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ldheinz

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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 5:17:33 AM

This topic is for a discussion on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 2:39:09 PM

Weaselspit: No it's not redundant. MAN is classically talented at telling some one thing and then doing something else to appease others.
LOL, we have a huge example of that being expressed in the news right now and do you know what the premise of that national news headline is about?
One can believe in God or Jesus as they see fit to. Some do not even go to church, yet they still pray. Ans some throw science at God and Jesus in an attempt to make some sort of POV out of it.
If some choose not to believe, don't. It hasn't a thing to do with the utilizing the tools that are found in a labs confines. Some will either have faith in God and Jesus or they wont, plain and simple.
But if some want to wrap the tool of politics or use it to wage war on others, I guess some will do what some will do. But its a waste of time humanity wise.
BT: Why not maybe put together a separate topic forum.. and add a discussion claimer to it. This way those who share in the discussions based upon your own standards of POV making will be drinking the same water that you're dispensing to them. And then you can feel logically self better about yourself?


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/2/2014 2:43:45 PM EST]
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 2:36:57 PM

Well Weaslespit, it does kind of show that somebody here doesn't put much thought into what they post and therefore ends up posting nonsense.

Despite the claims of that person, it's not me.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 1:59:56 PM

"FU “MAN does a whole lot more HARM to himself and others then any written law can.”

Since man is the one who writes the laws, that statement is redundant."

LOL!!!
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 12:50:16 PM

FU “MAN does a whole lot more HARM to himself and others then any written law can.”

Since man is the one who writes the laws, that statement is redundant.

FU “And history is chuck full of examples. So where in the archives of man doing harm to himself and other would you like to start?”

How about starting with Christianity and the harm that has done to mankind? There’s lots and lots of examples for that.

FU “This topic forum is a great barometer for human behavior and attitudes.”

It’s also a good barometer of how rotted some minds can get from feeding off the detritus of religious beliefs.


[Edited by: BabeTruth at 9/2/2014 12:53:01 PM EST]
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 12:45:24 PM

Sorry FU, but just claiming that something is “nonsense” without saying HOW it’s nonsense doesn’t cut it.

Unless you have something to say to rebut what I’ve said and show it’s nonsense then all you’re doing is whining like a little child. And typing nonsense yourself.

All you post is opinions. You have nothing to support them so they’re of no more substance than if the dog barks.

Why don’t you actually try to discuss the issues, talk about the pros and cons and legalizing or not legalizing, say WHY is should stay illegal and support that with proof instead of just repeating your same old nonsense?

I’ve tried to give you suggestions about how you could make your posts more worthwhile, and you’ve CLAIMED that you wanted to learn but all you’ve ever done is reject any help I’ve given. I only have so much patience and two years of holding your hand is about all you’re going to get unless you actually put some effort into it.

I’ve never in my life come across anybody as stubborn and clueless who can actually function in society. You’d make a great subject for a thesis.

FU “If humanity didn't maybe waste its time with illegal drugs IE cannabis, it makes one wonder where society today may be at?”

But that’s not for you to say is it?

Neither you nor I should have the ability to make decisions for other people, like passing laws to tell them what to do. Personally, I consider that you’re wasting your time (and everybody else’s) posting the nonsense you post in this thread.

But just because I think that you waste everybody’s time, including your own, should I be able to vote for a law to ban you from being able to post here?

Now, apply that same logic to what you just said about humanity wasting it’s time with drugs. Isn’t it each person’s own responsibility what they do with their time and whether they consider it a waste or not?

And BTW, I know you’re going to ignore it just like you ignore everything that I say, but calling them “illegal drugs” is stupid. They’re drugs. The legal status is what’s in question here. ANY drugs could be made illegal with the stroke of a pen in Washington so the current status of a drug is not the point. This thread is to discuss what the status of the drug should be.

But you “seemingly” are incapable of understanding that simple concept which is one reason why you post the nonsense that you do.

FU “Maybe in a better place?”

OTOH, perhaps humanity would be in a better place if they hadn’t wasted their time with Prohibition of alcohol and prohibition of marijuana in the first place? Just think how much money would have been saved over 70 years of pushing a wasteful “War on Drugs” and how much tax money could have been collected if they had been regulated and taxed right from the beginning.

Since there is no proof that marijuana is as harmful as other drugs that ARE legal, just what are you basing your opinion on?

Oh I know. You think that because marijuana is illegal that automatically it must be harmful. Facts from medical and scientific research don’t matter to you.

All that matters to you is that the same politicians who made the mistake of Prohibition back in the 30’s also pronounced marijuana illegal, so they must be right on marijuana even though they were wrong on alcohol. And of course it follows that you must think that politicians are always right and never make mistakes.

