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no1doc

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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 10:25:08 AM

"Tolerance is the last virtue of a man with no convictions." - GK Chesterton
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 10:36:44 AM

Thanks for that answer Norm. Glad you agree that rights come from God. I haven't been ignoring you, just working on a proper response for you which is taking some time. - more to follow
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"It was still legal to kill people for not succumbing to religion addiction/psychosis before the USA was officially formed, so Jefferson had to be careful what he said early on and how he said it..."


Well Buzz, the Declaration was written (1776) long before your quote (1787), and by then the colonies were free from England's grasp and governed by the Articles of Confederation. Not to mention that his acknowledgement of God that A1 and I pointed out to you was after that (circa 1807), so there was no longer a need to be careful about anything as by then the Constitution and all its freedoms were the law of the land (since 1790).

Thus, if he didn't believe in God in his earlier life, its pretty clear that he did in his latter days, just like many of us today...

So again Buzzy, you're just wrong.
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. It was still legal to kill people for not succumbing to religion addiction/psychosis before the USA was officially formed, so Jefferson had to be careful what he said early on and how he said it...

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
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Here is what Thomas Jefferson DID say...

"“Among the most inestimable of our blessings is that … of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support.”– Thomas Jefferson, Reply to Baptist Address, 1807"

Thomas Jefferson and "Worshipping Our Creator"

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Buzzer, "he made sure freedom from religion was a founding premise of the USA and his state of Virginia... "

Oh did he?

Care to back that up?

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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 12:29:01 AM

"Jefferson has been quoted as saying there is no 'God'."


And here was also quoted of saying thee is a God:

"Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one." - Thomas Jefferson
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 12:11:58 AM

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< "From what I understand, Thomas was a Deist, meaning he believed in God, unlike you... " >

. Jefferson has been quoted as saying there is no 'God'... and he made sure freedom from religion was a founding premise of the USA and his state of Virginia...

. Yes, it's true I've never had religion addiction/psychosis mental illness...

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+++++++++++++ RELIGION ERADICATION SPECIALIST +++++++++++++
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[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 8/20/2014 12:13:19 AM EST]
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 11:45:23 PM

Thanks for that "...Gun foes should tell the whole story" link TD. Lotsa myth busting there. Very illuminating.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 11:05:55 PM

"Jefferson deliberately used a term that could be taken many different ways..."


Buzz, you weren't even born or thought of when Thomas penned the paper...so how would you even know what he was thinking??? From what I understand, Thomas was a Deist, meaning he believed in God, unlike you...
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"Of course their is. A lot of people discuss topics with me. And quite a number of people have rejected you, and your insults, derision, and sarcasm."


Great, Mr. Pilgrim; and at the same time, a LOT of people know who you are, no matter how many times you are banned and return or how many times you change you handle and/or avatar.

Moreover, then that should also mean that you should not expect me to respond to you.

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 9:49:49 PM

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. My Creators were my parents... no imaginary faggot sky fairies/'Gods' involved... Jefferson deliberately used a term that could be taken many different ways...
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 9:30:32 PM

Of course their is. A lot of people discuss topics with me. And quite a number of people have rejected you, and your insults, derision, and sarcasm.

Repeatedly.

The problem is that you're blinded by your own hate, and believe your own false accusations against others, and refuse to recognize it or even acknowledge it.

Sad. Very sad.

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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 8:58:15 PM

"And, once again, you've avoided the discussion with the usual troll tactics of deflecting the discussion."


No avoidance or deflection at all; there simply is no discussion with you.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 8:50:08 PM

And which insults were they?

But, of course, you're blind to your OWN insults and derision and hyper-sensitive to everyone else's...

And, once again, you've avoided the discussion with the usual troll tactics of deflecting the discussion.

Oh, well.

SMH

[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 8/19/2014 8:52:59 PM EST]
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"You constantly waste everyone else's time with your insults, derision, and guffaws, perhaps your time would be better spent on learning what a straw man argument is, and how to avoid it?"



