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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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RNorm
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"It started from requesting this to be moved to the politics category, to the inflamatory left that has made this into a condemnation of those that believe in the scripture...."


Yet, I don't condemn anyone who believes in the scripture. But I do distance myself from people who would use the scripture to justify demonizing others when we all stand guilty of sin before God. The church can be quite vocal about gays and lesbians, but at the same time, ignore the adulterers, the wife beaters and other sinners right in their midst. And for me to point that out, is for me to be included in that wide paintbrush that says there are some who condemn those that believe in scripture.

Um, ok...
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 9:15:05 AM

"It's one thing to have compassion and grace, and another to promote sins... "


Its one thing to disagree and its another to say someone is doing something that they're not. No one here has promoted ANY sin.

In fact, I've stated and shown that the bible says ALL have sinned. That includes you, that includes me and it also includes the Bishop. Moreover, I have shown that the Bible shows that ALL has sinned and does not focus on one group or one sin, like your pal the Bishop does. I also showed where the Bible clearly shows that Romans in context is addressing not just gays and lesbians, but ALL mankind and showed where Calvin stated the same over 500 years ago, as well as Dr. Constable just 4 years ago. Not surprising that those verses and commentaries are overlooked.

Like I said before, you keep running with the Bishop. I'll just pass on that and no, I'm not condemning him or you either.

Have a nice day.

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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 9:01:58 AM

"I think he was asked repeatedly because he kept saying he didn't say what he said and then videos kept popping up with him saying what he was continuously denying. "




And again, all I've asked is for the complete context... All I have found is your left leaning artcles demonizing the bishop... which seems they do quite well... Circular discussion, I'll listen to this tune....

Rnorm, It's one thing to have compassion and grace, and another to promote sins... which is what the Bishop brought out in the video.
Rnorm... THis was not about demonizing And frankly, that is a major sticking point... You believe he did... and frankly you are wrong...



Demonizing has been from the left... It started from requesting this to be moved to the politics category, to the inflamatory left that has made this into a condemnation of those that believe in the scripture.... and what you have quoted down below...

Have a nice day Bro...



[Edited by: reb4 at 7/22/2014 9:06:24 AM EST]
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RNorm
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"On the other hand, YOU hardly ever post links. Yet attack others for not posting links. What a sanctimonious double standard."


That is just a lie. I can go back over every thread I started on here and find VERY FEW instances of where I did not post a link.






"But to hear you guys talk, homosexuals are never wrong and they never can be called out for their sin. To do so is homophobic, hater and bigoted. But we know who are the ones truly bigoted and hate filled."

Yet another lie; because NOBODY has said anything remotely close to such nonsense...but you keep on lying to yourself.
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RNorm, "Dude, there are other instances where you don't post links; you and I both know that.."

Of course there are. How silly and petty can you be. Of course there are some posts where I do not post links .... this one will probably be one.

ROTFL

On the other hand, YOU hardly ever post links. Yet attack others for not posting links. What a sanctimonious double standard.

You are usually the one that starts it and you are the one that usually keeps it going ad nauseum.

"Do all sin or just homosexuals?

Do all need repentance or just "democrats"?"

ALL and ALL. Period.

But to hear you guys talk, homosexuals are never wrong and they never can be called out for their sin. To do so is homophobic, hater and bigoted. But we know who are the ones truly bigoted and hate filled.

Same with you self righteous Democrats.

SMH

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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 10:53:33 PM

"St. Paul's words to the Romans cover the same sexual immorality Jackson touched on in your link. I knew you wouldn't find anything "hateful" in Paul's words. Jackson's version which you linked us to is not so harsh and unlike Paul, he doesn't say "they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved." or that "God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die"

As you well know, Paul's text in Romans overs a wide swath of sins and doesn't just focus on one:

"And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." (Romans 1:28-32)

That is not the myopic focus on gays and lesbians that Jackson had. But don't take my word for it, lets have some others weigh in:

3. The wickedness of mankind 1:28-32:

The second key word in verse 18, "unrighteousness" (v. 29), reappears at the head of this list of man's sinful practices. It is a general word describing the evil effects in human relations that man's suppressing the knowledge of God produces. In the Greek text there is a wordplay that highlights God's just retribution. As people disapproved of the idea of retaining God in their thinking, so God gave them over to a disapproved mind (v. 28). This letting loose has led to all kinds of illogical and irrational behavior.

"People who have refused to acknowledge God end up with minds that are 'disqualified' from being able to understand and acknowledge the will of God. The result, of course, is that they do things that are 'not proper. ' As in 1:21, Paul stresses that people who have turned from God are fundamentally unable to think and decide correctly about God and his will. This tragic incapacity is the explanation for the apparently inexplicable failure of people to comprehend, let alone practice, biblical ethical principles. Only the work of the Spirit in 'renewing the mind [nous] ' (Rom. 12:2) can overcome this deep- seated blindness and perversity."

