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KnoxGasPriceSpy

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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2012 2:50:56 PM

What is your opinion on Obama?
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johnsell
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 5:32:25 PM

Spit - "Keep parroting those talking points from the Tea Partiers...."

That is so unlike you to not address the issues, but instead try to invalidate the points by saying they are from the Tea Party.

What difference does it make whether the Tea Party makes the points or whether it was someone else? What is your response?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 4:31:37 PM

"'Shared Fault' is just more anti-Truman buck passing. FAIL !!!!!!"

Keep parroting those talking points from the Tea Partiers....
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 2:56:41 PM

Well, weasle, this writer saw that MSN report coming.
Obama will pay a price for blaming intelligence services for ISIS failures. The only question is how high it will be.
"President Obama’s 60 Minutes interview, taped last Friday and aired Sunday, is turning out to be a disaster for him, and may even be a tipping point of sorts. There are six dimensions to the disaster."
1. By blaming the intelligence community for his failure to act on the ISIS threat, he ensured that a series of damaging leaks will be coming, and they are already starting.
2. Obama has now handed his political opponents a big issue. He has failed in his duty to protect America.
3. The media, which had invested so much in his success for so many years, is having a hard time coping with such a naked demonstration of personal irresponsibility on such grave matters.
4. There is a substantial public record that Obama was warned on not just ISIS but several related national security issues, and ignored them for political benefit – to maintain his 2012 election narrative that Al Qaeda was decimated and on the run.
5. National security is a gut-level issue, and Obama is forming an image of someone unable to muster the level of concern or leadership necessary to protect us.
6. There is disturbing evidence that Obama is just not interested enough in the hard, detailed, and potentially boring minutiae of national security. He has attended less than half (42.7%) of the Presidential Daily Briefings in the first 2079 days of his presidency.

Six time Ouch!
'Shared Fault' is just more anti-Truman buck passing. FAIL !!!!!!
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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 2:13:57 PM

So.........Obama did call them jv's and the buck does not stop here like with Truman but the buck stops there with Obama......anywhere but with him.

The saying "the buck stops here" derives from the slang expression "pass the buck" which means passing the responsibility on to someone else.

In his farewell address to the American people given in January 1953, President Truman referred to this concept very specifically in asserting that, "The President--whoever he is--has to decide. He can't pass the buck to anybody. No one else can do the deciding for him. That's his job."
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johnsell
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 2:08:44 PM

Spit good report. Here is another which puts the Middle East in perspective:

Is it time to admit Arab civilization is lost forever?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 12:39:12 PM

Most balanced report of how the ISIS situation has developed that I have seen to-date.
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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 12:04:44 PM

President Obama is always shifting the blame and passing the buck -

"One wouldn't be surprised if President Obama's Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, woke up Monday morning checking for tire tracks after his boss effectively threw him under the bus for having "underestimated" the threat posed by the Islamic State militant group."

Ex-CIA head, James Woolsey, questions if president was 'paying attention' to assessments as Obama blamed intel for missing ISIS.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 11:17:08 AM

"I think it's well past time that someone from outside the Secret Service looks into the security protocol at the White House. Have a different set of eyes look at it and make recommendations."

That is never a bad idea.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 11:16:07 AM

"The Bush effort had a fairly broad coalition as well weasel."

Yeah, we dragged a lot of our allies into that one - hard to save face by saying 'No' to 'war on terror'. That is a far cry from support, however, especially given the early withdrawals of members of the coalition.

"Plus a dozen unanimous Un resolutions leading up to his action."

But none authorizing war. In fact, Kofi Annan has indicated in '04 that the war was illegal based on the UN Charter.

"Lets see how many of Mr. Obama's new BFF's put any boots on the ground."

Indeed. Those with interests in the region should be scrambling to eradicate this threat from their borders, not waiting for somebody else to do it for them, as is widely expected I am sure...
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 11:42:33 PM

The man who jumped the White House fence this month and sprinted through the front door made it much farther into the building than previously known, overpowering one Secret Service officer and running through much of the main floor, according to three people familiar with the incident.

After barreling past the guard immediately inside the door, Gonzalez, who was carrying a knife, dashed past the stairway leading a half-flight up to the first family’s living quarters. He then ran into the 80-foot-long East Room, an ornate space often used for receptions or presidential addresses.

Gonzalez was tackled by a counterassault agent at the far southern end of the East Room. The intruder reached the doorway to the Green Room, a parlor overlooking the South Lawn with artwork and antique furniture, according to three people familiar with the incident.

White House Fence-Jumper Made it Far Deeper Into Building

I think it's well past time that someone from outside the Secret Service looks into the security protocol at the White House. Have a different set of eyes look at it and make recommendations. This could have gotten ugly.
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 11:13:03 PM

>>Buzz, for a country whose young people go on vacation while ours die for their country and do the bidding of Israel...<<

Care to back that statement up with credible, non-biased facts?

