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ldheinz

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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 5:17:33 AM

This topic is for a discussion on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 10:55:03 PM

I notice ldheinz, that in not one of those versions does it ever cite any actual studies from where it gets the 'facts' that it quotes.

In contrast to the NORML articles which almost always provide links to real scientific studies to back up the claims that they make.

And yet our most prominent anti-marijuana activist sneers at NORML and accepts this sort of 'crap' wholeheartedly.

Hmmmmmmm.

And he/she/it thinks his/her/its POV is fair and balanced?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 8:38:00 PM

Good point, rjhenn. I thought that it sounded familiar. I found edited versions of that speech here, here, here, here, here, and many other places. I think it may be the most plagiarized article that I've ever seen.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 7:36:39 PM

maryanneusa - Besides what ld said, site policy is that you don't post articles in their entirety, especially without any attribution. The proper thing to do is to post an excerpt and a link to the original article.

You should also make more of an effort to find reliable sources, since the article you cut and pasted has quite a few exaggerations and inaccuracies in it.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 6:16:41 PM

maryanneusa, have you ever tried to stop drinking coffee? The symptoms are much worse than you describe for coffee. Plus, I used to smoke marijuana heavily on a daily basis, and when I quit I experienced none of those symptoms. Coffee is clearly MUCH more dangerous than marijuana.

Also, you're new here, but we've discussed at length the fact that the NIDA is legally required to lie about marijuana to keep their funding, so they are hardly a reliable source.

maryanneusa - "It should also come as no surprise that marijuana use among American teenagers is rising at an alarming rate"

But drug use overall is decreasing significantly. Teenagers are just switching to a safer drug, that's all, despite government efforts to endanger their health and safety out of political expediency.

maryannusa - "And marijuana causes serious health problems. "

Actually, marijuana is the safest drug known to mankind. There has never in history been a single death from overdose on marijuana.

maryannusa - "The main ingredient in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, has a powerful effect on the brain."

That is because it is a chemical that is naturally produced by the human body for regulating body chemistry. That's probably why it is so safe.

maryannusa - "Initially it creates in the user a sense of euphoria—the infamous “high” that includes bright colors, hallucinations and even laughter. But after the high comes a wave of anxiety, fear and depression. And memory can be affected permanently."

So pot gets people high, and afterwards, they often can't remember what happened clearly because they were high? Is this unexpected? Isn't that WHY people take pot? Boy, did you see "Reefer Madness" too many times?

maryannusa - "Pot is not good for the lungs either. One study found that smoking one joint gives as much exposure to cancer-causing chemicals as smoking five cigarettes."

Again, you're new here, so you don't know that pot is regularly used to TREAT cancer, right? According to Wikipedia, "In in vivo studies with mice, the major psychoactive component in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol, has been shown to have anticarcinogenic activity." For references, follow the link.

maryannusa - "I should also mention that seven percent of drivers involved in accidents tested positive for THC in a recent survey. "

Actually, since people test positive for marijuana for up to a month after they have ceased being high from it, seven percent of ALL drivers probably test positive for marijuana. And there is no test for THC - only a test for the metabolites of THC, that happen only after the THC is no longer effecting the user. And again, since you're new here, you probably haven't read about the fact that states that legalize marijuana have experienced a significant reduction in traffic fatalities. Here's an article from the New York Times that discusses the positive effects of legalizing marijuana on traffic fatalities.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 5:17:56 PM

Clinical studies have proven that people who used marijuana several times a week found it almost impossible to quit. People who tried to stop smoking it reported feeling moody, tense, anxious and unable to sleep.

And, there is a reason marijuana addicts are sometimes called potheads. The drug sucks the life out of people. Those who use it regularly are more likely to drop out of school, have accidents, quit jobs, lose interest in life and feel generally demotivated. Some studies also have linked pot to suicidal thoughts. The National Institute on Drug Abuse notes that regular marijuana use can result in a 40 percent increased risk of psychosis, and the drug also can lead to schizophrenia, depression and anxiety disorders. So it sure looks like it can ruin your future.

It should also come as no surprise that marijuana use among American teenagers is rising at an alarming rate—just as efforts to decriminalize it are accelerating. There has been an 80 percent increase in marijuana use among teens since 2008. Do you want your children to make good grades in school? Then you should know that one study proved that teens who smoked pot regularly lost as much as 8 points in their IQs—and they did not recover the intellectual ability when they became adults.

