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ldheinz

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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 5:17:33 AM

This topic is for a discussion on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2015 5:08:04 PM

Illinois: House Lawmakers Approve Measure Decriminalizing Small Amounts of Marijuana
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nraacct
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2015 12:59:39 PM

The push to legalize marijuana in Massachusetts took a big step forward last week, as a draft petition was released by the group behind a state ballot initiative.

Doctor Supports Petition To Legalize Marijuana In Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2015 9:14:25 AM

"Even if legalized, the negative effects will be with us for decades. "
YES...but it will lessen the amount of people being sent to prison for tiny amounts of pot possession. Stopping people from growing their own would still be a problem but it could be limited in the # of plants allowed .
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2015 1:09:26 PM

PopcornPirate - "Prohibition of alcohol in the early 1900s did not work. The black market thrived on supply & demand.
Today... the black market for MJ thrives. All cash & untraceable"

Quite true, Prohibition did far more harm than good, the lingering effects of which are still around.
Pot prohibition is just as bad. Even if legalized, the negative effects will be with us for decades.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2015 10:06:32 AM

Prohibition of alcohol in the early 1900s did not work. The black market thrived on supply & demand.
Today... the black market for MJ thrives. All cash & untraceable
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2015 11:52:59 PM

daylily2009 - "No"

The topic is for a _discussion_ on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.

Do you have anything to discuss?

Any facts, arguments or science, or is it just a flat "No", with nothing to support it?
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2015 10:10:52 AM

No
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nraacct
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2015 9:45:47 AM

America has seen the future, and it is high.

Americans see green light for marijuana legalization in Bloomberg Politics poll

[Edited by: nraacct at 4/17/2015 9:46:53 AM EST]
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KLR56
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2015 9:39:29 AM

Marijuana was made illegal under false pretense. And it should be made legal.
Have you ever heard of anyone overdosing on Marijuana? No. Marijuana is much less lethal than alcohol.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 4:44:27 PM

Does anyone have an actual reason, based on reality, why weed should have been made illegal in the first place?
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2015 11:10:34 AM

Lawmakers in Wisconsin were expected to consider a bill to legalize marijuana this year, however it’ll likely face substantial opposition in the Republican-controlled state Legislature, legal experts have said. Conservative lawmakers rejected a similar bill last legislative session and generally oppose legalization in the state, according to the Badger Herald.Marijuana Legalization Wisconsin 2015: Bill To Make Weed Legal Faces Uphill Battle In Republican State Legislature

[Edited by: nraacct at 4/16/2015 11:11:41 AM EST]
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nraacct
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2015 2:20:20 PM

There hasn’t been a major shift in recent years, but over the past decade, millennials have led the charge in an overhaul of public opinion toward the legalization of marijuana.
Millennials, Democrats tip scale on legalized marijuana debate

[Edited by: nraacct at 4/15/2015 2:21:35 PM EST]
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malcm
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 2:47:41 PM

A possible future family scene? - - - Dad is watching TV - son enters: "Hey, Pop, can I use the car tonight?"
DAD, - "OK, Son, here are the keys - Be sure to smoke some weed before you leave."

OY VEY!

[Edited by: malcm at 4/14/2015 2:49:34 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 1:37:49 PM

Personally, I have no interest in using pot, but I'm in favor of anything that would reduce violent crime and government waste, so I don't see why conservatives, who claim to be for personal freedom and individual responsibility, are so against legalization. Unless it's the "haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be enjoying themselves".
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windrider17
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 7:47:49 AM

Come what may, here's one family who won't use it.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 6:37:03 AM

But why, SAButton?
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 6:05:41 AM

Bad idea IMO
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2015 1:15:02 AM

Marijuana Users Are Safer Drivers Than Non-Marijuana Users, New Study Shows
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 11:43:49 PM