So what happens when ISIS shoots down one of the coalition aircraft and manages to take the pilot as a prisoner?
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 9:30:29 AM

Not my "president"
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 4:10:45 AM

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. Pres. Obama knows ISIS is NOT our fight... we'll provide AirCover if the people of those countries want to fight for their countries, instead of being beheaded... but we aren't getting our troops killed again for a country that won't defend itself... for a country whose young people go on vacation while ours die for their country and do the bidding of Israel...
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 12:54:39 AM

That's very big of him, to say "we" underestimated ISIL.
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 10:22:28 PM

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< reb4: "Liberal base sours on Obama" >

. LOL! Right up until they remember what the EvilBushies will do if they get the chance:

+ Oh HELL NO! ... What EvilBushies Want to DO !!! +
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 9:48:24 PM

President Obama acknowledged that the U.S. underestimated the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS, also called ISIL) and overestimated the ability of the Iraqi military to fend off the militant group in an interview that will air Sunday on 60 Minutes.

The president was asked by 60 Minutes correspondent Steve Kroft about comments from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who has said the U.S. not only underestimated ISIS, it also overestimated the ability and will of the Iraqi military to fight the extremist group.

Obama: U.S. Underestimated Rise of ISIS
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johnsell
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 12:32:02 PM

SNL seems to have a handle on Obama........

SNL Tries to Cheer Up, Obama: ‘After the Mid-Term Elections, Pretty Much Nothing You Do Will Matter’
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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 9:49:36 AM

It is a late comment but the UN was not the appropriate place to bring up Ferguson, MO. Of course Obama is so out of touch with our government, the world and the office he is in what did we expect?
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 7:11:31 PM

The Bush effort had a fairly broad coalition as well weasel. Plus a dozen unanimous Un resolutions leading up to his action. I'm surprised the current WH didn't so much as sneeze at the UN.

Lets see how many of Mr. Obama's new BFF's put any boots on the ground.

[Edited by: airfresh at 9/27/2014 7:11:55 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 1:33:20 PM

reb4 - "Liberal base sours on Obama"

Despite his less than stellar record, he's still polling better than Congress is.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 9:37:59 AM

Liberal base sours on Obama
THis headline is hardly accurate, as we can see in GB land... But here it is...
"By Justin Sink - 09/26/14 06:00 AM EDT
President Obama's poll numbers are plummeting in deep-blue states such as New York and California, with core liberal supporters who have stuck with him through thick and thin beginning to sour on his leadership.

Obama’s decisions to punt on immigration reform, defend government surveillance and attack fighters in the Middle East have all alienated parts of the coalition that elected him twice to the White House.

The growing dissatisfaction on the left could limit Obama's ability to help Democrats in the midterm elections, and could threaten his political legacy if — as happened with George W. Bush — his party begins to abandon him.

The slipping support for Obama is most evident in a pair of recent surveys of Democratic strongholds. Just 39 percent of registered New York voters surveyed in a Marist College poll said Obama is doing an "excellent" or "good" job, down six points from June and the lowest level in the state since the beginning of his presidency.
Earlier this month, only 45 percent of California voters said they approved of how Obama was handling his job — a 5 percent decrease from June.

National polls also suggest a growing discontent.

A YouGov survey released last week showed that the president’s approval rating at just 40 percent, and that among Democrats, Obama had slipped eight points since June."
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 9:08:26 AM

"By the way, what you consider 'grounded in reality' merely means that your reality is that which is agreed upon by those you agree with."

Actually, with regards to Beck, my 'reality' is supported by the facts - Beck, more than the average talking head, winds up on the wrong side what we find out to be the truth.

"Again this thread is about Obama, however by your accusation, he spreads nothing but lies to those you think are gullible. Do you believe he spreads nothing but lies?"

Obama? No. Beck? No. Neither spreads 'only' lies...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 9:04:11 AM

"After watching his UN speech it looks like we're in the third Bush term only worse. We're not only at war in Iraq and Afghanistan but Syria too. Wait till he "ends" the war in Afghanistan. Corrupt + incompetent = failure."

Except that unlike Bush's campaign against WMD's, this effort has multi-national support.... I wonder why?

Getting rid of Saddam was a good thing, but let's not place labels where they don't belong.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 9:02:20 AM

"OTOH, the current situation is making it clear to many, including many moderate Muslims, how much of a threat radical Islam has become, both to the world and to Islam itself."

True! I have even heard reports now of Muslims in city's behind enemy lines creating 'resistance cells' where they plan missions against ISIS fighters to keep them uncomfortable (clearly they don't have the capacity to drive them out on their own).