Unrighteousness (v. 29; wickedness, NIV) is what is contrary to what is right or just. Wickedness (v. 29; evil, NIV) is what is vile and sinister. Greed (v. 29) is the drive to obtain more. Malice (depravity, NIV) describes resident moral evil. "Insolent" focuses on activities, "arrogant" on thoughts, and "boastful" on words. Most of the rest of these characteristics are self- evident.

"Insolent [v. 30]. Greek hybristes, one who behaves with humiliating and unconscionable arrogance to those who are not powerful enough to retaliate."

The final step down in man's degradation is his promotion of wickedness (v. 32). It is bad to practice these things, but it is even worse to encourage others to practice them.

"Granted that commending evil is not, in the ultimate sense, worse than doing it, it is also true that in a certain respect the person who commits a sin under the influence of strong temptation is less reprehensible than the one who dispassionately agrees with and encourages a sin for which he or she feels no strong attraction him- or herself."
This is the longest list of this type in the New Testament. Its purpose is to show the scope of social evils that results when God hands people over to a depraved mind after they refuse to acknowledge Him. See Matthew 15:19; Galatians 5:19-21; 1 Timothy 1:9-10; and 1 Peter 4:3 for other "vice lists."

Paul's use of the past tense in verses 18-32 suggests that he was viewing humanity historically. Nevertheless his occasional use of the present tense shows that he observed many of these conditions in his own day. He was viewing humankind as a whole, not that every individual has followed this general pattern of departure from God. One expositor labeled the four stages in man's tragic devolution that Paul explained as follows:intelligence (vv. 18-20), ignorance (vv. 21-23), indulgence (vv. 24- 27), and impenitence (vv. 28-32). - (Dr. Constable's Expository Notes, Dr. Thomas L. Constable, 2010 edition)


But lets also go back in time so you know that this is just not modern thinking:

"To do those things which were not meet. As he had hitherto referred only to one instance of abomination, which prevailed indeed among many, but was not common to all, he begins here to enumerate vices from which none could be found free:for though every vice, as it has been said, did not appear in each individual, yet all were guilty of some vices, so that every one might separately be accused of manifest depravity. As he calls them in the first instance not meet, understand him as saying, that they were inconsistent with every decision of reason, and alien to the duties of men:for he mentions it as an evidence of a perverted mind, that men addicted themselves, without any reflection, to those vices, which common sense ought to have led them to renounce.

But it is labor in vain so to connect these vices, as to make them dependent one on another, since this was not Paul's design; but he set them down as they occurred to his mind. What each of them signifies, we shall very briefly explain.

29. Understand by unrighteousness, the violation of justice among men, by not rendering to each his due. I have rendered p?????a?, according to the opinion of Ammonium, wickedness; for he teaches us that p??????, the wicked, is d?ast???? ?a???, the doer of evil. The word (nequitia) then means practiced wickedness, or licentiousness in doing mischief:but maliciousness (malitia) is that depravity and obliquity of mind which leads us to do harm to our neighbour. For the word p???e?a?, which Paul uses, I have put lust, (libidinem.) I do not, however, object, if one prefers to render it fornication; but he means the inward passion as well as the outward act. The words avarice, envy, and murder, have nothing doubtful in their meaning. Under the word strife, (contentione,) he includes quarrels, fightings, and seditions. We have rendered ?a????e?a?, perversity, (perversitatem;) which is a notorious and uncommon wickedness; that is, when a man, covered over, as it were, with hardness, has become hardened in a corrupt course of life by custom and evil habit.

30. The word ?est??e??, means, no doubt, haters of God; for there is no reason to take it in a passive sense, (hated of God,) since Paul here proves men to be guilty by manifest vices. Those, then, are designated, who hate God, whose justice they seem to resist by doing wrong. Whisperers (susurrones) and slanderers (obtrectatores) are to be thus distinguished; the former, by secret accusations, break off the friendships of good men, inflame their minds with anger, defame the innocent, and sow discords; and the latter through an innate malignity, spare the reputation of no one, and, as though they were instigated by the fury of evilspeaking, they revile the deserving as well as the undeserving We have translated ?ß??st??, villanous, (maleficos;) for the Latin authors are wont to call notable injuries villanies, such as plunders, thefts, burnings, and sorceries; and these where the vices which Paul meant to point out here. I have rendered the word ?pe??fa????, used by Paul, insolent, (contumeliosos;) for this is the meaning of the Greek word:and the reason for the word is this, — because such being raised, as it were, on high, look down on those who are, as it were, below them with contempt, and they cannot bear to look on their equals. Haughty are they who swell with the empty wind of overweeningness. Unsociable are those who, by their iniquities, unloose the bands of society, or those in whom there is no sincerity or constancy of faith, who may be called truce- breakers.