But wait, no doubt you’re a Republican so you actually think the exact opposite about politicians. So somehow they got marijuana right when according to your right wing views they can never get anything else right. Hmmmmmmm.

FU “Maybe there never would have been a need for a "War on Drugs."”

The “War on Drugs” is a stupid catch phrase that was instituted to rally those gullible enough to believe everything their politicians tell them. It’s been an abject failure and has cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars for absolutely no measurable benefit.

FU “Or a teenager on video take from the 60-70's yelling and complaining about his civil rights being violated because he got called out for smoking weed.”

Or a cigarette smoker on a video taken from the 90’s-00’s yelling and complaining about his civil right being violated because he got called out for smoking tobacco.

But of course you’re not likely to get the comparison, are you?

FU “Because some come in here and they seemingly want to "bash" the federal law for it somehow did someone wrong.”

Well, so far you “seemingly” haven’t been able to demonstrate that the federal law has somehow done something right.

FU “Humanity is better at "doing himself wrong" then any law that has been written to help protect from him from himself and to protect society.”

Sorry, but the whole concept of ‘freedom’ is that society doesn’t get to decide what’s right or wrong for an individual to do to himself in the privacy of his own home. That’s “seemingly” a concept that you religious right wingnuts can’t seem to get through your heads.

Just what makes you and the other believers think you have the right to tell other people how they should live their lives? I see the same thing with marijuana, abortion, same sex marriage and everything else. It’s Christianity’s version of the caliphate.

You haven’t proved that society NEEDS protection from marijuana. All you’ve been able to prove is that marijuana IS illegal, but you haven’t been able to give a single reason WHY it should be illegal.

FU “I look at this topic forum with a big picture approach.”

You don’t even understand the concept of “big picture approach” because you sure aren’t looking at it. We’ve tried to talk to you about it but as usual you just ignore anything that doesn’t fit with your preconceived ideas.
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 10:37:02 AM

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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 10:34:01 AM

Shock: The world is an unrealistic as some of humanity may imagine it to be as such.
Talk about the philosophy of how to view the word realistic, MAN does a whole lot more HARM to himself and others then any written law can.
And history is chuck full of examples. So where in the archives of man doing harm to himself and other would you like to start?
???? What is that about?
This topic forum is a great barometer for human behavior and attitudes.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/2/2014 10:40:25 AM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 9:15:14 AM

"If humanity didn't maybe waste its time with illegal drugs IE cannabis"

Nice unrealistic sentiment, unfortunately in the realistic world, this does not and is not happening...

" Maybe there never would have been a need for a "War on Drugs.""

If Marijuana was legalized then there definitely would be no need for a war on Marijuana...

"Humanity is better at "doing himself wrong" then any law that has been written to help protect from him from himself and to protect society."

How exactly are the laws prohibiting Marijuana protecting one from himself?
As for protecting society, the laws prohibiting Marijuana do far more to HARM then they do to protect it, which has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions...
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 8:58:51 AM

BT: The Professor of nonsense and his self fixing of others when the they express themselves according to the freedom of "expression."
Minus Professor BT biting at their back on how they write a POV.
Well there's another "something" else that you can put into your mental pipe and smoke it as well.
If humanity didn't maybe waste its time with illegal drugs IE cannabis, it makes one wonder where society today may be at? Maybe in a better place? Maybe there never would have been a need for a "War on Drugs."
Or a teenager on video take from the 60-70's yelling and complaining about his civil rights being violated because he got called out for smoking weed.
Because some come in here and they seemingly want to "bash" the federal law for it somehow did someone wrong.
Humanity is better at "doing himself wrong" then any law that has been written to help protect from him from himself and to protect society.
I look at this topic forum with a big picture approach.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/2/2014 9:00:55 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 8:12:38 AM

FU “To all the pro cannabis types in here.”

If you actually read my posts instead of just looking for things to whine about, you'd realize that I'm not so much “pro-cannabis” as I am pro-freedom and against stupid, harmful, and useless laws.

I don't advocate anybody using marijuana. But if they choose to do so, I don't think they should be thrown in jail and given a criminal record like you do.

FU “Does humanity maybe have some sort of a "reasoning disconnect" when it comes to indulging in illegal drugs like cannabis?”

No humanity per se (note correct spelling and correct use of the term), but certain individuals. One I can think of posts on this forum often.

FU “It's a very real and legitimate question to think about.”

Is it one you think about?

FU “I think maybe man dislikes himself to a certain degree.”

Obviously some do. Robin Williams perhaps was an example.

