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ldheinz

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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 5:17:33 AM

This topic is for a discussion on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 7:09:30 PM

"And that majority.. is not speaking for me"

If Marijuana is legalized, nobody is going to force you to use it...

"WE tolerate alcohol being abused in this country already."

As long as nobody other then the person "abusing" alcohol is getting hurt, why is it of your concern? If it'a friend or family member, what's stopping you from intervening?

"And that type of choice making is unfair."

Why is unfair?

"That's why the laws in this country have been passed to help deter those types of choice making"

These laws have been passed todirectly limit your freeedom. Sorry, we are supposed to live in a free country, and as long as I'm not hurting anyone else, it's really no one elses business what I do...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 7:03:42 PM

"I get tired of some trying to put words in ones mouth"

When you claim society deserves better, you are indeed putting words in other peoples mouth, unless of course you believe you as an individual are "society"...
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 2:54:12 PM

rjhenn: HAVE I EVER claimed to be speaking for others in here or for society?
NO and again NO.
I get tired of some trying to put words in ones mouth.
I'm saying that society "deserves" better.. and just not settling and accepting what some are trying persuade or influence others via a study or a poll.
That some studies and polls seem to be worded a certain way to get or engineered to gain idealized opinion to be trumpeted about in here.
Or are those studied and polls not maybe designed to be one sided to push a wanton pro cannabis POV?



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/30/2014 2:56:20 PM EST]
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 2:38:42 PM

Idheinz; I'm not in here carrying on like a law is keeping me from living a simple life.
I'm in here speaking for the non pro cannabis side from my POV.
I keep seeing the word "Majority" flapping in here like its been affixed to a verbalized flag or something.
And that majority.. is not speaking for me.
Being that I'm a question asking individual and not a follower or certain ideal promoters. Being that a follower is to easy to do,
One can move overseas and get high all that they want to in Amsterdam.
I support life without the BS of legalizing another silly illegal substance needing to be hovering over the rest of societies head.
WE tolerate alcohol being abused in this country already. NOW we are being asked to tolerate again another illegal substance to be legalized and I'm going to guess its going to be abused to.
Why do I say this, because it would seem man cannot help himself but to do so.
Then those actions sooner or later mentally bleeds over into the lives of other people messing with their lives when they least expect it.
And that type of choice making is unfair.
That's why the laws in this country have been passed to help deter those types of choice making.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/30/2014 2:45:01 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 7:12:19 PM

Study: Marijuana Use Associated With Decreased Likelihood Of Domestic Violence
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 7:10:46 PM

Study: State Medical Marijuana Laws Associated With Lower Rates Of Opiate-Induced Fatalities
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 4:39:31 PM

EGN - "Has there been some new sort of debate from him? "

He still feels that everyone else's life is his to control.

fueluser10, how would you feel if people passed a law REQUIRING everyone to be high on marijuana all the time? Would you do it? Would you support that law as vigorously as you support the current law?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 4:30:56 PM

malcm: "Could legalization of pot lead to the legalization of other "feel good", but harmful drugs?. "

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition maintains that ALL drugs should be legalized. They say we should take a completely different approach to the problem of drug abuse. We should treat abuse as a mental disorder and attack it at it's cause, rather than run around getting people killed trying to deal with the effects.

Keeping drugs illegal creates the black market which causes all the violence, killings heartbreak of loss and cost of enforcement, courts and prisons.

Instead we should focus our efforts on rehab, rehab, rehab. Put all those resources from enforcement, courts and prisons into rehab. Identify problems early on and route them into treatment. Or does that make too much sense?

Take away the black market and there's nothing to fight over. Removes all the drug-related profits from gangs. Take away their market and their main source of income. Gangs would be greatly diminished. They would not have nearly as much to fight over. Many of them would give it up and disband. Many would learn that with a little education it is easier to make good money legally.

Perhaps it would also help with our race issue. Since many are convinced that skin color makes or breaks their opportunities, with so many seeking a place in this world ingenuity would replace the unimaginative drug trade. Somebody would come up with a way to utilize all that potential wealth-generating manpower.

As it is now you've got kids on the street who think they have no choice but to go into drug dealing and gangs. Take that away and they will be forced to get more creative.
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 3:00:49 PM

"When society creates rehab centers to help those who have dependency issues
I think that's a big sign that people care about people."

Actually, the majority of people going to rehab centers for marijuana aren’t there because marijuana is causing a problem, but because they’re being ordered by the courts to go as part of their penalty for getting caught.