31. Without the feelings of humanity are they who have put off the first affections of nature towards their own relations. As he mentions the want of mercy as an evidence of human nature being depraved, Augustine, in arguing against the Stoics, concludes, that mercy is a Christian virtue.

32. Who, knowing the judgement of God, etc. Though this passage is variously explained, yet the following appears to me the correctest interpretation, — that men left nothing undone for the purpose of giving unbridled liberty to their sinful propensities; for having taken away all distinction between good and evil, they approved in themselves and in others those things which they knew displeased God, and would be condemned by his righteous judgment. For it is the summit of all evils, when the sinner is so void of shame, that he is pleased with his own vices, and will not bear them to be reproved, and also cherishes them in others by his consent and approbation. This desperate wickedness is thus described in Scripture:

"They boast when they do evil," (Proverbs 2:14.)

"She has spread out her feet, and gloried in her wickedness," (Ezekiel 16:25.)

For he who is ashamed is as yet healable; but when such an impudence is contracted through a sinful habit, that vices, and not virtues, please us, and are approved, there is no more any hope of reformation. Such, then, is the interpretation I give; for I see that the Apostle meant here to condemn something more grievous and more wicked than the very doing of vices:what that is I know not, except we refer to that which is the summit of all wickedness, — that is, when wretched men, having cast away all shame, undertake the patronage of vices in opposition to the righteousness of God." (CALVIN'S COMMENTARIES)


So you see, its not just Norm saying that God's word addresses ALL of our sins, but commentaries from present times and hundreds of years ago agree that scripture continuously in general, and in this SPECIFIC passage looks at ALL of our sins and doesn't solely focus on one group or one sin (which is what I've said several times herein).






So why do you attribute "hate", and now you, again, add "demonizing" to Jackson's softer words? "

Because that is what he did.

[Edited by: RNorm at 7/21/2014 10:55:01 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 8:05:27 PM

Certainly not. "And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth." (Genesis 7: 6). The Bible says what it says--it's okay with me if you only want to believe the parts of it you like. It's just a book, right?

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 7/21/2014 8:06:29 PM EST]
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Marty - "Noah took 120 years to build that ark" Suuuuuuuuuuuuure he did. Supposedly he lived before we had whatever we call mos=dern medicine. And your still going to say he lived roughly 3 thimes the average lifespan or age at death of people in primitive societies.... Suuuuuuuuure Marty ---- do tell us some more fun stories by all means...
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 7:06:49 PM

"As a scripture scholar, which I am not, you know there ARE scripture verses in which Jesus does focus on particular groups, and on particular sins. Why is it only hateful if Jackson, or any other person for that matter does it. God certainly focused on Onan when he killed him for his sin . Was that hateful??"?


You should know you can't question God, because God is God. Nevertheless, we are NOT God and thus, we can't know all things (as he does) and thus can't take it upon ourselves to be judge, jury and executioner; again ONLY God can do that and NO MAN should even try to pretend that he is as God (that is what got Lucifer in trouble in the 1st place which started this mess that we're now in).

Again, I'll ask, since its been avoided more than once:

Do all sin or just homosexuals?

Do all need repentance or just "democrats"?

God says all, but seems that the Bishop (and many other legalists) focus on selected sins and groups...

Wanted to expound further, but I have a train to catch...Will try to fill in the gaps and respond to more of what you said later...

Until then, Ciao my brother...
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 7:01:08 PM

"Are you that desperate to pick a fight that you would dredge up an old "Breaking News" topic where there were NO links available when I posted it? And as soon as links became available, I posted them. Of course YOU did not!"


You're the one being silly and desperate. Dude, there are other instances where you don't post links; you and I both know that...but I'm not going to waste my time proving to you what you ALREADY know.

Not to mention that the discussion was between Reb and I, and he didn't have a problem with my response, so why are you trying to make something out of nothing (your usual M.O.)????

You need to quit...but I know you will not.

LOL, SMH
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 6:59:43 PM

Thanks for the follow-up MM. God’s kindness is intended to lead us all to repentance.
...
Norm, let's get back to that discussion (which you suggested some of us don't want to have) regarding Jackson's "hateful words" in the link you posted.

St. Paul's words to the Romans cover the same sexual immorality Jackson touched on in your link. I knew you wouldn't find anything "hateful" in Paul's words. Jackson's version which you linked us to is not so harsh and unlike Paul, he doesn't say "they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved." or that "God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die"

So why do you attribute "hate", and now you, again, add "demonizing" to Jackson's softer words?

What words are hateful?

All you've said in answering the question is:

"Here's the difference between the Word of God and the Bishop.
God doesn't focus on one thing or one group of people, or one particular sin:...etc."

