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ldheinz

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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 5:17:33 AM

This topic is for a discussion on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 5:06:36 PM

Ok, that's an interesting article about the increase in homeless youths.

It seems that the increase is NOT being blamed on people using marijuana, which is the impression you'd get from what StArrow posted.

Instead it's people coming to Colorado looking for jobs in the marijuana industry but not finding work for different reasons.

I wonder if some of the increase is also because people aren't in jail. Cheaper for the taxpayer than incarcerating them.

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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 3:41:50 PM

Increased homeless (but not busted for a victimless crime) in Denver.

And if every State legalized there would be no such effect.
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midorishonen
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 3:11:41 PM

Marijuana Legalization Could Be Causing Increase In Homeless Young People In Denver: Officials

I believe this is what StArrow68 is referring to.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 12:36:19 PM

"Not a viable national policy"

It is SO reassuring to hear such truths being voiced. What is truly amazing is how long it took to get there. Wow. Do the wheels of change turn slowly or what?
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 12:02:58 PM

From ldheinz' last link: "In 2012, marijuana arrests accounted for almost half (48.3 percent) of all drug arrests nationwide."

So how much time and money is wasted on enforcing marijuana laws that are generally ignored regardless? If half of the inmates in the country are there as a result of marijuana offences, how much more productive would the country be if those people were out working and contributing to the economy instead?

The final paragraph is telling too:

“After a generation of marijuana arrests, nearly 19 million and counting since 1981, the results are that marijuana remains widely used, not perceived as risky by a majority of the population, and widely available. The tremendous variance in use and arrests at the state level demonstrate why marijuana prohibition has failed and is not a viable national policy.”
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 11:54:14 AM

Study: Arrests For Marijuana Offenses Increasing In Many States.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2014 11:25:43 AM

Then you're going to have to come up with something else StArrow68. I tried several iterations of 'increased homeless + Colorado' and while I did find something in the Denver Post about an increase in homeless youth in Colorado, it was dated 2009. Hardly relevant to the point you're trying to make.

Do you have access to a computer? Can you type out the whole URL from your phone?

If not then your point is unsupported and uncheckable, and therefore of no value.
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StArrow68
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 7:55:28 PM

Posting from the iPhone I don't have links, but a search of Bing News on Colorado homeless came up with multiple links, including Denver Post, NY Daily News and CSM. Just FYI
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TexBob
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 7:11:30 PM

Sure
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 5:44:18 PM

I wonder what happened to our resident machine? All the posts are so genuine.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 2:34:10 PM

"That was directed to SS, but I will ask any users, now. Do any of you drive after a joint or two?"

I don't smoke - my company forbids it.

That being said, I can say with certainty that I would rather share the road with somebody who was high over somebody who was drunk.

I would also rather share the road with somebody who was high over somebody texting...
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 2:21:29 PM

ldheinz " Many unsupported claims are made that turn out to be untrue."

Do you mean like many of the ones made by a certain Catholic in Columbus?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2014 12:33:29 PM

SE3.5 - "I will say again, in more generic terms, most people think their drug is safer than the other guys drug. "

Except that in the case of Marijuana, cannabis is completely non-toxic, probably because it is a natural chemical produced by the human body.

StArrow68 - "And the latest report of increased homeless youth in Colorado? "

Please produce a link to this report. Many unsupported claims are made that turn out to be untrue.
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StArrow68
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 7:55:15 PM

And the latest report of increased homeless youth in Colorado? What this country needs is not more drop outs.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 3:43:22 PM

"Do you drive after a joint or two"

That was directed to SS, but I will ask any users, now. Do any of you drive after a joint or two?

I have been around pot users since I was in Vietnam. I have been the designated driver on many occasions where alcohol was the drug of choice. Both smokers and drinkers think they are very smart and in control when a totally sober person can see that both are delusional in their thinking.

I don't believe society needs any more legal substances to cloud our thinking, but everyone wants what they want, and politicians have to give society what it wants, sooo . . .
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 3:26:35 PM

"And unless all drugs are equally dangerous then one of them must be correct."

And the other delusional.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 3:24:01 PM

"Oh, and BTW, your colleague"

The fact that a poster agrees with me on some subjects does not make us colleagues. The fact that a poster disagrees with me on some subjects does not make us enemies.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 1:26:45 PM

SE: "And liberals never do that. LOL!"