It’s not a sign that people care about people so much as it’s a sign that some people want to force their way of life on other people and make everybody have to live the same way.
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 2:05:53 PM

Could the prohibition of pot lead to the prohibition of other "feel good" but also medically useful drugs?

The answer is that of course it could, and DID.

Almost every pain killer with the exception of salicylates and NSAIDS have an element of "feel good" about them. Because of that they can be abused if used irresponsibly.

Some of these pain killers are illegal but most of them are legal and controlled to varying degrees depending on their abuse potential.

The only exception to this is marijuana which is more illegal than any of the pain killers yet with no relationship to its abuse potential which is much less than that of every almost every other pain killer known.

It makes zero sense.
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malcm
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:47:10 PM

Could legalization of pot lead to the legalization of other "feel good", but harmful drugs?.
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:46:22 PM

Has there been some new sort of debate from him?

[Edited by: El_Gato_Negro at 8/29/2014 1:48:14 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:17:55 PM

FACT: Every time the LEAP: Law Enforcement Against Prohibition link has been posted or mentioned fueluser10 has ignored it and failed to answer any direct questions about why Law Enforcement professionals would hold the view that marijuana should be legal. Basically, they deal with people every day and can see that smoking marijuana does not cause people to be violent (exactly the opposite, actually); and they can also see that the tremendous profits for smuggling and dealing it are so attractive that people will kill police to protect those profits.

FACT: Drug dealers and smugglers want cannabis to stay illegal because if it were made legal it would wipe out their profits.

FACT: When marijuana is legalized it ends the violence associated with selling it illegally.

FACT: Teen marijuana usage rates have fallen where marijuana has been legalized.

FACT: Big Pharma also wants it to stay illegal because their harder prescription drug sales fall wherever marijuana is legalized.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:11:34 PM

fueluser10 - "Whom are you SPEAKING for SemiSteve?
Because it sure isn't for me."

Yet you claim to be speaking for parents and all of society.

"Society as a whole DESERVES better."

Exactly why the law should be changed.

"But the legalizing of an illegal drug...."

Pot wasn't made illegal by an act of God. That law was made by men, and it's increasingly clear that it was a mistake.

"So are you maybe suggesting that some people don't care about others?"

You seem to care more about the law itself than the negative effects it has on others and society.

"A law helping to take care of society is a detriment?"

When it doesn't help take care of society, but harms it instead, yes, it's a detriment.

"When society creates rehab centers to help those who have dependency issues
I think that's a big sign that people care about people."

But you favor laws that put those people in prison, instead of rehab centers.

"But the ideology of cannabis wanting to be legalized is pushing an ideal on society."

As is your ideology that the law is the law and cannot be changed.

"And LEGALIZATION is giving into an ideal. It won't solve all the issues with weed.. but just like alcohol it will continue to hinder society via some and their wanton choices."

But the law would no longer be making things worse, instead of better.

"FACT: The garbage is illegal."

And the question is whether or not it should remain illegal.

"FACT: Man is going to abuse another drug."

Man is already abusing many drugs that are illegal, including pot. All making them illegal accomplishes is to make their manufacture and distribution uncontrollable.
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:05:27 PM

FACT: Whether something is illegal or not has no bearing on whether or not it SHOULD be illegal. This has been pointed out to you dozens of times and yet still you ‘seemingly’ have an obsession with it as if you think you’ve found some great big important point. You haven’t.

FACT: The country could make more profits from taxation of marijuana than it does from not taxing marijuana. That would mean the rest of us who don’t use marijuana would pay LESS taxes. I don’t know about you but I’d rather pay less tax than more tax, but you ‘seemingly’ want to pay more taxes.
FACT: That’s that man’s business, not yours. Unless that man is going to do something to you because of those drugs then it’s none of your business to stop him.

FACT: YOU don’t know what reasons teens have for smoking weed today. YOU are not a teenager and you have told us that you don’t have any children, so don’t be so presumptuous as to tell us that you know what motivates all teenagers. They’re not all the same.

FU10 “Popular is a seriously messed up word being that its a stupid safe word.”

“Seemingly” is another seriously messed up word too being that you seem to think it’s some sort of safe word. So what’s your point?

“The studies and polls that have been done are seemingly nothing more than hyped side sales pitches to make weed seem more societal friendly. In other words, its like buttering up the public to the ideal.”

