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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 5:17:33 AM

This topic is for a discussion on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.
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nraacct
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 12:29:43 PM

If Utah chooses to legalize medical marijuana, it may face a new worry: rabbits who eat the plant and get high.

The DEA’s newest marijuana threat: stoned rabbits
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 8:36:26 AM

The proper term for it is habituating. Addicting is where there's a physical need for it.
ldheinz
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 8:29:25 AM

Marijuana is not physically addictive. People like it, though.
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2015 1:42:53 PM

Addiction seems to be the downside feared here - as with alcohol and other drugs, including tobacco. Opium? But then, anything that feels good has the possible downside of addiction and overuse, right? Tennis, golf - sex? Where do we draw the line? Once a line is drawn, enforcement itself seems to become addictive!
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According to a study published in the journal Scientific Reports, researchers examined the ratio of toxicity and human intake for a number of legal and illegal "drugs," including alcohol and tobacco, and discovered that marijuana was by far the least dangerous drug of them all.

"The results confirm that the risk of cannabis may have been overestimated in the past. At least for the endpoint of mortality, the margin of exposure for THC/cannabis in both individual and population-based assessments would be above safety thresholds. In contrast, the risk of alcohol may have been commonly underestimated."
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:37:46 AM

But that's true of ANY drug malcm.

Over the counter or prescription, they all have their side effects and possible harm. I've heard it said that if Aspirin were discovered today it would be a scheduled drug and caffeine would be a prescription drug.

For that matter, even every kind of food that you consume has good and bad associated with it.

When the possible harm is balanced against the known good, marijuana comes out strongly on the good side, and much safer than almost any drug you have in your medicine cabinet.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:21:57 AM

As with tobacco and alcohol, there ARE negatives involved - in the production, marketing, and as well as the usage. I think results in Colorado will, eventually, tell a negative story. I hope I'm wrong.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 6:35:53 PM

Yes, but what does that have to do with marijuana?
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 4:47:46 PM

At birth we're provided with this amazing "mechanism" - the body. - to service us the remainder of our life. How foolish we obviously are when we disrespect it.
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2015 8:59:43 AM

Is that good or bad?
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 10:20:20 PM

Good report on local TV on how easy getting a medical card is and that lack of oversight makes it a recreational market already.
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 7:29:45 PM

Risk Assessment Study: Cannabis' Purported Dangers Have Been "Overestimated"
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 7:28:02 PM

Study: Marijuana Use Not Associated With Previously Reported Changes In Brain Morphology
ldheinz
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2015 8:27:44 AM

Why, malcm? Should you use heroin instead?
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2015 1:00:34 PM

"Have a toke?" Be smart - just say "NO".
ldheinz
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2015 2:08:52 PM

Surgeon General Acknowledges "Marijuana Can Be Helpful"
ldheinz
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2015 2:03:03 PM

Here you go, FU:

Feds: THC-Positive Drivers No More Likely To Be Involved In Motor Vehicle Crashes

It's actually another reference to the same study that rjhenn provided.



[Edited by: ldheinz at 2/14/2015 2:06:37 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2015 9:02:56 AM

FU "But in the news two days ago it was stated that driving incidents involving drivers who had indulged in weed are now outpacing drivers under the influence of alcohol."

As has been pointed out to you before, the current tests used by the DMV only tell if a person has used marijuana WITHIN THE PAST MONTH.

It doesn't tell whether the person is currently under the influence of marijuana so it's useless in determining if a driver is impaired. The figures that you quote are therefore pointless.
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2015 8:55:15 AM

FU - "It makes one wonder when THC testing at the DMV might start taking place to help curtail and monitor this newly growing phenomenon. "

How would that help? Should we use breathalyzers at the DMV as well? Since you haven't been paying attention, that study didn't prove any increase in problems, just an increase in testing sensitivity.
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2015 7:10:23 AM

rjhenn: But in the news two days ago it was stated that driving incidents involving drivers who had indulged in weed are now outpacing drivers under the influence of alcohol.
It makes one wonder when THC testing at the DMV might start taking place to help curtail and monitor this newly growing phenomenon.
I am all for medicinal weed, but if there has been casual weed that has been derived from the medicinal weed then the issue of procurement practices going on and then you have some who question the law when the act of procuring the casual weed is what the law is intended for in the first place.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 2/13/2015 7:19:27 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2015 8:06:08 PM

Landmark Study Finds Marijuana Is Not Linked to Car Crashes
malcm
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2015 4:31:44 PM

