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KnoxGasPriceSpy

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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2012 2:50:56 PM

What is your opinion on Obama?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 6:13:15 PM

MahopacJack - "There is no HONEST reason why this complexity should exist. Can you think of any?"

My SWAG estimate is that about 80% of taxpayers are just filling out forms with information that's already been reported to the IRS, and all they're going to do with those forms is send them to the IRS, which already has the information.

Given that, it would make a lot more sense for the IRS to calculate everyone's taxes and send each taxpayer a summary, and either a refund or a summary, each year. If you didn't agree, then you could file an amended return.

Just a few minor adjustments to the tax laws would probably make that 95% or greater.

Of course, it doesn't appear that the IRS is capable of implementing the computer systems that would be necessary to do that. If you've had any contact with them, you're probably aware that different parts of the IRS seem to have no idea what other parts are doing or have done. Evidently, despite several attempts, they still don't have a single system for everything.

And, equally of course, it doesn't appear that Congress is competent to write tax law.
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 5:55:37 PM

getting lower and lower(if that's possible)
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 5:26:50 PM

rjhenn, >>I'm not quite convinced about the FairTax. It might increase take-home pay, but would also increase prices….<<
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You raised very important concerns and I'll give you my take on each one of them and I'll also have to refer to how the Obama Administration has effected all of us with his actions.

First, let there be no doubt that take home pay will increase. In states where no State Income Taxes are paid, workers will receive their entire paycheck less any deductibles such as State Disability and voluntary deductions. We will no longer be charged with the regressive taxes of Social Security which the upper income earners have no problem meeting. Then of course is the withholding for Income taxes. As we would no longer be paying taxes on our income we would see an immediate increase.

As far as prices go, I imagine some providers will at first attempt to keep the prices of goods the same which means that some of us will pay the additional sales tax. This of course would negate any savings gained from the increase in our paychecks.

Were I to stop here, isn't it beneficial to us to have the IRSs power over each of curtailed? The current administration has taken the abuse of the IRS to levels not seen in the history of the IRS. I'm not saying other Administration di not use the IRS to harass individuals but it just was not done the the extreme done by this administration. Knowing that I do not have to risk my future by having to prove my innocence which would more than likely incur a huge legal bill, gives me great comfort and hopefully you as well.

Getting back to prices increasing we have to take into consideration a thing called Capitalism and Free Markets.

Isn't it true that when we purchase a good or service we also are paying for all the costs that the seller has paid? Likewise for the seller that sold it to them? And the seller before them? This includes not only the taxes I mentioned but any business and corporate taxes as well. With all of these taxes gone doesn't it make sense that generally PRICES WOULD DECLINE? Knowing that each seller competes with other sellers for our business, gives us the advantage to seek the better price. This by itself would keep any sellers from attempting to keep price levels high. Some may try but eventually the Free Market will determine the appropriate price level.

I sincerely hope you will look into the pros and cons of the Fair Tax. While there is a lot of information and misinformation available, it might shed some light on just who is providing the answers to any questions you or others might have. I for one, have been doing my own taxes from the very beginning of my career and have witnessed the dramatic and unwarranted increase in complexity over 5 decades. There is no HONEST reason why this complexity should exist. Can you think of any?

-MJ

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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 12:08:48 PM

KnoxGasPriceSpy - "Lincoln was highly respected by some, but intensely disliked by others. Obama is highly respected by some, but intensely disliked by others."

Which explains the rest of the post.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 12:06:54 PM

MahopacJack - "Here's a list of 73 that are supporting legislation to INCREASE workers take home pay, restore personal freedom, creates jobs, promotes fairness, lowers the Federal Budget, increases the Federal Tax Revenue WITHOUT RAISING TAXES, and eliminate the IRS which has been trampling the US Constitution. for many years."

I'm not quite convinced about the FairTax. It might increase take-home pay, but would also increase prices. It doesn't do much of anything to lower the Federal budget, and it looks to me as if it shifts much of the tax burden to the middle class, potentially increasing income and wealth disparity, which is not good for the economy.

And we'd still need the IRS to monitor the sales tax collection.

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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:18:21 AM

>>> 0bama borrowed a lot of money to . . . ? <<<

...to pay off political cronies with "shovel ready" subsidized boondoggles.

With apologies to my friend flyboy......Crapitalism !!!
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:02:33 AM

"Obama borrowed a lot of money to . . . ?"

Save our economy? Our jobs? Our homes? Our Nation?

;)

And Obama only did a mediocre job of that, much as Lincoln did as well. But both did 'do' the job.

