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no1doc
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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RNorm
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"Let's drop the line that none of us have ever done so. "

Many of you have NOT done so, but have changed the goalposts repeatedly when I point out issues with the GOP; and then go back to that old standby, "well they [i.e., democrats] booed God".

All political parties serve themselves, that is just the reality. And to think that the Republican party is "God's Own Party" as so many republicans have tried to do is simply nonsense. If Jackson is saying its time to leave the Democrat party, then ok, do that. But don't try to get me to believe that the Republican party is the promised land that the great exodus is taking people to, because its not.

Now if you want to be there, great. But again, I'm an independent and will vote for democrats and republicans as I see fit, based on the issue before me and who I feel is the best person to effect what I think should be done on a certain issue.

Unlike many here, I'm not a single issue voter, i.e., that abortion litmus test.
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 11:46:14 AM

Norm, "And you say I evade simple and direct questions???

Again, Jesus would not belong to ANY political party; we know that even if you can't bring yourself to say it."

...

Yes Norm, we do all know that. It's a rhetorical question that doesn't need answering. But, since you bring it up, I have no trouble saying it:

.....Jesus would not belong to ANY political party.....doc
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Still waiting for your answer to:

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doc, "What DO you, or any Christian, call it when a political party doesn't want God mentioned in their platform?
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All Republicans are sinners and the party has many hypocrites, myself included. There...I said it...I've acknowledged it (again). Let's drop the line that none of us have ever done so.


[Edited by: no1doc at 3/30/2015 11:50:30 AM EST]
no1doc
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"Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal."

~ Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
RNorm
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"He'd certainly condemn the notion that a mother has a "right" to end the God given life in her womb or, that His Father's purpose in creating man and woman to become one flesh can be redefined."


And you say I evade simple and direct questions???

Again, Jesus would not belong to ANY political party; we know that even if you can't bring yourself to say it.
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 10:55:54 AM

"Would Jesus be a member of either party?"
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E.W. Jackson, "We don't need the Democrat party or any party! We need God! God will take care of us. It's been a long time coming, but the time has come to take a stand. Come out from among them! Exodus now!"
no1doc
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 10:24:34 AM

"Would Jesus be a member of either party?"
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He'd certainly condemn the notion that a mother has a "right" to end the God given life in her womb or, that His Father's purpose in creating man and woman to become one flesh can be redefined.
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 10:03:46 AM

That's the right link for Dolan's prayer Reb. The second one isn't working today. It linked me to a distasteful SNL video about "The Rock Obama."
Remember when that show was actually funny?
RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 9:42:20 AM

"It seems to me that "all who are in authority" covers all political persuasions. Vote for the candidate of your choice, but If you are a Christian, pray for the winner."


Amen and again I say, Amen!!
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 9:30:54 AM

"I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,…"

--1 Timothy 2: 1-3.

It seems to me that "all who are in authority" covers all political persuasions. Vote for the candidate of your choice, but If you are a Christian, pray for the winner.
MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2015 7:26:28 AM

"...And when you quote scripture here, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to quote biblical passage and verse, without understanding it is guidance for your soul and not just something cool to say."

The scripture I quoted clearly struck a nerve. Good... good.
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 7:46:33 PM

"Would Jesus be a member of either party?"


LOL, don't think so...

[Edited by: reb4 at 3/29/2015 7:46:45 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 7:44:46 PM

No1Doc, I had to search for the video and I think I found it here....

Cardinal Timothy Dolan Admonishes Democrats on Abortion, Religious Liberty


I thought nothing wrong with this public prayer...

I guess the services that some of the Christians here go to they don't have public prayer in their service...

I have been to service (Mass) at Catholics and I do know there are prayer in public...

I think some services I have been to there are at least 5 if not more public prayers in our services... Thank you No1Doc.




RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 7:36:56 PM

"Would Jesus be a member of either party?"

A resounding NO.
RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 7:36:18 PM

"You're better than that."


Yes I am.

But until I see ONE honest republican acknowledge the hypocrisy of their own party (rather than the usual avoidance of it), then I'm going to continue to point it out.

And yes, the Original Post is about leaving the democrat party for its issues, but for the posters here to continue to defend the GOP as if their party is the only and superior alternative, when in fact it has different but similar sin issues, then my pointing out that hypocrisy is actually on point in response to the OP.