The "associated nightmare" increasingly seems to be that of an increasing number of foolish people in our midst, stumbling around and negatively impacting our lives.
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2015 1:13:24 PM

Study: Synthetic Cannabinoid Relieves PTSD-Associated Nightmares
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2015 1:09:40 PM

Study: History Of Cannabis Use Associated With Reduced Bladder Cancer Risk

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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2015 12:42:59 PM

Illinois: Marijuana Legalization Measure Introduced
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2015 8:21:59 AM

American Academy of Pediatrics Calls For Rescheduling Cannabis
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2015 12:50:20 AM

Reading further in rumbleseat's link, starting paragraph 9 it says:

"Drivers who were four to seven times over the state’s legal limit for driving under the influence of marijuana were sent out on a closed course. Under the supervision of law enforcement and driving school instructors, the volunteers, who were sufficiently high by the time they got behind the wheel, were asked to negotiate the course while a driving instructor gauged their facility to operate the vehicle.

Surprisingly, it took the subjects’ smoking nearly a gram of pot before the driving instructor deemed them unfit to drive. The results of the driving experiment gives support to those who say driving while stoned is far less dangerous than driving drunk.

“Here’s what we do know,” Jenny Hollander writes for Bustle. “Stoned drivers behave differently from drunk drivers. Stoned drivers are more aware that they’re intoxicated — the opposite applies for drunk drivers — and so they tend to actually drive more slowly and carefully. Therefore, drivers who are a little stoned are generally safer drivers than those who are a little drunk. As a rule, drunk driving has been understood to be far more dangerous than driving when high.”

So drivers had to take up to SEVEN TIMES the legal limit of pot before they were found to be impaired. The same doesn't hold true for alcohol.

That seems to be a good article supporting the legalization of pot.
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 11:33:12 PM

rumbleseat, the link tool has a bug in that it can't handle long URLs. Use tinyurl.com to get around that.

Strange, isn't it, that people study the same thing and get opposing results? Let's look at their methodology. They are claiming that "Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,". So if testing keeps getting more sensitive and accurate (which is the case) we would see a strong increase in the number of non-stoned people who have used marijuana in the last month or more. Which happens with NO increase in accidents or drug use. Did they compare this with the number of non-accident people who test positive for having used marijuana some time in the past, to use as a control group? It doesn't appear to be the case. Did traffic fatalities increase? Not at all. So all that the study indicates is that testing methods have improved, not that the roads are more dangerous.
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 11:02:45 PM

AnotherOne - "The Governor of Colorado says that legalizing marijuana was a bad idea!"

So, basically, he's worried about conflicts with federal law: "He said that he tells other governors to “wait a couple of years” before legalizing marijuana as Colorado continues to navigate an unknown, nonexisting federal regulatory landscape for the industry." It's got nothing to do with the realities of pot use.

You really ought to read more than just the title and the first couple of paragraphs.
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 10:57:41 PM

rumbleseat - "Is Driving While High Dangerous? Fatal Car Accidents Involving Marijuana Triple Over 10 Years"

The usual question: does the study actually measure "Driving While High", or are the results based simply on detection of the metabolites that linger for days or weeks after being high?

And is the increase due to pot causing accidents or simply due to more people using pot?

[Edited by: rjhenn at 1/24/2015 10:58:53 PM EST]
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The Governor of Colorado says that legalizing marijuana was a bad idea!

And just how bad will become increasingly obvious.

Governor: Legalizing pot was bad idea

"Colorado’s decision to legalize marijuana was a bad idea, the state’s governor said Friday.

Gov. John Hickenlooper, a Democrat who opposed the 2012 decision by voters to make pot legal, said the state still doesn’t fully know what the unintended consequences of the move will be.

“If I could've waved a wand the day after the election, I would've reversed the election and said, 'This was a bad idea,’ ” Hickenlooper said Friday on CNBC's “Squawk Box.”"

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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 1:34:02 PM

"Many pot smokers will tell you that driving under the influence of marijuana is actually safer than driving sober, their logic being that pot smokers tend to drive under the speed limit and use their paranoia to focus on the road. But new research is showing a darker side to the popular conviction that driving while stoned is no big deal."
[L=http://www.ibtimes.com/text deleted Driving While High Dangerous? Fatal Car Accidents Involving Marijuana Triple Over 10 Years[/L]
Dang, Insert link function is stoned again!
Is Driving While High Dangerous? Fatal Car Accidents Involving Marijuana Triple Over 10 Years



[Edited by: rumbleseat at 1/24/2015 1:38:04 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 10:44:15 AM

SE3.5 - "Ask any toker--they think weed makes them brilliant. "

Drinkers think they're smarter too, not to mention more sexy and better looking. And yet alcohol is legal and pot isn't.

