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KnoxGasPriceSpy

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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2012 2:50:56 PM

What is your opinion on Obama?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 7:25:20 PM

Obama's administration has everything under control....LOL
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 5:44:15 PM

"That's where you wrong...read up on Project Saturn."

You were 'mostly correct' regarding Saturn, I'll give you that, however mostly wrong about everything else regarding what you posted on the auto industry...

"I will disagree with you on that issue. President Bush repeatedly tried to push for further regulations of the GSE's because he saw a pretty big problem."

From the start, Bush embraced a governing philosophy of deregulation. That trickled down to federal oversight agencies, which in turn eased off on banks and mortgage brokers. Bush did push early on for tighter controls over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but he failed to move Congress. After the Enron scandal, Bush backed and signed the aggressively regulatory Sarbanes-Oxley Act. But SEC head William Donaldson tried to boost regulation of mutual and hedge funds, he was blocked by Bush's advisers at the White House as well as other powerful Republicans and quit. Plus, let's face it, the meltdown happened on Bush's watch.

As the decider in the White House for the past eight years, George Bush made some economic calls that don't look smart today. Here are eight of them.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 5:39:09 PM

"And then they weren't really "new models of Saturns", but basically the same models other GM divisions were selling, just with a Saturn nameplate."

Correct - badge engineering was rampant...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 2:05:50 AM

PegasusAT - "As I pointed out you really didn't see any new models of Saturns till 2000's time frame which doesn't bode well in any business."

And then they weren't really "new models of Saturns", but basically the same models other GM divisions were selling, just with a Saturn nameplate.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 10:59:00 PM

>>Weasle, You see Pegasus, this is the response you get from somebody who actually has some understanding...It doesn't seem you do much either, with regards to this subject..<<

That's where you wrong...read up on Project Saturn. I'm pretty much aware of it. Was trying to simplify it for Buzz but if he/she has been banned making it easier to understand doesn't matter.

>>True - the deregulation efforts spanned many Administrations. But that doesn't mean that W didn't play his part...<<

I will disagree with you on that issue. President Bush repeatedly tried to push for further regulations of the GSE's because he saw a pretty big problem. Trying to get Congress to act on it was a different story. When the Republicans started getting on board it was too late and Democrats really didn't help when they said they saw no safety or soundness issues (Barney Frank) or the statement by Maxine Waters. We're very well aware of what happened next.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 10:53:36 PM

>>rjhenn, But the only one that gets criticized is the one during Obama's presidency..<<

I'm well aware of both Operations just pointing out the fact to Buzz that Operation Fast and Furious happened under President Obama's term not Bush's.

>>GM was run by internal politics, not business needs...<<

Was pointing out to Buzz that Oldsmobile demise wasn't the fault of President Bush as he was trying to make it his fault. I'm well aware of Saturn because I owned two of them and enjoyed both of them. The issue with Saturn lies solely with GM and the decisions they made. As I pointed out you really didn't see any new models of Saturns till 2000's time frame which doesn't bode well in any business.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 4:27:49 PM

I75at7AM - "I'm waiting for you to show where someone on the right has lied about what 0bama has done."

All you have to do is let go of your ODS and actually read either or both of the links you posted.

"You're waiting for what? 0bama to not be a total loser of a Prez?"

Well, he's not a _total_ "loser of a Prez". Neither was Shrub, but you'd be hard-pressed to get that admission out of any of those who are obsessed with believing that they are and were.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:26:53 PM

"Still waiting........."

So are we...
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:26:22 PM

Still waiting.........

I'm waiting for you to show where someone on the right has lied about what 0bama has done.

You're waiting for what? 0bama to not be a total loser of a Prez?

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/24/2014 2:30:58 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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"Either one of you geniuses point out where a person on the right has lied about what 0bama has done. Just one.

Telling the truth about 0bama is way waaay WAAAY different from "lying" about him."

We keep trying, but some of you are very hard to get through to.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:43:33 PM

Either one of you geniuses point out where a person on the right has lied about what 0bama has done. Just one.