So in your opinion you consider that the American Medical Association, the New England Journal of Medicine, the Lancet, and all the other esteemed medical journals and organizations in the world are just making hyped up sales pitches so some people can get high?

That is one of the most screwed up theories I have ever heard from anybody. Since when did you get multiple degrees and learn more than all the medical researchers in the nation?
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:46:21 AM

FACT:The garbage is illegal,except in Colorado and Washington.
FACT:Those two states are going to make profit via taxation with casual weed/rest of the states will presume taxation as usual.
FACT:Not every man is going to abuse another drug
FACT:Teens could/could not be smoking weed to be rebellious.Smoking weed could/could not be deemed popular. (Your only using your opinion to support your belief)

[Edited by: midorishonen at 8/29/2014 1:47:56 AM EST]
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 5:54:03 PM

FACT: The garbage is illegal.
FACT: The country is going to make profits via taxation with or without the need for casual weed.
FACT: Man is going to abuse another drug.
FACT: Teens smoking weed today is not being rebellious, its to much about doing what been deemed as popular.
Popular is a seriously messed up word being that its a stupid safe word.
The studies and polls that have been done are seemingly nothing more than hyped side sales pitches to make weed seem more societal friendly.
In other words, its like buttering up the public to the ideal.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/28/2014 5:56:20 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 5:06:48 PM

FU: "We have all this MOUNTING EVIDENCE in support?"

Why yes, we do. Shall we recap just a few link titles which have been provided?
(just scroll back in the topic to find these actual links)

Use of Marijuana Said to Reduce Deaths From Painkillers by Almost 25 Percent
Could Hemp Nanosheets Become the Ideal Supercapacitor?
Poll: Two-Thirds Of Americans Say Private Consumption Of Cannabis Should Be Legal
Colorado: Teen Marijuana Use, Traffic Fatalities Fall Post-Legalization
Washington: Retail Marijuana Sales Total Nearly $4 Million In First Month
Brookings Institution on Colorado's Legalization of Marijuana: 'Resounding Success'
Pot smokers sue San Diego, say long drives to dispensaries pollute air
Study: Legalized Medical Marijuana Doesn't Impact Teen Use Rates
Study: Arrests For Marijuana Offenses Increasing In Many States.
cannabis is completely non-toxic, probably because it is a natural chemical produced by the human body.
The New York Times calls for Marijuana Legalization.

And if these have scrolled off by the time you look for them just paste it into a net search...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 4:16:21 PM

"The support is a matter of "idealized" opinion"

The support comes from fact, and the fact is that the benefits from legalizing pot far exceed any detriments...
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 4:03:57 PM

Idheinz: Caring about things that aren't anybody else's business?
You're aware of how many people are living in this country of ours.. something like 307 million plus people?
And cities are packed with people that eventually spread out to the suburbs then out to the sticks out in the country.
The news media entertains us as quick as possible with the daily events that man gets busy creating and then WE ALL GET to hear about it via the news.
Peoples choices being covered via the media make what they did everyone's business. I see what you are saying, but the freedom of the press trumps something not being someones else's business.
People force crap on others in this country everyday.
The way kids bully kids in school with their childish attitudes.
Peoples driving styles and holding up the traffic behind them for hundred of miles across the country.
If you feel like I am forcing anything. Which is not what is happening.
Don't blame me.. I guess some can go ahead and blame the law again for not seeing things according to their individual views..
Same tiredly stated POV five years old now.
And LEGALIZATION is giving into an ideal. It won't solve all the issues with weed.. but just like alcohol it will continue to hinder society via some and their wanton choices.
We have all this MOUNTING EVIDENCE in support? The support is a matter of "idealized" opinion.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/28/2014 4:13:36 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 12:52:10 PM

Fewer deaths from more dangerous and addictive prescription drugs because of medical marijuana?

Makes perfectly logical sense.

Another plus for legalization.

So, let's see.

We have all this mounting evidence in support of legalization on one side; and on the other we have?

What?

Innuendo and already-dispelled myths?

Talk about beating a dead horse.