The question is what are Jackson's words that you say are hateful, not how are they different from the Word of God. You can't be saying that because that quote doesn't mention other things (other sins?) or other groups of people - his words are hateful. Or, are you? If so, your link selection is self serving. After all, YOU picked the link with that short quote. You could have picked any number of quotes from the complete transcript of his words in the original OP, (which has been posted multiple times) and mentions other sins. But, instead you picked a short quote (which has been repeated ad nauseum by homophile activists elsewhere) from outside the original post.

As a scripture scholar, which I am not, you know there ARE scripture verses in which Jesus does focus on particular groups, and on particular sins. Why is it only hateful if Jackson, or any other person for that matter does it. God certainly focused on Onan when he killed him for his sin . Was that hateful??


[Edited by: no1doc at 7/21/2014 7:01:48 PM EST]
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RNorm, "Um, unlike you, I don't start threads without links, but yet:"

REALLY, RNorm?

Are you that desperate to pick a fight that you would dredge up an old "Breaking News" topic where there were NO links available when I posted it? And as soon as links became available, I posted them. Of course YOU did not!

Are you really that petty and desperate and dishonest?

ROTFL

Why do you constantly pick pick pick and stir up trouble and strife?

Just like another Community Organizer who is unable to do HIS job either and just stirs up strife and division.

SMH

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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 6:03:34 PM

way,way past time
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 6:03:23 PM

Noah took 120 years to build that ark, all the while telling everyone about the impending death to come. Anyone who wanted to be saved was welcome to come into the ark, but only 8 people accepted what was freely available to all.

Everyone dies, and after that the judgement. Accept the salvation freely available through Christ and live.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 7/21/2014 6:03:47 PM EST]
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< RNorm wrote: "No buzz, you need to STOP lying on people of faith because they all don't do what you say they do" >

. Anybody who donates to or in any way supports the religion addiction/psychosis mental illness industry is just as GUILTY as any other evil murderous religious terrorist... they can't exist without other religics paying/paving their way... believing their lies... the person who pays a hitman is just as guilty as the hitman... well, OK, even more so...
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"You need to read the Story of Noah's Ark and count what percent of earth's population DIES in that story and what percent lives and notice it's presented by the religics as a 'good thing' to happen..."


No buzz, you need to STOP lying on people of faith because they all don't do what you say they do and YOUR OPINION does NOT equate to FACTS.

Translation = you've told some whoppers, just like I said you did.

LOL, SMH
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< Buzz: "Ah, RNorm, what are the supposed whoppers I've told? You can't even find one."

< RNorm: "Um, ok Buzz, here you go; two even:" >

"Christianity is a way of living which negatively effects everything we do..."

"religions also promote mass murder, wars, religious terrorism, serial killings..."

"Buddism doesn't promote wars at all..." (not that I'm a Buddist, but simply just to prove you're lying again).

. Ah, RNorm, you present three absolute TRUTHS as "lies" ??? What planet are you from...??? Bet you don't think the sun will come up tomorrow morning, either... you're in for another shock tomorrow... you're as evil and confused as that religic Buzz Aldrin slugs in the face...

. You need to read the Story of Noah's Ark and count what percent of earth's population DIES in that story and what percent lives and notice it's presented by the religics as a 'good thing' to happen...
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"Ah, RNorm, what are the supposed whoppers I've told? You can't even find one."


Um, ok Buzz, here you go; two even:

"Christianity is a way of living which negatively effects everything we do..."


That is an outright LIE.



"religions also promote mass murder, wars, religious terrorism, serial killings..."

Buddism doesn't promote wars at all... (not that I'm a Buddist, but simply just to prove you're lying again).


So Buzz, there you have it...TWO Whoppers...would you like a side of fries and a coke with that???

*ROTFL*
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< RNorm wrote: "Well Buzz, since you've told some whoppers around here yourself, is that all we need to know about you?" >

. Ah, RNorm, what are the supposed whoppers I've told? You can't even find one... And I certainly don't lie for a living like ALL the clergy do...
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 4:21:49 PM

". Bishop Jackson, like all clergy, LIES FOR A LIVING... what more do you need to know about him...???"


Well Buzz, since you've told some whoppers around here yourself, is that all we need to know about you?
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. ALL Christians should leave both parties and leave the USA and move back to the psychotic Middle East where their religion addiction/psychosis mental illness came from originally...

. Bishop Jackson, like all clergy, LIES FOR A LIVING... what more do you need to know about him...???

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"I ... Agree... Bishop E.W. Jackson did not specifically deny in this one instance... But was that due to him admitting that he said those exact words??? or was it due to being asked about this repeatedly ?"