Telling the truth about 0bama is way waaay WAAAY different from "lying" about him.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:35:35 PM

Weaslespit - "And sadly, the same things would still be said today were the ideologies reversed; Left, Right - doesn't matter."

Agreed. Neither side has a monopoly on arrogance, stupidity or adherence to dogma.
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Weaslespit
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"GM was run by internal politics, not business needs. At one time, Olds was part of GM's overall design, with two paths, family and single customers, both leading to Cadillac. Chevy was supposed to be the entry point for families, with Pontiac the entry point for singles. From Chevy, families were supposed to move 'up' to Buick, while singles moved 'up' from Pontiac to Olds. Then both merged 'up' to Caddy.

They lost sight of that plan by making all of their brands look the same, and screwed everything up. Saturn was an abortive attempt to explore another direction, but quickly lost internal political support and was left to die on the vine, until it finally became a victim of "look the same"."

You see Pegasus, this is the response you get from somebody who actually has some understanding...

"And neither either worked nor, apparently, had any approval from higher ups. Both came out of the same BATF office, and the same supervisor.

But the only one that gets criticized is the one during Obama's presidency. ODS?"

Most likely. And sadly, the same things would still be said today were the ideologies reversed; Left, Right - doesn't matter.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:20:05 PM

I75at7AM - "You put my name in front of that quote, but you know it's from a column I posted a link to."

But you are the one who posted the link and quoted the text. That's all your name there means.

"The right isn't President. But point one out while my ass is still attached."

Was that supposed to make sense, because I'm not seeing any.

"We don't need to lie about 0bama and his record. The truth is damning enough."

Yes, it is. So why does the right feel the need to constantly lie about it, trying to make it worse than it actually is?
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rjhenn
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PegasusAT - "You sure don't do any type of research do you? GM made the decision to shut down the Oldsmobile division in December 2000 because of shortfall in sales and overall profitability. So who was President during that time? Wasn't President Bush or Clinton's fault. The problem with Saturn can be traced back to the 1990's. How many models did you see come out during that timeframe?"

GM was run by internal politics, not business needs. At one time, Olds was part of GM's overall design, with two paths, family and single customers, both leading to Cadillac. Chevy was supposed to be the entry point for families, with Pontiac the entry point for singles. From Chevy, families were supposed to move 'up' to Buick, while singles moved 'up' from Pontiac to Olds. Then both merged 'up' to Caddy.

They lost sight of that plan by making all of their brands look the same, and screwed everything up. Saturn was an abortive attempt to explore another direction, but quickly lost internal political support and was left to die on the vine, until it finally became a victim of "look the same".

Which was too bad, because Saturns were really nice vehicles, except they were never allowed to really update much of anything.

"There were two Gun Walking operations...Fast and Furious was not run while President Bush was in office you would be thinking of Operation Linebacker which ran from 2006-2008. Operation Fast and Furious ran from 2009 to 2011..the time frame of President Obama."

And neither either worked nor, apparently, had any approval from higher ups. Both came out of the same BATF office, and the same supervisor.

But the only one that gets criticized is the one during Obama's presidency. ODS?
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MahopacJack - "Declaring Obama's actions as political and not law is absurd."

Because you've got it backwards. It's not Obama's actions that are political, not law. It's the objections to his actions.

"In the case of the Administration changing the deadlines outlined in the Affordable Care Act, the Administration did so without consent of Congress who had originally passed the act. This was a blatant usurpation of legislative powers."

The Executive Branch doesn't need the consent of Congress for simply changing deadlines, or other implementation details, if they have sufficient cause for doing so. It's the Executive Branch that has responsibility for implementation. If the deadlines established by Congress aren't practical, the Executive can change them. What they can't change is the eventual, within reason, implementation of the law.

"This would be were Obama a Supreme Court Judge and was in agreement with at least four other Supreme Court Judges."

He didn't say don't enforce it, but don't defend it.

And SCOTUS did declare that section of DOMA unconstitutional.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:09:44 PM

"That's strange, I didn't know a myna bird had four arms."

