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KnoxGasPriceSpy

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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2012 2:50:56 PM

What is your opinion on Obama?
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 8:54:51 PM

naw, >>He IS the BEST President ever!!!<<
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What leads you to say this?
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Colorado wacky-weed..??? lol....
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[Edited by: KnoxGasPriceSpy at 12/18/2014 8:55:53 PM EST]
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 8:45:48 PM

well... you just proved my point... thank you... ;)
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 7:41:20 PM

KnoxGasPriceSpy - "Well, it looks like you have no idea what assumption means."

Given our mutual past experiences, it seems more likely that you don't.

Even more likely that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 11:33:01 AM

naw, >>He IS the BEST President ever!!!<<
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What leads you to say this?
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Snowplowerguy
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 11:08:15 AM


He is a LOSER!!!!!!
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naw
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 7:16:08 AM

He IS the BEST President ever!!!
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2014 7:11:54 AM

Well, it looks like you have no idea what assumption means.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 7:09:13 PM

johnsell - "Well maybe he's going to get slapped again........."

Maybe.

If a higher court takes up the case.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 7:09:00 PM

KnoxGasPriceSpy - "that's an asinine assumption..."

Well, it is your assumption.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 6:58:04 PM

MahopacJack - "Have you EVER heard of Jonathan Gruber?"

Sure, isn't he the architect of the law that ObamaCare is modeled after, that Romney signed into law when he was governor of Mass?

7;-]

[Edited by: rjhenn at 12/17/2014 6:58:19 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 3:14:31 PM

"Have you EVER heard of Jonathan Gruber?"

Sure I have, he recently became a popular talking point on right-wing media sites... I would challenge YOU to actually review the point he made last month, rather than listen to what was parroted by the right;

"Was Gruber making a larger point here that we're missing? Definitely. If you can get past his condescending tone and insults, Gruber's speeches actually offer some insight into how policy is impacted by politics. "If you had a law which said healthy people are going to pay in -- if you made it explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed, OK?" Gruber said. And while the (impartial) jury on the Affordable Care Act is still out, the law has lowered that national uninsured rate and, so far, the law is proving to be cheaper than expected."

"Maybe you should do a little investigating on why there is so many pages..."

Read-up. Enjoy. While your at it, why don't you some more research to better identify relevant examples to help prove your assertion regarding a do-nothing Congress being a good thing?

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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 1:13:54 PM

Weasel, >>"ObamaCare was over 2,700 pages and I heard they were followed by an additional estimated 30,000 pages of regulations."

Unfortunately necessary given people try to game the system by finding loop holes wherever possible.<<
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Maybe you should do a little investigating on why there is so many pages. Jonathan Gruber ObamaCare's "architect" knows.

Have you EVER heard of Jonathan Gruber?

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 1:09:20 PM

"And it shows how dangerous Congress can be when there's no gridlock."

Not really... The fact that you haven't shown anything more recent than 100+ years old would be evidence of the opposite being true.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 1:08:45 PM

Weasel, >>"How many people were and CONTINUE to be hurt by this disastrous bill?"

How many people have been helped? <<
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I don't know. Harry Reid says 9 million but his numbers only add up to eight.

As for his report being accurate the link says, "Reid would have been on more solid ground if he had framed his numbers correctly — that about 9 million people now have healthh coverage through provisions in the Affordable Care Act. (For the moment, we will accept the 4 million figure for Medicaid, but that could be subject to change as more data roll in.) Instead, he strained too far and asserted that all of these Americans did not have healthh coverage before. That’s not correct.

Update: We determined that there are serious problems with the Medicaid figure, and awarded ourselves Three Pinocchios for allowing it to stand. We have also updated this rating to Three Pinocchios."

The posted link goes to another link which says the 3.9 million for Medicaid is wrong.

So, let me ask you, how many people now have health insurance that didn't have it prior to ObamaCare? You must know something this Administration doesn't.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 12:41:35 PM

Weasel, >>"Just giving examples on how the Government "fixes" problems when unleashed from gridlock."

From over a century ago…<<

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And it shows how dangerous Congress can be when there's no gridlock. The Amendment is the constant source of problems of all sorts including shuting down ongoing businesses for a nickel!

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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2014 8:37:15 AM

"Just giving examples on how the Government "fixes" problems when unleashed from gridlock."

From over a century ago...

