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no1doc

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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2014 4:49:16 AM

yes!
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2014 5:47:47 PM

"Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." --Ezekiel 16: 49
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 2:35:23 PM

"There seems to be some here who like to see the teaching of Jesus as indicating that government fund programs is attributable to the scripture of the poor man selling everything to get into the kingdom."


I don't know about all of that, but I do know that the Bible says that God will judge nations (and individuals) on how they treat the poor...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 2:34:09 PM

"Jesus told the young man to give away his own money. That's conservative, not liberal. Liberals generally prefer to give away other people's money
and that's not what Jesus said to do."


Actually, as Weasel deftly points out, since liberals pay taxes too, they're also giving away their own money.

Not surprising that you would try to make it that only conservatives pay taxes, but further, liberals think spending tax dollars (INCLUDING their own) is better spent on helping the poor rather than blowing up other countries.

Further, Jesus never said to anyone, "you have to get YOUR OWN healing like I got mine", but he FREELY gave to any who came in humility and faith...which is generally opposite to the conservative meme, which usually says something like "I worked for mine, so go work for yours"...

Funny how you try to portray the words and works of Jesus as only being conservative, when in fact, Jesus was neither conservative or liberal, just the Son of God.

SMH
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 2:00:58 PM

"Liberals generally prefer to give away other people's money..."

Don't Liberals pay taxes too? Seems like their money is included? ;)

reb4 - please post a link to your sources ;) lol <s>

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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 10:59:53 AM

LOL! Obviously the fictional imaginary Jesus of gospels' stories has something to appeal to both Republicans and Democrats:

. The Republicans love that religion controls the minds/bodies of the timid/workers, and that Jesus used his superpowers to blind and murder people by age 12 with impunity, and that Jesus went berserk in the temple and used a WMD of the time (whip) to murder the bankers and merchants... twice... thus making repeated wars an acceptable concept... and turning the other cheek when 'w'ronged by the rich... and he wasn't really effectively tried, convicted, and hung for his crimes, because his body was stolen and, thus, he supposedly arose from the dead and kept right on living despite his crimes...

. On the other hand, Democrats love that Jesus initiated the concept of giving away other peoples'/the rich's money to the poor and also made food magically appear... no need to work growing food... made the concept of food stamps possible... and he homosexually lived and consorted with 12 other guys... making the homosexics happy... and he called his girlfriend, Mary Magdalene, a ho... and he didn't stick around to support his kids...



[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 3/21/2014 11:01:10 AM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 10:25:20 AM

That is a correct assessment No1doc.

There seems to be some here who like to see the teaching of Jesus as indicating that government fund programs is attributable to the scripture of the poor man selling everything to get into the kingdom.
Middletown Marty, you left off the rest of it... where Jesus explained this scripture to the Disciples....

"The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?”

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”

Then Peter spoke up, “We have left everything to follow you!” “Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age: homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—along with persecutions—and in the age to come eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 9:41:22 AM

"Jesus told the young man to give away his own money."

At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth. Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 9:25:09 AM

"Which is a very liberal thing to do, are you saying he has a mental disorder????"
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Jesus told the young man to give away his own money. That's conservative, not liberal. Liberals generally prefer to give away other people's money
and that's not what Jesus said to do.
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2014 12:41:31 PM

. Good one, Passer, establish a 'Commission on Republican Dark Ages'... LOL!
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2014 11:36:28 AM

Perhaps after Bishop Jackson gets his way he could establish a Republican Inquisition modeled after Middle Ages' Commission to establish and enforce rules and dogma of the Republican Faith. Those officially Excommunicated could become Democrats and hopefully be Burned at the Polls.

Obviously, this Bishop wants to bring back the Good Old Days (ie GOD) and those who in any way, disagree with Him can literally go to hell.

(What's the difference between a Bishop and an Ayatollah anyway? Just a political party? Obviously, the country no longer makes a difference. America will no longer be religiously freer than, say Iran.)






[Edited by: Passer at 3/20/2014 11:40:46 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2014 2:10:22 AM

Liberals are not anti-Christian, anti-God, or anything else. They do not believe in forcing their religion on anyone else. Now I bet Bishop would think Pope Francis was a liberal. Wonder if he thinks he is anti God also?



