal make...

If neither of you can be bothered to refute my statement intelligently, but instead you must resort to Appeals to Ridicule, and in your case, insults and derision, then obviously, my assertion stands.

And, if the two of you actually think that the GOP and/or conservatives actually believe those things you threw out there, perhaps you both need to get out more and have conversations with people beyond those that suffer from the same delusions.

Maybe this political debate thing is a little too hard for Three Stooges mentality...



[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 7/29/2014 7:12:00 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 7:01:43 PM

"Maybe you can expand on that bizarre statement. It's an especially peculiar statement coming from an "independent". It would make sense if you replace GOP with Democrats."


Well, since you completely embraced an utterly stupid statement:

""... Liberalism has replaced morality and charity with Marxism and government handouts.""


it would not seem that you needed any further exposition on a statement that comments on what the other side of the political coin does.

[Edited by: RNorm at 7/29/2014 7:02:27 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 7:01:18 PM

It's not hard to understand at all, flyboyUT. It's very similar to people that say Islam is the "religion of peace" in the light of constant terrorism in the name of Islam.

It's called Cognitive Dissonance.

Or, I prefer 'Doublethink'.

[Wikipedia] Doublethink is the act of ordinary people simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Somewhat related but almost the opposite is cognitive dissonance, where contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance — thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.

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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 6:58:47 PM

"Are you going to fall back on that ridiculous lie again? "


So pilgrim, are you saying you did not call my wife out of her name before you were banned? Is that what you're saying now? Interesting, because there are several who have posted in this thread who saw what you said, just like I did. Are you now calling us all liars???
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 6:52:40 PM

Its hard to understand how someone could profess to be both a Christian and a Democrat -
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 6:52:37 PM

no1doc, I'm quite often reminded of the meaning of a certain Scripture when discussing any serious topic with certain posters here:

"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

It just seems some people can't discuss ideas, but rather must attack the person with insults and derision.

Teaching a man a skill to feed himself is simply common sense, and in no way causes them to be selfish. It simply gives him the ability to feed himself and his family. That seems far more caring than simply telling him that he isn't good enough, or smart enough, or somehow can't take care of himself and his family.

Which is exactly what liberals do with programs such as welfare, food stamps, and the rest.

Destroying a person's pride by making them dependent doesn't make them a better Christian.

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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 6:37:10 PM

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< "The politics of the GOP has replaced the Will of God." >

. Since there's no such things as 'God(s)' or 'Will of God', guess we don't have to ever worry about that ever actually happening...

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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 6:24:33 PM

"There's nothing immoral or uncharitable about promoting self-sufficiency."

All that self leaves rather little room for Christ.



"Conservatives want to teach the fellow how to fish,..."

Conservatives are willing to let the fellow expire of starvation while they teach him to fish, after he's bought the hook and bait of course.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 7/29/2014 6:25:45 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 6:19:30 PM

"The politics of the GOP has replaced the Will of God."

Maybe you can expand on that bizarre statement. It's an especially peculiar statement coming from an "independent". It would make sense if you replace GOP with Democrats.

"Conservatism has replaced morality and charity with self... self-righteousness, self-sufficiency, self-importance, and selfishness."

There's nothing immoral or uncharitable about promoting self-sufficiency. What's immoral AND uncharitable is fostering inter-generational dependency. Conservatives want to teach the fellow how to fish, libs want him supplied with fish that someone else has paid for.

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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 6:17:05 PM

Are you going to fall back on that ridiculous lie again?

Ever heard a real preacher talk about that whole "false witness" thing? Since you obviously don't know, it means "lying."

Why do you even bother pretending you are here to debate politics when all you do is reply with foolish comments and personal attacks and *ROTFL*?

That's OK.

I forgive you.

I'll just go talk to people who are serious about having a conversation rather than just throwing dirt and mud at people and hoping it sticks rather than actually trying to discuss topics...

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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 5:44:04 PM

""... Liberalism has replaced morality and charity with Marxism and government handouts.""


Go ahead and throw more straw on that straw man you pummeled. It won't make your ridiculous statement any less ridiculous...







"Or perhaps you can just explain away James 3:10: "Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be."


And this from the guy who called my wife a name that can't be mentioned on these forums....

Practice what you preach, Pilgrim.
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 12:09:52 PM

MiddletownMarty: "Conservatism has replaced morality and charity with self... self-righteousness, self-sufficiency, self-importance, and selfishness."

Wow. Another straw man. How can liberals stand to be so intolerant and hateful?
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 12:05:36 PM

RNorm: "And at the same time Conservatism has replaced "considering other better than yourself" and "loving thy neighbor as thyself" with selfishness and callousness...The politics of the GOP has replaced the Will of God. "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" has replaced mercy."

Go ahead and throw more straw on that straw man you pummeled. It won't make your ridiculous statement any less ridiculous...

Oh, are you going to make any more comments about not going to lunch with AnotherOne, or show more hatred towards us after spouting off about "love thy neighbor?"

Or perhaps you can just explain away James 3:10: "Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be."

Go ahead, curse me some more, AnotherOne also, we don't mind. Then continue to explain to us how a Christian can support the Party of Prenatal Death by pretending that the GOP "hates" poor people. Especially since Republicans give far more to charity than liberals, by close to a 2 to 1 ratio.

Yes, you heard me. What did the Apostle Paul say? You remember, it was in a letter he wrote? 2 Thessalonians 3:10: "For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either."

Charity isn't the liberal paradigm of stealing from one person and giving it to an undeserving person.

Why not spend your devotional time today listening or reading a long ago sermon: "Sinners in the hands of an angry God."
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 11:58:34 AM

"... Liberalism has replaced morality and charity with Marxism and government handouts."

Conservatism has replaced morality and charity with self... self-righteousness, self-sufficiency, self-importance, and selfishness.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 7/29/2014 11:59:23 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 10:56:14 AM

I just saw your post Norm. I'll have to get back to you on that - lots of yard work to get to right now.
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 10:52:13 AM

"Just as it is possible that there are people who profess belief in God, seeking absolution for absolutely immoral activities. "
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In day to day activity, when was the last time you heard someone say, "That's a sin"? The word is hardly a part of our vocabulary any longer. Did you ever read the book "Whatever Became Of Sin" by the famous psychiatrist Karl Menninger M.D.? He explains how his experience lead him to realize that moral values are an essential aspect of psychiatry. In his view, mental health and moral health are identical. The book was published in 1973, ironically, the same year the SCOTUS decided Roe v. Wade.


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