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runningmp
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2014 12:12:56 AM

Weasle, in regards to Maliki I don't think that he was the bigger problem. It was the SOFA we wanted was to be approved by the Iraqi parliament. Good luck with that as divided as they are.

rjhenn, I was talking about our military intelligence. Trying to play catch up really puts you in a bind.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 8:39:25 PM

After watching his UN speech it looks like we're in the third Bush term only worse. We're not only at war in Iraq and Afghanistan but Syria too. Wait till he "ends" the war in Afghanistan. Corrupt + incompetent = failure.
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johnsell
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 8:29:25 PM

rj - "Or that he understood what the reaction from the Republicans would have been."

That is my point, even if what you say would have been true, the fact that he didn't try to do what he may have thought was the right thing to do only leaves us to fill in the void with is his inaction without his reasons.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 6:45:35 PM

johnsell - "The point is that he didn't even try, which only shows his weakness."

Or that he understood what the reaction from the Republicans would have been.

"If one has an opinion he believes to be true, it may or may not be told with deliberate intent to deceive. If it is later found to be incorrect, it does not make it a lie but a mistake in opinion, unless it was intended."

I said "whether or not you [i.e., the listener] believe them", not "whether or not the one uttering the falsehood believes it". Sorry if that wasn't clear.

"Name calling and generalities doesn't change anyone's mind and that's not to say I haven't done that also, but it's not the way to bring about any agreement."

Agreed.
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johnsell
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 6:24:48 PM

Spit - "Strange, I have been critical of Obama as well and have posted said criticisms here in this thread. Have you 'ever' been critical of Beck?"

That's true, however very rarely and while this is not a thread on Glenn, as I have said many times, he's not perfect, something he also knows and repeatedly says to verify anything he infers, which is more than I can say for Obama.

"He has the right to spread his lies to any who are gullible enough to believe them outright, with some even paying to hear more. And you can expect those of us grounded in reality to continue to express our First Amendment Right to correct said propaganda ;)."

Again this thread is about Obama, however by your accusation, he spreads nothing but lies to those you think are gullible. Do you believe he spreads nothing but lies? By the way, what you consider 'grounded in reality' merely means that your reality is that which is agreed upon by those you agree with.
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johnsell
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 5:37:32 PM

rj - "After the flack they gave him for what little he did in Libya, do you think the Republicans would have stood aside and let him do anything but ignore the situation in Syria?"

The point is that he didn't even try, which only shows his weakness.

"Lies are lies, whether or not you believe them."

I have to disagree with you on that. Per the definition, a lie - is a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

If one has an opinion he believes to be true, it may or may not be told with deliberate intent to deceive. If it is later found to be incorrect, it does not make it a lie but a mistake in opinion, unless it was intended.

"And Weasle's a lot milder than many of the "thought bullies" you agree with."

Whether that may be the case, the point is thought bulling only shows inconsideration and lack of ability to communicate one's point with enough truth to bring agreement and understanding to the other person. Name calling and generalities doesn't change anyone's mind and that's not to say I haven't done that also, but it's not the way to bring about any agreement.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 3:28:13 PM

Cirdan - "The value of remaining behind is the Sunni's could trust the US"

Yet didn't.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 3:27:57 PM

runningmp - "With that being said the one thing that should have been left behind was a small force that dealt with intelligence. That's the one thing that the Iraqis lack and something that they could have used."

Are you talking about military intelligence, or that thing that neither their nor our politicians seem to have very much of?

"I don't know if I could trust either side but the lack of support that we didn't give to certain rebels allowed for the dynamic growth of ISIS/ISIL. We could have taken care of this cancer way before it became the problem it is now."

OTOH, the current situation is making it clear to many, including many moderate Muslims, how much of a threat radical Islam has become, both to the world and to Islam itself.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 1:18:32 PM

"I can't believe he brought up Ferguson at the UN."

I'm not surprised. Many missed the point he was making...
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 11:37:13 AM

Obummer stinks!

Can't wait to get a Republican back in office!

ANY Republican!!!
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 8:53:00 AM

Oh gosh, yet another stop on his "apology tour". I can't believe he brought up Ferguson at the UN.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 8:12:03 AM

"We were a tempering force to prevent the Shias from just running over everyone else."

We can't be there forever. They have been battling each other for a millennia...

"The value of remaining behind is the Sunni's could trust the US..."

Except that they didn't want us there.

"We've had troops in Germany since 1949, and in S. Korea since the 50's."

Their role is no longer to patrol Germany/S. Korea and keep the peace in those countries, but rather maintain a regional presence and enhancing our ability to deploy globally. Germany/S. Korea allows the US's presence...
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 8:03:57 AM

again buzz... nothing of value ...
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 3:03:43 AM

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. Yes, to the Evilbushies, Pres. Obama saluting with a coffee cup in his hand is actually worse than EvilBushJr. getting 12,000 Americans KILLED, 50,000 WOUNDED for nothing, creating two unneeded wars and winning none, failing to get his friend Osama bin Laden, creating the Toxic Mortgage Scandal to get re-elected in 2004, creating the 2005 Fast&Furious Scandal, and bankrupting the USA and most of the world by Sept. 2008...