Well, since Doc and I have had a pretty decent conversation bereft of your insults and snide remarks, my time is obviously better spent continuing the same with my brother and not waste my time with your foolishness, Mr. Pilgrim.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 7:54:02 PM

ROTFLNorm: "God gives each of us the right to choose...If you don't like that He gave others the rights to choose differently than you; then take it up with the Lord."

Troller_Diesel: "No one is disputing that people have free will, or "choice." But those choices come with consequences, some negative. Many deadly."

Do you even read before you reply?

ROTFLNorm: "Hmm...it seems EVERYTHING you don't agree with is a Strawman Mr. Pilgrim, so that is why I don't waste my time conversing with you..."

Would it be helpful, then, to point out that this is another Straw Man?

You constantly waste everyone else's time with your insults, derision, and guffaws, perhaps your time would be better spent on learning what a straw man argument is, and how to avoid it?

Would you like me to post a link to a discussion of what straw man arguments are and how to avoid them for you?

It might help you to avoid looking foolish when you make such comments as the one above...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 7:15:28 PM

Again, the question was:

"Choices come from the individual, where do rights come from?"

And Jefferson answered it more eloquently than I

""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness""

The right to choose how to live one's life comes from the creator. Its pretty simple.

Moreover, people had that right even BEFORE there was a Declaration of Independence, a US Constitution or even an America (which is why I cited those verses).

God gives each of us the right to choose...If you don't like that He gave others the rights to choose differently than you; then take it up with the Lord.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 6:54:06 PM

Hmm...it seems EVERYTHING you don't agree with is a Strawman Mr. Pilgrim, so that is why I don't waste my time conversing with you...
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What does the Declaration of Independence, a letter to the King of England, have to do with the Constitution of the United States, the document that created a nation?

Obviously, the First Amendment allows freedom of religion within the context of the Bill of Rights.

No one is disputing that people have free will, or "choice." But those choices come with consequences, some negative. Many deadly.

However, your reply doesn't even come close to addressing no1doc's comment.

So, apparently you made a choice to simply slaughter another innocent straw man...

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Clearly, you equate choice and right. A right is a choice; a choice isn't necessarily a right. It's the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Choices. Choices come from the individual, where do rights come from? "


Probably from the same place Jefferson was referring to:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

The Choice to live one's life as they please, is a right bestowed to man from the creator. You and I may not like how people choose to live their lives, but they do have that choice of self-determination; even if that choice leads to self-destruction -- because they have that right given to them from God.

It seems THAT is what you do not want to accept that people are given the right to choose from above because you don't like their choices...

[Edited by: RNorm at 8/19/2014 6:30:16 PM EST]
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Passer: "President Reagan & his press secretary learned first hand what lack of reasonable gun control could do."

Nonsense.

...Gun foes should tell the whole story

Liberals seem to think gun control is a "magic bullet" that will prevent crime.

It isn't. Never has been, never will be.

"His press secretary, to his eternal credit, devoted the rest of his life to his sacred cause."

No he didn't. He, even more so than his wife, Sarah Brady, were puppets of Handgun Control, Inc.

Just more Progmunist rainbow and unicorn-fart utopia based on made-up facts.



[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 8/19/2014 6:14:17 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 5:58:08 PM

It's not about liking or not liking your phrasing. It's about meaning. Clearly, you equate choice and right. A right is a choice; a choice isn't necessarily a right. It's the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Choices. Choices come from the individual, where do rights come from?
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"My reading the bible and God not forcing anyone to believe in Him are both irrelevant to understanding your original statement regarding "rights", fornication and adultery. An atheist with no scripture knowledge would have the same understanding of your statement. "


Again, in a free society, a person has the right, i.e., choice, to live as they please (as long as the exercising of their rights (i.e., choices) are not trampling on the rights and/or choices of another.

So whether or not you like how I phrased what I said, people do have the right to choose to live as they please, including the right to live immorally if they choose (as long as their choices are not violating the rights of others, i.e., murder, rape, other crimes, etc).