They could have done better, but they could have done far, far worse.
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 1:12:46 AM

Had me worried for a bit there Knox

Lincoln ‘s administration had to borrow a lot of money to abolish slavery and save our nation, via the Civil War. Obama borrowed a lot of money to . . . ?
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 11:02:19 PM

Parallels of Abraham Lincoln and Barack Hussein Obama:

Lincoln placed his hand on the Bible for his inauguration Obama used the very same Bible Lincoln used, for his inauguration.
Lincoln came from Illinois . Obama comes from Illinois .
Lincoln served in the Illinois Legislature. Obama served in the Illinois Legislature.
Lincoln had very little experience before becoming President. Obama had very little experience before becoming President.
Lincoln rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his inauguration. Obama rode the train from Philadelphia to Washington for his inauguration.
Lincoln was highly respected by some, but intensely disliked by others. Obama is highly respected by some, but intensely disliked by others.
Abraham Lincoln was a tall, skinny lawyer. Barack Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
Lincoln held to basic Conservative and Christian views. Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
Lincoln volunteered in the Illinois militia; once as a captain, twice as a private. Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
Lincoln firmly believed in able persons carrying their own weight. Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
Lincoln ‘s administration had to borrow a lot of money to abolish slavery and save our nation, via the Civil War. Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
Lincoln was undeniably, and without any doubt, born in the United States. Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
Lincoln was honest – so honest that he was called ‘Honest Abe’. Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer
Lincoln preserved the United States as a strong nation, respected by the world. Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
Lincoln showed his obvious respect for the flag, U. S. Constitution, and themilitary. Obama is a tall, skinny lawyer.
Amazing, isn’t it?
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 7:06:33 PM

rjhenn, >>Who would they be? So far, I haven't heard of any that either make any actual sense or that I believe. <<
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Here's a list of 73 that are supporting legislation to INCREASE workers take home pay, restore personal freedom, creates jobs, promotes fairness, lowers the Federal Budget, increases the Federal Tax Revenue WITHOUT RAISING TAXES, and eliminate the IRS which has been trampling the US Constitution. for many years.

Supporting link.

Surprisingly, there is not one single supporter that is a Democrat. Aren't they supposed to be the 'people's party?"

I asked my Congressman about this and there was no reply. Have any others had this experience?

If there were valid problems with this particular tax reform, wouldn't they be willing to share their concerns?

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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 5:52:47 PM

Jon gets it right again........

Jon Stewart Compares Democrats’ Desperate Attempts Of Avoiding Questions About Obama To A Murder Deposition
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 9:28:28 PM

MahopacJack - "What about the current representatives that do care and have offered solutions?"

Who would they be? So far, I haven't heard of any that either make any actual sense or that I believe.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 7:02:52 PM

"How did we get to the point where we must always pick the lessor of two evils? Shouldn't more choices be made available to us?"

Isn't that what he is doing by not voting for a Republican or a Democrat?
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 6:34:16 PM

rjhenn, >>Well, about the only thing I can do is vote for anyone except a Democrat or a Republican.<<

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What about the current representatives that do care and have offered solutions? Aren't you automatically excluding them? How did we get to the point where we must always pick the lessor of two evils? Shouldn't more choices be made available to us?

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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 6:24:36 PM

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In addition to 'Fly's post, "Richman, who has donated more than $1 million to Democrats since 1990, made his fortune in the affordable housing and investment racket. President Obama and his Democratic allies continue to be very concerned about the influence of money in politics."

Just some plain folks having a little get together:

"Reporters will have “very limited access” to the event. Obama attended a similar fundraiser at the Richman estate in 2010, which featured celebrity guests such as Hollywood director Ron Howard and Doonesbury cartoonist Gary Trudeau."

Who was the "Occupy" Crowd protesting?
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[Edited by: MahopacJack at 10/28/2014 6:29:47 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 6:16:30 PM

MahopacJack - "If much of what you say is true, what do you plan on doing about it if anything?"

Well, about the only thing I can do is vote for anyone except a Democrat or a Republican.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 6:14:23 PM

rjhenn, >>There is very little significant difference between the two major parties. The visible differences are primarily for the purpose of keeping the electorate divided, voting for Republicans because they're not Democrats or for Democrats because they're not Republicans.

So little or nothing changes.<<

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If much of what you say is true, what do you plan on doing about it if anything?

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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 5:16:26 PM

flyboyUT - "I bet them proggies just hate it when the truth come out in the open."

There is very little significant difference between the two major parties. The visible differences are primarily for the purpose of keeping the electorate divided, voting for Republicans because they're not Democrats or for Democrats because they're not Republicans.