Posting self-portraits again?

"We don't need to lie about 0bama and his record. The truth is damning enough."

Sure, so why do you (and others) continue to do so?

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 10/24/2014 1:11:17 PM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 12:58:50 PM

You put my name in front of that quote, but you know it's from a column I posted a link to.

The right isn't President. But point one out while my ass is still attached.

We don't need to lie about 0bama and his record. The truth is damning enough.
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rjhenn
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I75at7AM - ""Worst of all, however, is Obama’s comfort with the lie, his willingness to dissemble and to do it right in our faces....The lying and the divisiveness are worse than anything I’ve ever seen in government, in American government, and I’m old enough to actually remember Eisenhower."

Uh huh. And the right isn't lying their asses off?

As often demonstrated in this very topic, as well as at many of the sources used here.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 11:53:08 AM

That's strange, I didn't know a myna bird had four arms.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 10:16:20 AM

"That line worked for me. It doesn't work for you."

Strange, it posted just fine for me as well ;)

"Either way, I am not "parroting" any talking points."

Keep telling yourself that every time you parrot talking points.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 9:41:08 AM

That line worked for me. It doesn't work for you.

Hint: If I post a link to an article or column, and what follows is in
"quotation" marks, then that passage is a dircet quote from that column.

If I write something else, that is not in quotation marks, then those are my words. Either way, I am not "parroting" any talking points.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 9:25:18 AM

"Failed Liberal Tactic #1"

Repeated parroting of talking points - Failed Conservative Tactic #1.

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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 9:18:18 AM

You totally ignore every point made in the columns I linked to, and attack me.

Failed Liberal Tactic #1
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"You sure don't do any type of research do you? GM made the decision to shut down the Oldsmobile division in December 2000 because of shortfall in sales and overall profitability. So who was President during that time? Wasn't President Bush or Clinton's fault. The problem with Saturn can be traced back to the 1990's. How many models did you see come out during that timeframe?"

It doesn't seem you do much either, with regards to this subject.

"The nose dive can be linked on a big scale with the sub-prime housing market. A problem that started in the late 1990's before Bush even assumed office. Look specifically in the State of Ohio."

True - the deregulation efforts spanned many Administrations. But that doesn't mean that W didn't play his part...

"Credible, non-biased source to back that up?"

No, he can't. Plus I think he won't, as I have heard he has been banned.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 9:00:23 AM

"Double and triple ouch. Damn, the truth hurts!"

And yet you claim not to parrot talking points - LOL!
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PegasusAT
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 12:06:16 AM

>>Buzz, EvilBushJr. knocked the DOW stock market index DOWN from 12,000 to 6,000 and still plummeting...<<

As usual you back up your statements with no credible evidence. The Dow was not knocked down by President Bush. The nose dive can be linked on a big scale with the sub-prime housing market. A problem that started in the late 1990's before Bush even assumed office. Look specifically in the State of Ohio.

>>unemployment headed toward 100%,..<<

Credible, non-biased source to back that up?

>>two unneeded, unending, longest wars in USA history with 12,000 Americans needlessly dead..<<

One of those wars would be Afghanistan which was supported by a lot of Democrats so you lost that argument.

>>Plymouth, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Mercury, Saturn, Holden, and Saab MotorCar Companies destroyed, GM and Chrysler in bankruptcy, Ford quivering..<<

You sure don't do any type of research do you? GM made the decision to shut down the Oldsmobile division in December 2000 because of shortfall in sales and overall profitability. So who was President during that time? Wasn't President Bush or Clinton's fault. The problem with Saturn can be traced back to the 1990's. How many models did you see come out during that timeframe?

>>2005 Fast&Furious gun running scandal..<<

There were two Gun Walking operations...Fast and Furious was not run while President Bush was in office you would be thinking of Operation Linebacker which ran from 2006-2008. Operation Fast and Furious ran from 2009 to 2011..the time frame of President Obama. Nice try...