And an atheist with no scripture knowledge will understand that as well...
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What you said was, "Some people can't accept that others have the right to live as they please, even if their choices, i.e., fornication, adultery to name a few, are immoral (as far as scripture goes)."

1) Sure sounds like you just said that other people have a right to fornicate and commit adultery. And 2) that some people can't accept that."You need to read your bible. God does not force anyone to believe in Him or follow his word. If you read your bible, you'd know that.
...........

My reading the bible and God not forcing anyone to believe in Him are both irrelevant to understanding your original statement regarding "rights", fornication and adultery. An atheist with no scripture knowledge would have the same understanding of your statement.
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"doc, "For any Christian to suggest we have a right to sin is at least very misguided, if not blasphemous."

Norm, "Don't twist what I said." ... There's no twist.

What you said was, "Some people can't accept that others have the right to live as they please, even if their choices, i.e., fornication, adultery to name a few, are immoral (as far as scripture goes)."

1) Sure sounds like you just said that other people have a right to fornicate and commit adultery. And 2) that some people can't accept that."


You need to read your bible. God does not force anyone to believe in Him or follow his word. If you read your bible, you'd know that.

What I said was simple and true -- namely, since men have free will, they can choose to believe God and follow his Word or not. And if people choose not to believe God and ignore His Word, then they will do the things God's in His Word says not to do, i.e., like commit fornication or adultery, etc.

That I understand that does NOT in any way, shape, form or fashion equate that I'm saying that what people choose to do in their lives is right...but simply that God gives them the same free will he gave me to choose His way or their own. And again, the Bible says this as well:

"Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." (Joshua 24:14-15)


"And Elijah came near to all the people and said, “How long will you go limping between two different opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.” And the people did not answer him a word." (1 Kings 18:21)

So again, people DO have the right, via free will, to choose how they will live their lives.

Don't get it twisted.


[Edited by: RNorm at 8/19/2014 1:59:16 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 1:53:18 PM

From TD's link:

"You can't legislate morality!

The origin of that claim is revealing. Even in its earliest iterations, the argument was made in connection with the larger effort to secularize the country and establish the public school system as the arbiter and instructor of all things related to "morality" and "virtue." It was part of the effort to exclude faith from all debates in the public square.

The earliest use of the phrase was in a book published in 1856. Written at the outset of this country's debate over the establishment of a public school system, here's what the author argued:

You cannot legislate men to morality; you must educate them to liberty and virtue . . . and the schools must give to the country a people who will require no such despotic laws. (James P. Hambleton)

Since then, the use of the argument has been singularly one-sided. It has tended to be used by those advocating for the "new morality," those who use the phrase as a club against all adherents of "traditional morality." Yet the advocates of the "new morality" (sometimes cynically described as the "old immorality") see no hypocrisy in their pursuit of legislation embracing their more permissive views of right and wrong. In such areas as abortion, sex education, and marriage, they have been quick to slam their opponents as "legislating morality" while they blithely pursue their own agenda to not only permit, but often to encourage and even impose, their less restrictive views."
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 1:39:55 PM

doc, "For any Christian to suggest we have a right to sin is at least very misguided, if not blasphemous."

Norm, "Don't twist what I said." ... There's no twist.

What you said was, "Some people can't accept that others have the right to live as they please, even if their choices, i.e., fornication, adultery to name a few, are immoral (as far as scripture goes)."

1) Sure sounds like you just said that other people have a right to fornicate and commit adultery. And 2) that some people can't accept that.

I do agree with you on item 2. You're right, millions don't believe/accept that others have such rights, ..... and you give the impression, at least at times, that you're not among us.

doc, "The political aspect only exists because the government began inserting itself into these issues (usually through the courts), promoting sexual immorality."

Norm, "No, it exists because people are insistent on trying to legislate morality in a free, democratic society."

Our society has been legislating morality since it began. Laws can't make an evil man good but, they can make him think twice about doing evil. We all have the freedom to fornicate but, none of us have the right, regardless of SCOTUS decisions.

