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no1doc

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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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AnotherOne
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WOW!

Now RNorm comes out against one of his fellow liberals.

There might be hope that some liberals are starting to wake up to how wrong they have been.

;-)

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 12:07:50 AM

""Many of those atheists/non-Christians are as or more knowledgeable about Christianity than many Christians, since they made a conscious choice after careful examination.""


Anyone who has "carefully examined" the love of God as revealed through scripture, and thereafter rejected God and yet claims to be either as or more knowledgeable about Christianity than someone who looked at the same revelation of God and accepted what others rejected, is speaking falsely as well as foolishly because they made a willful choice to close God's door in their own face.


But don't take my word for it, read it for yourself and see that the Bible says the same:

"The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” (Psalm 14:1)

“Son of man, speak to your people and say to them, If I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from among them, and make him their watchman, and if he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows the trumpet and warns the people, then if anyone who hears the sound of the trumpet does not take warning, and the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet and did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But if he had taken warning, he would have saved his life." (Ezekiel 33:2-5)

“Hear then the parable of the sower: When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path. As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy, yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful" (Matthew 13:18-22)


Indeed.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:36:38 PM



Iammeca, "Does 30 years mission work count?"

Very intriguing.

Tell us more.

And tell us your reaction to your fellow liberal MTMarty attacking you so viciously.

I will say more about if it 'counts' later.


[Edited by: AnotherOne at 10/30/2014 9:41:21 PM EST]
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MTMarty, "It's hard to believe there exist folks so utterly foolish as to reject the love of God by which He extends not only full pardon but also power to live righteously, yet there they are. What a shame. What an utterly terrible waste.ROTFL

And MTMarty makes a smackdown attack on one of his fellow liberals!

ROTFL

I agree with you MTMarty that it is the epitome of foolishness when someone rejects God's love.

"The fool says in his heart, "There is no God.""

But it is amazing to see you so viciously attack a fellow liberal.

SMH

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:27:33 PM

"Does 30 years mission work count?"

Not necessarily.

"And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing." --1 Corinthians 13: 3

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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:20:44 PM

Things that me you go hmmmm, so are you saying atheists/non-christians are an utterly terrible waste?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:10:20 PM

"Many of those atheists/non-Christians are as or more knowledgeable about Christianity than many Christians, since they made a conscious choice after careful examination."

And they will bear responsibility for that conscious choice. It's hard to believe there exist folks so utterly foolish as to reject the love of God by which He extends not only full pardon but also power to live righteously, yet there they are. What a shame. What an utterly terrible waste.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/30/2014 9:11:05 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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MTMarty, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven"

Amen.

And AMEN!

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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:56:51 PM

"I find it humorous that the atheists/non-Christians around here are always lecturing us about what Christianity is and what it believes."

Many of those atheists/non-Christians are as or more knowledgeable about Christianity than many Christians, since they made a conscious choice after careful examination.

"Try it sometime.

You might like it."

Does 30 years mission work count?

[Edited by: IammeCA at 10/30/2014 8:57:31 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:48:31 PM

""The 2 most common phrases in heaven will be: "Where's (insert name)?" and "What's he/she doing here?" LOL! Bingo and Boom!!!"



That is an interesting perspective, along with your comment about "being surprises"...- I don't believe there will be any "surprises" in heaven...


Maybe for those not in Heaven... ( I don't agree that the goats are in heaven when the parable takes place).


Don't think there will be much worrying about who is in Heaven... more being overwhelmed by His Presence and that We are IN Heaven...


- Matthew 22:29-30 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

- 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

as to most common phrases in heaven....


Revelation 7:9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

HOly, Holy, Holy is the Lamb....


[Edited by: reb4 at 10/30/2014 8:50:41 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:37:30 PM

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven"
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AnotherOne
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I don't find your lack of interest in Christianity humorous at all.

I find it humorous that the atheists/non-Christians around here are always lecturing us about what Christianity is and what it believes.

ROTFL

ROTFL

Try it sometime.

You might like it.

Then at least when you face God you can at least say you tried His product and you didn't like it. Not that he needs an excuse.

ROTFL



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 10/30/2014 8:08:52 PM EST]
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IammeCA
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:04:38 PM

"Probably not much danger of that.

ROTFL"

Interesting that you find someones lack of interest in Christianity a source of amusement.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 7:57:11 PM



Iammeca, "I want no part in the religion of someone who would say that."

Probably not much danger of that.