[Edited by: hep0950 at 3/20/2014 2:10:36 AM EST]
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 1:30:34 PM

. Wish Christians would leave both parties and all religics would stop voting... we normal people are getting tired of a USA run by mentally ill people... tired of the religious wars... tired of the religious terrorism... tired of the nuts running the nuthouse...
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 1:25:51 PM

"You may be onto something. Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” makes the case that the ideology motivating liberals is actually a mental disorder.

From the link: “The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”


So when Jesus says:

"And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How difficult it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!" (Mark 10:21-23)

Which is a very liberal thing to do, are you saying he has a mental disorder???? And since he also said its difficult for rich people to enter the Kingdom are you saying he had "wealth envy", another manifestation of Jesus' mental disorders????

SMH!!!!


[Edited by: RNorm at 3/18/2014 1:27:50 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2014 10:25:05 AM

"These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men." --Isaiah 29: 13
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 5:17:37 PM

. Yes, No1Doc, that applies to religics in both parties... but the Republicans are the ones pimping religion addiction/psychosis really hard to get donations from them... the Democrats generally resist what the extremist religics/religious terrorists are trying to force on others...

. And, thanks for congratulating me on being the 4,000th poster in this old thread... LOL!

. The 4 Billion Normal People throughout the whole world are against religion addiction/psychosis mental illness, religion fueled wars, religious terrorists, religion created serial killers, religion created mass murderers, religion pumping tons of mental illness into society daily...

[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 3/3/2014 5:22:01 PM EST]
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no1doc
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 4:40:14 PM

Congratulations on being the 4,000th poster BuzzLOL.

You may be onto something. Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” makes the case that the ideology motivating liberals is actually a mental disorder.

From the link: “The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 1:35:00 PM

. Mentally ill religics should not be allowed to vote at all... neither should any other addicted or mentally ill people... until they have proven that they have been cured/cured themselves...
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 12:51:07 PM

Passer..now, now.......that hell business is your favorite line. You need to get a new one (-;...because you know that the hell business is between God and the individual's response to God, it is not a Republican, or Democratic issue.

What this topic is about is issues that should concern Christian's of any party. This topic was in the Christian forum and got moved here. The reason it asks about Democratic Christians is there historical voting record.

For me, they say they are the champions of feeding the poor while increasing the time to kill the unborn. Scaring way of caring for life.
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 12:41:12 PM

"Of course you believe Democrats are going to your hell and Republicans will be populating your heaven. Since the Jews haven't accepted Jesus, ALL of them are going to hell also (unless they convert)?"


(To make clearer)
The "you" in the above sentence was NOT to be directed specifically at SE3.5 but rather at the new revisionistic Republicans who want a pure, Christian Republican party like no1doc and his idol, Bishop EW Jackson, imply.
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 12:23:55 PM

typo corrected

"OK, now that webcon wants the Jews to leave the the Christian Republicans, the next question starts:..."

(BTW SE3.5, doesn't Webcon's truthful, Tea Party answer, prove my point? You, or many Republicans might not go so far, but if one starts a post like no1doc has, you get those who want to keep the GOP "pure" ie no Jews, etc. come out of the (dead)wood work.)

It is not the questioner (me) who "spews hatred" but the Bishop's message -- even if some posters (webcon) may not fully understand where he might be coming from but use it to (unwittingly?)expose where they are at -- which might be further than you and traditional Republicans.)



[Edited by: Passer at 3/3/2014 12:30:58 PM EST]
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SE3.5
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"(Never said YOU have)"

Then why did you direct your last post to me?
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 12:03:14 PM

"You are just spewing pure hatred." No, this topic of creating a purely Christian political party did.

"yes way past time!".

OK, now that webcon wasnts the Jews to leave the the Christian Republicans, the next question starts:

Should ALL non Christians leave the Republican Party (ie since they're going to hell anyway) why not make the GOP the new Heaven on Earth Party?

ie. If you're saved you can be a Republican,
If not, get the HELL (literally) out!