So what's your point?
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 9:54:49 AM

ldheinz - "Nobody said that being stoned was better than being straight, malcm. It is better for society than being drunk, however, and having people stoned instead of drunk makes the highways safer. "

SE3.5 - "Ask any toker--they think weed makes them brilliant. "

So never mind scientific studies showing that legalizing marijuana lowers traffic fatalities? From the article:

"A similar study by the NHTSA shows that drivers with THC (the active ingredient in marijuana) in their system have accident responsibility rates below that of drug free drivers."

So stoners are safer drivers than straight drivers, too. Why are you against saving lives, SE3.5?
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2015 9:33:13 AM

Of course you see danger ahead.

But there cannot be real progress without risk.

Meanwhile, for those of us who didn't see the show, you haven't added anything to the discussion.
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2015 7:05:14 PM

A good report on TV "60 Minutes" re. the developing results of legalized pot in Colorado. I may be wrong, but I see danger ahead.
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 9:07:05 AM

"having people stoned instead of drunk makes the highways safer."

Ask any toker--they think weed makes them brilliant.
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 8:54:20 AM

It's not only driving that society was better off with people toking than drinking.

How many times have you heard of people beating up their spouses because they were drunk? Or getting into fights because of being drunk? Committing violent crimes of any kind while drunk?

It happens so often it's almost a cliche, "but your honor, I was so drunk I didn't know what I was doing".

How often have you heard that excuse when somebody was stoned? Have you ever heard them doing those things while stoned?
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 7:01:38 AM

Nobody said that being stoned was better than being straight, malcm. It is better for society than being drunk, however, and having people stoned instead of drunk makes the highways safer.
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2015 1:14:08 AM

A "mind warp" from ANY substance is unlikely to improve the actions of a user. I fail to see how increasing the availability and use of marijuana could prove any benefit to the public weal.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2015 5:16:16 PM

Study: Long Term Cannabis Exposure "Not Associated With Significant Effects On Lung Function"
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2015 8:49:09 AM

Quite true, BabeTruth.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2015 1:25:31 AM

On Jan 9, 2015, fueluser10 wrote:

>>> Tunnl, I've seen a guy vaping on weed in a bar before.. and this guy was bordering on paranoia from the looks of it <<<

So because a guy vaping was “bordering on paranoia” (I am assuming that’s your clinical observation), that proves that people are ‘impatient’ while high on weed?! Your rationale “borders” on drivel.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2015 11:25:22 AM

I also note how the bot goes between nearly incomprehensible gibberish in some posts where it's 'responding' to something, to nearly perfect grammar when it's posting what appears to be a prepared narrative.

Such very great differences in style aren't consistent with a real person.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2015 6:38:08 AM

Study: Pain Patients Report Cannabis Augments Efficacy Of Opiate-Based Medications

[Edited by: ldheinz at 1/10/2015 6:40:32 AM EST]
ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2015 5:57:34 AM

Note how the bot can extract names from the earlier posts, but can't actually respond to what was said. It's just an unrelated comment.

Let's see - can it fix the capitalization error?

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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 3:13:44 PM

Tunnl, I've seen a guy vaping on weed in a bar before.. and this guy was bordering on paranoia from the looks of it to me causing his wife to have to verbally real him in like a life coach while he's in this bar surrounded by people who were having a nice time with the families who had kids with them and no idea about what he was doing.
One of the bartenders told the guy that he could not smoke the vapor pipe in the bar and he didn't care.. he did it another 5 times while none of the bartenders were physically near him for when they did come near him he dropped it to the bar fast and didn't look happy about having to do that. I felt bad for the wife because of what she was dealing with but she looked like she was OK with it going along with his wants and needs.
I don't have to smoke weed when I have seen the effects it has on the others with them and around them.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 1/9/2015 3:15:14 PM EST]
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On Jan 9, 2015, fueluser10 wrote:

>>> Walking in a pair of shoes down a city street can be stressful or grocery shopping.. is the next pro cannabis complaint going to be that those who are high on weed operate better on their own two feet as they experience life like the non pro cannabis people do?? Man is going to be impatient high or not. <<<

How do YOU know that? Do you smoke weed? If you don’t, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY you would know whether you are just as impatient high as when you are sober. You have to experience BOTH in order to tell the difference.