But what does that have to do with this topic or is it just another of your attempts to deflect away from the subject? You “seemingly” have a habit of posting incomplete thoughts and then never making the connection between whatever it is you have in mind and the topic.

FU “and indulging in weed and other illegal drugs is his maybe his "self created way" out of not having to deal with himself.”

That might apply to some people and not to others.

Why do you religious types always think that everybody MUST think exactly as you do? Why do you always think that the world is only black and white with nothing in between?
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 2:41:57 AM

To all the pro cannabis types in here.
Does humanity maybe have some sort of a "reasoning disconnect" when it comes to indulging in illegal drugs like cannabis?
It's a very real and legitimate question to think about.
BT: I think maybe man dislikes himself to a certain degree.. and indulging in weed and other illegal drugs is his maybe his "self created way" out of not having to deal with himself.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/2/2014 2:47:16 AM EST]
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rjhenn
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fueluser10 - "rjhenn: Have you ever seen the poster for 101 other ways to get high? That must be a distracting piece of advertising to see that poster from time to time?
A poster SUGGESTING to someone how do get high without weed or alcohol and the Federal law banning weed isn't even given a mention in its printed word?
That poster I'm sure has irked some who have actually read its NEUTRAL wording."

No, I haven't seen any such poster so, once again, I have no idea what you're talking about.

"And let me get this out there.. If alcohol was banned I could go WITHOUT having another drink. It would not bother me one bit."

What makes you think it's just about you? As mentioned previously, we banned alcohol once and it just made things worse.

"**The law banning weed. If ones turns their back while a law is being broken.. (So being mindfully blind and mute to a law being broken deems a law "not working" in some people eyes.) Is this how some people actually come to view this law through that reasoning or rationale?**
Want to try to reevaluating your "Insanity" reminder after reading the above POV?"

Nope, you're just supporting the accuracy of that definition.

"Does that argument work?"

Your argument seems to be that all laws, no matter how poorly designed, would work if people just threw away common sense and obeyed them slavishly. Unfortunately, that completely ignores human nature, not to mention the stupidity of some laws.

"'Kids using weed' kids should not be enabled to be near weed in the first place. But since they are being somehow enabled it counters your argument whether it would be illegal for them to have it or not either way."

The laws you support make it easier, not harder, for kids to get weed.

"So basically legalizing weed would not make what was wrong righted. But I'm going to guess that you disagree with that stated argument as well."

It's not an argument, but an unsupported opinion. And I don't think anyone is arguing that legalizing weed would fix everything, just make things better.

"What the hell is your problem?"

Part of his problem is that you have opinions, but no facts to support those opinions. And you don't seem to even try to present facts to support those opinions.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 6:03:18 PM

Exactly midorishonen, what I've been trying to impress upon our anti-freedom, do-as-I-say, legislative 'friend'.

Like you, I have no interest in using marijuana and I wouldn't use it even if it was legal. I've said so on this topic several times. While I do drink alcohol I use it in such moderation that the last time I would have been considered under the influence was over thirty years ago.

In either case, as long as I don't do anything that could harm anybody else, (ie, drive a car while under the influence), then it should be MY decision whether I want to use either of them in the privacy of my own home and it should be none of FU's or the government's business.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 5:54:10 PM

FU “Because "Mid" mentioned him in his POV. I'm sorry but I don't agree with that approach in mentioning POTUS in ones POV in regards to this topic forum.”

I know “mid” mentioned him. But you didn't have anything to say about him, his use of marijuana, what it means that he once smoked marijuana, what it has to do with the topic, or anything else. You merely complained (you do a LOT of complaining) that Mid mentioned him but gave no idea of why you were complaining.

IOW, a pointless comment on your part.

OTOH, Mid DID have a point for mentioning him and he reiterated that point so that we know exactly why the name was mentioned and what relevance it had to the topic.

Do you see the difference? Do you understand the difference?

A relevant point, unlike so many things that you say that “seemingly” have no relevance to the topic at all.

FU “THIS is my retort to you:”

I see you chose not to learn the real meaning of the word “retort”.

You keep saying that you want to learn but you keep rejecting every opportunity you get to learn. How are we to believe you in anything else if you won't even do what you claim you want to do?

FU “Is not ignoring a FEDERAL LAW not an act of "deflecting" a law?”

No, it's not “deflecting” the law.

Since you won't look at the link I posted regarding the definition of “retort” it's unlikely you're going to learn what “deflecting” actually means either. But rest assured, “ignoring” a law is not the same as “deflecting” a law.

It makes no difference whether the law is federal, state or municipal, so I don't know why you had to capitalize that part.

FU “"Damned" is swearing? I thought the "F" word, the "S" word, the "B" word, and the A**H*** words were the real swear words?”