[Edited by: no1doc at 8/19/2014 1:43:20 PM EST]
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Getting back to the OP, the left likes to paint the right as racists. As Jackson said,

"They have saturated the black community with ridiculous lies. Unless we support the Democrat Party, we will be returned to slavery. We will be robbed of voting rights. The Martin Luther King holiday will be repealed. They think that we are stupid and that these lies will hold us captive, while they violate everything we believe as Christians."
....

Our county sheriff is a conservative democrat who happens to be black. He never toes the democrat party line and is very outspoken. Liberals have no use for him and have been trying to unseat him the last two election cycles. They ran the nasty commercials and ads usually reserved for attacking GOP candidates. It was reported that Michael Bloomberg was funding Clarke's opponent in the partisan primary we had last Tuesday .
The voters had to declare one party or the other and if they voted for any candidates of the undeclared party, their ballot wasn't counted. Don't know of any conservatives who voted for the GOP candidates, they wanted Clarke to make it through the primary.

It was probably the closest race on the ballot but, on election night Clarke had the lead and he closed the evening early so his supporters wouldn't have to wait for the final returns. He first thanked God, then his wife. He also thanked three local conservative talk show hosts by name.

It was a hoot to see the liberals attacking the black guy and those "racist" conservatives coming to his rescue.


[Edited by: no1doc at 8/19/2014 10:03:50 AM EST]
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"A PRAYER here for James Brady, another homicide and at least James was among the rarest of individuals --

someone who had the chance to do something positive about his own homicide!"
...
RIP Jim. Ali Agca, the man who shot JPII converted to Christianity after the Pope visited him in prison.
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President Reagan & his press secretary learned first hand what lack of reasonable gun control could do.

His press secretary, to his eternal credit, devoted the rest of his life to his sacred cause.

A PRAYER here for James Brady, another homicide and at least James was among the rarest of individuals --

someone who had the chance to do something positive about his own homicide!

Amen

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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2014 4:18:09 PM

Joe Piscopo, "When I met President Reagan, I felt inspired. I want to feel inspired again. Like Reagan, I think the time has come for me to leave the party I’ve been a member of my entire life — not because I want to leave it, but because it has already left me."
...

A lot of conservatives know how you feel.

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MM, "Here is MY tax dollar at work at Planned Parenthood. Fabulous .

I will not post the videos because I end up out of here when I post videos,..."
...

Thanks for getting back to the OP.

Ah yes, I remember the post that got you banned. Made me proud of our liberal friends when they went to bat for you to bring you back. Thanks again guys.

Your recent post gets us back to the unholy alliance between Planned Parenthood and the Democrat Party, which Jackson touched on in the OP.
He was referring to the disparate number of black babies being aborted by PP. Your post brings up another problem. The video starts with a news report of a 43 year man who was accidentally asphyxiated by his under age sex partner using an electrical cord. In the rest of the video, a Planned Parenthood counselor is instructing an under age girl (undercover) on bondage, asphyxia, sex toys, as well as activities involving urination and defecation.

We used to call that sort of thing corruption of minors. Evidently PP considers it a part of "comprehensive sex education".



Time to pull the plug on our tax dollars going the this organization. Their founding mission was to spread contraception. They're not supposed to be using our tax dollars to fund abortions. Well, thanks to Obamacare, contraception is free. No need for separate contraception funding for PP. Yeah, yeah, I know they test for venereal diseases, collect pap smears and refer for mammograms. But, so do thousands of legitimate medical entities which don't receive any special tax funding.

Subsidizing PP because they perform some legitimate activities is a little like subsidizing an arsonist because he also sells fire extinguishers.

I once met a guy who was into the sexual asphyxia thing. He was in the county morgue cooler. Sadly, the body, dressed in drag, was discovered by his son.

Lord save us.





[Edited by: no1doc at 8/16/2014 1:28:28 PM EST]
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"The United States is not a democracy. It is, and always has been, a representative republic..."

Doesn't change my answer one bit.