Malcm, I've posted links many times, but here's a link to the Washington Post that explains it fairly well. It's alcohol that makes for dangerous drivers, not other drugs, and not at all marijuana. And since people tend to use marijuana instead of alcohol, states that lessen penalties for marijuana tend to have decreases in traffic fatalities. In fact, I've even seen studies that show that people high on marijuana are safer drivers than straight drivers.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 11:32:26 PM

The claim has been offered here that MJ actually makes SAFER drivers. Is that happening in Colorado? Any figures in re. that yet? How about the family picture? Maybe too early to measure yet? How about in other states?
What's happening out there?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 7:15:24 PM

And what does that have to do with this topic, malcm? Perhaps you wish to point out how making alcohol illegal made for more crime, more traffic accidents, and more alcohol use? And how having marijuana illegal is doing the same?
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malcm
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 6:26:00 PM

If a poll were to be taken of those victims AND drivers who have been involved in fatal DUI accidents - the only question being, "What would you change, if possible, about the availability of liquor"?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 3:58:58 PM

malcm - "BAH - HUMBUG! Come what may, here's one family who won't use it. "

And having alcohol legal does not require you to get drunk, either.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 3:18:54 PM

And that's as it should be malcm.

In a free country nobody should be able to force you to use it - and by the same token nobody should be legally prohibited from using it either.
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malcm
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 1:37:47 PM

BAH - HUMBUG! Come what may, here's one family who won't use it.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 12:46:35 PM

A Wisconsin lawmaker says the state should legalize marijuana to reduce crime and improve the state's economy.

Wisconsin Democrat aims to legalize marijuana in the state
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 7:45:56 AM

A correction to my previous post. What I'd meant to say was:

But it's telling that FU accepts an opinion editorial *FROM A STOCK INVESTMENT NEWSLETTER* as more informative of a medical/pharmacological issue than articles from the NEJM, JAMA, Lancet or other peer reviewed medical journals.

Does he really think that an investment specialist knows more about medical issues and drug effects than doctors and medical researchers?

What it shows is that his objection to ldleinz posting articles from NORML was more because he didn't like what the articles said than what he claimed.

It also shows that he lies when he says he wants to learn. He really only wants to see things that support his preconceived opinion.
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2015 12:35:00 AM

fueluser10 -"Hello all. Read a story today from The Motley Fool website.
The headline reads.. This New Study Is Bad if You're a Marijuana Supporter.
Being that apparently smoking weed affects the Hippocampus area of the brain. Messing with ones long term memory and this story mentions a study and the outcomes of MRI's done on the brains of teenagers who started smoking weed at the ages 16-17 and used weed for a period of three years.
My thoughts on this mess, if I was a teenager in this rather pro cannabis influenced modern day that we are living in today and I had smoked weed I would be fessing up to my parents that I had smoked the stuff and that I would be requesting an MRI to get my brain checked out as soon as possible.
This way instead of giving the use of casual weed the benefit of doubt, I'm giving my brain the benefit of doubt."

So where do you see anyone trying to make it legal for teenagers to smoke pot? The reality is that the current legal situation makes it very easy for teens to get and smoke pot. Legalization would likely reduce teenage use of pot.
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2015 7:21:36 PM

A usual, FU doen't provide a link to the article he claims he gets his information from. He still hasn't learned the value of supporting his statements.

Fortunately for his credibility, here is the article.

But it's telling that FU accepts an opinion editorial as more informative of a medical/pharmacological issue than articles from the NEJM, JAMA, Lancet or other peer reviewed medical journals.
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2015 2:33:26 PM

Hello all. Read a story today from The Motley Fool website.
The headline reads.. This New Study Is Bad if You're a Marijuana Supporter.
Being that apparently smoking weed affects the Hippocampus area of the brain. Messing with ones long term memory and this story mentions a study and the outcomes of MRI's done on the brains of teenagers who started smoking weed at the ages 16-17 and used weed for a period of three years.
My thoughts on this mess, if I was a teenager in this rather pro cannabis influenced modern day that we are living in today and I had smoked weed I would be fessing up to my parents that I had smoked the stuff and that I would be requesting an MRI to get my brain checked out as soon as possible.
This way instead of giving the use of casual weed the benefit of doubt, I'm giving my brain the benefit of doubt.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 4/12/2015 2:41:38 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2015 12:54:10 PM