Just because something is wrong and someone else does it does not make it any less wrong.

"most people think their drug is safer than the other guys drug. "

--And unless all drugs are equally dangerous then one of them must be correct.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 1:15:23 PM

SE3.5 "I never said "you are all potheads". I said you (plural) to indicate I was no longer speaking directly to steve."

You never gave any indication that you weren't referring to the people in this thread as "you potheads". Taken as a whole, it still looks like that's what you were saying.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 1:13:41 PM

SE3.5 "You make a good argument for having a glass of wine."

Reread the whole post in context with reference to your post that it was in response to.

You know, the one about punishing/restricting everybody for the misdeeds of a very few.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 1:11:25 PM

SE3.5 "And liberals never do that. LOL!"

And I never said that they didn't.

But if somebody was to go through all the posts in all the threads of this forum, it's a pretty safe bet that the conservatives would be doing it many more times than liberals, probably orders of magnitude more.

Oh, and BTW, your colleague, Troller Diesel says that adding "LOL" at the end is of itself disrespectful and enough for him to feel warranted in all his abusive posts. But I guess it's ok if it's going the other direction?

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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 12:40:57 PM

"And yet here we get this assumption that we're all "potheads"."

I never said "you are all potheads". I said you (plural) to indicate I was no longer speaking directly to steve. I will say again, in more generic terms, most people think their drug is safer than the other guys drug.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 12:33:46 PM

"In fact there's lots of research that having a glass of red wine with dinner is more healthful than being a teetotaler."

You make a good argument for having a glass of wine.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 12:29:29 PM

"Yet another example of the oft seen habit of conservatives taking an example of a very few people and stereotyping all who they don't like with the same brush."

And liberals never do that. LOL!
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 11:44:51 AM

The New York Times calls for Marijuana Legalization.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2014 8:49:15 AM

It is disappointing how many conservatives buy into such disrespectful stereotypes.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 8:29:14 PM

RAB "Just because something is legal doesn't mean it is a good idea."

Similarly, just because something is illegal doesn't automatically mean that it's a bad idea either.

Laws are often passed in reaction to lobbyists for self-interested groups.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 8:24:19 PM

<<that was sarcasm for you potheads>>

"Do you drive after a joint or two"

"You (plural) think your drug is safer than the other guys drug. Ask yourselves, Why do I need drugs to get through life?"

Yet another example of the oft seen habit of conservatives taking an example of a very few people and stereotyping all who they don't like with the same brush.

Anybody who's been following the topic would know that most (all?) of the people advocating for marijuana legalization on this thread have said that they don't use it and have no interest in using it. And yet here we get this assumption that we're all "potheads".
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 8:19:03 PM

SemiSteve "And if all those who can partake and still be responsible should be punished because some can not."

You mean like alcohol? The vast majority of people have no problem having a beer on Saturday while watching the game. Or a cocktail by the pool while on holiday.

In fact there's lots of research that having a glass of red wine with dinner is more healthful than being a teetotaler.

Some people here would apparently want to go back to Prohibition and punish everybody just because a very few (less than 1%?) can't handle it.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 7:35:20 PM

Just because something is legal doesn't mean it is a good idea. Maybe if we up the ante for messing up big time. For example, a driver who kills someone while behind the wheel and intoxicated/under the influence is executed if found guilty, first offense. Then sure, legalize pot.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 7:28:20 PM

Tobacco
Alcohol
Marijuana
Meth
Cocaine
Heroin
Vicodin
The list goes on, ad infinitem
Everyone wants what they want.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 7:19:52 PM

"Think of it in similar terms to alcohol."

I do. I often wonder why someone "needs" a drink.

I also wonder why society "needs" another legal intoxicant.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 7:02:39 PM

It is not a matter of need.

Think of it in similar terms to alcohol.

Noboby needs that either.

There are plenty of wonderful things that people enjoy that are not needed.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 6:34:55 PM

"how many are quite well adjusted."

If one is quite well adjusted, why the need to get high?

Do you drive after a joint or two? Do you think that might add to the 30,000 you opine about in another thread. O yeah, pot heads think they drive more carefully after a couple of joints.

I have been recently reminded of those 58,000 who died in Vietnam. A large percentage of our troops were pot and/or Seconal users. Might they have been less cognitive when on patrol?