And the fact that you and others continue to give the GOP a free pass (or excusing dismissives, i.e., well they're just RINOs), proves my point about hypocritical republicans over and over and over...
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 7:25:53 PM

doc,"What DO you, or any Christian, call it when a political party doesn't want God mentioned in their platform?
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Norm, "And what do you, or any Christian call it when a political party mentions God in their platform, but its members, in large numbers, embrace those things that God says do not???
....

Since this thread is about Jackson's question, and the first question above is a direct quote of his (the "or any Christian" was added my me), and "droning on" about Republicans is just avoiding Jackson's question, please take some time, really reflect on the question, and give a thoughtful, serious answer to the question, "What DO you, call it when a political party doesn't want God mentioned in their platform?" And at least this one time, please answer directly, without invoking the Republican Party or any Conservatives posting here. You're better than that.
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If you'll do that, I'll be happy to answer your question.




[Edited by: no1doc at 3/29/2015 7:28:34 PM EST]
SE3.5
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 7:23:04 PM

"My kingdom is not of this world."

--John 18:36

Would Jesus be a member of either party?
RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 7:04:49 PM

"...And when you quote scripture here, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to quote biblical passage and verse, without understanding it is guidance for your soul and not just something cool to say."


Actually, I understand that knowing and quoting scripture is BOTH guidance for your soul AND something cool to say. And the Bible confirms that:

"PREACH the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching" (2 Timothy 4:2)

ke¯rysso¯ - to publish, proclaim, as a herald (1 Cor. 9:27); to announce openly and publicly (Mk. 1:4; Lk. 4:18); to noise abroad (Mk. 1:45; 7,36); to announce as a matter of doctrine, inculcate, PREACH (Mt. 24:14; Mk. 1:38; 13,10; Acts 15:21; Rom. 2:21). [Mounce]
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 6:43:10 PM



EZExit, AMEN!!!

EZExit
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 6:37:17 PM

...And when you quote scripture here, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to quote biblical passage and verse, without understanding it is guidance for your soul and not just something cool to say. Truly I tell you, love one another as I have loved you.
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Ahhh yes!

We immediately have MTMarty "praying on the street corner" to be seen by all and to show everyone how much better he is than them.

SMH



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 3/29/2015 6:15:19 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 6:12:33 PM

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."


RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 6:05:34 PM

"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me."


Amen and indeed!
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 5:59:40 PM

It's old news but pertinent to this discussion:
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Cardinal Dolan Admonishes Democrats on Abortion, Religious Liberty...The full text of his prayer starts immediately below the video.
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For those who still pretend the drive by media isn't in the tank for Democrats, "The only networks respectful enough to show the prayer in its entirety without interruption was Fox News, Fox Business and C-SPAN. ABC, CNN, and PBS kept it in background while talking over it. MSNBC completely ignored it, cutting the audio feed to let their pundits share their opinions without distraction. CBS and NBC returned to local news affiliates as soon as he began." according to NewsBusters. - See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ryan-robertson/2012/09/07/text deleted till con't
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They did the same thing with the Mia Love speech at the Republican convention. Didn't fit the racist Republican myth.
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 1:19:32 PM

"What DO you, or any Christian, call it when a political party doesn't want God mentioned in their platform?"

Secular, ie one following the American Constitution ie

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Nor shall a political party, through its platform, contradict it unless it is a Party hypocritical to the American Constitution and its Ideals.

Nor shall a political party attempt to hijack this Constitution for its own purely political motives.


[Edited by: Passer at 3/29/2015 1:21:42 PM EST]
MiddletownMarty
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This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.


RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 10:25:49 AM

"What DO you, or any Christian, call it when a political party doesn't want God mentioned in their platform? "



And what do you, or any Christian call it when a political party mentions God in their platform, but its members, in large numbers, embrace those things that God says do not???
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2015 9:56:31 AM

The incident you refer to simply indicates Jackson is exactly right when he said,
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"What do you call it when Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins and my sins and paid the price for our freedom and you join in covenant with a political party that doesn't even want God mentioned in their platform?"
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Maybe you can answer Jackson's question directly. What DO you, or any Christian, call it when a political party doesn't want God mentioned in their platform?

RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2015 7:26:16 PM

"Where's the glorification of the Republican party in that statement?