Parents should also filter through the hype about how marijuana is “not that dangerous.” An article published last year in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology showed that adolescents who smoked pot were at risk of brain damage.

And marijuana causes serious health problems. The main ingredient in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, has a powerful effect on the brain. Initially it creates in the user a sense of euphoria—the infamous “high” that includes bright colors, hallucinations and even laughter. But after the high comes a wave of anxiety, fear and depression. And memory can be affected permanently.

But that’s not all. Smoking pot causes a 20 to 100 percent increase in a smoker’s heart rate. Some marijuana users are five times more likely to have a heart attack after they use it. Pot is not good for the lungs either. One study found that smoking one joint gives as much exposure to cancer-causing chemicals as smoking five cigarettes. (And you can’t help but wonder how second-hand marijuana smoke will affect those of us who are breathing the nearby fumes.)Here's one for all the men, marijuana can ruin your sex life. Proponents of legalizing marijuana push the idea that pot is an aphrodisiac. But science tells another story. Men who smoke pot regularly can experience impotence as well as infertility. And some studies have found a link between marijuana use and an aggressive form of testicular cancer in young men. Not to mention that pot causes really bad breath. Marijuana is definitely not sexy!

I should also mention that seven percent of drivers involved in accidents tested positive for THC in a recent survey. That’s because smoking weed impairs motor skills and increases the risk of car crashes. So if marijuana use becomes widespread after its legalization, we need to be concerned about an increased number of drugged drivers on our roads. Welcome to America—land of the free, home of the stoned.

Please spread the word. Marijuana is called a “weed” for a reason. It’s bad for kids. It’s bad for adults. When I look at the crazy laws being passed in the United States today, I can’t help but wonder what our leaders are smoking. But of course we have all heard of the "choom gang" and his "choom mobile". I guess you could say, he's for the weeds.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 4:39:46 PM

FU - "Do some adults not have an issue with someone else's kids getting high off of weed around them when they know its illegal to smoke the crap in the first place? Or are they hoping that the teenagers will smoke the weed and look the other way like maybe others do? What kind of a learning moment is that? "

Perhaps it's the kind of learning moment where kids learn that some people just don't interfere in things that are none of their business. That is certainly better than kids learning what the inside of a prison is like. And some people just never learn that laws against marijuana actually make it easier for kids to get it, even when they are repeatedly presented with formal studies proving that.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 3:43:50 PM

We seem to be faced with a set of problems, and LAWS to regulate each addition to our long list of "enjoyments". This includes cars, TV and movies, sports, food and liquor, tobacco, drugs and. of course, even sex - and birth!
So here we are faced with yet another enjoyment with potentially harmful side effects to some "over-users".
What to do? It's tricky. We've come to accept certain controls on the marketing of liquor and tobacco which has, to some extent, shown some benefits overall, although we've come to accept, also, the inevitable downside from these two elements. IIt seems, finally, that we can only hope that intelligence will come to play a major part.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 3:36:08 PM

fueluser10 - "rjhenn.. SOCIETY doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt from some who want to maybe ignore the law?"

How is continuing a law that has done nothing but harm society give SOCIETY "the benefit of doubt"?

"The federal law is wrong? And legalizing cannabis is going to right some 'wrongs?'"

Yep.

"Common sense is not mentally buying into what is verbally being sold for the sake of maintaining a questionable and controversial subject."

For you "common sense" simply means agreeing with what you want to believe.

"Maybe the majority sometimes sees what it wants to see.. and that's the only sight that is cared about."

Maybe you're only seeing what you want to see.

"Do some adults not have an issue with someone else's kids getting high off of weed around them when they know its illegal to smoke the crap in the first place?"

Which makes no sense. It's illegal now, for everyone, yet 'kids' can get as much as they want. It would still be illegal for kids if it was legalized for adults, and might be more difficult for kids to get.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 1:02:21 PM

Shockjock "Do you do this on purpose or do you not understand the difference?"

It's hard to say. Could somebody be this obtuse intentionally?

There are lots of people that each and every one of us disagree with on this forum but even if you think they're full of it most of them can put together coherent sentences and actually make some sort of argument to support their position.

This goes beyond anybody I've ever seen who's actually allowed a day pass to go out into the world on their own without an escort to make sure they don't hurt themselves and can find their way back to the home.