. In fact, Pres. Obama's coffee cup salute was nearly as bad as Pres. Clinton's blowjob...

. We've had Troops in Germany since 1944 and Japan since 1945, we learned from WWII coming so soon after WWI that the evil Catholic Hitlerites in Germany and the evil Shinto Hitlerites in Japan were still just unde the surface waiting to flare up again...

. EvilBushJr. left the wrong people in charge of Iraq... he booted the moderate secular Sunnis out and put the extremist Shiites in, figuring they were better because they were more religious... and also cut off right hands, stoned women to death, did male and female circumcisions, killed people for minor reasons, etc...
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2014 12:38:14 AM

We've had troops in Germany since 1949, and in S. Korea since the 50's.

The value of remaining behind is the Sunni's could trust the US, when there was no way they could trust the Iraqi government. We were a tempering force to prevent the Shias from just running over everyone else.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 11:27:46 PM

"In regards to President Obama and the cup of coffee I could care less but to others out the perception is different."

I'll agree with you on that, with the only caveat being that some people only care at the moment because of the Party the President represents...
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 11:26:07 PM

"With that being said the one thing that should have been left behind was a small force that dealt with intelligence. That's the one thing that the Iraqis lack and something that they could have used."

Unfortunately Iraq (Maliki) didn't want us there anymore...

"We could have taken care of this cancer way before it became the problem it is now."

That was already looked at in great detail - as I posted earlier;

"If the US were to try to supply arms to one of the more moderate factions, there is no guarantee that those arms wouldn't end-up in the arms of ISIS - much as the arms we left in Iraq did."
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 11:22:53 PM

>>Weasle, Based on the actions taken last night against ISIS - I'd say 'yes'..<<

I'll disagree with you on that. The political will I'm talking about wouldn't get you re-elected. You fight dirty, quit being nice.

In regards to President Obama and the cup of coffee I could care less but to others out the perception is different.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 11:18:17 PM

>>Weasle, Correct. Iraq's government has to learn how to stand on its own at some point - we can't be there forever...<<

With that being said the one thing that should have been left behind was a small force that dealt with intelligence. That's the one thing that the Iraqis lack and something that they could have used.

>>ISIS built up their forces in Syria due to the civil war there; the one where there is no clear side to support given the various factions...<<

I don't know if I could trust either side but the lack of support that we didn't give to certain rebels allowed for the dynamic growth of ISIS/ISIL. We could have taken care of this cancer way before it became the problem it is now.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 10:45:56 PM

makes you go hummmmmmmmmm
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 9:36:06 PM

"President Obama stepped of his helicopter and saluted a pair of Marines while holding a coffee cup in the same hand, two hours after speaking to the nation about the airtrikes in Syria. He had a free hand. Why didn't he switch the cup into his other hand and salute properly? The half-hearted salute just proves some more of his arrogance."

STOP THE PRESS!!! BREAKING NEWS!!! MORE FALSE OUTRAGE!!!

LOL ;)

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 9/24/2014 9:36:27 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 9:34:53 PM

"Typical of the minions of Obama........"

Strange, I have been critical of Obama as well and have posted said criticisms here in this thread. Have you 'ever' been critical of Beck?

"Guess Glenn doesn't have the right to voice his First Amendment Right 'OPINIONS'"

He has the right to spread his lies to any who are gullible enough to believe them outright, with some even paying to hear more. And you can expect those of us grounded in reality to continue to express our First Amendment Right to correct said propaganda ;) .
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:43:28 PM

and that's just your opinion.... nothing of value ...
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:37:47 PM

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. so Glenn Beck gets off the hook because he's an evil lying idiot so no one should expect his statements or "opinions" to reflect reality in the slightest...
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:22:27 PM

SAVMOR - "Why didn't he switch the cup into his other hand and salute properly?"

Because he is, and has always been, a civilian?
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:22:07 PM

johnsell - "Pathetic justification for knowing it was coming and not taking immediate action when it started and also ignoring the Syria situation till now. Shows more and more how much his lack of military inexperience and refusal to follow advice of his Generals is taking its toll."

After the flack they gave him for what little he did in Libya, do you think the Republicans would have stood aside and let him do anything but ignore the situation in Syria?

"Announcement: It seems to have been decided by some that anything posted, whether a link of someone else or your own 'opinions' are now considered lies if not proven by whatever source some wish to believe. So beware of those who will twist anything you say in an attempt to invalidate anything you might say now and in the future. The First Amendment is not alive and well here as the thought bullies are out and in action. Enough said."

Lies are lies, whether or not you believe them.

And Weasle's a lot milder than many of the "thought bullies" you agree with.
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