And Democrats weren't even mentioned, much less droned on about."


You have to take in consideration all of the posts being made here...including the droning on about "democrats who boo God" (which has been repeated ad infinitum)...
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2015 7:20:28 PM

Norm, "No, in a nutshell, I'm saying again, what I've keep saying, is that the people here who keep droning on that the democrat party is nothing but a bunch of ungodly heathens who boo God, those same people will keep ignoring and finding excuses to glorify the republican party, even though the GOP has ungodly heathens of their own (at both the local and national level), who support the same things those ungodly heathens in the democrat party do..."
...

From doc's 3/21 post: "Our current GOP elites on the national level are increasingly irrelevant to conservatives. They're democrat lite and can't seem to recognize that real conservatives win big. If Al Simpson were my neighbor, he'd get an earful, although he deserves a B-slapping."
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Where's the glorification of the Republican party in that statement?

And Democrats weren't even mentioned, much less droned on about.


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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2015 8:22:07 PM

Good to have you back A1. Let's be kind now. I liked her early 90's Betty Crocker look. Still doubt she could recite her "favorite" Toll House cookie recipe.
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MTMarty, "a mud-and-dung encrusted sow's ear"

Now MTMarty, that isn't a very nice thing to say about Hillary!

;-)

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Haven't seen you in a while JD. Good to hear from you. All the sows I've seen always clean up very nicely. Stop by again.
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" is to compare a mud-and-dung encrusted sow's ear with handcrafted elegance and class." - - - so, which one do you equate yourself with?
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2015 5:33:54 PM

Why don't you speak your mind Marty - ouch? You paint a colorful mental picture. Wasn't comparing the two.
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"From my perspective the only thing McCain had going for him to attract conservatives was Palin. "

I meant a viable conservative female candidate for President, and to compare Palin with Elizabeth Dole is to compare a mud-and-dung encrusted sow's ear with handcrafted elegance and class. The two shouldn't be mentioned together in the same topic, IMHO.







[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/26/2015 5:10:56 PM EST]
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"ROFL! I'll read that next,..."
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Don't feel obligated EZ, I was just giving the source for that quote.
It's a great resource site but, I've never read the whole thing. There's an 8 minute conversion story video at the bottom. I heard Walid Shoebat speak at the University of Milwaukee a few years ago. Had to go through a metal detector.
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"I have to wonder if the GOP will ever be ready for a female candidate."
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From my perspective the only thing McCain had going for him to attract conservatives was Palin. I'd support Condi Rice, she's very bright. Don't know much about Mia Love but, I thought her speech at the GOP convention was a home run. She won her Congressional race.

"Everybody dies, and then the judgement. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
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I hear you Marty but, I'd just as soon depart this earth with my head still attached.
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Doc: <<<"EZ, while you're working on that lengthy Belloc essay on Mohammed, here's a great, short, spot on quote for the file:">>>

ROFL! I'll read that next, like I had indicated to you earlier, it is quite interesting, but I work almost non-stop and time is a luxury I would like to buy more of.
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2015 8:15:54 PM

I remember watching Elizabeth Dole on TV once, answering questions from the audience. I want to say it was a town hall meeting but I'm not sure. She was a most thoughtful, well reasoned, articulate, and gracious speaker. I felt so sorry for her when she dropped out because of inadequate fundraising. I have to wonder if the GOP will ever be ready for a female candidate.



"Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe""

Everybody dies, and then the judgement. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2015 6:50:40 PM

EZ, while you're working on that lengthy Belloc essay on Mohammed, here's a great, short, spot on quote for the file:
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Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"

[Edited by: no1doc at 3/25/2015 6:51:57 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2015 6:46:19 PM

Good post Marty. History would indicate you judged Bill rightly.

"I wish Elizabeth Dole had run in 2000. I'd have voted for her in a heartbeat."

doc chuckles, I hadn't thought of her in ages; I totally agree.



[Edited by: no1doc at 3/25/2015 6:51:32 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2015 6:04:31 PM

Thanks for that.