[Edited by: BabeTruth at 9/28/2014 1:06:22 PM EST]
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 12:55:01 PM

FU, some adults have an issue with Harry Potter and don't want their kids to be exposed to hearing other kids talk about reading the book. Other adults have an issue with teenagers wearing bikinis to the beach. Some aults even have an issue with women letting their hair and face be seen in public.

The point is, since I know you're not going to get it on your own, is that just because SOME people have an issue with something is no reason to pass a law to ban it.

There will always be somebody, somewhere who has an issue with each and every single thing you do. But we cannot live our lives kowtowing to each and every imagined issue of each and every person in the country. Passing laws prohibiting people from living their private lives as they wish just because YOU have an issue with it is wrong, wrong, WRONG and is totally against the freedoms that Americans fought for in one revolution and two world wars.

How is “if weed was legal then it would not be an issue” silly?

If marijauna was legal then the only issue would whether or not a teenager's parent told them not to use it. Am I right or am I wrong?

And if you think I'm wrong then say why.

Come on. Put your money where your mouth is! For once actually debate an issue and explain what the hell you're talking about instead of the CRAP that you constantly spew out like the drainage of a pig farm.

FU “Off topic with deeper reasoning: A majority scenario.. A bully beating up on a kid in school and his majority of followers watching him do it. The kid being outnumbered 5 to 1.
Yeah that speaks the same volume as well.”

Yeah, you're right. Like so many of your posts it's totally off topic and has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the thread. You complain about crap and then you post crap like that.

FU “You are the reverse psychology guru here.. or at-least in the top 4 I would surmise. You should be a mentality dentist. From you proverbial fingers being in my mouth, my mouth is somehow selling some BS POV.”

More crap from the world's leading authority on crap.

If you think my POV is BS then explain how. Of course you can't do it. You can't seem to explain ANY of your posts.

FU “THE PRO CANNABIS CROWD does not speak for me.”

Wow. There's a news flash!!!

FU “Somebody may want to rethink that nonsensical conclusion.”

Since nobody has ever claimed to speak for you (most I think would not want to be associated with you) then you're just posting more nonsensical crap of your own.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 12:51:16 PM

"Do some adults not have an issue with someone else's kids getting high off of weed around them when they know its illegal to smoke the crap in the first place? Or are they hoping that the teenagers will smoke the weed and look the other way like maybe others do?"

Once again FU, you are confusing the legalization of Marijuana for adults with the continued illegal use of Marijuana by adolescents.

Do you do this on purpose or do you not understand the difference?
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 11:51:34 AM

Do some adults not have an issue with someone else's kids getting high off of weed around them when they know its illegal to smoke the crap in the first place? Or are they hoping that the teenagers will smoke the weed and look the other way like maybe others do?
What kind of a learning moment is that?
BT: Don't white wash it, lip service it, don't throw another study or poll at it. Maybe express some fairness for the kids. And not the silly, if weed was legal this would not be an issue crap.
Off topic with deeper reasoning: A majority scenario.. A bully beating up on a kid in school and his majority of followers watching him do it. The kid being outnumbered 5 to 1.
Yeah that speaks the same volume as well.
BT: You are the reverse psychology guru here.. or at-least in the top 4 I would surmise. You should be a mentality dentist. From you proverbial fingers being in my mouth, my mouth is somehow selling some BS POV.
THE PRO CANNABIS CROWD does not speak for me. Somebody may want to rethink that nonsensical conclusion.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/28/2014 11:56:34 AM EST]
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 12:46:40 AM

Every body has there own way of getting high flyboyUT
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There I just did the 5,000th post --- Whooopeeeeeee
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 7:42:57 PM

Leave people do what they want. Its really none of the govts business.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 7:42:16 PM

Shouldnt we have the freedom to do what we wish with our own body? After all isnt that the rallying cry of the women and abortion crowd.
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Sounds like a fantastic cash crop for the marginal lands down south.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 7:40:32 PM

Just think of the new GMO type of maryjane that is possible.
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The war on drugs could be ratcheted down or redirected.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 7:39:14 PM

Let those who want to smoke it have at it.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 7:38:39 PM

down deep who really cares if its legal or not?
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 7:37:03 PM

Study: Legal Marijuana Market Would Yield Over $3 Billion In Annual Tax Revenue

[Edited by: ldheinz at 9/27/2014 7:39:26 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 3:43:27 PM

Does anybody want to take bets on whether or not FU will clarify any of his statements? Answer any of the questions? Support any of his points? Refute anybody else's points?

