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no1doc

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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 7:12:57 PM

Bishop E.W. Jackson Message to Black Christians

"It is time for a mass exodus of Christians out of the Democrat Party…

My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians.

It is time to turn our backs on them."

~ Bishop E. W. Jackson, founder and current president of S.T.A.N.D.
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So what do you think? Is it time?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 1:55:28 PM

Beyond Red vs. Blue: The Political Typology

No1doc, the above link is the original pew Research.

Troller Diesel is the one that posted the quote I that Sgm4law posted..
"Just as it is possible that there are people who profess belief in God, seeking absolution for absolutely immoral activities. "




Sqm4law, is it that you feel these people are not sincere? or just the general concept of grace for heinous "sins" or is it that repeat "sinners" are to easily going back and are not "sincere".

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no1doc
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 12:57:54 PM

sgm4law, do you have a link for that Pew study? I recently saw a study they did with shifting religion demographics. Is the same?
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 7:22:42 PM

Good points. And those that replaced morality with Christianity.

Or simply don't understand what morality is.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 6:21:35 PM

Oh, I think it's interesting, too.

<<However, things were radically different among the voters that Pew researchers labeled the “Faith and Family Left.” In this crowd — the survey’s most racially and ethnically diverse camp — an stunning 91 percent of those polled saw a connection between morality and belief in God.">>

it's interesting that these things are treated as not overlapping positions. It is possible to see a connection between morality and belief in God, while not thinking it is requisite for morality.

Just as it is possible that there are people who profess belief in God, seeking absolution for absolutely immoral activities.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 6:16:11 PM

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).

IOW, Sola Scriptura.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 5:57:36 PM

Hey, don't shoot the messenger.

I just said it was interesting. I didn't comment on it one way or the other...

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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 5:39:23 PM

"Where is the doctrine of Sola Scriptura found in the Bible?"


That is really more of a Calvinist/Reformed position, actually.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 11:47:12 AM

"Does believing in God require that one believe that nonbelievers are evil [or amoral]?"

There is a deeper point to the answer of this question which makes the failed Republican candidate's message even worse:

There may be a political answer to the question that is different from even a religious one and "thinking" both must be the same is in the domain of fools or radio talk show celebrities.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 11:40:28 AM

SGM - one of my favorite SciFi authors had this in one of his books (if I can remember it exactly) ---
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"No one can conclusively prove there is no God. No one can conclusively prove there is a God. All too soon you will die and find out for sure."
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 11:33:51 AM

"The Pew Research Center recently asked, as part of its “Beyond Red vs. Blue” political typology project, whether voters agreed or disagreed that it is “necessary to believe in God to be moral.”

But that doesn't indicate the percentage of those people who themselves believe in God. Just that they realize that atheists aren't all immoral people. Do you not see the difference? Does believing in God require that one believe that nonbelievers are evil [or amoral]? I don't think so.

[Edited by: sgm4law at 7/27/2014 11:34:08 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 8:05:36 AM

"BTW, I firmly believe in the sanctity and sufficiency of Scripture, or as it would be described in Latin: Sola Scriptura.
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Where is the doctrine of Sola Scriptura found in the Bible?

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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 2:42:54 AM

Well. This is interesting...

www dot patheos dot com/blogs/tmatt/2014/07/growing-tensions-on-the-faith-and-family-left/

"The Pew Research Center recently asked, as part of its “Beyond Red vs. Blue” political typology project, whether voters agreed or disagreed that it is “necessary to believe in God to be moral.”

Among the voters called “Solid Liberals,” one of three major Democratic Party camps, only 11 percent of those polled said “yes.” People in the emerging “Next Generation Left” felt the same way, with only 7 percent affirming that statement.

However, things were radically different among the voters that Pew researchers labeled the “Faith and Family Left.” In this crowd — the survey’s most racially and ethnically diverse camp — an stunning 91 percent of those polled saw a connection between morality and belief in God."
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 9:13:06 PM

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. Can a person be a real American if their brain is controlled by a Middle Eastern religion addiction/psychosis mental illness... hmmmnnn, great title for a new thread here...
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 8:59:19 PM

"what a great country we live in... freedom from your Middle Eastern religion addiction/psychosis..."