"ObamaCare was over 2,700 pages and I heard they were followed by an additional estimated 30,000 pages of regulations."

Unfortunately necessary given people try to game the system by finding loop holes wherever possible.

"How many people were and CONTINUE to be hurt by this disastrous bill?"

How many people have been helped?

"Was there a problem with health care costs? Yes but did the Government "fix' the problems? Was there an increase or decrease in costs? Was our health care made better or worse?"

Might want to ask those who previously didn't have insurance for various reasons.

Could it be better? Undoubtedly. Unfortunately 'half' of the people who could have put their say into the Bill sat on their hands, trying to help campaign for the 2012 POTUS election. Fail.
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 8:51:16 PM

Well maybe he's going to get slapped again.........

Reports: Federal Judge Says Obama Violated the Constitution With Immigration Action
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 8:41:45 PM

that's an asinine assumption...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 7:36:11 PM

KnoxGasPriceSpy - "According to an analysis of data received by the Congressional Budget Office, The so-called Obamacare won’t reduce the federal budget deficit by $180 billion by 2019 as predicted, but will actually set the US back another $131 billion in the hole."

So you think the federal government is the only entity that spends money on medical care?

No state or local governments support emergency rooms that provide care, at a higher cost, to those without insurance. You or your employer don't pay higher insurance premiums to offset the costs of providing free or subsidized care to those who aren't covered or can't afford it?
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 7:12:49 PM

"Who do you think was picking up the tab before?

And probably spending more."..... I don't think so...
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According to an analysis of data received by the Congressional Budget Office, The so-called Obamacare won’t reduce the federal budget deficit by $180 billion by 2019 as predicted, but will actually set the US back another $131 billion in the hole.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 5:29:45 PM

What I wonder about, relative to that, is why "black lives matter" when they're killed by white cops, but not when they're killed by other blacks, which is who kills the vast majority of them.
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 5:14:56 PM

Why isn't Obama commenting on the negative chants heard in NYC yesterday about the police? Even his top cop, Holder, is remaining mum.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 5:05:38 PM

Weasel, >>Why are you trying to give anecdotal examples from over a century ago? Can you try to be more relevant?<<
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Just giving examples on how the Government "fixes" problems when unleashed from gridlock. The Income Tax problem keeps growing and growing and just the laws are over 77,000 pages. A lot of trees gave their all for the publication of this absurd, outdated and freedom limiting method of raising revenue for the running of government.

ObamaCare was over 2,700 pages and I heard they were followed by an additional estimated 30,000 pages of regulations.

How many people were and CONTINUE to be hurt by this disastrous bill? Was there a problem with health care costs? Yes but did the Government "fix' the problems? Was there an increase or decrease in costs? Was our health care made better or worse?

BTW, those trees who were sacrificed take in CO2 and convert it to oxygen. ;-)
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 5:03:50 PM

Who do you think was picking up the tab before?

And probably spending more.

[Edited by: rjhenn at 12/16/2014 5:03:59 PM EST]
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 4:11:13 PM

income taxes are very relevant... but as usual, your act is to miss the point... also who do you think is picking up the tab for those 'millions' who were previously uninsured..?
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 3:42:03 PM

"So you're saying Obamacare helped ALL the citizens as is Congress' job to oversee?"

I'm pretty sure I outlined 'exactly' who was helped - millions who were previously uninsured. Had Obamacare been a truly bi-partisan effort it would have been a larger success... Instead the GOP held their breath and stomped their feet rather than doing their job.

"Are you also saying the Income Tax that was supposed to tax only property sales totalling over $1,000,000 (a tax on the wealthy) has been successful?"

Why are you trying to give anecdotal examples from over a century ago? Can you try to be more relevant?

In the mean time, while you applaud Congress for sitting on its hands and doing literally nothing, 'real' problems like immigration are continuing to fester and 'real' people are being affected by this every day. Just one relevant example out of many.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 12/16/2014 3:43:14 PM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 1:22:17 PM

Weasel, >>You may be OK with a Congress that continues to let problems fester to the point that they become nearly unmanageable - including allowing our debt rating to slip. I, on the other hand, expect people who are paid to do a job actually do the job. Sitting on your hands is not doing your job - try it some time, see how long you last ;) .<<
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The examples I gave ALL solved problems the Government way.