There are many words that are considered swear words depending on who you are with and how the words are being used.

Yes, to call somebody “damned so-and-so” in many places is considered swearing, just as it is to call them a “bloody so-and-so”. The way you used it, and emphasized it by shouting (capitalization) you definitely were swearing. Many children would have got their mouths washed out with soap for taking it upon themselves to do usurp the Lord's business in that fashion.

FU “And BT you know as well as I do that anyone who carries water for the pro cannabis side is going to get Kudos from the pro cannabis side.”

No, I don't. Anybody who was on the pro-cannabis side who made such non-sensical arguments as you would not get kudos from me. I only have so much patience for incorrect statements, lies, stupidity and ignorance regardless of which side they're on.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 4:51:48 PM

FU: You keep bringing up the side topic of high school students. To your topic of I added relative information of an once infamous teen weed smoker named Barack Obama. Who made something of himself despite using marijuana. However, you want to dismiss my accurate information because its not what you want to hear,which is the truth.

If you cared to slowly read what I posted you would know my point is all about "self responsibility" the ability to think and do for oneself. Its legal to drink alcohol, but I don't because I choose not to. If marijuana were legal I wouldn't use it because I choose not to. All of these are my decision. If I chose to be a booze-hound then I can't blame the government or anyone for that decision.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 3:55:24 PM

BT: Because "Mid" mentioned him in his POV. I'm sorry but I don't agree with that approach in mentioning POTUS in ones POV in regards to this topic forum.
THIS is my retort to you: Is not ignoring a FEDERAL LAW not an act of "deflecting" a law?
"Damned" is swearing? I thought the "F" word, the "S" word, the "B" word, and the A**H*** words were the real swear words?
And BT you know as well as I do that anyone who carries water for the pro cannabis side is going to get Kudos from the pro cannabis side.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/1/2014 3:59:10 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 1:32:13 PM

FU “I'm not going to sit here.. and re mention The President of The United States name to add to this conversation because you wanted to mention it.”

Then why did you mention him at all? It's a “seemingly” pointless thing for you to have said.

FU “The Federal law is clear in its wording no matter who has smoked it in the past or who smoked the garbage yesterday.”

And once again you deflect away from the subject of this thread by telling us what the law is. We KNOW what the law is. That's been abundantly clear from the start.

But the topic of this thread is about what the law SHOULD be, not what it is.

Are you not able to understand that yet?

FU “That is my retort.. “

Yet another word that you apparently don't know the meaning of since you use it incorrectly over and over.

retort

1.
a. To reply, especially to answer in a quick, caustic, or witty manner. See Synonyms at answer.
b. To present a counterargument to.
2. To return in kind; pay back.

1. To make a reply, especially a quick, caustic, or witty one.
2. To present a counterargument.
3. To return like for like; retaliate.

1. A quick incisive reply, especially one that turns the first speaker's words to his or her own disadvantage.

None of your responses are quick, caustic, incisive or witty, nor do they present a counterargument.

But my prediction is that you, who * CLAIM * that you want to learn, will continue to use the word incorrectly and will refuse to learn the correct use of it.

FU “... because smoking weed isn't cool nor hip, or as popular as some may want to verbally lavish it at such.”

That likely depends on who you hang around with. For some people it isn't either cool, hip nor popular but for others it is.

Again, you, who * CLAIM * that you don't to speak for others just did that very thing and tried to speak for what others think about smoking weed.

Do you have any clue at all yet about why you you have no credibility?

FU “The conversation about legalizing weed is another passenger riding the "Pop Culture Train" just like many other things that have been placed on it over the years when needing "attention promoting" to help its questionable self out.”

You just contradicted yourself, because by the very use of the words “Pop Culture Train” it means that it IS popular.

Again, you lose credibility.

FU “And that conversation is a commercial sized can of messy worms which I'm fairly certain no one here wants to even contemplate opening up.”

Probably most here don't even have a clue what you're trying to say.

In fact, it seems that with the exception of yourself, GTH, and a couple of other religious “do as I say” types, most of the participants in this thread DO want to contemplate opening up that discussion.

FU “And the FEDERAL LAW didn't destroy anyone else's life either.”

Right. Tell that to the wife of the cop or the DEA agent who was killed trying to enforce such a pointless law. Tell that to the ex-con who's only crime was to grow a little marijuana for the use of himself and a few of his friends, but who will now never get a meaningful job because of his criminal record. Tell that to the terminal cancer patient slowly dying of starvation because he just can't face eating and is in constant pain unless he's so drugged up on narcotics that he doesn't even know his own name.