So little or nothing changes.
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 1:03:29 PM

How do you spell hypocrisy O - B - A - M - A
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>>>If Republicans win control of both the House and Senate, “the interests of billionaires will come before the needs of the middle class,” President Barack Obama said at a $32,500-a-plate fundraiser at the $16 million Greenwich, Conn., estate of a billionaire named (I’m not making this up) Rich Richman.

You can’t top that remark for hypocrisy or the setting for irony. It isn’t the middle class who write $32,500 checks. Those who do expect something in return. They’ve been getting it.

The Obama administration “protected Wall Street. Not families who were losing their homes. Not people who lost their jobs. And it happened over and over and over,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., told the liberal webzine Salon. Ms. Fauxcahontas isn’t right about much, but she is about that. Administration policies have rewarded Wall Streeters whose reckless lending magnified the subprime mortgage crisis. “You’ve got Wall Street criminals walking free, sipping tea at the White House,” said left-wing academic Cornel West.<<<

I bet them proggies just hate it when the truth come out in the open.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 12:42:33 PM

lpatt1, >>And you talk about Communist supporting Democrats? How many Progressive/Communist Republicans do you think there are? Sadly, more than you are probably willing to truly admit. So when there is a significant clear difference between Democrats and Republicans, I will be more apt to support them more easily. But until that time, I will choose, very carefully, who I will support and never blindly without first questioning their character. <<

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I agree but instead of waiting for the Republicans to change there are a few things we can all do to get the message across to those who would do harm to our way of life.

As the National Republican Party could care less about the ordinary working guy and the Democrats are hell bent on turning us all into 'comrades,' why not reregister as a Conservative or Independent or Libertarian. Many people have long since left the Republicans (as had many Democrats left that party). There is of course a difference between them but it certainly would get your message across. You can always reregister when the Republicans National Party starts changing its ways.

Good luck and don't let the bastards get you down.

-MJ

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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 12:41:32 PM

Did you really type that all on your own?
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lpatti1
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 11:19:19 AM

Rather have a pencil stuck in my eye! He's a LOSER!
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 5:14:25 PM

rip-van-weasel.... LOL.... 7;-p...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 4:38:33 PM

"Go back to sleep weasel. Set your alarm clock for January 21, 2017"

What is this, a post wit no link parroting opinions posted from talking heads on the Right? Oh, but there was nothing in it related to the OP either.

Par for the course!

Back to sleep now for me...
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 2:08:34 PM

Go back to sleep weasel. Set your alarm clock for January 21, 2017
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 2:06:32 PM

More parroting of talking points from the right...

*yawn*
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 2:04:57 PM

I'll use whatever Font style I like. Mine's called "Kenya Legacy"

As for the source, AM Thinker has posted columns by over 3000 people in it's ten year history. That's more than most other websites will ever post. Each piece carries the name of the author, none of those mysterious major newspaper opinions that carry no person's name.

At least you read the piece. Many of my detractors don't bother. (Too busy with heads in sand)

Did you get what might be the crux of the matter?

"In a remarkable, and baffling, turn of events, the President seems to be aware of his own deep unpopularity -- 0bama is a textbook narcissist, and must surely pore over every mention of his name in print -- and yet still refuses to let the rats in his party jump off of his ship."

Would he subject his minions to electoral defeat just to keep his own ego inflated?
It seems the answer is "yes"

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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 1:53:18 PM

I75at7AM - "0bama Wants the Democrats to Lose"

American Thinker has gone seriously downhill, and now seems to be not much more reliable than WND or Canada Free Press.

Though even they spelled it "Obama", instead of the misquoted "0bama".

[Edited by: rjhenn at 10/27/2014 1:54:59 PM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 12:41:47 PM

Could this be?

0bama Wants the Democrats to Lose
"What is going on here? The answer is counterintuitive, but simple: 0bama wants the Democrats to lose.
Others, including Rush Limbaugh in June of this year, have touched on this speculation. But, so far as I can tell, no one has yet gotten to the heart of the issue. 0bama, Rush suggests, wants the Democrats to lose in order to goad the Republicans into impeaching him, which, 0bama calculates, will backfire because he’s black, leading to a Democratic sweep in 2016."

Or this:

"I offer here a different explanation: 0bama wants Democrats to lose because a solidly Republican Congress will allow him to step to the Pontius Pilate water bowl, wash his hands (with a dramatic flourish) of the whole business of politics, and start ruling in earnest by fiat."