Or just complain and change the subject yet again?
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FU “SOCIETY doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt from some who want to maybe ignore the law?”

I have no idea what question you're trying to ask here. It doesn't have enough context to make any sense.

FU “The federal law is wrong? And legalizing cannabis is going to right some "wrongs?"”

Have you not bothered to read anything that anybody has posted here other than things you can take personally?

Myself and others have pointed out dozens, if not hundreds, of things that are wrong with the federal law. You haven't even attempted to refute any of them with facts. If you can show them to be wrong, then by default they're right.

(And now comes FU's long song and dance routine contesting my last statement, mostly just because he doesn't like the tough spot it puts him in. But please note, FU will still not make any serious attempt to refute any of the points that anybody has raised.)

FU “Common sense is not mentally buying into what is verbally being sold for the sake of maintaining a questionable and controversial subject.”

Then why do you keep trying to verbally sell it? Are you only trying to maintain a questionable and controversial subject?

FU “When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain

Maybe the majority sometimes sees what it wants to see.. and that's the only sight that is cared about.”

Until just a few days ago when it was shown to you that you were mistaken, you had considered your own opinion to be part of the majority. It was ok with you then to have the majority echo your opinion.

Now that you find that the majority does NOT side with you, suddenly it's wrong?

Hmmmmmmmm

FU “The majority might roughly speak for some, but it doesn't speak for society as a whole.”

By definition the majority speaks for – wait for it – the majority.

Of course it doesn't speak for society as a whole. It's so rare as to almost have never happened in the history of civilization that there's such a consensus that any one opinion is held by everybody in society. That should be obvious even to you.

However, as already stated, the majority DOES speak for most of the people. And as already pointed out, you were happy with that until you found yourself on the opposite side from the majority.

That alone speaks volumes about you.

FU “And that is where all the debate, white washing, lip service and the need for PR campaigns, some studies and polls comes from.”

Can you provide some proof or a link for what you're saying or are you just making it up like all your hypothetical stories about perfect teenagers being forced to endure pot smoke against their will at parties that they're not allowed to leave?

As you've said before, people have free will. There's nothing stopping the teenagers in your hypothetical stories from refusing to smoke pot or from leaving the hypothetical parties, and yet you carry on as if they had no free choice.

The only free choice being taken away is the choice to indulge in cannabis because of the law that you support.

FU “The past ongoing decade and a half might end up being a historical premise for the future to reflect upon "measure wise" and decide differently on how the current days have and are being decided on.”

Huh?

FU “And change for the better of society instead of the betterment of some ideologies. IE legalizing weed as an example.”

Yes, legalizing marijuana WOULD be a change. You're the one who doesn't want to change but to keep on doing the same thing over and over again that has been shown to be a failure.

Given the dismal track record of the anti-marijuana laws, a change WOULD be for the betterment of society instead of the ideology that says that marijuana is bad, (despite all the evidence that it isn't).
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 2:31:16 PM

rjhenn.. SOCIETY doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt from some who want to maybe ignore the law?
The federal law is wrong? And legalizing cannabis is going to right some "wrongs?"
Common sense is not mentally buying into what is verbally being sold for the sake of maintaining a questionable and controversial subject.
SemiSteve, About your MAJORITY POV.. a quote for you.. (When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain)
Maybe the majority sometimes sees what it wants to see.. and that's the only sight that is cared about.
The majority might roughly speak for some, but it doesn't speak for society as a whole. And that is where all the debate, white washing, lip service and the need for PR campaigns, some studies and polls comes from.
The past ongoing decade and a half might end up being a historical premise for the future to reflect upon "measure wise" and decide differently on how the current days have and are being decided on.
And change for the better of society instead of the betterment of some ideologies. IE legalizing weed as an example.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/27/2014 2:38:53 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 8:52:24 AM

Jim Ragsdale’s 2 minutes last evening (beginning at ~minute 32) on Twin Cities Public Television’s Almanac suggesting subliminal marketing campaign for legalizing marijuana. :)
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 5:54:19 PM

fueluser10 - "And its a curious feature that just happens to involve the legalizing of cannabis as part of the fiber of today's pop culture conversation."