You really have no concept of the misery you promote, do you?

FU “You may want to point the verbally blaming finger in another direction. Isn't there a term out there called "self responsibility?"

If one is “self responsible” then one doesn't need a law to tell you what to do. The very purpose of laws is to take responsibility away from people.

FU “I'm sorry but my past is none of your DAMNED business. What the hell is your problem?”

I've been asking you what is your problem for what, close to two years now?

You claim that you don't try to speak for others and yet in almost every post you DO speak for others. Just trying to find out if you actually have any basis with which to be so presumptuous.

But as is not unexpected with you, you want to crawl into the gutter and get vulgar.

Again, midorishonen, who is relatively fresh out of high school, has much more mature behavior than you. He doesn't swear. He answers questions. He actually tries to debate the points instead of whining and crying and going off topic all the time. He makes legible posts that make sense. It doesn't matter whether I agree with him or not, at least he's understandable.

A person could learn a lot from him, IF they were actually willing to learn anything.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 11:06:28 AM

Mid; I'm not going to sit here.. and re mention The President of The United States name to add to this conversation because you wanted to mention it.
The Federal law is clear in its wording no matter who has smoked it in the past or who smoked the garbage yesterday.
That is my retort.. because smoking weed isn't cool nor hip, or as popular as some may want to verbally lavish it at such.
The conversation about legalizing weed is another passenger riding the "Pop Culture Train" just like many other things that have been placed on it over the years when needing "attention promoting" to help its questionable self out.
And that conversation is a commercial sized can of messy worms which I'm fairly certain no one here wants to even contemplate opening up.
And the FEDERAL LAW didn't destroy anyone else's life either. You may want to point the verbally blaming finger in another direction. Isn't there a term out there called "self responsibility?"
BT: I'm sorry but my past is none of your DAMNED business. What the hell is your problem?

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/1/2014 11:12:33 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 11:00:06 AM

Midorishonen, such a recent high school grad and yet so much more mature, articulate and apparently better educated.

Congratulations.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 10:49:36 AM

FU:I don't know when or where you finished high school, but from my recent high school experience is this, and its probably applies to many other situations,I finished high school in '09 and in the inner city of a large public school system in the 4th largest city in the US. I went to high school with people who did all kinds of drugs, however I finished school in the top of 10% of my class and never used drugs and I was offered drugs. Guess what, I said NO! Many other students in my grade level said no as well, some did drugs, some did not. Its the same situation anywhere you go. Individuals have to be strong enough to make their own decisions in order to be a functioning adult. President Obama admitted he smoke weed as a teenager in high school,and I'm not condoning his decision, but face facts weed didn't destroy his life.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 10:25:26 AM

FU “That poster I'm sure has irked some who have actually read its NEUTRAL wording.”

Because I barely notice any advertising, that poster hasn't irked me since I don't recall ever seeing it.

FU “And let me get this out there.. If alcohol was banned I could go WITHOUT having another drink. It would not bother me one bit.”

So because you don't drink alcohol you want it to be banned for everybody?

That was already tried with disastrous results. People are starting to realize just how a similar ban on marijuana is having similar bad results.

FU “**The law banning weed. If ones turns their back while a law is being broken.”

Nobody except you has said that. That makes it a strawman.

FU “So being mindfully blind and mute to a law being broken deems a law "not working" in some people eyes.”

Nobody has said that either.

What other people on this thread have actually done is to point out ways and give many examples of how the law is not working. It has nothing to do with “being mindfully blind and mute” and everything to do with the actual harm that the laws against marijuana have done.

That you “seemingly” don't know that is just more proof that you don't bother to read what other people post.

FU “Want to try to reevaluating your "Insanity" reminder after reading the above POV?”

Yeah. I did. And it still fits.

There are many examples of how the anti-marijuana laws don't work. These examples have nothing to do with being mindfully blind and mute. The laws do more harm than good. They very obviously do not work. Yet you want to keep trying them over and over again.

rjhenn's comment fits perfectly.

FU “Does that argument work?”

When you actually present an argument for prohibiting marijuana instead of just off topic deflections, then we'll let you know if it works.

But then, you might have to actually answer a question or two to present your argument and you “seemingly” aren't able to answer questions.

FU "Kids using weed" kids should not be enabled to be near weed in the first place.”

As has been pointed out to you numerous times, the law doesn't seem to be able to stop kids being near weed. But you want to keep trying the law over and over again anyway.

Thanks for such a quick example of the definition of insanity provided by rjhenn.

FU “But since they are being somehow enabled it counters your argument whether it would be illegal for them to have it or not either way.”