Abd we Christians likewise have freedom from your religic haterade paranoia. What a great country indeed!!

Praise the Lord!!!
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 8:04:38 PM

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< "abortion is a basic funadamental inalienable human right... and the evil religics shouldn't be trying to force their evil agenda on others..." >

. Thanks for repeating that, RNorm, it bears repeating until it sinks in...!!!!! And its also the law of the land... what a great country we live in... freedom from your Middle Eastern religion addiction/psychosis...
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 12:07:25 PM

RNorm: "He wasn't unidentified, he was one of Sarah Palin's pastors..."

Of course he was, of course he was.

He's easy to locate, his name is Pastor Straw Man!

Next you'll be trying to tell us that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her back porch.

I've heard, however, that she has actually been to Nome...

*ROTFL*
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 10:30:23 AM

"abortion is a basic funadamental inalienable human right... and the evil religics shouldn't be trying to force their evil agenda on others... "


Wow Buzz, I see you're back with your hate speak. Man you need to quit. And you're wrong about abortion. Its neither a root canal nor a "basic funadamental inalienable human right"; its legalized murder...

But since we live in a free democratic society, you have that right, but don't call it what its not. For if it were truly a fundamental inalienable human right and your mother exercised that right, then you would not be here to spout your hate speak...
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 10:24:08 AM

You made me chuckle TD, thanks. To Jackson's point, the black voting pattern in our presidential elections is certainly "marching in lock step."

[Edited by: no1doc at 7/26/2014 10:25:03 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 10:24:02 AM

"Were YOU not outraged by Wright's GD America sermon? Never heard the "if you don't vote for bush, you aint saved." line from some unidentified pastor; that's why I haven't much to say about it."


He wasn't unidentified, he was one of Sarah Palin's pastors...moreover, I started a thread in the Christian forums on this very subject during that time, but it was largely ignored by the regulars over there; not that I was surprised or anything. And again, its not like I make these things up:

"During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry."

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Months after hinting at possible damnation for Kerry supporters, Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 10:22:29 AM

"I recall the conservative outrage over Jeremiah Wright, but not much to say about the pastor who preached if you don't vote for bush, you aint saved...So I think my bottom dollar would be safe."





So tell me Rnorm, do you think Reverend Jeremiah Wright's words were more hateful then the Bishop E.W. Jackson's, seeing the derogatory reference made of Jews, (Which is a nationality)? Would you not refer to those as a racist comments???




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"we don't like root canals, either, but not going to stop people from getting one... "

@Buzzlol - SMH, i'm sure comparing a root canal, which is a dental procedure to treat tooth decay and disease in the mouth, in your mind might be similar to killing a pre-porn life... but it's not...



But thanks for once again revealing insights to your logic... Extremely revealing to the hate that drives your posts....


[Edited by: reb4 at 7/26/2014 10:23:23 AM EST]
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no1doc: "Never heard the "if you don't vote for bush, you aint saved." line from some unidentified pastor; that's why I haven't much to say about it."

Really? It's easy to find on the 'net... Just google "Pastor Straw Man."

He's the guilty party...
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 10:16:37 AM

RNorm: "Its painfully clear that many, many Christians have a politically based faith; one that is not centered in the Gospel, but rather, based upon a conservative political agenda."

Its painfully clear that many, many Christians have a politically based faith; one that is not centered in the Gospel, but rather, watered down, based upon a liberal political agenda.

Truth is truth, regardless of your political leanings. If the platform of the Democrat Party denies the sanctity of life, and denies the existence of God, or has to have the existence of God "put back in" to the Party Platform then you're voting for and supporting an anti-Christ.

1 John 2:18.

Is the GOP totally "Christian"? No, of course not. Nor would any Christian want them to be. They still have to be elected and govern a country that has freedom of religion, and a secular government.

But they are by no means "anti-Christian" as the Democrat Party clearly is.