Uh, no. Much of the push behind legalizing cannabis has been the realization that there was no real reason to ban it in the first place.

"A mockery is NOT passing laws when some crap on society and want no one in society to not pass to help society rightfully take care of itself."

If I'm making any sense out of that, yeah, sure. But the only thing that seems to have to do with legalizing cannabis is that banning it in the first place was "crap[ping] on society".

"And then call a law stupid or dumb or label it a fallacy for it not seeing things the way a few would like it to."

In this case, because there's no evidence to support the need for the law.

"That choice deciding crap has nothing to do with the Federal law.. it all has to do with an indulged in ideology versus common sense then brushing aside like it was a disease."

"Common sense", as you're using it, only means "what I want to believe".
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 2:38:37 PM

"The majority of the nation thinks cannabis should be legal"

Absolutely correct....

A majority of Americans support legalizing marijuana, according to a new poll.

"Fifty-five percent of those questioned nationally said marijuana should be made legal"

Perhaps you should read a newspaper on occcasion, FU...
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 12:32:11 PM

"call a law stupid or dumb or label it a fallacy for it not seeing things the way a few would like it to."

A few?

Where have you been? In a bubble?

The majority of the nation thinks cannabis should be legal.

If you won't admit that you are fooling yourself.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 12:05:20 PM

A mockery is NOT passing laws when some crap on society and want no one in society to not pass to help society rightfully take care of itself.
And then call a law stupid or dumb or label it a fallacy for it not seeing things the way a few would like it to.
(That's like a senior in high school who might need to go to summer school because he was lazy and didn't want to do the work like everyone in his class did to pass his final exam. And would rather cheat on the test.. and then tell himself he accomplished something by being consciously lazy about it.)
That choice deciding crap has nothing to do with the Federal law.. it all has to do with an indulged in ideology versus common sense then brushing aside like it was a disease.
Life like illegal drugs (IE legalizing cannabis) makes sense when people give it the time of day to do so.
What you have here is a glamorizing of a tired contradiction.
BT: Um what personal vendetta?


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/24/2014 12:06:48 PM EST]
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FU "WHERE is the nonsense in that various sets of words?"

The slight grammatical error that SemiSteve noted aside, just because you make one or two posts once in a while that are intelligible doesn't mean that that everything you post makes sense.

And if you really wanted to get your points across it would be much more effective if when people ask for clarification of what you said that you actually respond to their question instead of complaining that they even asked.

But have it your way. If you really believed in what you're saying and really wanted to be effective you would have heeded my advice months ago. Instead, you've chosen to make it a personal vendetta even when I try to help you and so lose credibility.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 7:56:55 AM

"People in today's political culture "Vote" for what they individually want and not for what good as a whole for the country."

Disagree. That is the same as saying everyone is shallow and selfish. It is probably true for most; but there are still a lot of people who understand everyone can't, nor should they, have their way. Some vote their personal concerns, some vote for the good of the country, and others weigh out both concerns on each issue.

"Some in society can be impatient and feel entitled about some things. And its a curious feature that just happens to involve the legalizing of cannabis as part of the fiber of today's pop culture conversation."

It is a popular topic of conversation because the concept of making something widely seen as safe illegal makes a mockery of law, causes the populace to become disenchanted with government, and costs lives and money.

"WHERE is the nonsense in that various sets of words?"

Various is a good descriptor for the sets of words you present as sentences. Many of your statements are so grammatically incorrect they are indecipherable; and thus reduced to nonsense. In your above set, changing the word 'that' to 'those' would at least correct the tense error.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:54:40 AM

SemiSteve: If what I am about to express in inaccurate or not valid in some way. You let me know.
People in today's political culture "Vote" for what they individually want and not for what good as a whole for the country. (Is this possible occurrence a good or bad thing? I don't know.)
Some in society can be impatient and feel entitled about some things. And its a curious feature that just happens to involve the legalizing of cannabis as part of the fiber of today's pop culture conversation.
WHERE is the nonsense in that various sets of words?


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/24/2014 6:59:42 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 11:40:28 AM

NORML Welcomes O.penVAPE to The Business Network

Denver based O.penVAPE is one of the largest national cannabis brands in the United States.
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 10:31:30 AM

"Putting words in your mouth is often the only way to make any sense out of what you post."

I must disagree. That is going too far. Nobody can be held responsible for what somebody else says.