ROTFL

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 7:16:17 PM

"The 2 most common phrases in heaven will be: "Where's (insert name)?" and "What's he/she doing here?"


LOL! Bingo and Boom!!!
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 7:04:59 PM

passer, you and I have gone over this point for years in the Religious Debates...

Your point ..." not as political as some Christian ministers and does not condemn members of the "wrong" party to Christian Eternal Hell as quickly either."

So I will repeat again...No human sends any person to hell...I do not care what someone says...eternity is God's business and the human he is talking to.... So if a human tells you are going to hell, ask him/her, if they, are God? Your eternity is the business of God and You.


[Edited by: mexicomaria at 10/30/2014 7:05:53 PM EST]
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IammeCA
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 7:04:44 PM

A Scottish pastor once told me,

The 2 most common phrases in heaven will be: "Where's (insert name)?" and "What's he/she doing here?"
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“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" --Matthew 7: 21-23
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"I want no part in the religion of someone who would say that."


There will always be those who appoint themselves as "examiners" so they can proclaim who is and who isn't a christian based on their OWN personal criteria...

But this one thing I know, and that is I am SURE there will be some surprises in heaven:

1. Some people who many said are not christians will find those "fake saints" there in heaven; and

2. Some people who many insisted were christians, will find those "true saints" not in heaven...

But don't take my word for it:

"And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:33-46)

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IammeCA
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 5:55:26 PM

"I'm beginning to wonder if they ever were Christians."

I want no part in the religion of someone who would say that.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 4:54:33 PM

"I am betting there are Christians and heathens in both parties."

Yes, and God Forbid any American Party have a monopoly on either!

Let us not use Iran and Iraq as shining examples of how religiously pure a political party must be. Let Christianity learn from Muslim countries' poor example and not duplicate their devil and transplant him here!

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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 7:09:24 AM

I am betting there are Christians and heathens in both parties.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 2:04:52 AM

"Remember the living God lives in Christians in the form of the Holy Spirit."

Hopefully, the Holy Spirit is not as political as some Christian ministers and does not condemn members of the "wrong" party to Christian Eternal Hell as quickly either.
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 7:48:04 PM

Passer, you need a very good Bible Study in Judgement, and what the Bible means about judgement.

I recommend Bible Study Fellowship. IT is tied to no organized church. It is a seven year commitment but wonderful Bible, History, and archaeology study. It is held in churches in some cities but is not tied to church. It is International...I knew three folks that are on GB now, that have been to Bible Study Fellowship.

You will understand the word Judgement from a Biblical prospectus then.

Remember the living God lives in Christians in the form of the Holy Spirit.

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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 3:57:10 PM

Passer, do you have a stuttering problem????




Also, you forgot this gem you posted earlier ....Passer Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 11:20:11 AM: "Since you have shown you know more than God and are a better Judge, perhaps you have made a deal with your friend from the other side (Satan) on which Democrats you both (and all backsliding Republicans) have judged to go to hell?

Are you prepared to name names, Judge???

(In the name of God, for your sin which you don't recognize, I hereby Rebuke you)"


Passer, What in the world were you attempting to communicate????

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/29/2014 3:57:38 PM EST]
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Passer>> "Let God judge the sinners,

Not Republicans!!

(even though they think they are better)"


"Oh the ARROGANCE of liberals." >>A1

Just imagine letting God be the one to judge instead of A1 and Republicans!!

"Oh the ARROGANCE of liberals."


"Oh the ARROGANCE of liberals."


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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 11:41:06 PM

just come back to God
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maryanneusa
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 5:24:11 PM

Oh goshie Mr. "Knight" in armor, did you go talk with the pastor I mentioned? If you didn't, you yourself should examine if you are, don't worry about id I am.
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 12:56:32 PM

well, the reason I posted to this thread, is their are at least two Black, professing Christians who have chosen to publically endorse the Republican candidate over the Democratic incumbent Governor...

See if it makes a difference...

As for being a "Christian"... Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.



Romans 3:28 (NIV) For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.



John 3:18 (NIV)

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.


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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 12:32:53 PM



ROTFL

Isn't it ever so funny to watch liberals all of a sudden become experts on Christianity and the Bible?!

ROTFL

Liberals are the quintessential judgmental people!

They are always telling everyone else that they are wrong and that the liberal view of the world is the only view.

They are always telling everyone else how they have to live their lives.

They are always telling everyone else what is politically correct and what is not.

They are always telling everyone else how much better THEY are than everyone else.

So it is ever so entertaining to see two liberals pontificate on things they know nothing of.