"I defy you to quote any post of mine that comes anywhere near such a belief." (Never said YOU have)

This is not all about YOU, SE3.5. Most Republicans, by accepting with blinders, the Tea Party, are blind to their extremists that will also infect the GOP, a once proud party. Making the GOP a Christian Party, is dangerous and UnAmerican! By the time the GOP becomes fully Christian, and only accepts those who are Saved, will be the day it ceases to have any value as an American Party and any significant influence in American Politics!





[Edited by: Passer at 3/3/2014 12:05:52 PM EST]
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"There is no need to hijack the meaning of the word"

Funny, I didn't notice the words "suicide" or "mass murderer" in the definition you posted.

"Of course you believe Democrats are going to your hell and Republicans will be populating your heaven."

You are just spewing pure hatred. I defy you to quote any post of mine that comes anywhere near such a belief.
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 4:33:59 AM

yes way past time!
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2014 2:24:54 AM

SE3.5

"mar·tyr
'märt?r/
noun
noun: martyr; plural noun: martyrs

1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"saints, martyrs, and witnesses to the faith"

https://www.google.com/#q=martyr

There is no need to hijack the meaning of the word just to twist it for your own purpose. You must be a lawyer.


Of course you believe Democrats are going to your hell and Republicans will be populating your heaven. Since the Jews haven't accepted Jesus, ALL of them are going to hell also (unless they convert)?

Which brings up the question: Should all Jews leave the Republican Party until or unless they convert to Christianity????







[Edited by: Passer at 3/3/2014 2:28:51 AM EST]
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SE3.5
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"Any ayatollah would say the same thing about their religion."

Are you really comparing Christians who were beheaded, eaten by wild animals in the coliseum, or burned at the stake with suicide bombers?

SMH!

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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2014 5:02:04 PM

"The real irony is that the Christian Church was built on the blood of martyrs."

Any ayatollah would say the same thing about their religion. In fact, martyrs are so good for the faith that they are still actively recruiting them.

And the world is not better off because of it.

(But perhaps that is just what no1doc et al thinks that the GOP needs to beat out the devil in the Democrats?)

[Edited by: Passer at 3/2/2014 5:04:41 PM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2014 3:17:38 PM

"The irony of that quote is that Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a Christian murdered by a fascist regime,"

The real irony is that the Christian Church was built on the blood of martyrs.
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2014 2:35:28 PM

"The irony of that quote is that Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a Christian murdered by a fascist regime, which could have been opposed if more Christians had concerned themselves with politics, but didn't."

Excellent reason why Christians should be Republicans.

Watch those Atheistic or Jewish Democrats OR if you take your eyes off them they'll murder the Christian GOP as soon as they can.

(No wonder our CONSTITUTION and forefathers feared when fanatics tried to scale the wall they IN THEIR WISDOM built to separate church and state!)

History has proved, gth, that the stones and rocks that the historically ignorant mob tries to throw against our Forefather's Wall are radioactive!

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SE3.5: "Politics are not the task of a Christian. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer"

The irony of that quote is that Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a Christian murdered by a fascist regime, which could have been opposed if more Christians had concerned themselves with politics, but didn't.

GTH
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2014 12:45:21 PM

Larry Elder lists reasons Christians should have bolted party – besides 'gay' marriage: Black churches: Betrayed again by Dems
......
Judging from black voter turnout in the last election, Obama embracing same sex marriage didn't hurt him at the polls. Neither did persistent high black unemployment or any of the other problems he mentions in this article.
....
Democratic Party Loves Ill-Informed Voters
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2014 10:03:33 AM

"Politics are not the task of a Christian."

Amen!
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2014 5:03:31 AM

yes it is!
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2014 7:30:33 PM

Politics are not the task of a Christian.

--Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2014 4:31:39 PM

Merlin regarding Arthur:

"I was his tutor. I didn't teach him magic. I taught him ethics and morals. It is much more difficult, believe me."
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2013 12:38:12 PM

hero4hire posted this video in Black America's Real Problem Isn't White Racism. It seemed a good fit for this topic.Here's another black man who has left the Democrats.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2013 2:25:43 AM

Norm: <<<"If anyone is dodging, its YOU. Again, as I quoted earlier:">>>

To which I replied: <<<"I watched the video again, and no where no how does Jackson condemn anyone. He does however scathingly condemn the democratic party. He simply states that Christians should follow God, and his word, irregardless of what any political party would embrace. I can and do appreciate his message.">>>

TO which you replied: <<<""Jackson has referred to gays and lesbians as "very sick people psychologically, mentally and emotionally" and said their behavior "poisons culture."">>>

--You are the one taking the topic off road into Jackson's character, not I. I am not familiar with every thought and word uttered by Jackson, in fact I never heard of the guy until this thread. I have never heard him speak other than in the linked OP. What he said in this linked video was spot on, and he never attacked anyone, but rather a political party that often pushes Christianity aside.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2013 2:13:38 AM

"If we justify hate speech by anyone, then we discard scripture for everyone."

(That was quite well said, RNorm!)
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"but the message of the video has been discarded, and replaced with a trial of the character of the bishop"

Wrong again.

I was asked a question in regards to my prior post. You have tried to dismiss my answer and can't dismiss what the Bible clearly says about having words of Grace (as I pointed out in the verses I referenced), so you take what I said, which can't be disproven, and make that into "a trial of the character of the bishop".

Man please. I simply pointed out that the hate speak used by the Bishop doesn't agree with scripture and probably isn't effective in winning those he doesn't agree with to Christ.






"Classic dodge and weave."

If anyone is dodging, its YOU. Again, as I quoted earlier:

"Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person." (Colossians 4:5-6)

"Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear." (Ephesians 4:29)

If you think the language used by the Bishop is ok, then you go head on with that. But don't knock me for trying a different tact.






"If we discard everything that comes from anyone without perfect character, we have discarded everyone."

If we justify hate speech by anyone, then we discard scripture for everyone.
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2013 1:43:46 AM

"If we discard everything that comes from anyone without perfect character,..."

The point is that nobody is trying to hold Bishop Jackson to "perfection", (and we are glad that you admit that he has more than his share of flaws). The point is that in the history of this topic the gist of his political "message to black Christians" has been very ably shown by RNorm and others to be so full of political prejudice as to make the gist of his "message" moot.

It has been shown to be, above all, a political message by a politician trying to fool the politically gullible into a political position by resorting to his alleged Clerical Authority. And that has been shown to be shameful.





[Edited by: Passer at 11/25/2013 1:46:01 AM EST]
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I see, the OP is about "Is it time for Christians to leave the Democrat Party???" with a video message from a bishop, but the message of the video has been discarded, and replaced with a trial of the character of the bishop.

Classic dodge and weave. If we discard everything that comes from anyone without perfect character, we have discarded everyone.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 10:20:29 PM

"Not sure where that falls in the scheme of things, but pretty harsh words used but, I'm not going to challenge Jesus use of words..."


Neither am I.

However, I think there is a world of difference between someone who is SUPPOSED to be a religious leader and doing everything opposite of what that office/position entails (primarily not recognizing the only begotten son of God) and someone who has no knowledge of God and someone you should be trying to win to Christ.

Again, as I quoted earlier:

"Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person." (Colossians 4:5-6)

"Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear."(Ephesians 4:29)

If you think the language used by the Bishop is ok, then you go head on with that. But don't knock me for trying a different tact.


PS: Hope the anniversary celebration went well...Happy Anniversary!

[Edited by: RNorm at 11/24/2013 10:21:46 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 9:52:48 PM

"I do not think Jesus would use those words, do you?"

Rnorm, again, would really recommend you listen to the mp3 audio. As to your question I quoted:

Jesus did use harsh words.. primarily to groups, not so much individuals:Matthew. 7:5-6 " You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

****Hypocrites, dogs, pigs.. ?? *****

Or how about Matthew 23, I think you have used some of the passages before, have you not???

16-17, "Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, that is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obligated.’ “You fools and blind men; which is more important, the gold, or the temple that sanctified the gold?" **** Blind Guides, fools & blind men **** 27-28, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. "Even so you too outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."