If a post is nonsense then noting such is all that can really be said about it.

And that can be said quite often in this particular topic with fueluser10 posting.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 3:28:49 PM

fueluser10 - "rjhenn: So you're saying that you have been carrying on in a libelous fashion with me?"

No, I'm saying that your language is often so obscure that it's difficult to figure out what you're talking about.

"When you went to school did teachers put words in your mouth?"

Yes, in order to teach me how to express myself properly.

I take it none of your teachers ever did that.

"Shockjock: Do I come across like a rocket scientist to you?"

Far from it.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 12:44:19 PM

"Do I come across like a rocket scientist to you?"

LOL!!

Not at all...
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:57:24 AM

FU “Do I come across like a rocket scientist to you?”

I sincerely doubt that you want an honest answer to that question from everybody.

FU “Or do you just disapprove of some POVs that don't see things in a pro cannabis light?”

No, but I do disapprove of people who refuse to discuss the reasons why they have the POV that they do.

And those who apparently don’t have a clue why they have the POV that they do, other than to think that “the law is the law and therefore the law must be right and can’t be questioned even if it’s proved wrong”.

And who complain about using acronyms and then use acronyms themselves.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:51:53 AM

Libel - Defamation — is the communication of a false statement that harms the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation.

You really shouldn't try to use words that you don't know the meaning of FU. It makes you look foolish.

Perhaps by the time you learn proper grammar you can graduate to two syllable words.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:48:18 AM

FU “Oh my god. Really.. can you possibly find any more fault in something that isn't pro cannabis supportive in nature?”

For the 100th time, I really don’t give a darn if you’re pro cannabis or against it. I’m going to look at what you say for factual accuracy and logic regardless of which side you’re on.

So you can quit the whining and ‘poor me’ attitude. All that does is prove to me that you have no clue what you’re talking about, that you have no intention of learning anything, ever, and that you don’t give a fig for anything that anybody else says, you’re just going to stick with your own opinion no matter what the facts are.

FU “Are you going to tell me that YouTube has got some videos that you may find unsatisfactory?”

Did I say that? Anywhere?

If you think I did say that, then please quote it and give the time and date that I said it. Otherwise, you’re just making up something else to whine about.

FU “Maybe especially in regards to cannabis use that may not be pro cannabis supportive in nature?”

Again, I’ve told you that just saying that you’ve seen something somewhere that says something has no value. Unless you can post a link to the video we have no way of knowing whether you’re making it up or not.

FU “You are seriously JUMPING the shark with your POV about simple videos.”

No, I’m just pointing out how pointless your mention of the video is. What if I said I don’t believe that you saw such a video? That you’re just making it up? We have no way of knowing

Even if you did see a video out there, that still means little. Do you have any idea how many videos there are out there, and how easy it is for somebody to make a video that “proves” exactly what they want it to prove?

YOU could make a video that shows exactly what you said, using actors repeating lines that you wrote for them. I could make a video that shows the exact opposite. Such videos aren’t proof. They’re nothing.

But you don’t seem to understand that. You think that anybody that posts anything that’s pro cannabis must be wrong, even if they provide a medical research paper. You give more weight to a possibly faked video than you do the Journal of the American Medical Association. You’re an idiot!

As for “jumping the shark”, FU you’ve left the shark so far behind it’s just a faint memory.

FU “And can you get any more near libelous in your word usage in regards to my non word usage according to how you seem to want to "frame" what I'm not saying.. versus putting more words in my mouth?”

FU, I have never put words in your mouth. YOU on the other hand have tried to put many words in my mouth. Your first sentence in the post I’m responding to was an attempt to put words in my mouth.

You don’t even know what the word ‘libel’ means. Half the time your sentences are unintelligible. Your last sentence makes no sense other than to show that yet again, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:17:43 AM

rjhenn: So you're saying that you have been carrying on in a libelous fashion with me? "Putting words in your mouth is often the only way to make sense out of your post."
When you went to school did teachers put words in your mouth?
Shockjock: Do I come across like a rocket scientist to you? Or do you just disapprove of some POVs that don't see things in a pro cannabis light?
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 8:54:53 AM

"Shockjock: I'm sorry that I didn't express myself more"

FU: Do you mena you are sorry for not expressing yourself correctly? Just showing yet another example where your "plain english" is anything but...
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 1:16:12 AM

fueluser10 - "Are you going to tell me that YouTube has got some videos that you may find unsatisfactory?"