"Because if they didn't have the right, and were castigated for it by self righteous people who too often thought they were morally superior and beyond reproach like extremists everywhere, this would no longer be a Representative Republic."


"Actually, some of us do..."

RNorm, you are not the "real" Christians I was referring to. You are a REAL Christian! And the difference is night and day.

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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 5:21:43 PM

yes way past t ime
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"Glad you knew that."

Yeah, I DO read my bible; often and daily.




"So Obama is just bringing about the end of days?!"

Um, the end of days will come, REGARDLESS of who's president; and I'm sure you know that.







"Which one are you claiming that Obama is?"

Neither. Has he miraculously recovered from a fatal wound? Then he ain't the one.

You should know that...
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"Is the world a safer place, the Middle East more stable,"
...

I'll mark you down as a no. I agree.
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"Is the world a safer place, the Middle East more stable,"RNorm, "And that is a believer asking this?

Doesn't the bible say that there will be MORE wars and rumors of wars towards the end of days? So how can you ask is the world a safer place?"

Why yes it does, RNorm.

Glad you knew that.

So Obama is just bringing about the end of days?!

Now lets take the next step.

WHO caused those conflicts at the end of days?

Let me help you.

Satan and his lieutenant, the anti-Christ!

Which one are you claiming that Obama is?

Hint: Neither one is a very good option.

But then neither is Lt. Obama!

ROTFL



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 8/15/2014 4:18:55 PM EST]
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"Is the world a safer place, the Middle East more stable,"


And that is a believer asking this?

Doesn't the bible say that there will be MORE wars and rumors of wars towards the end of days? So how can you ask is the world a safer place?

Doesn't the bible teach that Israel will be surrounded by enemies before God moves in a big way to defend it? So how can you ask is the middle east more stable?

Again, the only person who will be promising peace over there in that region is the Anti-Christ...

And you say I'm suggesting blasphemy for realizing that in a free nation, people can choose to believe the bible or not?

Um, you might want to review Daniel and Revelations again.

SMH
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 3:32:58 PM

Thanks for that link I75at7AM.

Some of Joe's points from the link:

"From where I’m standing, the party has largely abandoned its commitment to civil rights and instead allows race-baiters to be national power brokers. As spokesman for the Boys and Girls Clubs of New Jersey, I am hurt that there is not one Democrat in Washington who cares enough about the great inner cities of this country to help those in dire distress from poverty and crime. These cities are in worse shape than those countries from which all those illegal “children” crossing our borders daily are coming.

In my home state, if I can walk the streets of Camden to try to help the disenfranchised, why can’t the Democrat in the White House walk the South Side of his hometown and do the same? In terms of caring for the working class, it seems as though Democrats are more interested in catering to the special interests, such as the trial lawyers, lobbyists and George Soros who fund their campaigns — rather than fighting for small-business relief to allow a higher minimum wage or (God forbid) middle-class tax relief.

Most disheartening, though, is the Democrats’ weak commitment to a strong defense and maintaining America’s place in the world as the only superpower. All I see is an American foreign policy led by a Democratic administration that is floundering when it comes to things like dealing with Iraq, Russia and Syria, inept when it comes to crises like Benghazi, and weak at the knees when it comes to protecting our strongest Middle Eastern ally, Israel."
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Is the world a safer place, the Middle East more stable, or America more respected today compared to 6 years ago?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 2:07:56 PM

It is time for Joe Piscopo to leave the Democrat Party.

Because it already left him.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 1:36:23 PM

"Again, you accuse me of an "insult."


Again, you falsely accuse me of theology that I've never espoused herein or elsewhere.

I simply point out the fact that people have the freedom to believe or not to believe in God. That is how things work in a free society. And understanding that fact has nothing to do with what I believe or my theology...a rational and informed person would know that.

Always assuming that my understanding that people are free to choose whether or not to believe or not to believe means that I do not believe is simply flawed and irrational thinking.

*ROTFL*
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 1:32:11 PM

Again, you accuse me of an "insult."