My reply to "Knox" who said "no one" likes gridlock:

"Just imagine if we had gridlock in:

+ 2010. No Obamacare.
+ July 1901, No Direct Income tax
+ May 1912, No direct election of Senators from an uniformed electorate.

The list is unfortunately long but these three decisions should at least make you reconsider your position."

So you're saying Obamacare helped ALL the citizens as is Congress' job to oversee?

Are you also saying the Income Tax that was supposed to tax only property sales totalling over $1,000,000 (a tax on the wealthy) has been successful?

Finally, are you also saying the direct election of Senators that was to end corruption and delays was successful?

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 9:59:53 AM

"If we had political grid lock in 2010, we wouldn't have the UN Affordable Care Act."

And millions wouldn't have the insurance they now possess.

"And yes, it was not bipartisan And bipartisan seldom brings gridlock."

Correct.

"I was simply stating the obvious of gridlock is not as bad as the media makes it out to be."

You may be OK with a Congress that continues to let problems fester to the point that they become nearly unmanageable - including allowing our debt rating to slip. I, on the other hand, expect people who are paid to do a job actually do the job. Sitting on your hands is not doing your job - try it some time, see how long you last ;) .

And yes, it is as bad as the media is making it out to be...
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2014 3:12:49 AM

jdhelm - "If George W. Bush had created the position 32 or more Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America, would you have approved."

G.W. had 33 czars by title, with 49 people being appointed to those positions, 28 of which were never approved by the Senate.

"If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?"

Bush did double the national debt, in terms of current dollars, during his two terms. BO hasn't managed that yet.

The last budget surplus we had was in fiscal 2001. By the end of G.W.'s reign, spending had increased from 18.2% of GDP to 24.7%, while tax revenue declined from 19.5% of GDP to 14.8%. And the economy was in ruins.

"If George W. Bush had spent more than all the Presidents combined since George Washington, would you have approved?"

In terms of current dollars, possibly. In terms of constant dollars, not even close.

"So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive?"

Nothing. How does that make him worse than G.W.?
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 11:34:17 PM

Weasel, >>+ 2010. No ObamaCare." NOT bipartisan…<<
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If we had political grid lock in 2010, we wouldn't have the UN Affordable Care Act. And yes, it was not bipartisan And bipartisan seldom brings gridlock.

I was simply stating the obvious of gridlock is not as bad as the media makes it out to be.

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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 9:59:46 PM

I came across this 4 year old item, and thot it appropriate:=========================================================================If George Bush was an idiot as liberal Democrats claim -
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and "potatoe" as proof of what a dunce he is?

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans, would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

If George W. Bush had created the position 32 or more Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America, would you have approved.

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had spent more than all the Presidents combined since George Washington, would you have approved?



So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive?
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 8:15:06 PM

Continue to be disgusted with him. What a sorry representation for a president.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 2:15:55 PM

"Just imagine if we had gridlock in:

+ 2010. No ObamaCare."

NOT bi-partisan...
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 12:33:39 PM

Knox, >>No one likes gridlock... but bipartisan from these fools scares the hell out of me..<<
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I like gridlock. It's when Congress and the President are unable to come to an agreement on how to screw us.

Just imagine if we had gridlock in:

+ 2010. No ObamaCare.
+ July 1901, No Direct Income tax
+ May 1912, No direct election of Senators from an uniformed electorate.

The list is unfortunately long but these three decisions should at least make you reconsider your position.

-mj
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 8:59:43 AM

No one likes gridlock... but bipartisan from these fools scares the hell out of me..
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 8:52:15 AM

The next 2 years should be fun!
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 1:58:20 AM

Scanman - And whose idea was that "bit of 'pork'"?
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rj..Congress went back to work and passed that Bill on Thursday to keep the Government running for a while. What wasn't completely transparent was a bit of "pork" installed that will enable "multi-employer" pension plans to be cut that are either considered in "critical" or "endangered" of being underfunded by 65% and 85% respectively.

From what I understand it will not effect anyone over the age of 75 and won't affect "every" pension, But it's a start. So the Bankers (once again), company owners and Union representatives, won't be penalized for the mismanagement of workers pension funds that they have paid into for forty/fifty years, but the workers will. Now that's certainly fair and just. Let the culprits go and penalize the worker. I read an article this morning in the local paper that a teamster currently collecting 33K and change and on disability and unable to return to the work force, could be cut to 14K. The man worked for the Teamsters for 30+ years, has a child in college, a daughter redy to enter college. Another Big Promise that Could be Compromised! Our Political System at Work.