We've told you, if marijuana is illegal then the only way to get it is from criminals. Criminals by definition are breaking the law so they don't care if they sell it to kids. If it was legal then licensed sellers would undercut the prices of criminals and put them out of business. Licensed sellers don't want to lose their license so they won't sell to kids.

See, a logical, step by step of how legalizing marijuana would make it harder for kids to get marijuana.

Now, for a real debate, can you refute what I just said?

If you can, then great. You might win the point.

Past history has shown though that you won't even try to refute it. You'll ignore what I said and deflect by whining in some way about how I'm being so hard on you. That's not debate. That's what you do.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 10:00:00 AM

So FU, from what you say, are we to understand that you went to high school in the 1980's? That you finished school about 25 years ago? And that you're not married?

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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 9:53:17 AM

Midorishonen, you're absolutely correct except that I don't think the delusions are created by suburbia as much as they are by the religious believers. Said believers always see things in black and white but never recognize any grey. To believe things literally as they do they have to delude themselves, and then they go on to try to apply those delusions to others. They get into the habit of being told what to believe and how to live and that makes them think they can tell others how to believe and how to live.

If you search on some of FU's posts in some of the religious threads, you'll see he fits right in with that.
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FU “An how many people with traditional values have kept themselves out of weed indulging trouble?
They listened to those who gave a care about them.. and didn't ignore their well wishes?”

What does that have to do with a law? Laws aren't “well wishes”. Laws are the method society uses to force people to do things a certain way.

You “seemingly” don't understand the difference.

FU “It's a shame when kids back in the day like now have to figure out ways to keep from getting in trouble for another weed using teenagers issues.”

“back in the day like now” is nonsense.

I thought you said that you don't try to speak for others and yet here you are trying to speak for teenagers yet again.

And yet more proof that you know very little about what you're talking about since teenagers often try to figure out ways to get into trouble, or at least to get away with doing things that would get them into trouble if they get caught.

Laws prohibiting marijuana are for teenagers much like a red flag to a bull, just creating a challenge for them.

FU “That's why I am fond of the word fair.. because some stomp on it like a used cigarette.”

Obviously “fair” is another word you don't understand since passing laws to stop people from doing things just because YOU don't like them isn't fair. Fair would be to let people make their own decisions on how to live their lives, not having other people make laws telling them what to do.

FU “They step on the word "Law" and treat in in the same way.. especially the law in regards to cannabis. Can you make some useful sense of the above sentences? Or are they appearing wrong as well.”

No, your sentence doesn't really make much “useful sense”. But I know better than to waste my time asking you to restate it in a way that would make more sense.

FU “I wish I was as good at deflecting as some who do it for a professional living. I'm not a political representative.. so my so called filibustering skills aren't crap compared to theirs.”

Oh, you're better at deflecting than almost anybody I've ever met. I hope for your sake you never have to go to court though because a judge and lawyers would rip you a new one if you tried your tricks on them. Either you'd have to answer and stop deflecting or you'd find yourself in jail for contempt.

FU “Like I said before I don't speak in "internet or technology created" tongues.”

Actually no, you've never said anything like that before that I can remember.

FU “Frankly I find LOL, WTF, IOW, BTW, to be holding the use of words back.. because it comes across as lazy usages of the human language.”

So you don't like acronyms. That's your problem. But then, you don't like clear, concise and grammatically correct English either. Neither do you like to use dictionary definitions. You “seemingly” like to go out of your way to deflect by being obtuse and convoluted.

FU “This is especially for you, you can take the cliche, stupid, boring, and so OVERUSED word "TROLL".. and put it into your Mental Pipe.. and smoke it.”

My, my! Such a temper tantrum. Are you off your meds again?

Getting vulgar like that is the sure sign of a small mind in a small person. Are you a small person FU?

You know, you'd get much less frustrated if you actually tried discussing the issue instead of whining and crying. I'd be happy to discuss it with you but you “seemingly” are incapable of rational and polite conversation, so instead you leave me no alternative but to point out your inadequacies.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 6:27:55 AM

rjhenn: Have you ever seen the poster for 101 other ways to get high? That must be a distracting piece of advertising to see that poster from time to time?
A poster SUGGESTING to someone how do get high without weed or alcohol and the Federal law banning weed isn't even given a mention in its printed word?
That poster I'm sure has irked some who have actually read its NEUTRAL wording.
And let me get this out there.. If alcohol was banned I could go WITHOUT having another drink. It would not bother me one bit.
**The law banning weed. If ones turns their back while a law is being broken.. (So being mindfully blind and mute to a law being broken deems a law "not working" in some people eyes.) Is this how some people actually come to view this law through that reasoning or rationale?**
Want to try to reevaluating your "Insanity" reminder after reading the above POV?
Does that argument work?
"Kids using weed" kids should not be enabled to be near weed in the first place. But since they are being somehow enabled it counters your argument whether it would be illegal for them to have it or not either way.
So basically legalizing weed would not make what was wrong righted. But I'm going to guess that you disagree with that stated argument as well.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/1/2014 6:33:16 AM EST]
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fueluser10 - "And that majority.. is not speaking for me."