Why don’t you try it? You might change your opinions about marijuana after smoking some. Vaporizers have become very popular for liquid tobacco, but they also make “vapes” designed for dry weed and can be purchased on eBay. I hear you can also eat it by baking the cannabis into brownies.
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 11:43:36 AM

FU “Does smoking weed add to ones sense of things?”

Personally, I have no idea. I’m not interested in smoking it.

But by definition an intoxicant of any kind, including caffeine, has some effect on how a person senses things.

Since you consider yourself an expert in all things I would have thought you knew that.

FU “If someone smoking weed loses their job for going to work late does he blame the weed?”

What does that have to do with the topic?

FU “If a teenager is enabled by another teenager to smoke weed what teenager is to blame?”

What does that have to do with the topic?

FU “Are these questions nonsensical and not on topic?”

They sure don’t have anything to do with whether or not marijuana should be legalized.

FU “I'm served my country..”

Whoopee! Good for you.

So did I.

So what does that have to do with the topic?

FU “.. and not one damned time would I ever credit a cup of coffee or taking an amphetamine to improving my abilities as a soldier that for that would be stupid of me to have relied upon.”

Did anybody say that it improved your abilities as a soldier?

BTW, were you ever wounded?

FU “TRAINING along with common sense, honing ones instincts as a soldier and being there for each other on the battlefield TRUMPS any kind of talk about coffee or amphetamines as needed assistance's.”

And again everything went right over your head. No surprise.
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 11:37:01 AM

FU “I could be naive and say no one is driving around drunk but the statistics show and say otherwise.”

So why are you saying it then? Nobody but you has said anything like that at all.

FU “I see drivers often 3-4 times a week swerving while their cars and running over the broken lines and the solid lines of both sides of the streets. If a police officer observes this type of action he's going to pull you over.”

I see. So in your expert opinion as a trained law enforcement officer you know for an absolute fact that those drivers are drunk do you? It must be wonderful to be so omniscient. Almost like a god.

FU “If a driver cant keep their cars first at the proper speed limit, because we know that crap isn't happening when some are doing 45-50 mph on the highways when the speeds are posted in some places at 60-70 mph.”

Are you asking a question or making a statement? That sentence doesn’t really make sense. (no surprise considering the source)

FU “Then some are driving 15-20 mph in a 35-45 mph zones. That self created kind of driving style is acceptable to who for that kind driving is as hazardous as can be.”

And how is that relevant to the topic?

FU “So add the high from weed driving participants to the road. That means that 2 out of three drivers are putting the SOBER DRIVERS at risk.”

Could you supply a source for your stats that “2 out of 3 drivers” are drunk?

Because frankly, I don’t believe it and I think that, as usual, you’re just making it up as you go along.

FU “You know what it would seem that we are maybe doing here? Are we maybe trying to subdue statistics because life is such a hindrance to some that being inebriated I guess is the constructive solution to some while it maybe endangers others?”

“Subduing statistics” (whatever it is that means) has got to be better than your making up fictitious statistics to make a point (ie. lying).

And besides, what does any of that have to do with the topic? Remember, this thread is about whether or not marijuana should be legalized. It’s NOT about how 2/3 of the drivers on the road are DUI or any other fantasies you might have.

FU “.. the federal laws in this country were created and passed in direct response to how man can be unto himself and others.”

Huh? What in hell are you imagining now? Are you perpetually high on something yourself?

FU “Society is very patient and tolerates enough already but yet we ask society as a whole to tiredly do it even more??”

Yes, we HAVE been very patient with your drivel but after a couple of years of it it’s getting to be more than enough.

At least have the courtesy to answer questions. You’re the rudest person I have ever had the displeasure to encounter.
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 11:34:53 AM

BT: Does smoking weed add to ones sense of things?
If someone smoking weed loses their job for going to work late does he blame the weed?
If a teenager is enabled by another teenager to smoke weed what teenager is to blame?
Are these questions nonsensical and not on topic?
I'm served my country and not one damned time would I ever credit a cup of coffee or taking an amphetamine to improving my abilities as a soldier that for that would be stupid of me to have relied upon. TRAINING along with common sense, honing ones instincts as a soldier and being there for each other on the battlefield TRUMPS any kind of talk about coffee or amphetamines as needed assistance's.
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