You kind of have to give it up when you have to shoe the buzzards away from the stinking thing...
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 12:32:33 PM

Just saw this iteresting article over at The Daily Bell, and thought some of you might be interested:

Use of Marijuana Said to Reduce Deaths From Painkillers by Almost 25 Percent

from the article:

Prescription Painkiller Deaths Fall Almost 25% in Medical Marijuana States ... A study that recently appeared in the Journal of the American Medical Association shows a significant decrease in opiate overdoses in states that have adopted and implemented medical marijuana laws compared to states that have not. The authors showed that although opiate overdoses rose in states without medical marijuana laws during 2009-2010, they dropped by approximately 25 percent in states with medical marijuana laws during that same period. While these data cannot show a causal relationship between the passage of medical marijuana laws and a decrease in opiate overdoses, they are consistent what medical marijuana patients have been saying for years, that they are consciously choosing medical cannabis over pharmaceutical drugs. – DrugPolicy.org
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 11:56:36 AM

"A law helping to take care of society is a detriment?"

It seems to me that a law that forbids the use of a harmless plant, and which in doing so foments a black market for said plant that ultimately results in violence as those who sell it fight for control of it's sale, is itself a detriment to society.

Therefore society should revoke this law in order to remove the detriment...
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 11:53:38 AM

fueluser10 - "So are you maybe suggesting that some people don't care about others?"

No, what I'm saying is that some people do care about things which are none of their business.

fueluser10 - "A law helping to take care of society is a detriment?"

But a law that harms society IS a detriment, and laws against marijuana harm society.

What is illegal and immoral are very distinctly different things. Quite often what is illegal is morally correct, and vice versa. Laws do not define morality.

You do NOT have a right to force others to do things for their own good. It may well be that they have good reasons for doing things their way, and regardless, it is THEIR life to live THEIR way, not yours.

For example, if I feel that smoking marijuana on weekends makes me relax better and therefore concentrate on work better during the week, do I have a right to force you to smoke marijuana on weekends so that you will be more productive during the week? Should I be allowed to REQUIRE you to smoke pot, by law, and imprison you if you don't smoke pot?

[Edited by: ldheinz at 8/28/2014 11:59:55 AM EST]
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 10:50:23 AM

Are you cursing at me Idheinz?
Don't throw "morally wrong" at me.. when there is a law that states that messing with weed is illegal.
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 10:37:31 AM

So are you maybe suggesting that some people don't care about others?
A law helping to take care of society is a detriment?
And that legalizing weed would show a "kind of caring" not present in today's society?
Society needs a lot of things and legalizing another intoxicant is not the answer.
When society creates rehab centers to help those who have dependency issues
I think that's a big sign that people care about people.
I feel like I'm passively getting preached at at the moment for the sake of the pro cannabis conversation.
A control freak? Dude.. would you like some modern day examples of control freaks named who are in the news on a near daily basis?
I'm making a POV.. I'm not pushing crap on anyone.
But the ideology of cannabis wanting to be legalized is pushing an ideal on society.


[Edited by: at 8/28/2014 10:47:09 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 10:35:35 AM

fueluser10 - "Maybe man should be HONEST and TREAT himself with more respect than he does. But the legalizing of an illegal drug is maybe proof that man "settles" for some things.. instead of maybe bettering himself. "

What gives you the right to determine how others live in things that don't influence you? What things that you consider to be right do I get to force you to do wrong, just because I disagree with you about how you live your life? It's none of your GD business how others choose to live their lives, and it is morally wrong for you to force others to live their lives YOUR way just because you are a control freak.

BTW, many people consider using pot to BE "bettering himself".
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 9:38:41 AM

If you want the illegal drug violence to continue then you are for keeping this harmless plant illegal.

If you want the violence to end then you support legalization.

Why would anybody want the violence to continue?

Anybody who cares about people would want it to end.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 9:38:54 PM

SemiSteve: "We want that."
"We deserve that."
"And we are going that."
Whom are you SPEAKING for SemiSteve?
Because it sure isn't for me.
Has this topic forum maybe become a pro cannabis pulpit?

Society as a whole DESERVES better.
Here we are int he 21st Century.. and this CHOICE is currently how man maybe wants to define himself?
Maybe man should be HONEST and TREAT himself with more respect than he does.
But the legalizing of an illegal drug is maybe proof that man "settles" for some things.. instead of maybe bettering himself.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/27/2014 9:45:49 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 8:06:57 PM

Drug dealers and smugglers want it to stay illegal because if it is legalized they lose big money; they lose everything.

They are so desparate for income they risk prison and life itself to exploit the opportunity actually created by the law. No law, no profits for street dealing. All the violence ended. Boom. Right there. Just like that; in the snap of a finger. Poof.

We want that. We deserve that. And we are going to get it.