I think he was asked repeatedly because he kept saying he didn't say what he said and then videos kept popping up with him saying what he was continuously denying.







"I ... Agree... he lost the race... and as in many instances, it appears that the opponents, or more appropriately the strategists did a wonderful job making the race about his conservative views and his beliefs..."

Actually, I think the race became one where people had to ask themselves if he feels that strongly about some virginians, (i.e., demonizing them as he has in various speeches and sermons), can he be trusted to uphold their rights and violate his own beliefs in the process? And again, many Virginians simply did not believe that he could do that, so he lost.







"Is that what you are referring to???"

No, I'm referring to his demonization of gays and others he does't agree with. And he's not the only person of faith that does that either...In fact, there are several posters here who demonize ANY AND EVERYONE that doesn't blindly march in lockstep with them.




[Edited by: RNorm at 7/21/2014 3:56:22 PM EST]
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"PS: I didn't "attack" reb and he knows that, so no need of trying to interject your crap where there is no need for it:"




Well if you did Rnorm, it was not effective... since I was not offended...Though we still do not seem to agree on many issues... :-)





"Not speculating at all.

And as the Bishop himself stated when asked about it, he didn't deny what he said, but simply cited the Virginia constitution where his religious beliefs and speech are protected..."



I ... Agree... Bishop E.W. Jackson did not specifically deny in this one instance... But was that due to him admitting that he said those exact words??? or was it due to being asked about this repeatedly ? You don't always respond to the same questions you at times... (just showing example... not attacking you)...





"which is fine...but I don't think the voters in Virginia agreed with his words or his defense of them, so he lost the election."


I ... Agree... he lost the race... and as in many instances, it appears that the opponents, or more appropriately the strategists did a wonderful job making the race about his conservative views and his beliefs... Which the democtrats due well... I will grant you that one... Oh, and as in all races, it is the people that voted, which actually is unfortunately a small percentage of the people able to vote (a comment on our society, and the negaive campaigning.... don't read more into this than was intended)...





"I don't think the Bishop was using much grace in the videos of his speech posted on youtube..."



If you refer to the video above, extending grace to the Democrat party platform, Planned Parenthood, then I agree, not much grace extended to that platform (that he details) or the organization that is aborting so many minority babies... Is that what you are referring to???

[Edited by: reb4 at 7/21/2014 10:04:52 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2014 11:39:46 PM

"reb, because he does not post links while he attacks other people mercilessly as he falsly says that do not post links."


Um, unlike you, I don't start threads without links, but yet:

This is the guy who starts threads with no links, but want to talk about people not posting links????


See to thine own house and while you're at it, don't trip over that forked tongue.

PS: I didn't "attack" reb and he knows that, so no need of trying to interject your crap where there is no need for it:

"Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth. As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife." (Proverbs 26:20-21)
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reb, because he does not post links while he attacks other people mercilessly as he falsly says that do not post links.

ROTFL

It is what it is, I guess. never will change.

His excuse? --- "when I provide a link for you, you dismiss it by saying its a biased left site."

Well, he at at least ADMITS what he links to.

"I'll just pass, without condemning."

ROTFL

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"As for standing Bishop E.W. Jackson, I think I'll just stick to what I know he said... but you can speculate.... But if you feel the reports are more believable, even though they can't produce the audio, go for it..."


Not speculating at all.

And as the Bishop himself stated when asked about it, he didn't deny what he said, but simply cited the Virginia constitution where his religious beliefs and speech are protected...which is fine...but I don't think the voters in Virginia agreed with his words or his defense of them, so he lost the election.

Further on that point, scripture says:

"Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person." (Colossians 4:5-6)

I don't think the Bishop was using much grace in the videos of his speech posted on youtube...

But hey, he's your guy, so you stick with him...I'll just pass, without condemning.

Goodnight.
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2014 10:59:05 PM

I'm not sure I am following you Rnorm... If someone had an audio, where is it?

there is no link to the audio...
CLosest I got was the audio that I posted... 30 some minutes long... It was actually linked from another site.... not liking that the Bishop believed Jesus claim that Jesus was the Only way...
Imagine, a Christian that believed in that....

yea, there are people on both sides ... left and right... that will attack someone... and will ..... LIE ..... DECEIVE ..... MISREPRESENT....

And you do know that... Cause you have said it before...As for standing by Bishop E.W. Jackson, I think I'll just stick to what I know he said... but you can speculate.... But if you feel the reports are more believable, even though they can't produce the audio, go for it...


[Edited by: reb4 at 7/20/2014 11:03:21 PM EST]
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"And since it is "all over" YouTube, it would be ever so easy to post even ONE link to back up his statement.

But did he?"



So quick to score partisan points, that you missed this eh:

"(besides, generally when I provide a link for you, you dismiss it by saying its a biased left site...LOL)"

And you also missed this as well:

"If you think the guy is without fault or blemish when it comes to his incendiary language...then you go right on ahead and run with him...