ROTFL

And the liberal pontificators and judges even presume to rebuke other people and even question whether or not they are Christians. Of course to a liberal, that would not be considered "JUDGING" since liberals are permitted to judge everyone and everything.

ROTFL

Oh the ARROGANCE of liberals.

SMH


[Edited by: AnotherOne at 10/25/2014 12:35:39 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 12:21:52 PM

"I'm beginning to wonder if they ever were Christians."

Better for you seriously to inquire whether you are yourself.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/25/2014 12:22:38 PM EST]
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"I'm beginning to wonder if they ever were Christians."

If one reads and understands the Bible, it is God who is the Judge.

REPUBLICANS have always known that they have always done and can do a better job at it! They have not "heard" "Judge Not!..."

Watch their next Platform, they will tell you where God has failed!


maryannusa, "I'm beginning to wonder if they ever were Christians."

Since you have shown you know more than God and are a better Judge, perhaps you have made a deal with your friend from the other side (Satan) on which Democrats you both (and all backsliding Republicans) have judged to go to hell?

Are you prepared to name names, Judge???

(In the name of God, for your sin which you don't recognize, I hereby Rebuke you)
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 11:24:28 AM

I'm beginning to wonder if they ever were Christians.
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 10:47:36 AM



wbacon, I agree!

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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 4:56:52 AM

WAY past time for any body of religious persuasion to LEAVE THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.
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"Taking a dig at Quinn, Meeks opines: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. ... Why would we do the same thing again?"Black Chicago pastor and former democratic Illinois senator endorses Rebuplican candidate for governor
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"So just because God gives us freewill and therefore the ability to sin, we have the "right" to sin?"
...

That idea is just bad theology.
It's difficult for any Christian with an understanding of Salvation history, the purpose for Christ's Incarnation, and Passion, and what it means to be born again to get their mind around that kind of reasoning.

We've seen similar arguments made by atheists but, in their case, it's understandable; they can't be expected to have have any complete understanding of the Faith.

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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:14:27 AM

Let God judge the sinners,

Not Republicans!!

(even though they think they are better)
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:11:54 AM

God gave us free will.

Woe to any man who tries to take it away!
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"So just because God gives us freewill and therefore the ability to sin, we have the "right" to sin?"


I never said that. Again, I said we have the right to choose; and even showed that scripture supports that right to choose as well.

I guess since people are saying things I have not, then they must agree that people do have the right to choose...

Um, ok.
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 8:50:05 PM

So just because God gives us freewill and therefore the ability to sin, we have the "right" to sin?

GTH
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"Is it really that simple?"

Yes it is.

Every person has been given right to choose and that is what you have a problem with. Starting with Adam and Eve, they were told not to eat of the tree, but yet, inherently had the choice whether or not to obey that instruction. Sadly they chose poorly and we all suffer. Nevertheless, God did not force them to obey, he set the choice before them and it was their choice to make.

And so it is with every single person, male or female, on the planet. Each of us have the choice to do good or evil with our lives; no one can make that choice for us, nor should any think they can take that choice away from anyone else. To wit, while I may not like, agree or approve of choices others make for their lives, it yet is THEIR choice to make; and the consequences of those choices are also theirs to bear, not mine. But hey, don't take my word for it, Moses put it best:

"“For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it. “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil. If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you today, by loving the Lord your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his rules, then you shall live and multiply, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take possession of it. But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”" (Deuteronomy 30:11-20)

Bingo and Boom.






"God never gave us the right to commit adultery (or any other sin). Quite the opposite, God clearly gave us the right to expect fidelity from our spouses. It's implicit in the Commandment, Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery; it's also explicit in our natural marriage (which God also gave us) vows. How could He then give us the "right" to commit adultery? He'd be contradicting Himself. He knows full well that a house divided against itself cannot stand. Choosing adultery (or any sin) isn't a right. It's a personal decision/choice we make. It's a weakness of our fallen nature. We keep nibbling at that forbidden fruit, pushing God away, refusing His Graces."

Again, I never said God gives us the right to sin, but rather that God gives us the right to choose (see my points above and the citation from Deut. 30); and sometimes in those choices, we choose to sin (yes, EVERYBODY makes that choice at some time or another).






"Did God really give your son the right to "choose differently than you" and disobey you?"