But you're trying to speak for it.

"Being that I'm a question asking individual and not a follower or certain ideal promoters. Being that a follower is to easy to do,"

Yet you only seem to follow the 'ideal' of "the law is the law and cannot be changed'.

Or questioned.

"I support life without the BS of legalizing another silly illegal substance needing to be hovering over the rest of societies head.
WE tolerate alcohol being abused in this country already. NOW we are being asked to tolerate again another illegal substance to be legalized and I'm going to guess its going to be abused to."

You are aware, aren't you, that both alcohol and marijuana were legal before they became illegal, and that making them illegal didn't make things any better.

"That's why the laws in this country have been passed to help deter those types of choice making."

Since they don't appear to have any real positive effect, why keep doing what we know doesn't work?

Remember? Insanity: doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.

"The majority of the pro cannabis POV you are expressing today is mainly deflective in its nature.
Which is typical and sadly nearly common place when some are pushing a questionable topic of conversation."

Actually, that's more descriptive of your usual post.

"I have discussed issues in my own way. And they didn't and I guess still do not pan out for your way of thinking and I don't know what other way to explain myself to you and I guess others."

Which basically means that you don't have any actual arguments to back up your opposition.

"Just like weed using kids smoking their crap around non weed using kids."

Which would be illegal even if pot was legalized. So what's your point?
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 2:56:24 AM

Mid: Do you want to preach a bit more?
Society has been accepting all sorts of individuals acting like some attitudes don't stink and its been doing this for a long time.
Off topic POV: Society via putting up with kids in high schools bullying other kids for their simple minded nonsense. Because they want to be the life of the damned classroom?
Demeaning and putting other kids down because in their minds they have a mental need to feel popular and have a slew of groupie kids to "Follow" them. (There's that word follow that was mentioned before.)
I use that WELL KNOWN example because that mentality is still going strong 25 years later in the education system that affects the non bullying kids.
Just like weed using kids smoking their crap around non weed using kids.
And then the weed using kids don't want to be hassled or want trouble for their weed using actions.
It's a shame that some level headed teenagers understand society better then some adults do.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/1/2014 3:01:46 AM EST]
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FU: Traditional values are delusions created by suburbia so they can live in their close-minded bubble world and pretend like everything perfect. Well here's a wake-up call nothing and no one is perfect. You can't use the law to make people perfect. And no matter what laws are in place Marcia Brady will always be a drug addicted prostitute and her father will always be gay.You have to learn to accept others as they are because you can't change them.

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BT: An how many people with traditional values have kept themselves out of weed indulging trouble?
They listened to those who gave a care about them.. and didn't ignore their well wishes?
It's a shame when kids back in the day like now have to figure out ways to keep from getting in trouble for another weed using teenagers issues.
That's why I am fond of the word fair.. because some stomp on it like a used cigarette.
They step on the word "Law" and treat in in the same way.. especially the law in regards to cannabis.
Can you make some useful sense of the above sentences? Or are they appearing wrong as well.
I wish I was as good at deflecting as some who do it for a professional living. I'm not a political representative.. so my so called filibustering skills aren't crap compared to theirs.
Like I said before I don't speak in "internet or technology created" tongues. Frankly I find LOL, WTF, IOW, BTW, to be holding the use of words back.. because it comes across as lazy usages of the human language.
BT: This is especially for you, you can take the cliche, stupid, boring, and so OVERUSED word "TROLL".. and put it into your Mental Pipe.. and smoke it.
Sorry for saying gifted.. those words ended up being wasted.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/31/2014 11:18:32 PM EST]
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Call it what you will FU, you seem to have a propensity for making up your own definition of words.

But the only person doing any deflecting on this thread is your yourself.

You refuse to actually debate the issues but merely repeat your traditional talking points in an attempt to deflect the discussion away from the topic.

I (and others here) have given facts while you give “seemingly”. I give links to medical papers while you can't even figure out how to make a link. I give rebuttals to your points, while you don't even acknowledge the points of anybody else. I answer questions, while you ignore any questions that anybody else asks of you.

If I've “twisted and turned things around” then show us where. Tell us what you mean when we ask for clarification because what you call “twisting” might just be that at least half the time nobody can tell what the hell you're trying to say because you have such an odd way of speaking and many time you “seemingly” have a different meaning for words than anybody else.