Some Michigan voters started a ballot initiative on Thursday that would legalize recreational marijuana in the state. If approved by the state board of canvassers, they would need to get 252,000 signatures to get it on the ballot for the November 2016 election. It would also require the consent of the state legislature before it could become law.

Ballot initiative would legalize marijuana in Michigan
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2015 12:43:48 PM

Study: Vaporized Cannabis Mitigates Treatment-Resistant Diabetic Neuropathy

[Edited by: ldheinz at 4/10/2015 12:45:14 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2015 4:58:13 AM

Washington: Senate/House Measures to Permit Home Cultivation Now Pending
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2015 5:27:30 PM

One day the mighty will fall!!!
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2015 4:28:38 PM

Actually, there's graft behind our marijuana laws. They are the product of Hearst's desire to not have hemp based paper to compete with his wood based paper holdings, as well as DuPont's desire to not have hemp based rope competing with their nylon based rope. So they both bought off enough politicians to get it made illegal.
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2015 2:24:34 PM

malice said, "Don't need MJ"

GOOD!

More for me pickled liver! I have been using pot on and off (more on then off) for over 45 years. Yep, I'm in my 60's, had hair down the middle of my back all my life until recently, worked every day of my life. Did I smoke pot while I worked? No. Did you drink when you worked? Hope you were smarter than that! I enjoyed lighting up after work like you drinking after work. I waited until I was in the safety of my own home every night. Can you say the same? There weren't any pot bars for me to go to with friends and carry on after work. Then get into a car and drive home impaired! Risking hurting or killing anyone.

I might have been doing it illegal back then, but now I am dong it all legal according to the laws of Colorado. It cost more now than it did back in the day but I can sit at home in the evening light up and not have a worry in the least. As a matter of fact, it is a little after noon mountain time on a bright, beautiful forecast to be a day close to 80º today, I think it may be time to try some 'Purple Train Wreck.'

L8R
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2015 11:04:07 AM

Malcm, on the 18th I asked you several questions to either clarify some of the points you were making or to get further information on those points.

Still waiting for your reply.

In the meantime, you said: "... as tobacco. alcohol and hard drugs have all been proven to be harmful "toys", what may await us, I wonder, when those with poor mentality are even further handicapped?"

That's a reasonable point and there's no question that all three of those have proved harmful in some way.

Although hard drugs are a fairly recent (within the last 100 or so years) innovation, tobacco has been with us for 500 years and alcohol since before the dawn of recorded history (as has marijuana too btw).

With the latter two at least the majority of humans have by and large learned to cope effectively with the 'harmful effects'.

Yes, some people kill themselves with tobacco, but unless you want a totalitarian state to tell us what to do with our own bodies, (tobacco smoke repels me but I personally would not ban it on the preceding basis alone), so I think that's something we're going to have to live with.

As for alcohol, yes, there can be consequences when combined with the recent (100 year old) activity of driving. As cars become more autonomous, there's a strong chance that will become a rare event though, and as tragic as those can be, I really don't think the small percentage of people who drink and drive is sufficient justification to ban something for the vast majority of people who take driving sober responsibly.

Hard drugs are another matter entirely, but since they're so much out of the realm of marijuana, they really don't belong in this discussion.

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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 9:29:50 AM

Of course there's not much science, or necessarily much logic behind the laws. Much of the time politicians make their decisions based on what they perceive will bring the most support for reelection.
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 9:12:31 PM

'm not sure what's behind federal laws onmarijuana,but there doesn't seem to bemuchscience involved.
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 7:41:40 PM

Obama Predicts Marijuana Will Be Rescheduled
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 6:22:08 PM

There are some people who seem to support prohibition of marijuana because of a perception that it fits their conservative leanings.

