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runningmp

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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2011 9:30:19 PM

In August 2005, poster Chevy12 created a topic called - Gas Prices Won't Go Down Ti'll GWB Is Out Of Office! I wonder how many posters out there are now feeling the same way about President Obama.

Using the Gas Prices tab you will find that on Jan. 29, 2009 regular gasoline in the Coastal Bend was around $1.60 a gallon. It currently is at $3.09 and only 70 cents away from the $3.79 price set in 2008. Go to Chicago using the same time period it was $1.94 on Jan. 29 and is currently at $3.44 to $3.72.

Barack Obama on Gas Prices, in Indianapolis
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 12:50:32 PM

. EvilBushies pushing for WWIII in Ukraine and N.Korea/Japan areas affecting gas prices now... U.S. troops being moved from closed war in Afghanistan to Ukraine west border, Russian troops to east border... U.S. destroyer ships being moved to Japan area... also to China/Philippines area seas...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 11:30:10 AM

"It has jumped about $0.50 in the last 2 weeks around here. We were just around $3.00 and now it is over $3.50. I have not seen anything that would make it go up that fast."

Spring refinery maintenance. When you decrease supply and demand doesn't fall...
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 10:52:19 AM

. FACT is, gas prices here in N.W. Ohio went UP to $4.50 - $5/gallon by Summer 2008 under exPres. EvilBushJr...!!! ... Gas has NEVER been that high even here 6 years later under Pres. Obama...!!!

. Gas today here is at $3.32/gallon and dropping daily now that the coldest, snowiest winter in our history is FINALLY drawing to an end... it got up into the $3.40's as a result of the weather creating a huge draw on heating energy and making fuel deliveries difficult to impossible at times... we're now looking forward to gas prices back down into the $2's in a couple weeks and even into the $1's eventually this year... part of the 'peace dividend' from Obama ending the unneeded BushJr. wars/killing/wounding... did you notice we now go days, even weeks, even MONTHS now without any of our wonderful troops/children being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan...???
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 10:51:59 AM

Gasoline is a world commodity. Supply and demand in Wisconsin does not determine the price. Worldwide supply and demand determines the price.
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 10:47:19 AM

Gas prices will go down when supply exceeds demand, which is more likely to occur when the "free market" is really free."

The USA is a major exporter of gasoline.

Price check?
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 9:44:12 AM

It has jumped about $0.50 in the last 2 weeks around here. We were just around $3.00 and now it is over $3.50. I have not seen anything that would make it go up that fast.
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 9:37:42 AM

Gas prices will go down when supply exceeds demand, which is more likely to occur when the "free market" is really free.
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 9:37:15 AM

"Weasle, sorry but your definition of bumping a topic doesn't meet the moderators criteria. Better luck next time."

Another obligatory bump of a dead thread. SMH...
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 6:51:41 AM

I agree
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 12:13:37 AM

>>Buzz, part of the 'peace dividend' from Obama..<<

Peace dividend? Why all the drone strikes if there's peace?
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 12:12:23 AM

Weasle, sorry but your definition of bumping a topic doesn't meet the moderators criteria. Better luck next time.

[Edited by: runningmp at 4/8/2014 12:12:41 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2014 5:10:31 PM

LOL, another sad bump of a dead (and misguided) thread... Let it go already runningmp.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2014 10:22:34 AM

. FACT is, gas prices here in N.W. Ohio went UP to $4.50 - $5/gallon by Summer 2008 under exPres. EvilBushJr...!!! ... Gas has NEVER been that high even here 6 years later under Pres. Obama...!!!

. Gas today here is at $3.24/gallon and dropping daily now that the coldest, snowiest winter in our history is FINALLY drawing to an end... it got up into the $3.40's as a result of the weather creating a huge draw on heating energy and making fuel deliveries difficult to impossible at times... we're now looking forward to gas prices back down into the $2's in a couple weeks and even into the $1's eventually this year... part of the 'peace dividend' from Obama ending the unneeded BushJr. wars/killing/wounding... did you notice we now go days, even weeks, without any of our wonderful troops/children being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan...???
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2014 12:07:06 AM

From the base post: "In August 2005, poster Chevy12 created a topic called - Gas Prices Won't Go Down Ti'll GWB Is Out Of Office! I wonder how many posters out there are now feeling the same way about President Obama."