"We have already seen that, by executive order, 0bama is going to issue green cards to some thirty-three millions Hispanics (read: future Democrats) as soon as the elections are over."

"But 0bama hears the clock ticking. Six years have gone by, and the American economy, though crippled, is still intact."

"There is precious little time to bring all of these aims to fruition."
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 8:22:46 AM

Thanks JohnSell.... I like Obama being portrayed much better on SNL...

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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 2:53:04 AM

johnsell - "The Best Response To A Congressman Ever. This Is Gold."

Well, someone has a good imagination.
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johnsell
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 7:35:08 PM

A little levity or is it?

The Best Response To A Congressman Ever. This Is Gold.

SNL Cold Open Ridicules Obama on Ebola - " Probably One of My Greatest Accomplishments "
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 7:25:20 PM

Obama's administration has everything under control....LOL
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 5:44:15 PM

"That's where you wrong...read up on Project Saturn."

You were 'mostly correct' regarding Saturn, I'll give you that, however mostly wrong about everything else regarding what you posted on the auto industry...

"I will disagree with you on that issue. President Bush repeatedly tried to push for further regulations of the GSE's because he saw a pretty big problem."

From the start, Bush embraced a governing philosophy of deregulation. That trickled down to federal oversight agencies, which in turn eased off on banks and mortgage brokers. Bush did push early on for tighter controls over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but he failed to move Congress. After the Enron scandal, Bush backed and signed the aggressively regulatory Sarbanes-Oxley Act. But SEC head William Donaldson tried to boost regulation of mutual and hedge funds, he was blocked by Bush's advisers at the White House as well as other powerful Republicans and quit. Plus, let's face it, the meltdown happened on Bush's watch.

As the decider in the White House for the past eight years, George Bush made some economic calls that don't look smart today. Here are eight of them.
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 5:39:09 PM

"And then they weren't really "new models of Saturns", but basically the same models other GM divisions were selling, just with a Saturn nameplate."

Correct - badge engineering was rampant...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 2:05:50 AM

PegasusAT - "As I pointed out you really didn't see any new models of Saturns till 2000's time frame which doesn't bode well in any business."

And then they weren't really "new models of Saturns", but basically the same models other GM divisions were selling, just with a Saturn nameplate.
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>>Weasle, You see Pegasus, this is the response you get from somebody who actually has some understanding...It doesn't seem you do much either, with regards to this subject..<<

That's where you wrong...read up on Project Saturn. I'm pretty much aware of it. Was trying to simplify it for Buzz but if he/she has been banned making it easier to understand doesn't matter.

>>True - the deregulation efforts spanned many Administrations. But that doesn't mean that W didn't play his part...<<

I will disagree with you on that issue. President Bush repeatedly tried to push for further regulations of the GSE's because he saw a pretty big problem. Trying to get Congress to act on it was a different story. When the Republicans started getting on board it was too late and Democrats really didn't help when they said they saw no safety or soundness issues (Barney Frank) or the statement by Maxine Waters. We're very well aware of what happened next.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 10:53:36 PM

>>rjhenn, But the only one that gets criticized is the one during Obama's presidency..<<

I'm well aware of both Operations just pointing out the fact to Buzz that Operation Fast and Furious happened under President Obama's term not Bush's.

>>GM was run by internal politics, not business needs...<<

Was pointing out to Buzz that Oldsmobile demise wasn't the fault of President Bush as he was trying to make it his fault. I'm well aware of Saturn because I owned two of them and enjoyed both of them. The issue with Saturn lies solely with GM and the decisions they made. As I pointed out you really didn't see any new models of Saturns till 2000's time frame which doesn't bode well in any business.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 4:27:49 PM

I75at7AM - "I'm waiting for you to show where someone on the right has lied about what 0bama has done."

All you have to do is let go of your ODS and actually read either or both of the links you posted.

"You're waiting for what? 0bama to not be a total loser of a Prez?"

Well, he's not a _total_ "loser of a Prez". Neither was Shrub, but you'd be hard-pressed to get that admission out of any of those who are obsessed with believing that they are and were.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:26:53 PM

"Still waiting........."

So are we...
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:26:22 PM

Still waiting.........

I'm waiting for you to show where someone on the right has lied about what 0bama has done.

You're waiting for what? 0bama to not be a total loser of a Prez?

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/24/2014 2:30:58 PM EST]
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"Either one of you geniuses point out where a person on the right has lied about what 0bama has done. Just one.

Telling the truth about 0bama is way waaay WAAAY different from "lying" about him."