[Edited by: PegasusAT at 10/24/2014 12:06:53 AM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:02:51 PM

rjhenn, >>It's pure politics, not law. <<
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Declaring Obama's actions as political and not law is absurd. It may well be political but his actions undermine the United States Constitution. With that document being the baisis for our freedoms as individuals and the consequential prosperity of our nation and Obama's own promise to"fundamentally change America," we jeopardize our future should we fail to address these encroachments.

The Administrative Proceedure Act of 1946 purpose, in my opinion, was to curtail politics if not remove them from Administrative actions by the various US Agencies including the President.

"Although a number of administrative agencies had been created during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, no federal law at the time governed the conduct of these agencies. Legislation that was enacted during the New Deal era of the 1930s established a new series of administrative agencies. In 1936, President franklin d. roosevelt established the President's Committee on Administrative Management. The committee's report found that agencies were "irresponsible" and that they had been given "uncoordinated powers." Moreover, the report characterized administrative agencies as a "headless 'fourth branch' of government."

Additionally, " The APA serves to police improper agency behavior, protect public safety, and secure proper entitlements. The APA governs all three main agency functions: rulemakings, adjudications, and licensing."

In the case of the Administration changing the deadlines outlined in the Affordable Care Act, the Administration did so without consent of Congress who had originally passed the act. This was a blatant usurpation of legislative powers.

Regarding DOMA, "President Obama believes that section – Section 3 — “is unconstitutional” given the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment (including its equal protection component), Holder wrote, and the president has instructed the Department of Justice to no longer defend the law in those two lawsuits."

This would be were Obama a Supreme Court Judge and was in agreement with at least four other Supreme Court Judges.

Article III, Section 1, "The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court,…"

Need I say more?
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 5:45:54 PM

One Bad Apple: Obama and his Influence
"Barack Obama has created so much havoc with his ideology and policies that it will take us years to recover. His high-handed, pen-and-phone end runs around the Constitution ought to land him in prison, but he is creating the biggest mess by just being who he is."

"It is no wonder that his presidency has encouraged the selfish bullies who are now front and center in social policymaking. Look at what’s happening in Houston with its gay mayor’s efforts to silence evangelical pastors’ ability to teach the biblical stance on homosexuality."

"Worst of all, however, is Obama’s comfort with the lie, his willingness to dissemble and to do it right in our faces....He doesn’t hesitate to hide things for electoral convenience... Benghazi and Bergdahl being prime examples.

"The lying and the divisiveness are worse than anything I’ve ever seen in government, in American government, and I’m old enough to actually remember Eisenhower."

Obama: They Still Don't Get Who He is
"I chuckled upon hearing Bill O'Reilly say that when one more American is reported to be infected, Obama will surely implement a travel ban. Even after six years, Mr. O'Reilly is still credulous about who Obama truly is."

"Fundamentally transforming America as founded requires open borders and granting amnesty to several millions of unskilled needy illegals."

"Eventually, illegals will be granted amnesty and the right to vote. Then, the Democrats' insidious deception will begin; convincing the new faux Americans that they are victims of racist white rich Republicans. Step two is to seduce/addict them to government handouts."

Double and triple ouch. Damn, the truth hurts!
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 1:03:11 PM

None of which says the President can't make minor adjustments in implementing a law, as long as the final result is what Congress intended.

Congress, in the 1946 Administrative Procedures Act, authorized executive discretion in the actual setting up process. The USSC, in 1984's Chevron v. NRDC, also supported the concept.

And the executive branch has done the exact same thing dozens of times before, in multiple administrations, without Congress making a peep about it.

It's pure politics, not law.

[Edited by: rjhenn at 10/23/2014 1:04:47 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 6:37:05 PM

rjhenn, >>But he does have the authority to make adjustments in timing, if he can demonstrate reasonable need.<<
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From the US Constitution:

Article II, Section 1.8
"Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: -- "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Article I, Section 1
"All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."

Article I, Section 8.1
"The Congress shall have Power to ….."