I'll just pass (and no I'm not condemning him either)..."

Not that I'm surprised or anything...as someone else astutely pointed out:

"Your personal attack style will always turn more people away from your position than it will bring people in."
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RNorm, " Its all over youtube..."

And since it is "all over" YouTube, it would be ever so easy to post even ONE link to back up his statement.

But did he?

;-)

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"RNorm, I’m pretty sure? So you condemn the guy because you are “pretty sure…” and when I asked you for the context that's it? Wow, Just WOW!!!"


Seems to be that if someone has audio of the Bishop saying what you and he denies he said, then they're taking it out of context?? There are simply too many instances of his making outlandish statements and then saying he didn't say it or was taking out of context. Its all over youtube...

If you think the guy is without fault or blemish when it comes to his incendiary language...then you go right on ahead and run with him...

I'll just pass (and no I'm not condemning him either)...
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“Well, I'm not going to order his videos/cds when there are sites that have reported on his church, his sermons, etc...but of course, you want full transcripts of whatever he says, and I'm not about to do that. It was easier to find such things when he was running for office and he was under more scrutiny...but since he lost and fell off the radar, its not as easy to find such things now. (besides, generally when I provide a link for you, you dismiss it by saying its a biased left site...LOL)

Moreover, if it was a sermon, then I'm pretty sure he wasn't being taken out of context...”

RNorm, I’m pretty sure? So you condemn the guy because you are “pretty sure…” and when I asked you for the context that's it? Wow, Just WOW!!!

I got this interview from the link you posted…Jul 15, 2014 10:45:07 PM (CDST)…
It is the interview on the subject that Mr. Jackson denied the quote that some here have condemned… Mr. Jackson for saying… He denied it (which is what the link Rnorm provided actually indicated as well)…


Where Bishop Jackson denied the quote referenced



Here is the sermon (audio only) of which the terrible comments were made..audio of sermon September 22, 2013






SMH

[Edited by: reb4 at 7/20/2014 3:28:39 PM EST]
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"I wont speak for those who profess to be Christian but I feel it is time for any rational person to leave the Democrat party."

I think the above statement is fair and honest. It is a valid political point of view. BUT as soon as one adds religion to the political statement -- the zombie that is created haunts the political process because religious beliefs are supposed to be on a different order than mere politics. Those, like the bishop who mix the two especially for his own selfish political purposes (he was running for Lieutenant Gov at the time) cheapen both his religion and his politics and assassinate all claims to character of which even his supporters should see through...
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"Uh... Yea..... I think you need a refresher on the Scripture sir...."


Um, I'm pretty good with scripture, actually. Moreover, my point was simply that Balaam accepted that the donkey was talking and didn't even ask 'how is this possible?' before starting in on beating the donkey.

Whereas here today, we (most or all of us) immediately dimiss what a person or a site is saying if we don't agree with their politics.






"I do agree that, this message was used in other areas with an intent to harm those people... but I don't think that was the intent."

Then why say it? There is a way to shed the light of truth on a situation without demonizing people; i.e., one can correct without having to be offensive.
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"Well, I'm not going to order his videos/cds when there are sites that have reported on his church, his sermons, etc...but of course, you want full transcripts of whatever he says, and I'm not about to do that. It was easier to find such things when he was running for office and he was under more scrutiny...but since he lost and fell off the radar, its not as easy to find such things now. "

So iow, it's ok to criticize EW Jackson for what he said, and you don't want to be confused by any details? Come on... I know your better than that...




"As adults, we should all be able to glean truth from wherever the site is and filter out the bias; right? I mean did Balaam dismiss what the donkey said because the donkey said it? I think not..."

Uh... Yea..... I think you need a refresher on the Scripture sir....
"30 The donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?”

“No,” he said.

31 Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell facedown.

32 The angel of the Lord asked him, “Why have you beaten your donkey these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is a reckless one before me.[a] 33 The donkey saw me and turned away from me these three times. If it had not turned away, I would certainly have killed you by now, but I would have spared it.”

34 Balaam said to the angel of the Lord, “I have sinned. I did not realize you were standing in the road to oppose me. Now if you are displeased, I will go back.”




Used to love to teach that scripture in Sunday School... By the way... it was only because the fear of the Angel (and I do believe this was one scary dude... much scarier looking then your avatar)..... :-)





"And I think its wrong for people of Christ to demonize those they're SUPPOSED to be reaching. That's not really an effective way to evangelize, ya know?"




I do agree that, this message was used in other areas with an intent to harm those people... but I don't think that was the intent. I believe E.W. Bishop's intent was to shed light on the fact that we (Christians... followers of Jesus the Christ .... should not be devoted to a party .... And I think some others are seeing that fact ....