BTW, I firmly believe in the sanctity and sufficiency of Scripture, or as it would be described in Latin: Sola Scriptura.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 10:10:54 AM

RNorm: "But you don't see the denunciations of Bush or his Faith from the folks who will say that anyone not marching in lockstep with them isn't a Christian."

RNorm: "Not at all...just simply showing that just because a person agrees with you on one point, does not mean they're marching in lockstep with you on all other points and/or issues."

Two posters in one!

So... Which is it?

Or is the first simply another weak straw man fallacy?

BINGO and BOOM!

We have a winner!

*ROTFL*

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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 10:10:06 AM

"I recall the conservative outrage over Jeremiah Wright, but not much to say about the pastor who preached if you don't vote for bush, you aint saved..."
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Were YOU not outraged by Wright's GD America sermon? Never heard the "if you don't vote for bush, you aint saved." line from some unidentified pastor; that's why I haven't much to say about it.



[Edited by: no1doc at 7/26/2014 10:13:21 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 10:01:12 AM

"abortion is a basic funadamental inalienable human right..."
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Only in your mind. Elective abortion directly conflicts with the inalienable right to life.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 9:54:00 AM

"You're taking a real leap there and I think you'd lose your bottom dollar in that bet. I wouldn't trash anyone for answering that question the way Bush did and I don't think any other conservative here would either. "


Oh, I don't think so brother.

I recall the conservative outrage over Jeremiah Wright, but not much to say about the pastor who preached if you don't vote for bush, you aint saved...So I think my bottom dollar would be safe.

Its painfully clear that many, many Christians have a politically based faith; one that is not centered in the Gospel, but rather, based upon a conservative political agenda. When you believe nonsense like "if you're a democrat then you can't be saved" (which has been stated here more than once), then you have left the gospel and embraced a politically based faith.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 9:46:45 AM

".. but you can bet your bottom dollar that they would trash a liberal as being a "godless heathen" for saying the same thing Bush did."

You're taking a real leap there and I think you'd lose your bottom dollar in that bet. I wouldn't trash anyone for answering that question the way Bush did and I don't think any other conservative here would either.



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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 2:53:17 PM

"Not at all...just simply showing that just because a person agrees with you on one point, does not mean they're marching in lockstep with you on all other points and/or issues."

Thanks for the clarification.
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"There are plenty of branches of Christianity that don't argue that the Bible is literally true. Are you implying that all of the people in those sects/denominations are not Christian because they do not believe as you do?"


Not at all...just simply showing that just because a person agrees with you on one point, does not mean they're marching in lockstep with you on all other points and/or issues. Not to mention that many of the people who lauded Bush as a man of faith, who DO believe the Bible is literally true would not criticize Bush for saying what he did, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they would trash a liberal as being a "godless heathen" for saying the same thing Bush did.

Moreover, I don't go around saying who is or isn't a Christian; that's God's job to determine that.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 2:09:24 PM



"And people championed Bush as a man of faith and such, and here he is saying the Bible probably isn't literally true."

sgm, conservatives do not force people to march in lock step like liberals do.

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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 2:05:18 PM

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. It's time for all religics to leave the USA and move back to the psychotic Middle East where all their religion addiction/psychosis mental illness comes from...

. Nobody likes abortion but we won't deny a woman's right to CHOOSE one if that's what makes her life work... we don't like root canals, either, but not going to stop people from getting one... abortion is a basic funadamental inalienable human right... and the evil religics shouldn't be trying to force their evil agenda on others...
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 1:36:59 PM

"And people championed Bush as a man of faith and such, and here he is saying the Bible probably isn't literally true."

There are plenty of branches of Christianity that don't argue that the Bible is literally true. Are you implying that all of the people in those sects/denominations are not Christian because they do not believe as you do?
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 11:12:18 AM

"OUCH! When it comes to Bible scholarship he was no Jimmy Carter."


And that's the point; very few presidents are. Because we don't elect pastors and preachers; we elect politicians. Many of which who SAY they are people of faith, but their words and deeds may say otherwise. And people championed Bush as a man of faith and such, and here he is saying the Bible probably isn't literally true. But you don't see the denunciations of Bush or his Faith from the folks who will say that anyone not marching in lockstep with them isn't a Christian. That's one of the reasons why the Bible says:

"Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help." (Psalms 146:3)






"My friends, the Democrat Party and their progressive coalition have become anti-God, anti-bible, anti-church, anti-family, anti-marriage, and anti-life. They have turned their backs on Christians."