I remember Bush's promise of no new taxes and did consider not voting for him, but upon reflection it seemed to me an insufficiently strong reason. I also considered voting for Clinton, until he was asked that question about whether he had ever smoked pot. He did his utmost to evade a direct and honest answer, and I thought to myself... If he's going to evade answering so inconsequential a question as that, what things of serious import might he evade? I'm glad I judged rightly. That business with Monica Lewinsky brought a great deal of shame to the office of President and to the country. Clinton was an excellent politician, but a total embarrassment to the nation.


Yes, I did vote for Bush 41 in 1989.

I wish Elizabeth Dole had run in 2000. I'd have voted for her in a heartbeat.


[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/25/2015 6:06:15 PM EST]
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"I don't care much for labels. Situations always seem to arise which cause the label's adhesive to fail as soon as it's applied."

And sometimes there's no truth in the labeling.
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Well Marty, that voting record shows you're not a lap dog for one party.
Some may not agree but, a vote for "none of the above" shows some integrity.
Voting for the lesser evil gets old after a while. After he broke his "no new taxes" pledge I couldn't vote for Bush 41 again. When I heard what he had done, I knew he wouldn't be re-elected. He lost a lot of support with that move.I think that was my first libertarian vote. During thep three ring circus it was between Howard Phillips or Harry Brown. I thik I went with the Constitution Party that year. Still don't know why the GOP ran with Dole.

Just curious if you don't mind, did you vote for Bush 41 the first time he ran? Funny thing is, I voted for Reagan the first time around because Bush was his running mate. But, I voted for him in '88 because and I thought I was getting another Reagan. After I couldn't read his lips, I was done with him.
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I don't care much for labels. Situations always seem to arise which cause the label's adhesive to fail as soon as it's applied.

The last Democrat President I voted for was Obama... both elections. The last Republican President I voted for was George W. Bush... both elections... I refused to vote for Bill Clinton. I didn't vote at all in the Clinton-Dole-Perot three-ring circus, and I voted for George H. W. Bush in '92.






[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/24/2015 3:30:15 PM EST]
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Sounds like you're a conservative independent.
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Carter was the last Democrat president I pulled the lever for. The transition from the Shah to the Ayatollah didn't work too well for him but, he got Sadat and Begin together - not a small accomplishment. And he wasn't a rubber stamp for the Planned Parenthood agenda. He seemed to have a soft spot for dictators, usually those who weren't on good terms with the US.
Or so it seemed to me.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 10:27:04 PM

Doc - there are some here that might think I am a tad conservative - maybe....

But I do vote for the person who I think will do the best job. I have even voted for a Democrat a few times what that person was the better candidate.

I would vote for a morally upstanding honest Democrat before I would vote for a pseudoRepublican who could not be trusted.
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 8:52:01 PM

I appreciate that Marty. Good answer. In our last primary, which was a closed primary - you had to declare a party and any ballot with votes for two parties was not counted. Many Milwaukee County conservatives passed on voting for any Republican candidates so we could make sure our Democrat Sheriff made it to the general election. It was sweet irony that the "racist" GOP was responsible for the black guy being re-elected.
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I have no critique to offer. Neither do I have a pat answer to the question. I vote for the candidate I believe is best suited for the position, regardless of political affiliation. I may not vote for any candidate.





[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 3/23/2015 8:28:30 PM EST]
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"I'm curious how some decide whether to vote or not vote for a candidate who fails one litmus test but passes others. Would you vote for an adulterer (or a serial adulterer) who is"... [insert any legislative positions or causes you agree with].
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The last GOP congressional candidate, in this part of the country, that had "sexual morality issues" simply dropped out of the race. He wasn't in my district anyway.
Our mayor who had sexual behavior issues was never on my radar screen to begin with. Our current Chief of Police who has admitted to marital infidelity hasn't yet come up for re-election. Unless his opponent is "off the reservation", that opponent will have my vote.

If any of my current GOP representatives "ran amuck" and the Dems ran their usual left wing candidates, I'd probably vote for run amuck GOP. If they ran a Democrat like Bill Proxmire, I'd vote for the Democrat in a heartbeat.
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Before critiquing my answer, how about giving us yours?


[Edited by: no1doc at 3/23/2015 8:20:54 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2015 7:18:11 PM

"I don't think Christians should leave any party or organization. I think they should work within their party or organization to further their Christian interests and beliefs. The grass isn't always greener and improving where you are is a noble undertaking."
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I think you're onto something tim. Maybe we can have a Christian caucus.
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