I get it. You (plural) think your drug is safer than the other guys drug. Ask yourselves, Why do I need drugs to get through life?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 6:09:58 PM

And of course we have to wonder what percentage of cannabis users really feel that their life sucks; and how many are quite well adjusted. And if all those who can partake and still be responsible should be punished because some can not.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 5:51:04 PM

My life sucks. No sense in trying to improve myself. I will just smoke a couple of doobies. <<that was sarcasm for you potheads>>
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 1:06:19 PM

"Too bad we don't have a more effective drug abuse treatment system"

He has never been arrested. He has been to rehab several times. It sticks for about a year, and then he gets convinced he can handle it, "this time."

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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 12:51:39 PM

Sounds troubling, SE. Too bad we don't have a more effective drug abuse treatment system and instead treat it as a crime with all the attached stigma and profits for thugs.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2014 12:39:20 PM

Thirty years ago a friend was so stoned he drove his car into a tree with his four year old daughter in the back seat.

Yesterday he was so stoned, he forgot he was supposed to walk her down the aisle.

He (like so many of you) actually thinks he is a responsible person.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2014 8:36:03 AM

What ever happened to Drunk Habib?

This topic could use him.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 9:42:50 PM

"I'm hardly practicing an "innocence routine" to point out your abusive rhetoric."

Who is complaining ? I have no problem with receiving insults. Only from liberals who pretend to be so innocent of handing them out.

Besides, you deserve them so I don't see your problem.
Once again spare me the innocent liberal goodie two shoes BS.



[Edited by: theTower at 7/25/2014 9:45:55 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 6:08:40 PM

Pay no attention to the emotionless grammatically challenged bot. It regurgitates canned phrases in indecipherable non-sentences.

Freedom means having a choice to decide for oneself whether to enjoy this naturally occurring plant or not. This law takes that freedom away.



[Edited by: SemiSteve at 7/25/2014 6:12:23 PM EST]
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 4:09:42 PM

theTower "Spare me the innocence routine."

Ah, so:

"What part of ... didn't quite get past the vision center and into the brain?" and "Get a freakin grip."

are just terms of endearment?

I'm hardly practicing an "innocence routine" to point out your abusive rhetoric.

But that's what's so amazing about conservatives. They dish out insult after insult after insult, and yet they're always the first ones to complain about it if anybody gives them back in kind.

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theTower
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 4:03:23 PM

"ornery, mean s.o.b. you are with people"

Oh please.
Spare me the innocence routine.
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 12:44:15 PM

fueluser10 - "If a society as a whole wants to maybe better itself, (That very sentence is why laws were passed in the first place.) then legalizing illegal substances is not a answer.. its a crutch."

Except that all of the available evidence points to the current laws on marijuana harming society rather than bettering it.

So why, exactly, do you support laws that harm society?
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 11:52:04 AM

So just another reiteration of your standard "the law is the law" talking point eh Eff-you?

It appears that you think that lawmakers never make mistakes and are never influenced by political motives to pass a law that isn't really based on facts or in the best interests of society and the nation.

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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 11:45:50 AM

If a society as a whole wants to maybe better itself, (That very sentence is why laws were passed in the first place.) then legalizing illegal substances is not a answer.. its a crutch.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2014 7:45:37 AM

You didn't really make it clear that you had any point to make. It's hardly as if it's a secret that some people are mooches. Some of them are even conservatives although you'd never know it from the way conservatives talk about others.

But thanks for making it clear in your response what an ornery, mean s.o.b. you are with people. You're such a credit to the conservative ethos.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 8:25:30 AM

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[Edited by: El_Gato_Negro at 7/24/2014 8:28:31 AM EST]
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theTower
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 6:26:42 PM

"Do you really think that’s a reason not to legalize marijuana, because a couple of welfare bums might use it?"

Do you really think you need to imply thats what I said?
What part of "I'm all for legalization and everything" didn't quite get past the vision center and into the brain?
I actullly just posted it so I could draw a comparison to the weed moochers that were always around.
I thought the whole thing was funny that in a round about way I still have people mooching weed off of me years after I quit smoking it.
Get a freakin grip.

[Edited by: theTower at 7/23/2014 6:27:58 PM EST]
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