And the reason I quoted the quote from Reverend Martin Luther King:

"The church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state, but rather the conscience of the state. It must be the guide and the critic of the state, and never its tool"

I think it's fair to say that we could substitute "Christians" with "church" and it would be a fair assessment of the meaning reverend King intended....



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"Rnorm, how do you know the Bishop is only against certain sins? Have you talked to him personally, or done any research outside of the media reports?"


Well, I'm not going to order his videos/cds when there are sites that have reported on his church, his sermons, etc...but of course, you want full transcripts of whatever he says, and I'm not about to do that. It was easier to find such things when he was running for office and he was under more scrutiny...but since he lost and fell off the radar, its not as easy to find such things now. (besides, generally when I provide a link for you, you dismiss it by saying its a biased left site...LOL)

Moreover, if it was a sermon, then I'm pretty sure he wasn't being taken out of context...








"Rnorm, I was hoping you would find it so I don't have to read all the left slanted sites... You know like you posted that Link to a site that reads Fox... so you don't have to .... :-)LOL"

As adults, we should all be able to glean truth from wherever the site is and filter out the bias; right? I mean did Balaam dismiss what the donkey said because the donkey said it? I think not...And in the same vein, just because a person has a liberal or conservative leaning, doesn't mean they can't accurately report a sermon, a statement, a current event; etc. You know, that "dismiss the message because you don't like the messenger" thingy you guys are always talking about.






"Comes from a sermon (gotta love this topic being in the Politics category... PTL)....Back on the subject, I think it's wrong for a follower of Christ to belong to any political party... I think the church, or believers need to be the light."

And I think its wrong for people of Christ to demonize those they're SUPPOSED to be reaching. That's not really an effective way to evangelize, ya know?
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 3:36:23 PM

sorry, got to make this portion a little clearer...

"The church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state, but rather the conscience of the state. It must be the guide and the critic of the state, and never its tool"





I read this quote in another book that I am reading.... a couple of days ago... I think it appropriate here for the "Christians" or the "Catholic" ... IE the Church of Christ... I honestly do not look for this stuff it's just falls from above... :-)



Apologize for the late editing...
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"Here's the difference between the Word of God and the Bishop.

God doesn't focus on one thing or one group of people, or one particular sin:"



Rnorm, how do you know the Bishop is only against certain sins? Have you talked to him personally, or done any research outside of the media reports?
A Knock at Midnight **


"The church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state, but rather the conscience of the state. It must be the guide and the critic of the state, and never its tool"I read this quote in another book that I am reading.... a couple of days ago... I think it appropriate here for the "Christians" or the "Catholic" ... IE the Church of Christ... I honestly do not look for this stuff it's just falls from above... :-)

Comes from a sermon (gotta love this topic being in the Politics category... PTL)....Back on the subject, I think it's wrong for a follower of Christ to belong to any political party... I think the church, or believers need to be the light.

Now, do we do it the right way all the time??? No... I know I don't.

But should we be condoning lusting, because it's the thing to do? Nope...

Should we be making jokes? or telling crude jokes?

Nope...
By the way, any updates on the original quote that from the context of the sermon... or a video... Someone must have it since it's all over the left... Rnorm, I was hoping you would find it so I don't have to read all the left slanted sites... You know like you posted that Link to a site that reads Fox... so you don't have to .... :-)LOL
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 12:49:16 PM

Read past Romans 1: 32

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 11:36:59 AM

Here's the difference between the Word of God and the Bishop.

God doesn't focus on one thing or one group of people, or one particular sin:

"Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too." (NLT)

Because as I said earlier, ALL have sinned, including the Bishop, including me and including you.

When you focus on one group of people and try to act as if they're the only people sinning when clearly, the bible says otherwise, then you miss the mark as well as the message.

So, yes, the Bishop is wrong in his message...but of course, you'll keep defending him...even though scripture does not single out one group of people like you're defending the bishop doing...

And yes, the Word is a wonderful gift that God gave us...

[Edited by: RNorm at 7/17/2014 11:38:17 AM EST]
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Norm, "Is clear that when the Bishop says what you agree with, then you'll post it over and over and over and will ONLY want to discuss that...but when he uses hateful words that Jesus would NEVER say, then the the discussion goes back to what he says that you agree with."
......

From Norm's link, following the above comment:

Jackson: "Their minds are perverted, they’re frankly very sick people psychologically, mentally and emotionally and they see everything through the lens of homosexuality. When they talk about love they’re not talking about love, they’re talking about homosexual sex. So they can’t see clearly."

I assume, like Reb, that this quote is what you were referring to as "hateful words" from Jackson. There's nothing hateful in those words. Given the topic and the group he was speaking to, he could just as well have used the following words Scripture:

"Romans 1:18-32

But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too." (NLT)

The Word of the Lord,
Thanks be to God.
...........