Article I, Section 8.18
"8.18 To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

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Weasel, >>If you are able to show me where the Supreme Court has ruled as you have accused, I will retract from my position.<<
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The Republican Party Leadership is made up of cowards. They know bringing this up might possibly lose the upcoming election as they would be presented as racists and promoting grid lock. In order for the Supreme Court to make a ruling, it first must be voted upon. And the chances of this getting by Harry Reid and his gang? Nil.

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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:03:03 PM

MahopacJack - "From "ARE PRESIDENT OBAMA'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS CONSTITUTIONAL?"

If they're unconstitutional, why hasn't anyone taken him to court?

That is the Constitutional way to handle that, not just spout propaganda.

"He does not have the authority to make, change or eliminate laws."

But he does have the authority to make adjustments in timing, if he can demonstrate reasonable need.

[Edited by: rjhenn at 10/22/2014 1:04:11 PM EST]
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"BS!

He does not have the authority to make, change or eliminate laws. This is what is causing a Constitutional crisis. He is getting away with the usurpation because of a divided Congress, a weak Republican party, and ignorance of the public. This ignorance is partly the result of the media's fear of being labelled racist.

If you are able to show where the Constitution grants the authority to make, change, or remove laws to the Executive Branch, I will retract from my position."

If you are able to show me where the Supreme Court has ruled as you have accused, I will retract from my position.

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Weasel, >>With nothing able to pass through Congress he is using the authority at his disposal to keep working. If what he is doing is 'truly' unconstitutional than his decisions will be challenged and reviewed, as is our process and thus in keeping with the checks and balances of our government.

Otherwise it is just your opinion that you don't like the decisions Obama is making and nothing more…<<

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BS!

He does not have the authority to make, change or eliminate laws. This is what is causing a Constitutional crisis. He is getting away with the usurpation because of a divided Congress, a weak Republican party, and ignorance of the public. This ignorance is partly the result of the media's fear of being labelled racist.

If you are able to show where the Constitution grants the authority to make, change, or remove laws to the Executive Branch, I will retract from my position.

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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 9:47:43 AM

He is and has been PATHETIC..In my opinion..

[Edited by: Scanman at 10/22/2014 9:48:09 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:46:24 AM

"He wants to destroy us..."

If by 'us' you mean bigots, I'm afraid I'm on his side on that one...

"Each unilateral action by the president substituted for a failed legislative proposal. "I've got a pen, and I've got a phone," he said.""

With nothing able to pass through Congress he is using the authority at his disposal to keep working. If what he is doing is 'truly' unconstitutional than his decisions will be challenged and reviewed, as is our process and thus in keeping with the checks and balances of our government.

Otherwise it is just your opinion that you don't like the decisions Obama is making and nothing more...
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:21:44 AM

He wants to destroy us...
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rjhenn. >>He might have a point on immigration. As far as ObamaCare goes, BO hasn't done anything that other presidents haven't done, or anything that the Supreme Court hadn't previously ruled as constitutional. <<
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The Constitution gives the power to create, change or eliminate laws soley to Congress. The Chief Executive is charged with the responsibilty to carry out those laws and takes an oath to do so upon entering office.

From "ARE PRESIDENT OBAMA'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS CONSTITUTIONAL? :

"In the spring of 2012, President Obama issued an aggressive string of executive orders to combat what he viewed as hopelessly-deadlocked Congress. Some of his more controversial, and arguably unconstitutional executive orders are as follows:

1. Directed the Justice Department to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act;

2. Gave states waivers from federal mandates if they agreed to education overhauls;

3. Changed significant provisions of and the timing of Obamacare;

4. Declared an anti-gay-rights law unconstitutional;

5. Reshaped immigration policy by ordering the federal government to halt deportation of certain illegal immigrants.

Each unilateral action by the president substituted for a failed legislative proposal. "I've got a pen, and I've got a phone," he said."

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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 5:07:35 PM

MahopacJack - "It is not the number but the extent of the damage done to our Freedom that brought me to make my statement."

I don't see that statement being anything other than rhetoric.

"Krauthammer on Obama's Executive Orders, 'A Republican would be impeached.'"