--I agree. How many hypocrites are now being quiet about this now that prices are starting to go up like crazy? Again, why aren't these same idiots also suggesting that Obama could call up the oil company CEOs and order them to lower prices?
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2014 11:05:46 PM

Thanks to all the govt "dumbing down" of our motor fuels, we are not making much ground with fuel economy improvements. Your typical fuel sipper car today gets the same MPG as a decade ago - 32-33 HWY! We probably could be in the 40s by now if we had not tampered with fuels -- 33+ Summer blends! So we burn more gas for cleaner air?

Also, hydrotreating uses steam (aka fresh water supply) to remove sulfur which a portion is discharged in the atmosphere as a gas. The remaining liquids are recycled for a while then "cleaned" and sent to your local wastewater treatment pant (and returned to your faucet).

Yeah, sounds yummy -- makes me glad I am at the top of the County's water table!

I don't believe that we are making any environmental gains, just shifting pollution around and patting ourselves on the back

Ever hear of the law of diminishing returns? Sulfur has been reduced 90% the pasted decades. Passing along $10B in regulatory costs to eliminate the final traces of sulfur will not be measurable in the environment.

[Edited by: e_jeepin at 3/4/2014 11:12:27 PM EST]
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2014 9:25:14 PM

The Environmental Protection Agency announced rules Monday to slash sulfur in gasoline by two-thirds as a way to reduce smog and the respiratory problems that it can cause.

Once fully implemented in 2025, it says they'll add $72 to a car's sticker price and two-thirds of a penny to per-gallon gasoline costs.

EPA Slashes Sulfur Allowed in Gasoline

I highly doubt the 2/3's of a penny increase. When they lowered the sulfur allowed in Diesel the NRDC said it would add 5-10 cents to the price of diesel. The price of diesel went up over $1 a gallon and hasn't returned to the price level ($2.95 in the Coastal Bend) before the rules went into place.
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2014 9:28:10 AM

"Just get use to it that this topic will stay live till President Obama leaves office.

Of course it will, because you'll keep bumping the dead thread... LOL That still doesn't mean, btw, that Bush nor Obama have any powers over the private sector nor the Free Market.

"That's the best argument you got?"

Funny, I was thinking the same about your posts trying to prove Obama wrong because of a '1 cent decrease' in the price of gas'...

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 1/21/2014 9:27:19 AM EST]
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2014 9:24:59 PM

>>It was, hence your selfish bump. But hey, ell yourself whatever you like, lol! ;)..<<

Not even close...didn't meet the deadline of two months (i.e. 60 days or more). If it was past two months it would have been locked which it wasn't. Just get use to it that this topic will stay live till President Obama leaves office. Liberals on the left had no problem blaming President Bush for high gas prices so I'm just returning the favor.

>>Ah, I see, so 1 cent is a win in your world. Gotcha. <SMH>..<<

That's the best argument you got? As pointed out before if offshore oil reduces the price of gasoline at the pump it negates the point he tried to make. Using words like would not, will not make fact checkers cringe because it's easy to rebut that type of statement.
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2014 9:53:10 AM

"Thread wasn't dead according to the standard set by the mods...not your standard."

It was, hence your selfish bump. But hey, ell yourself whatever you like, lol! ;)

"Nope...you brought up transparent. So I gave you an example of transparency."

So then you could also have posted about glass, under that logic. C'mon, man.

"I'm well aware of supply and demand but to say that offshore drilling will not lower prices today, tomorrow or five years from now wouldn't hold water. If the price of gasoline went down one cent it rebuts that claim."

Ah, I see, so 1 cent is a win in your world. Gotcha. <SMH>
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2014 12:20:29 AM

>>Weasle, You don't understand global supply and demand - point taken...<<

I'm well aware of supply and demand but to say that offshore drilling will not lower prices today, tomorrow or five years from now wouldn't hold water. If the price of gasoline went down one cent it rebuts that claim.

Fact checkers have continually nailed President Obama when he makes blanket statements.
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2014 12:04:48 AM

>>Weasle, Dunno why you can't just admit that you bumped your dead thread...<<

Thread wasn't dead according to the standard set by the mods...not your standard.

>>Wrong thread...<<

Nope...you brought up transparent. So I gave you an example of transparency.