Any "hateful words" in that Scripture? I don't see 'em. Ditto for Jackson's version. Most honsest folks would admit Jackson's version is the softer of the two.



[Edited by: no1doc at 7/17/2014 11:10:24 AM EST]
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"If you still think you’re independent, "

1st off BT, let's define "Independent voter"... "Independent voter"...
"The definition of an "independent voter" is controversial and fraught with implications.

"The earliest concept of independents is of a person whose political choices, by definition, were made based on issues and candidates (due to lack of party affiliation). Furthermore, early studies of voting behavior conclusively demonstrated that self-identified independent voters are less interested in specific elections than partisan voters, poorly informed about issues and candidates, and less active politically. However, a contrary view emerged: The independent usually voted on the basis of deeply ingrained beliefs, attitudes and loyalties, and is more like the strongly partisan voter than any other voter (or the idealized "independent")"
I am not affiliated, nor have I contributed to any specific party.

How about you ???? "Then how many times have you voted Democrat in let’s say the last 8 elections?"
Does Governor count? I voted democrat for Glen Poshard for Governor against George Ryan because of his views and my concerns about corruption that began to surface about George Ryan ....
"How many times have you supported a liberal POV on this forum? (I’ve never seen it if you have.) What liberal policies DO you agree with"

LOL BT, I've actually posted right near you on some of the comments about green vehicles ... I own a Prius, and have what some people believe are "liberal" views on vehicles... and requirements on fuel efficient vehicles. I actually have "mellowed" some on my views on S.U.V.'s You should be able to check that out... you've been here posting far before Dec 2012.
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"Is clear that when the Bishop says what you agree with, then you'll post it over and over and over and will ONLY want to discuss that...but when he uses hateful words that Jesus would NEVER say, then the the discussion goes back to what he says that you agree with."Rnorm, give me the quote, in context that you wish to discuss... It appears as though the quote you condemmed him for was from preaching to his congregation.. Just like to hear it in context.. That was my question..

Thanks for the link... I appreciate it...
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"LOL, Rnorm, would like a link or video of the context of these "quotes" before I comment. You should have that available, correct? You passed judgement E.W. Jackson already, correct, sir.?"


They've been available for a long time and were posted in this thread more than once, so no need to do it again.

Is clear that when the Bishop says what you agree with, then you'll post it over and over and over and will ONLY want to discuss that...but when he uses hateful words that Jesus would NEVER say, then the the discussion goes back to what he says that you agree with.

This has happened about 3-4 times during the duration of this thread, which each time you all defending the messenger...when the point was such hateful words diminishes the message (and is probably why he lost the election):



Bishop E.W. Jackson could not escape the spectre of his previous controversial statements and despite his best effort to clarify his record he did not have the resources or the time to overcome the damage.
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 11:19:28 PM

"LOL, what's comical is the avoidance of the Bishop's hateful words...(which has happened several times)..."





LOL, Rnorm, would like a link or video of the context of these "quotes" before I comment. You should have that available, correct? You passed judgement E.W. Jackson already, correct, sir.?
Also interested in the CPAC comments from Bishop E.W. Jackson...






Was there something that you thought was hateful in the link or transcript provided by no1doc or myself?



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I wont speak for those who profess to be Christian but I feel it is time for any rational person to leave the Democrat party.
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 11:03:32 PM

LOL, what's comical is the avoidance of the Bishop's hateful words...(which has happened several times)...
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"This topic has surpassed its usefulness 10X over"

se3.5, yet people continue to flock and post to it... Its actually comical how it goes in spurts...

The topic was begun by a man in the christian category...and middletownmarty asked for the topic be moved to the U.S> Politicol topic which the mods honored... LOL if it had stayed in the christian Category, would have stopped in November... Reminds me Joesph's reply to his brothers recorded in Genesis 50:20...

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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 4:46:53 PM

This topic has surpassed its usefulness 10X over.
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Welp, I guess there will be no further discussion about the Bishop's words, but rather, red-herrings of "Uncle Toms" or more talk about "attacking the messenger" (yet ignoring his message)...so we might as well talk about Nuri Al-Maliki and the terrors he unleashed on Iraq, resulting in Isis rising up and overrunning most of Northern Iraq...

LOL, SMH
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"Yeah, besides that, Jackson MUST be an Uncle Tom!"

The Klan is not known to have many Black members -- they would more likely whole hardheartedly endorse the words of the Failed GOP Lieutenant Gov candidate than most blacks. Perhaps you meant that Jackson must be a Kousin Kevin? Perhaps he thought he was running for Grand Dragon of VA (the true Statewide office that best fit his political platform and agenda?)
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