So here's the Republican argument to end marijuana prohibition

RAMP Republicans Against Marijuana Prohibition
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2015 8:55:15 AM

Step 1 is for the Federal Government to decriminalize marijuana. Period.
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2015 8:49:27 AM

"what may await us, I wonder, when those with poor mentality are even further handicapped?"

With marijuana use already very prevalent in the US, there is no reason to wonder...
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2015 12:38:35 AM

As usual, good replies. I hope you're eventually right. However, as tobacco. alcohol and hard drugs have all been proven to be harmful "toys", what may await us, I wonder, when those with poor mentality are even further handicapped?
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 10:31:33 PM

malcm - " MJ may have some serious attendant "downsides" "

Actually, by displacing alcohol, it appears to be having significant "upsides", like lower traffic fatalities, increased tax revenue, and so forth.
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 8:49:57 AM

Oh, one more point on the "waste of land".

I personally think that growing eggplant or zuchinni are both a waste of land but I understand that some people like those plants. Each to his/her own. What's a good use for land can be very subjective and therefore should not be legislated by those who don't have a dog in the fight.
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 8:25:02 AM

malcm "Waste

: of land - I doubt if the 'farmers' making money off it would consider it a waste. Personally I don't agree with tobacco growing but just like marijuana growing, neither you nor I own the land so it's frankly none of our business.

Do you also think it's a "waste of land" to grow hops, barley, wheat, rye, corn, wine grapes, etc. that are all used to make alcohol?

And finally, whether you like it or not, SOME marijuana is used for medicinal purposes and is better than other drugs for those purposes. Do you think growing medicine is "a waste of land"?

: time - similarly to the use of land, what other people do with their time is none of our business.

However, what is waste to one person is time well spent to another. Many people think going to church every Sunday and praying is a waste of time. My wife thinks that posting on this website is a waste of time. Others think watching pro sports is a waste of time. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

: intellect - for the user or the grower? You're not specific enough to comment.

: productivity - Again, you're not being very specific. But the stereotype of people who use marijuana not being very productive is also the stereotype of the kind of people who aren't very productive anyway - even if they weren't using marijuana. So which came first, the chicken or the egg?

However, like most stereotypes, this one is probably wrong. Universities and colleges are places of high marijuana use, and yet it can be reasonably argued that those students are or will become some of the most productive people in the nation.

I'm sure we would both be surprised if we knew which top level executives in businesses use marijuana, at least on occasion.

: alertness - that's again a very vague idea that makes it hard to respond to. If they're operating heavy equipment or doing fine detailed work then probably you're right. If they're watching tv (another waste of time?) while relaxing on a Friday after a hard week of work, not so much so. They probably don't want to be so alert.

Got any more?
and eventually, of a number of valuable "et ceteras"!
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 2:38:26 AM

Waste - - - of land - time - intellect - productivity - alertness - and eventually, of a number of valuable "et ceteras"!
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 8:44:12 AM

Ok malcm, what are the problems that you associate with the cultivation, marketing and use of marijuana?

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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 12:39:26 AM

OK - I sure don't want to be linked with the "Reefer Madness" exaggeration. However, I suspect that the combinations of problems that seem to be accompanying the cultivation, use and marketing of MJ may have some serious attendant "downsides" - as with alcohol. I hope I'm wrong.
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 2:47:22 PM

malcm - "Or to be prevented from damaging their own families?"

Actually, I know a woman whose marijuana usage saved her family, by helping her stay off of the much more dangerous drugs of heroin and alcohol. How would you determine who SHOULD be using pot?

malcm - "Pot plays tricks on the mind and may make users misbehave."

Why would you think that? What tricks? What misbehaving? FYI, the typical reaction to too much pot is people fall asleep.
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