**** Hypocrites, whitewashed tombs, full of hypocrisy and lawlessness ****23:33, "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you escape the sentence of hell?"**** Serpents, brood of vipers ***
** Not to mention a sentence for them ***38-40, "Beware of the scribes who like to walk around in long robes, and like respectful greetings in the market places, and chief seats in the synagogues, and places of honor at banquets, who devour widows’ houses, and for appearances sake offer long prayers; these will receive greater condemnation."*** Thieves who rob from windows ****

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

*** belong to your father, the devil ***

Not sure where that falls in the scheme of things, but pretty harsh words used but, I'm not going to challenge Jesus use of words...

[Edited by: reb4 at 11/24/2013 9:59:52 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 7:27:37 PM

"Rnorm, I have a feeling you have not really heard the context of the comment that this quote you are defending of this christian making and calling it "hate" I encourage you to take some time to listen to the context of the words you have quoted. "


I'll just make it plain.

I do not think Jesus would use those words, do you?

I just don't get why folks will continually defend the Bishop as if he can do no wrong, when its been clearly shown that some of his words are contrary to scripture.

I guess its more important to circle the wagons than to ever admit one of their fellow conservatives is simply wrong.

Whatever.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 5:11:35 PM

"I'm referring SPECIFICALLY to the Bishop's OWN WORDS:

"Jackson has referred to gays and lesbians as "very sick people psychologically, mentally and emotionally" and said their behavior "poisons culture.""

Rnorm, I have a feeling you have not really heard the context of the comment that this quote you are defending of this christian making and calling it "hate" I encourage you to take some time to listen to the context of the words you have quoted.

Here is the full recording of the segment that has been used here from Reverend Jackson...

For those that don't want to invest to much time in listening to the whole audio, it would be wise to go to 26 minute mark (the quote Rnorm has used here is in the 27 minute mark). However getting the context of the discussion is important...

as to your comments that all sin is sin, you might want to listen to the audio around the 35 minute mark... that would address your concerns that the Bishop is singling out a certain sin (you I believe you were referring to sinners ....) Interesting this interview was from my neck of the woods..

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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 3:34:57 PM

"You can't have it both ways."

Well, you sort of can:

if you give the good Bishop a "Bye".

(or is that a "Bi-"...?)
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 12:39:05 PM

"I watched the video again, and no where no how does Jackson condemn anyone"


I'm referring SPECIFICALLY to the Bishop's OWN WORDS:

"Jackson has referred to gays and lesbians as "very sick people psychologically, mentally and emotionally" and said their behavior "poisons culture."

So lets stop the end arounds.

If those are his words (and they are) and if he doesn't refer to ALL sinners in the same terms (which I don't recall him doing), then in fact he IS singling out gays and lesbians (and not just their sins).

Why y'all wanna keep giving him a free pass on that speaks for itself.

Again, the Bible says quite clearly:

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

So either EVERYBODY is

"very sick people psychologically, mentally and emotionally" and said their behavior "poisons culture."

Or he's singling out gays and lesbians. You can't have it both ways.

Period.

PS: I'm sure you don't elect people on the basis of one video; but rather the totality of their statements and positions....and no, this isn't about Obama or anyone else, just the Bishop.

[Edited by: RNorm at 11/24/2013 12:42:29 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 11:45:16 AM

It is good to revisit the video, in the opening statement, as you know just what he feels is "the unholy alliance".

The first unholy alliance he talks about is abortion.

I like these quotes from another Christian...Mother Theresa.

February 1997 - National Prayer Breakfast in Washington attended by the President and the First Lady. "What is taking place in America," she said, "is a war against the child. And if we accept that the mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another."

"Any country that accepts abortion, is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what it wants."

"It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 11:23:00 AM

I watched the video again, and no where no how does Jackson condemn anyone. He does however scathingly condemn the democratic party. He simply states that Christians should follow God, and his word, irregardless of what any political party would embrace. I can and do appreciate his message.



[Edited by: EZExit at 11/24/2013 11:23:19 AM EST]
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