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Read the link I included, it might help you understand my point.
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 1:23:59 PM

"I hope that isn't an example of your "theology."


No, its an example of how a free society works. Too bad you're so quick to look for insults that you can't grasp that...
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 12:57:27 PM

ROTFLNorm: "You cannot force your beliefs onto anyone else. Why is that so hard to comprehend?"

I hope that isn't an example of your "theology."

Really? So we should just throw out all of the laws about child molesting, human sacrifice, murder, theft, rape, spousal abuse?

Because every single day we DO force our beliefs on everyone else. It's called "the law."

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

LEGISLATING MORALITY: It's Unavoidable

"You can't legislate morality!

People will not behave better just because a law tells them to do so, we are told. In fact, it's been repeated so often that the claim is regarded as being beyond debate in the minds of many people. And, it is strongly suggested, those seeking to pass laws prohibiting immoral conduct are no better than the Taliban.

There's just one problem with all of this: It isn't true.

To gain a clearer understanding, it is important to look at history, logic, and some recent examples where both behavior and beliefs have been dramatically impacted by legislation."

ROTFLNorm: "...we ALL will find out whether or not the Bible was true all along."

"Whether or not?!?"

Is that another example of your theology?

What false Gospel are you teaching?!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 12:45:42 PM

"For any Christian to suggest we have a right to sin is at least very misguided, if not blasphemous."


Don't twist what I said.

Again, in a free society, people have a right to choose how they live their lives. If they are not Christian, then they are not bound by the Bible's teachings, now are they??

Knowing and understanding that isn't suggesting anything, but simply stating the truth as it applies to people living in a free society. You cannot force your beliefs onto anyone else. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Moreover, however people choose to live their lives, they WILL give an account for their choices in life, as that is what the Bible teaches, but if they don't believe the Bible, that is their choice. And on the last day, we ALL will find out whether or not the Bible was true all along.

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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 11:21:03 AM

"The political aspect only exists because the government began inserting itself into these issues (usually through the courts), promoting sexual immorality."

Norm, "No, it exists because people are insistent on trying to legislate morality in a free, democratic society."
....

Legislating morality has been going on in our democratic society since its inception. As Gandhi once said, "Moral results can only be produced by moral restraints." Since 1965, our government has been legislating sexual immorality. It was the SCOTUS that has made these issues political, not Christians.

Norm, "Some people can't accept that others have the right to live as they please, even if their choices, i.e., fornication, adultery to name a few, are immoral (as far as scripture goes)."
...

"(as far as scripture goes)"??????? Isn't that sufficient???? for a Christian. Not to mention almost 2000 years of Church teaching and Tradition.

We sin because of our fallen nature; doing so is wrong; it's never a right. "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.", John F. Kennedy

Christ came into time to free us from our sins, not to make us free to sin. God gives us the right to do what is right. The SCOTUS gives us the bogus "right" to do what is wrong.

For any Christian to suggest we have a right to sin is at least very misguided, if not blasphemous.

..............
"Politics and Christianity must necessarily intertwine because Christianity is a way of life as far as believers are concerned, much to the chagrin of unbelievers and pretend believers." Marty





[Edited by: no1doc at 8/15/2014 11:24:14 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 11:14:59 PM

"Not that "REAL" Christians care? "


Actually, some of us do...
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 6:33:24 PM

Passer: "...this would no longer be a Democracy."

More lib ignorance-on-steroids.

The United States is not a democracy. It is, and always has been, a representative republic...

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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 4:08:48 PM

"YEs, why does any person with a religionous knowledge stay with a political party who favors abortion, favors gay privileges over legacy norms of morality, favors turning the united states into a tyranny? favoring laziness with easy welfare? WHY?????????????"

Because if they didn't have the right, and were castigated for it by self righteous people who too often thought they were morally superior and beyond reproach like extremists everywhere, this would no longer be a Democracy.

Not that "REAL" Christians care?




[Edited by: Passer at 8/14/2014 4:10:55 PM EST]
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