Again if my son chooses to disobey me and take my car and totals it, then he chose poorly and will have to bear the consequences for that poor choice; but again, good or bad, it was HIS choice. And in fact, he may actually shorten his days on the earth by making such a choice when said choice leads to fatal injuries suffered from a crash that totaled my car.
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 12:12:39 PM

Norm, " The right to choose how to live one's life comes from the creator. Its pretty simple."
...
Is it really that simple? He gave us the RIGHT to freely chose what is right but, He gave us the FREE WILL to chose what is wrong. He gave us a choice. Choosing rightly is a right, choosing wrongly is a wrong.

God told our first parents they could eat from any tree in the garden but, not from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If they ate from that tree, God said they would die.

He set boundaries and consequences. Loving fathers do that. He set before them (as He sets before us) good and evil, life and death. He tells us to chose life. Was their choice of evil a right, or was it just a bad choice?

We've always looked upon God given rights as worthy of defending. If you think Adam and Eve's choice of evil was a right, will you defend it? If so, what's the defense? Eve's defense was, "The serpent beguiled me and I did eat." (No claim of any right there just, "the Devil made me do it"). Adam, the wimp, in essence blamed God, more specifically blaming, "...the woman You gave me". "(See what You made me do?")

But God didn't buy either defense then and there's no reason to believe He'd buy your, "The right to choose how to live one's life comes from the creator. "

Natural rights (God given rights) flow from God's Commandments; and the responsibilities they entail are clearly apparent. The responsibilities that flow from God given rights are in themselves virtuous, like the rights themselves.

God never gave us the right to commit adultery (or any other sin). Quite the opposite, God clearly gave us the right to expect fidelity from our spouses. It's implicit in the Commandment, Thou Shall Not Commit Adultery; it's also explicit in our natural marriage (which God also gave us) vows. How could He then give us the "right" to commit adultery? He'd be contradicting Himself. He knows full well that a house divided against itself cannot stand. Choosing adultery (or any sin) isn't a right. It's a personal decision/choice we make. It's a weakness of our fallen nature. We keep nibbling at that forbidden fruit, pushing God away, refusing His Graces.

God given rights come with responsibilities to act for good - what responsibility comes with fornication or adultery? The responsibility not to get caught? Or not to contract an STD? The responsibilities that flow from God given rights are in themselves virtuous, like the rights themselves.

If God actually gave us the right to sin, how could a just God condemn the exercise of those supposed "rights" ?

God given rights enable us to do good not evil.

Norm, " If you don't like that He gave others the rights to choose differently than you; then take it up with the Lord."

Did God really give your son the right to "choose differently than you" and disobey you?
Imagine forbidding your underage son to drive the family car. He totals the car and tells dad he chose differently than you and, "If you don't like it, take it up with the Lord."

Of course God gave him no such right. He gave you the right to be honored by your son and He gave your son the responsibility of giving you that honor, "so that his days may be long on this earth."

Pope Pius XII said that the greatest sin of our time is "to have lost all sense of sin,"


[Edited by: no1doc at 8/26/2014 12:14:14 PM EST]
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"Tolerance is the last virtue of a man with no convictions." - GK Chesterton

But once Republicans are Indicted, they seem to have no trouble getting their convictions!

But to their "credit" they are never even accused of "Tolerance".

Hypocrites, (when they call themselves "Christian") seldom are.
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"Tolerance is the last virtue of a man with no convictions." - GK Chesterton
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Thanks for that answer Norm. Glad you agree that rights come from God. I haven't been ignoring you, just working on a proper response for you which is taking some time. - more to follow
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"It was still legal to kill people for not succumbing to religion addiction/psychosis before the USA was officially formed, so Jefferson had to be careful what he said early on and how he said it..."


Well Buzz, the Declaration was written (1776) long before your quote (1787), and by then the colonies were free from England's grasp and governed by the Articles of Confederation. Not to mention that his acknowledgement of God that A1 and I pointed out to you was after that (circa 1807), so there was no longer a need to be careful about anything as by then the Constitution and all its freedoms were the law of the land (since 1790).

Thus, if he didn't believe in God in his earlier life, its pretty clear that he did in his latter days, just like many of us today...

So again Buzzy, you're just wrong.
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. It was still legal to kill people for not succumbing to religion addiction/psychosis before the USA was officially formed, so Jefferson had to be careful what he said early on and how he said it...

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
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Here is what Thomas Jefferson DID say...

"“Among the most inestimable of our blessings is that … of liberty to worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support.”– Thomas Jefferson, Reply to Baptist Address, 1807"

Thomas Jefferson and "Worshipping Our Creator"

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Buzzer, "he made sure freedom from religion was a founding premise of the USA and his state of Virginia... "

Oh did he?

Care to back that up?

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