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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 7:21:03 PM

fueluser10 - "I have asked why are teenagers being enabled to smoke weed like its no big deal when it is a big deal."

So why do you support a law that makes it easier for teens to get pot, instead of one that makes it more difficult?

"AND NO.. people who are proponents of legalization are not on the same side of the drug dealers and smugglers."

In effect, you are, because you're working to keep their market open and profitable.

"You're grasping at straws both made of actual straw and plastic.
You're doing the same rjhenn."

While your position is that reality should conform to what you want it to be, not what it is.
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 6:36:41 PM

Semi: But you and the pro cannabis crowd give the legalizing of weed ridiculous amounts of questionable credibility.
You and others act like the drug in the hands of casual users can do no wrong?
I have asked why are teenagers being enabled to smoke weed like its no big deal when it is a big deal.
I guess that POV is taboo. It can be asked, but it is unlikely to be answered.
But then we get the standard BS answer.. if weed was legalized it wouldn't be an issue then? That's not an answer that a backdoor excuse for it being indulged in by teenagers.
AND NO.. people who are proponents of legalization are not on the same side of the drug dealers and smugglers.
Dude, your reverse psychology angle on that POV is for the birds.
You're grasping at straws both made of actual straw and plastic.
You're doing the same rjhenn.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/27/2014 6:38:25 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 6:26:38 PM

fueluser10 - "Society wanting to do right by itself by passing laws is called a society wanting to be RESPONSIBLE for itself."

Yes, which is why we should change our marijuana laws.

"Man passing laws is man being constructively accountable for his human nature."

Part of which is the tendency to make mistakes, and then not want to correct them, as with our marijuana laws.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 6:17:05 PM

" I bet that no one can find one story in the news where the law put a joint between the fingers of a user."

Nobody has claimed this. To argue against it makes no sense. You have made up an argument that proponents of legalization have not made. That is called a straw man argument. You create a false thing and argue against what you have created. You made a straw man and won a fight with this creation of yours. Wow. You really knocked the stuffing out of that one.

When proponents of legalization blame the law for it's faults we are not saying the law causes people to use the drug. We are saying it gets people killed when law enforcement tries to stop drug dealers.

btw, anybody who is against legalization is on the same side as drug dealers and smugglers.

If we legalize, we take away their profits.

So how does it feel to hold the same view as smugglers and street dealers?

Glad to not be a part of that group.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 5:56:16 PM

IOW, we can pass any kind of law and they're all good, just because they're the law?
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 4:39:34 PM

rjhenn: To blame the law is looking for an excuse.
Man is the one to blame plain and simple.
Society wanting to do right by itself by passing laws is called a society wanting to be RESPONSIBLE for itself.
Man passing laws is man being constructively accountable for his human nature.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/27/2014 4:41:23 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 4:34:25 PM

IOW, the law doesn't work, and actually does more harm than good, because it doesn't account for human nature, but the law is the law, so we can't make things better.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 4:29:10 PM

Being stupid is a matter of applied logic or the lack there of.
So blame the law.. but its impolite to put the blame of ones self actions on themselves?
That's what you mean by its the laws fault and not the users?
How does that thought make sense?
SOCIETY is full of human created issues. Hell some of them are wanted (Because they can be profited from?) if they weren't wanted.. then the issues would not continue to exist and be a part of societies fabric.
Aren't the rest of us lucky that society is in the goofed up shape that it's in because getting high is so sough after?
Man hurts himself everyday with drugs.. and they do hurt other people in the process as well.
We've talked about that elephant in the room many a time in here.
DID the law EVER put a damned joint between the fingers of a weed user? I bet that no one can find one story in the news where the law put a joint between the fingers of a user.
But its a nice complaint device maker to blame the law for a human being choices.
The law in general is a benefit to society.
Here's the catch about the word flawed when it comes to the law..
MAN is flawed.. and because he's flawed laws are passed to help society.
Maybe if man got along with himself and others.. society would not need some of the laws like the one banning weed in the first place.
Maybe man needs to rationally be honest with himself and get along better with himself instead of relying on drugs and alcohol as a temporary answer to the problems that he causes for himself daily.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/27/2014 4:35:19 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:54:20 PM

OK. It is simple.

If unsure, make sentences very short.

Here is the simple part about cannabis laws.

They are stupid.

They are ineffective at their intended purpose.

They have caused bigger problems than they attempted to solve.

They limit freedom.

The following part is very simple.

If you don't like it don't use it.

But don't tell others they can't.

Because they will anyway.