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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 8:32:18 PM

Sure does expose the rank hypocrisy this president has.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 7:27:54 PM

MahopacJack - "He has no Constitutional authority to get Congress to do his bidding. There is no, as you stated, 'paranoia and propaganda.'"

The idea that BO's trying "to make laws all by himself" is pure propaganda and paranoia. The fact is, Congress is shirking its duty, while trying to blame everything on BO.

All of them, Democrats and Republicans, including BO, should be tossed out of office.

Maybe then we could get something done.
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 7:25:15 PM

KnoxGasPriceSpy - "well... I reckon he'll have to work with congress... like wild bill did.."

That might work.

If we ever get a Congress that's actually willing to work.
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 3:28:04 PM

rjhenn, >>No, I approve of him trying to force Congress to actually try and solve problems. I just wish he knew what he was doing.<<
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He has no Constitutional authority to get Congress to do his bidding. There is no, as you stated, "paranoia and propaganda."
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 1:23:37 PM

well... I reckon he'll have to work with congress... like wild bill did..
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rjhenn
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KnoxGasPriceSpy - "....so... I take it, you do approve that he should be able to make laws all by himself..? Wow...."

More paranoia and propaganda.

No, I approve of him trying to force Congress to actually try and solve problems. I just wish he knew what he was doing.
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KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 1:11:02 PM

"You mean he's being criticized for actually trying to do something, instead of standing around kvetching about the other side, like Congress?"....so... I take it, you do approve that he should be able to make laws all by himself..? Wow....
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 12:51:29 PM

"As long as you restrict your vote to the two major parties, "more of the same" is the best you can hope for"

My eyes are slowly being opened to this reality as well.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 12:43:45 PM

jeskibuff - "Basically, the alternatives were all "Hope & Change" retards, so "more of the same" soundly trounced "more of the same stupidity". It was a ridiculously easy choice to make in light of the massive failures of liberals, as so vividly demonstrated by the Obozo administration."

As long as you restrict your vote to the two major parties, "more of the same" is the best you can hope for.

"First of all, liberals went to the ends of the Earth to trump up charges against GWB, so there's no debating that they did their little Chicken Little routine with him."

So, pretty much the same as with BO.

As you proceed to demonstrate.
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rjhenn
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KnoxGasPriceSpy - "But then :
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'He has even brushed off criticism of his Imperial actions, saying he wears accusations that he is acting like an “Emperor” as a badge of honor.'"

You mean he's being criticized for actually trying to do something, instead of standing around kvetching about the other side, like Congress?

How horrible.

Of course, it would be better if he was trying to do something that was actually helpful, but then he'd be both competent and probably impeached.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 12:35:28 PM

"Basically, the alternatives were all "Hope & Change" retards..."

And the extremist rage blossoms again... Such hateful language too. Is it a wonder why our politics are becoming ever-more partisan?
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 12:04:56 PM

I75at7AM said: >"They" said the same things about Clinton and Bush, that near the ends of their presidencies they would declare martial law for some reason and suspend elections.....there is no provision in the Constitution to suspend elections. Any attempt by any president to stay in office past the scheduled end of their term would immediately result in there being millions of armed (and ANGRY) people in the streets.<

First of all, liberals went to the ends of the Earth to trump up charges against GWB, so there's no debating that they did their little Chicken Little routine with him. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention, but I don't recall anything similar against Clinton.

Second, since WHEN has Obozo ever shown respect and adherence to our Constitution??? Provision or not, he has a pen and a phone, you know!

Third, if there are other dire issues for Americans to consider such as total economic collapse, they may be more interested in basic survival rather than storming the castle with pitchforks and torches. Obozo's probably counting on that. I hope he surprises me and just leaves office at the end of his term, but to say that I put great distrust in such a proven liar is truly an understatement.
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 11:52:32 AM

rjhenn said: "if you're worried about this country, why did you vote for "more of the same" in this last election?"

Basically, the alternatives were all "Hope & Change" retards, so "more of the same" soundly trounced "more of the same stupidity". It was a ridiculously easy choice to make in light of the massive failures of liberals, as so vividly demonstrated by the Obozo administration.
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