He might have a point on immigration. As far as ObamaCare goes, BO hasn't done anything that other presidents haven't done, or anything that the Supreme Court hadn't previously ruled as constitutional.
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 2:50:57 PM

"IMO he took the czar job to get on the fast track for either the counselor
or chief of staff job."

Which only works if he succeeds...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 2:49:44 PM

"Do you think you are capable of actually responding to the points made in the column? *cough*cough*"

Do you think you are actually capable to responding to the point made? Or is defending the Patriot Act (as not infringing on our freedoms) that tough?

*wink*wink*
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 2:37:30 PM


<<I have no reason not to. Medical knowledge is not what is in short supply - coordinating these various resources and setting-up lines of communication is what is needed. One need not have a medical degree to coordinate this effort...>>>

Klain won't testify on Friday because he will only be in his tenure for three days. Or shall we say he is not ready to talk about Ebola or anything else medical related. He doesn't need a degree just some medical knowledge to coordinate things properly.

Administration insiders say Ron Klain, will be in line to succeed John Podesta as counselor to President Barack Obama when Podesta leaves, likely to chair Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

Klain also would be a candidate to succeed chief of staff Denis McDonough, although McDonough seems to love his job and may stay, the insiders said.
The counselor job — which before Podesta was held by longtime Obama confidant Pete Rouse — is a big-think, wise-man counterpart to the chief of staff, without the administrative responsibility. IMO he took the czar job to get on the fast track for either the counselor
or chief of staff job.

[Edited by: SAVMOR at 10/21/2014 2:43:32 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:30:01 PM

Do you think you are capable of actually responding to the points made in the column? *cough*cough*
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:17:45 PM

"The Blood on 0bama’s Hands" = more parroted talking points...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:16:44 PM

"but the extent of the damage done to our Freedom"

*cough* Patritot Act *cough*...
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:07:42 PM

Political writer David Horowitz unloads on 0bama:

The Blood on 0bama’s Hands

"When conservatives consider the casualties of Obama’s national security policies, their attention is drawn quite naturally to Benghazi."

"Benghazi can be seen as the collateral damage caused by presidential lies – and worse – presidential denial that there is in fact a war that Islamists have declared on America."

"The casualties of Obama’s reign in Benghazi are dwarfed by the hundreds of thousands of deaths his policies have led to in Syria and Iraq, and the millions of Iraqis, Syrians and Lybians that those same policies have caused to flee their homes and become homeless in Turkey, Tunisia and other places of refuge."

"Obama deliberately and openly surrendered America’s gains in Iraq, which had been won through the sacrifice of thousands of American lives and tens of thousands of American casualties."

"In abandoning Iraq and deliberately losing the peace, he betrayed every American and every Iraqi who gave their lives to keep Iraq out of the hands of the terrorists and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

Libya - "Al-Qaeda is now a dominant force in Libya, and 1.8 million Libyans – a third of the population – have fled to Tunisia. Another brutal Obama legacy. Yet, how firm is Obama’s commitment to humanitarian interventions? In Iraq he stood by while more than half a million Christians were either slaughtered or driven into exile by ISIS..."

But 0bama ended two wars and brought our boys home. His deluded supporters will tell you that. Along with "Bin Laden is dead and al-Qaeda is on the run".
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:59:00 AM

I think obama is on wrong track and has been from the get go!!
History will show him on bottom of list even below Mr. Carter!!
Mr. Carter is thankful that obama was elected !!!!!
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 11:46:06 AM

rjhenn, >>183 is easily counted, and is a lot less than Shrub's 291.<<

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It is not the number but the extent of the damage done to our Freedom that brought me to make my statement.

Krauthammer on Obama's Executive Orders, "A Republican would be impeached."

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[Edited by: MahopacJack at 10/21/2014 11:48:07 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:41:06 AM

"So tell me WS do you agree with the appointment of Klain?"

I have no reason not to. Medical knowledge is not what is in short supply - coordinating these various resources and setting-up lines of communication is what is needed. One need not have a medical degree to coordinate this effort...
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