We keep trying, but some of you are very hard to get through to.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:43:33 PM

Either one of you geniuses point out where a person on the right has lied about what 0bama has done. Just one.

Telling the truth about 0bama is way waaay WAAAY different from "lying" about him.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:35:35 PM

Weaslespit - "And sadly, the same things would still be said today were the ideologies reversed; Left, Right - doesn't matter."

Agreed. Neither side has a monopoly on arrogance, stupidity or adherence to dogma.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:24:44 PM

"GM was run by internal politics, not business needs. At one time, Olds was part of GM's overall design, with two paths, family and single customers, both leading to Cadillac. Chevy was supposed to be the entry point for families, with Pontiac the entry point for singles. From Chevy, families were supposed to move 'up' to Buick, while singles moved 'up' from Pontiac to Olds. Then both merged 'up' to Caddy.

They lost sight of that plan by making all of their brands look the same, and screwed everything up. Saturn was an abortive attempt to explore another direction, but quickly lost internal political support and was left to die on the vine, until it finally became a victim of "look the same"."

You see Pegasus, this is the response you get from somebody who actually has some understanding...

"And neither either worked nor, apparently, had any approval from higher ups. Both came out of the same BATF office, and the same supervisor.

But the only one that gets criticized is the one during Obama's presidency. ODS?"

Most likely. And sadly, the same things would still be said today were the ideologies reversed; Left, Right - doesn't matter.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:20:05 PM

I75at7AM - "You put my name in front of that quote, but you know it's from a column I posted a link to."

But you are the one who posted the link and quoted the text. That's all your name there means.

"The right isn't President. But point one out while my ass is still attached."

Was that supposed to make sense, because I'm not seeing any.

"We don't need to lie about 0bama and his record. The truth is damning enough."

Yes, it is. So why does the right feel the need to constantly lie about it, trying to make it worse than it actually is?
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:18:43 PM

PegasusAT - "You sure don't do any type of research do you? GM made the decision to shut down the Oldsmobile division in December 2000 because of shortfall in sales and overall profitability. So who was President during that time? Wasn't President Bush or Clinton's fault. The problem with Saturn can be traced back to the 1990's. How many models did you see come out during that timeframe?"

GM was run by internal politics, not business needs. At one time, Olds was part of GM's overall design, with two paths, family and single customers, both leading to Cadillac. Chevy was supposed to be the entry point for families, with Pontiac the entry point for singles. From Chevy, families were supposed to move 'up' to Buick, while singles moved 'up' from Pontiac to Olds. Then both merged 'up' to Caddy.

They lost sight of that plan by making all of their brands look the same, and screwed everything up. Saturn was an abortive attempt to explore another direction, but quickly lost internal political support and was left to die on the vine, until it finally became a victim of "look the same".

Which was too bad, because Saturns were really nice vehicles, except they were never allowed to really update much of anything.

"There were two Gun Walking operations...Fast and Furious was not run while President Bush was in office you would be thinking of Operation Linebacker which ran from 2006-2008. Operation Fast and Furious ran from 2009 to 2011..the time frame of President Obama."

And neither either worked nor, apparently, had any approval from higher ups. Both came out of the same BATF office, and the same supervisor.

But the only one that gets criticized is the one during Obama's presidency. ODS?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:10:49 PM

MahopacJack - "Declaring Obama's actions as political and not law is absurd."

Because you've got it backwards. It's not Obama's actions that are political, not law. It's the objections to his actions.

"In the case of the Administration changing the deadlines outlined in the Affordable Care Act, the Administration did so without consent of Congress who had originally passed the act. This was a blatant usurpation of legislative powers."

The Executive Branch doesn't need the consent of Congress for simply changing deadlines, or other implementation details, if they have sufficient cause for doing so. It's the Executive Branch that has responsibility for implementation. If the deadlines established by Congress aren't practical, the Executive can change them. What they can't change is the eventual, within reason, implementation of the law.

"This would be were Obama a Supreme Court Judge and was in agreement with at least four other Supreme Court Judges."

He didn't say don't enforce it, but don't defend it.

And SCOTUS did declare that section of DOMA unconstitutional.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:09:44 PM

"That's strange, I didn't know a myna bird had four arms."

Posting self-portraits again?

"We don't need to lie about 0bama and his record. The truth is damning enough."

Sure, so why do you (and others) continue to do so?

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 10/24/2014 1:11:17 PM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 12:58:50 PM

You put my name in front of that quote, but you know it's from a column I posted a link to.

The right isn't President. But point one out while my ass is still attached.

We don't need to lie about 0bama and his record. The truth is damning enough.
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