Apparently, you believe that YouTube videos are the equivalent of peer-reviewed scientific studies, but only if you agree with them.

"And can you get any more near libelous in your word usage in regards to my non word usage according to how you seem to want to "frame" what I'm not saying.. versus putting more words in my mouth?"

Putting words in your mouth is often the only way to make any sense out of what you post.
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 10:20:29 PM

Shockjock: I'm sorry that I didn't express myself more..
Its crappy to complain about what someone expressed in here rather then asking what words might you be missing that could help us understand better in what you were trying to express?
I don't complain about how some in here express themselves now do I?
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 9:53:27 PM

BT: Oh my god. Really.. can you possibly find any more fault in something that isn't pro cannabis supportive in nature?
Are you going to tell me that YouTube has got some videos that you may find unsatisfactory?
Maybe especially in regards to cannabis use that may not be pro cannabis supportive in nature?
You are seriously JUMPING the shark with your POV about simple videos.
And can you get any more near libelous in your word usage in regards to my non word usage according to how you seem to want to "frame" what I'm not saying.. versus putting more words in my mouth?



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/16/2014 9:58:54 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 5:01:13 PM

FU “Have you seen some of the videos on YouTube? In regards to weed being smoked around kids?”

Strange isn’t it, that you have no problem watching YouTube videos that say things that you agree with but you absolutely refuse to look at any links that anybody posts if it’s to information that you don’t agree with.

Do you think perhaps there’s some bias there on your part?

FU “You act like the federal law is applying invisible hands cuffs around ones wrists?”

No, if a federal officer finds you disobeying the law the cuffs they put around your wrists are real ones.

In other words (since for some reason you can’t understand the acronym), the law is trying to force you to do things their way or else..

FU “Then either be happy with medical marijuana.”

It’s only in the last day that you’ve suddenly switched to approving of medical marijuana. Up until now you’ve been totally against marijuana for any purpose.

FU “BY itself or get rid of the whole ideal altogether.”

Why?

Why does it have to be your way or no way?

Can’t you stand people being allowed to make their own decisions about whether or not to use marijuana?

FU “When you have medical marijuana being saddled by the casual users ideology then you have a constructed contradiction being born from it.”

Huh????? FU “I'm speaking BS? I about facts and not "facts" . Usually BS is more about dancing around for the sake of lip servicing then it can be used in a constructive manner.”

You very seldom, if ever, present any facts whatsoever. Most of what you post is “what if seemingly .. “ and then you go off on some hypothetical story that might not ever happen.

Or you dance around and pay lip service to your POV (funny how you do understand that acronym) without ever giving any facts to support it.

And you NEVER bother to look at any facts that anybody else presents. I guess because you’re afraid you might be wrong?
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 1:40:08 PM

" I don't know.. how do you smoke alcohol?"

Good question FU, but you are the one who stated it was being done by teenagers...

"Because the same could be said for the scenario of teens smoking cigarettes or even alcohol for that matter."

" Usually BS is more about dancing around for the sake of lip servicing then it can be used in a constructive manner."

Which is exaactly why people think your posts are nothing more then BS...
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 1:23:18 PM

"The federal law is SOCIETY picking and taking care after itself."

No more so that the massive dissent here and elsewhere is.
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 1:18:10 PM

fueluser10 - "The federal law is SOCIETY picking and taking care after itself."

Then it's a complete failure.

"I'm speaking BS? I about facts and not "facts" ."

Funny, I don't see you presenting much in the way of facts, mostly just opinion and emotion.
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 12:45:07 PM

BT: (Have you seen some of the videos on YouTube? In regards to weed being smoked around kids?)
The federal law is SOCIETY picking and taking care after itself.
You act like the federal law is applying invisible hands cuffs around ones wrists? That would make for a heck of a talk show topic wouldn't it?
Then either be happy with medical marijuana.. BY itself or get rid of the whole ideal altogether.
When you have medical marijuana being saddled by the casual users ideology then you have a constructed contradiction being born from it.
I'm speaking BS? I about facts and not "facts" . Usually BS is more about dancing around for the sake of lip servicing then it can be used in a constructive manner.
Shockjock: I don't know.. how do you smoke alcohol?


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/16/2014 12:46:52 PM EST]
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