And they never hurt anybody.

But the law did.

Overturn the stupid law.

It never worked.

That is how to handle things that don't work.

Get rid of it. Replace it with something that does work.

If you had a motor that doesn't run you either fix it or replace it.

If you find out the block is cracked then there is no point trying to fix it.

Because the basic part is flawed.

That's the problem with cannabis laws.

Basically flawed.

So the thing to do is replace it.

Instead of a stupid law that fills expensive prisons, set up a system of affordable outpatient rehab for abusers.

Fixed.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 3:50:48 PM

SemiSteve - "So are we talking to the no-grammar programmer or the automated nonsense generator?"

Apparently now a real person. The quality of the post is markedly up. Maybe he's just sober.

Still nothing much but the equivalent of "the law is the law", though.

[Edited by: rjhenn at 8/27/2014 3:51:30 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 2:30:12 PM

SemiSteve - "So are we talking to the no-grammar programmer or the automated nonsense generator? "

Does it matter? They're both trolls.

fueluser10 - "TEACH me how to speak in your flipping language then."

Been there, done that, dozens of times. Makes no difference.
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 2:17:38 PM

Ok SemiSteve, rjhenn, and whom ever the heck wants to gripe and complain about how someone is not speaking in your self hyped pro cannabis dialect.
TEACH me how to speak in your flipping language then.
Seeings how my POOR grammar hurts your reading ability some how.
TEACH ME.
Because what have you (The pro cannabis crowd) all "not said" already that hasn't been talked into the topic forum ground already.. that has expressed in the same English that I am using?
Want to explain that language contradicting paradox or are you going to complain about that to?

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/27/2014 2:24:38 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 1:09:24 PM

So are we talking to the no-grammar programmer or the automated nonsense generator?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 12:24:01 PM

fueluser10 - "The law like the other laws in this country are for the benefit of the country."

Since the law is for the benefit of the country, the law on marijuana should be changed, since it doesn't benefit the country.

That's the entirety of the argument for changing the law: doing so would benefit the country, instead of harming it as the current law does.

Glad you agree. 7;-]
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 4:42:24 PM

Yeah I'm the "IT"
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 4:38:43 PM

'IT'S' baaa-ack...
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 4:33:56 PM

Programming and progress.. and ACCEPT the ideology of legalizing weed so that it can become a part of our nations culture?
Um, I thought it already was.. being that some are smoking it up now as it is anyway?
ACCEPTING has nothing to do with your mentioning of the words "programming" or "progress."
You're (from what I am seeing via this topic forum being used as a podium device.) asking for society as a whole to ACCEPT cannabis without a law holding it up supposedly for casual use.
You don't think that by now when it comes to the word "weed" that many of us haven't learned anything new? I relearn the same renewed uses of the same used words everyday that are available via this topic forum.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/26/2014 4:40:04 PM EST]
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 4:22:07 PM

BT, I may not be COLLEGE educated (maybe that's a plus?) but I at-least bring a non pro cannabis water carrying POV to the table unlike some people do.
You're complaining is downright conversationally annoying.
And I'm expressing myself in plain English.
I don't speak in pro Weedanese.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/26/2014 4:25:29 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 4:11:56 PM

See what happens rjhenn.

The thread goes right back to off-topic gibberish that’s barely readable and doesn’t make sense. Like a bot that can’t outgrow its programming and progress or learn anything new, it just rehashes the same tired old talking points that have already been thoroughly refuted dozens of times before.

This last iteration doesn’t even make sense.
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 3:59:44 PM

TROLL, really? The word troll must have come from the mind of a selfishly minded teenager who couldn't tell his or her parents off enough behind their well meaning backs.
The law like the other laws in this country are for the benefit of the country.
If one thinks otherwise then the word "benefit" should maybe be re-evaluated individually because that's what all this "non controversial conversation" seems to be about.
The BENEFITS of legalizing weed is the true horse of the the conservation that is trying to be saddled here. People ignoring the law for the past 60 plus years basically is a testament to that.
Some of the laws like the one banning weed gets beat up like a modern day step child does today.
Is society as a whole going to benefit from the legalization of weed except for the less than the handful of "reasons" that some have talked to the point of ad nauseam about?
It will do just as alcohol has done.. be tolerated and lived with because the premise of it.. People will eventually get tired of hearing about IT.
That's not legalizing.. that's basically giving in begrudgingly.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/26/2014 4:08:39 PM EST]
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