[Edited by: runningmp at 1/18/2014 12:05:10 AM EST]
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"Obama may have stalled long enough on Keystone. Looks like the Canadians are building their own pipeline and selling the oil to China and Japan. Swift move, Barack!"

What do people not understand about global supply? SMH
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 9:42:16 AM

Obama may have stalled long enough on Keystone. Looks like the Canadians are building their own pipeline and selling the oil to China and Japan. Swift move, Barack!
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 9:25:28 AM

"Nearly two months isn't as much as two months or more. Don't need to be transparent. This topic will stay alive as long as President Obama is in the White House so get use to it."

Dunno why you can't just admit that you bumped your dead thread...

"Transparency...would that be the same thing that was promised by President Obama when he became President...because that sure hasn't happen. You want your shining example....the Health Care Debate."

Wrong thread...

"Re-read what I posted again. Remember his administration was held in contempt of court."

You don't understand global supply and demand - point taken.
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2014 9:23:37 AM

"And WHY are they being shuttered?"

I just told you, they were more expensive to run thus costing the company running it profits. Here are the details;

Older refineries were set-up to run sweet-crude, which is the most expensive, but most easily convertible, form of oil. As new refineries were built/retro-fitted that could handle other forms, less demand was required of these older refineries such that their utilizations went down. When a refinery is not utilizing its capacity, it becomes a money loser - hence the closure of older refiners.

"And NO new refineries built since the 70s?

Hmmmmmmm?"

Because 'current' refineries simply added to their existing capacity for the last 30 years. Do you really think we are running under the same amount of capacity from the 70's? That would be quite laughable...
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2014 9:31:31 PM

>>Weasle, Um, 'nearly' two months with no posts, and you decided to bump your own topic. Pretty transparent...<<

Nearly two months isn't as much as two months or more. Don't need to be transparent. This topic will stay alive as long as President Obama is in the White House so get use to it. Transparency...would that be the same thing that was promised by President Obama when he became President...because that sure hasn't happen. You want your shining example....the Health Care Debate.

>>And not making a bit of difference with regards to the price of gas. This was already explained, please read again...<<

Re-read what I posted again. Remember his administration was held in contempt of court.
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Weaslespit, "along with the shuttering of older, more expensive refineries by the private sector"

And WHY are they being shuttered?

And NO new refineries built since the 70s?

Hmmmmmmm?

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2014 1:02:30 PM

"But guess who is fighting THAT too!

Do the initials BHO ring a bell?!"

Considering that existing refineries continue to increase their capacity, along with the shuttering of older, more expensive refineries by the private sector - seems like Capitalism and Free Trade are in full effect - not any 'one' politician.
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2014 12:57:57 PM

"Hadn't meant the requirement for the topic to be dead...next argument."

Um, 'nearly' two months with no posts, and you decided to bump your own topic. Pretty transparent.

"Not so..five years have passed since he made that statement. That oil from offshore drilling would already be on the market."

And not making a bit of difference with regards to the price of gas. This was already explained, please read again.
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 4:40:30 AM

I agree.
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runningmp
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2014 11:30:10 PM

>>Weasle, Dead topic anyway - why bump it?..<<

Here's what the mods have had to say:

"5) Bumping old, inactive topics. If a topic has been dead for two months or more, please do not post to it."

Hadn't meant the requirement for the topic to be dead...next argument.

>>And he is right...<<

Not so..five years have passed since he made that statement. That oil from offshore drilling would already be on the market.
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Weaslespit, "You want the price of gas to come down, you need more refinery capacity."

BINGO! and BOOM!

But guess who is fighting THAT too!

Do the initials BHO ring a bell?!

So the title of the topic seems to be more true today than it was before.

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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2014 2:49:06 PM

"Offshore drilling," he said, "would not lower gas prices today, it would not lower gas prices next year and it would not lower gas prices five years from now."

And he is right. Hydraulic fracking, however, is having an immediate impact on the amount of oil being siphoned from the ground here at home which is soon leading the US to becoming exporters, rather than importing 20% of our energy needs. Unfortunately, the amount of oil available on the free market is only one factor in the price of gas - the other (and far more influential) is supply of GAS from refineries...