And when you say you're pro-God, pro-life, pro-bible and pro-family, but yet mistreat others like some do here everyday, then in fact, they are no better than the Democrats they're demonizing:

"If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment." (James 2:8-14)


What hypocritical double-standards some people of faith have...
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 10:30:39 AM

"So, to be serious now, this is number 3 on the list of 10 Fallacies in the Abortion Debate."

That was nicely done TD. Atheists For Life concur. "For the Embryology Textbook tells me so..." SecularProlife.org
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 10:17:51 AM

"And yet many of the same people who blast statements like the above, didn't have much to say when a president said: the Bible is “probably not” literally true."
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OUCH! When it comes to Bible scholarship he was no Jimmy Carter. Remember the president who used it as a prop?
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 10:00:31 AM

"Mr. Obama also stated that No one is "PRO ABORTION" during a debate when he was seeking funding for sex education..."
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Anyone who says that hasn't spent any time with abortion mill "escorts".
For Obama to say that is particularly disingenuous given his 100% pro-abortion history. One of his first acts as president was to lift the Mexico City Policy restricting US Government funding of abortions in other countries.

The next year Obama used US taxpayer money (reportedly $18 million), in violation of US law, to fund a group pushing for legalized abortion in Kenya during their constitutional referendum.
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RNorm: "And yet many of the same people who blast statements like the above, didn't have much to say when a president said: the Bible is “probably not” literally true.

Um, Ok!"

Spend some quality time today Googling "Straw Man Argument" and then stop congratulating yourself on making foolish comments.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 9:43:06 AM

"I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will."

Let's try that again, and just change the subject for argument's sake:

"I may be opposed to MURDER for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will."

"I may be opposed to RAPE for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will."

""I may be opposed to PROSTITUTION for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will."

"I may be opposed to THEFT for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will."

So, to be serious now, this is number 3 on the list of 10 Fallacies in the Abortion Debate.

www dot freerepublic dot com/focus/news/785378/posts

"3. Restricting abortion means imposing religious morality on others
Many people of all faiths and of none oppose abortion, but it is suggested by some that to be pro-life is to hold a religious position. Therefore, to support pro-life laws is to suggest imposing a religious viewpoint on everyone else, equivalent to making it illegal to eat pork because of what the Koran dictates.

If abortion is a religious issue, then nearly everything is. What people usually mean by this is that abortion is exclusively a religious issue, of no concern to those who do not share the unproven faiths of pro-lifers. As many religions stress the value of an eternal human soul, and many pro-lifers express themselves in religious terms, the two are not unconnected. But it is entirely wrong to suggest that an ethical issue like abortion becomes entirely a religious matter because the religious give their views on it. The book of Exodus commands that no one should commit murder. That does not mean murder is an exclusively religious issue, and it certainly doesn't mean that laws against murder would breach a tradition like the United States' separation of church and state."

What we are talking about here isn't "abortion". It's ending the life of an unborn human being who is innocent of any wrongdoing because of vanity...


[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 7/25/2014 9:46:19 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 9:34:02 AM

Marty, Democrats For Life had an article on their web site making that argument on their home page. I checked for it today but, it has been taken down and I can't find any archive button. The fellow in the link below is from the Catholic University of America. He's a member of the Democrats for Life board of directors.


In his speech to the Democrats for Life, Schneck's core argument was that the best way to be pro-life in contemporary American politics is to support generous government programs intended to alleviate poverty.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 4:45:26 PM

"Well (or welp if you prefer), it would be promoted hopefully it is because it is what that person believes... Or what that person's constituents want..."


Bingo and boom.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 4:38:05 PM

"I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will."






Well (or welp if you prefer), it would be promoted hopefully it is because it is what that person believes... Or what that person's constituents want...



" And yet many of the same people who blast statements like the above, didn't have much to say when a president said: the Bible is “probably not” literally true."