You want the price of gas to come down, you need more refinery capacity. As older, sweet crude-only refineries have been shutting down due to excess capacity (as they are more expensive to run)...

Dead topic anyway - why bump it?

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Not only get rid of the kid in the white house but get rid of the democrats that are not helping us.
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And replaced with a conservative House, 60 Conservative Senators and a Conservative President
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2014 10:27:27 PM

When President Bush announced plans in 2008 to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling, Obama dismissed it, saying "it would merely prolong the failed energy policies we have seen from Washington for 30 years."

"Offshore drilling," he said, "would not lower gas prices today, it would not lower gas prices next year and it would not lower gas prices five years from now."

Obama's Double Talk on Sky-High Gas Prices
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2013 1:27:50 PM

up down up down I guess they went down from august 2008 at 4.25 a gallon.
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 9:13:06 AM

"Yes, what decade are you living in?"

The one where the US is about to become a net oil exporter due to the new technologies mentioned. You?
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 8:02:37 AM

>>So then you have never heard of hydraulic fracturing, or 'fracking'? The US is no longer dependent on OPEC - what decade are you living in? <<

The US hasn't been dependent on OPEC since we started getting the majority of our oil imports from Mexico (1980s) and Canada (2000s).
Yes, what decade are you living in?
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 12:18:18 AM

>>Cliffisher, This crap is still around?..<<

This topic will be around till President Obama leaves office. Those on the left side of the aisle had no problem keeping the topic about President Bush active till he left office so it's only fair.
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 9:33:47 PM

Germany has 13 refineries.
Russia, Norway, and the United Kingdom are the largest exporters of oil to Germany, in that order.
Germany is a net exporter of electricity.
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 3:14:55 PM

European liberals are making gas prices go down in the U.S.

They have successfully hamstrung refineries -- and in Germany, only a couple are running -- poorly at that. Nuclear electric is being banned in Germany too -- get it from France I guess?

We use to say Diesel was a by-product of gasoline production

Now it is gasoline is a by-product of Diesel production!

The U.S. is exporting Diesel like crazy to the Europeans who can't fuel themselves anymore. A glut of gasoline may be here to stay.
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 3:01:09 PM

"most likely in an effort to make these silly ineffective "Green energy" policies being pushed by the so called "Environmental Groups" maybe just maybe close to economically competitive and to keep us dependent on OPEC.Any care to commnent?"

So then you have never heard of hydraulic fracturing, or 'fracking'? The US is no longer dependent on OPEC - what decade are you living in?
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AC-302 WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THESE POLICIES ARE MISTAKEN? It should be obvious to anybody with an IQ of room temperature that these policies are wrong headed LONG AGO. Then what is the obvious conclusion? The obvious conclusion is that these policies are deliberate; most likely in an effort to make these silly ineffective "Green energy" policies being pushed by the so called "Environmental Groups" maybe just maybe close to economically competitive and to keep us dependent on OPEC.Any care to commnent?
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 9:02:11 PM

This crap is still around?

The prices were going to go down when Bush left office.

How did that work for you?
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 7:30:12 PM

Well, I think Obama has little to do with gas prices. However, I think it was wrong of Obama to 1) put previously available public land "off limits" 2) to have a moratorium on drilling in the Gulf and 3) to start shutting down coal-fired powerplants and 4) to put roadblocks in the way of the Keystone pipeline. 3 of those things do have potential impacts on gas prices. Also, I think E-15 needs to be stopped NOW. It's also a loser. I wish Obama could understand that the energy and equivalents (fertilizers, pesticides, etc) needed to produce the corn, then convert it to >99% ethanol are actually GREATER than if we simply didn't have ethanol at all in our fuel supply. I also wish Obama understood the effect of putting more than 50% of our corn crop OUT of the foodstuffs bin and placing it in industrial chemicals. He's managed to jack up the price of both food AND motor fuels by doing this. Obama seems to be enamored of the power he has to make presidential decrees. Great! Why doesn't he use his power to correct some of these bad mistakes?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 2:25:42 PM

"not like it needs to...or could..."

Stupid capitalism. Stupid Supply and Demand... <s>
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 10:23:06 AM

Whatever Tru2spu2, whatever....

Good retort, there, Tru.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 9:04:04 AM

It really isn't going down very much...not like it needs to...or could...
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