Wouldn't have agreed with George there either... Have read some other points that I would not agree with him with either....

I wasn't in the POlitics section back in 2008... And you might be "enlightened " by my post in Chicago Section... (Hey I was a greenie in forums back then and posted in local category..)...


Chichago Posting night Obama was "Elected"....



[Edited by: reb4 at 7/24/2014 4:42:34 PM EST]
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"I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will."


But yet, in a DEMOCRATIC society, that IS true, even if I don't like it...otherwise we have a THEOCRACY, which America is not.

The problem with many Christians is that they do not want to accept the fact that there are many, many people who do not embrace Christianity, but yet they have the right to do so as well as have the right to live outside what the Bible teaches.

And yet many of the same people who blast statements like the above, didn't have much to say when a president said: the Bible is “probably not” literally true.

Um, Ok!
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 1:28:10 PM

"Some "pro-life" Democrats who voted for Obama have said that voting for Obama would decrease abortions because he supports welfare expansion. "

No1doc, I have heard that excuse used as well... Here is how some of that may have been ... mislead....

"Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice. Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what’s possible. At some fundamental level, religion does not allow for compromise. It’s the art of the impossible."





Mr. Obama also stated that No one is "PRO ABORTION" during a debate when he was seeking funding for sex education...




Rnorm Posted: "LOL, that doesn't even make sense..."

yes, and that is why I believe the people that voted for Mr. Obama were duped a long time ago... Obama has stuck very true to the Democratic platform... pushing that agenda through... Weren't you the one that said the platform was "meaningless"....

[Edited by: reb4 at 7/24/2014 1:29:27 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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"Some "pro-life" Democrats who voted for Obama have said that voting for Obama would decrease abortions because he supports welfare expansion. "

It would be nice to see some documentation of that.
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"Some "pro-life" Democrats who voted for Obama have said that voting for Obama would decrease abortions because he supports welfare expansion. "


LOL, that doesn't even make sense...
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SORRY, JUST NOTICED A TYPO IN THE LAST SENTENCE OF THAT POST

"Reality is, that the Democrats have made every attempt possible to push Christians out of the Party and delete God from the Party Platform..."
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There's a lot of self justification among Christians who consistently vote Democrat. Ask them why they continue to vote for pro-abortion candidates and they'll tell you they're not "single issue" voters. Their candidates oppose the death penalty, or oppose war, or they "feed the poor".

Some "pro-life" Democrats who voted for Obama have said that voting for Obama would decrease abortions because he supports welfare expansion. Totally bogus. Elective abortions have been decreasing in number year after year since the mid 80's, regardless of who the president was. When Clinton's welfare reforms went into effect, the number of abortions continued to decline while the number of welfare recipients sharply decreased, and employment [among] those who had been on welfare increased.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 10:48:38 AM

"Reality is, that the Democrats have made every attempt possible to push Christians out of the Party and delete God from the Party Platform..."
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There's a lot of self justification among Christians who consistently vote Democrat. Ask them why they continue to vote for pro-abortion candidates and they'll tell you they're not "single issue" voters. Their candidates oppose the death penalty, or oppose war, or they "feed the poor".

Some "pro-life" Democrats who voted for Obama have said that voting for Obama would decrease abortions because he supports welfare expansion. Totally bogus. Elective abortions have been decreasing in number year after year since the mid 80's, regardless of who the president was. When Clinton's welfare reforms went into effect, the number of abortions continued to decline while the number of welfare recipients sharply decreased, and employment above those who had been on welfare increased.

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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 9:46:31 AM

Nice job with Buzz Norm. That deserves another Amen.
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Reality is, that the Democrats have made every attempt possible to push Christians out of the Party and delete God from the Party Platform...

Resurrection: DNC Overrules Delegates, Rams God and Jerusalem Back into Platform

www dot breitbart dot com/Big-Government/2012/09/05/Democrats-change-platform-God-Israel
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"Indeed, nobody here is involved in a jihad or holy war or even anything close to that; and I'm sure you know that, but yet you insist on demonizing people of faith for no good reason whatsoever."

Well said.
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