It's not my way of thinking that's wrong FU, it's your way of trying to express yourself that doesn't make sense, and you're too stubborn to even try to learn how to improve yourself no matter how much anybody tries to help or give you suggestions.

“Your own way” of discussing things FU, is to deflect, to obfuscate, to fillibuster, and to make statements so obscue that nobody knows what you're talking about. And then to ignore any and all requests for meaning.

It's called being a troll FU, and you “seemingly” are gifted at it.
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FU "My guess is this.. the adults whom were teenagers back on the 1980's are some of the culprits who are seemingly along with some of the other pro cannabis special interest groups representing today are trying to persuade and influence today's public opinion about the stance of wanting to get weed legalized for casual use."

Do you have some sort of stats on that you can share with us or is that another thought that you "seemingly" made up?

I can assure you that for myself I was not a teenager in the 1980's.

FU "Does the above statement maybe not have a bit of truth to it?"

Or does your above statement come from some dark, unsunny place?

FU "There isn't one law in this country that is limiting my freedom. I can drive from a to b, walk around shopping or going for a walk in a store or at a park, visit friends, eat at a restaurant, and my freedom is not hindered."

There are lots and lots of laws that limit your freedom. Just because you don't want to do something doesn't mean that you're not being limited from doing it. You may not want to drive at 150 mph down your street but if you wanted to do it there are laws limiting how fast you can go.

FU "Like I expressed to Idheinz.. the news makes what happens in this country everyone's business."

No they don't. Merely learning that something has happened doesn't make it your business to interfere with it happening. If the news said that there was a huge accident in the Holland Tunnel doesn't make it your business unless you were actually planning on driving to NY in the near future and using that route.

If being in the news makes something your business then you should be activating to have marijuana legalized because the news tells you how much it harms the country to enforce anti-marijuana laws. But you seem incapable of understanding that.
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2014 9:41:35 AM

BT: The majority of the pro cannabis POV you are expressing today is mainly deflective in its nature.
Which is typical and sadly nearly common place when some are pushing a questionable topic of conversation.
So twist and turn things around that I expressed in my POV thus giving you a slew of things to berate me about.
Please continue for it seems to be what you appear to be gifted in doing.
I have discussed issues in my own way. And they didn't and I guess still do not pan out for your way of thinking and I don't know what other way to explain myself to you and I guess others.
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FU "HAVE I EVER claimed to be speaking for others in here or for society?"

Yes, constantly.

You're always speaking for parents, and speaking for teenagers. You pretend to know exactly what parents want and how to deal with their children, yet you admit that you don't have any children let alone teenagers.

You also speak as if you know exactly what teenagers think and how they will behave when talked to by their parents. You speak as if you know exactly what motivates teens and as if you know all about everything to do with parent/teen relationships.

FU "I get tired of some trying to put words in ones mouth."

Then stop doing it so much.

Let parents and teens speak for themselves instead of speaking for them and trying to put words in their mouths.

FU "I'm saying that society "deserves" better.. and just not settling and accepting what some are trying persuade or influence others via a study or a poll."

How about that society deserves to have their taxes reduced instead of having to pay huge amounts to enforce a "victimless crime"? Why should society have to pay $30 billion a year to imprison nonviolent people who guilty of nothing more than trying to relieve their suffering from an incurable disease? How about society deserves to have those people out working and earning money and paying taxes instead os sitting in jail being fed and housed on the taxpayer's dime?

Until you can actually answer those questions and discuss those issues then you aren't really contributing to this debate, you're just interfering with other people who do want to discuss them.

I don't care if you're for or against legalizing. If you're against legalizing, that's fine. Just actually DISCUSS it instead of merely repeating your mantra of talking points over and over again without responding to what others say. If your point is refuted, then defend it, don't just ignore what was said and repeat the same crap over again as if nobody else has anything to say.

I'd love it if you could make a good case to keep marijuana illegal. I really would. At least it would give something to debate instead of you putting words in other people's mouths and presuming to speak for parents and teens and then denying it.

FU "That some studies and polls seem to be worded a certain way to get or engineered to gain idealized opinion to be trumpeted about in here."

Proving once again that you pay no attention to what other people post in here and that you don't bother to actually look at the links that people post.

Really, what is the point of anybody trying to discuss anything with you? It's like talking to a machine for all the thought that you put into it.

FU "Or are those studied and polls not maybe designed to be one sided to push a wanton pro cannabis POV?"

Can you give an example of what you're talking about or are you just making it all up? You surely don't know what the questions on the polls are because you don't look at links that people post.
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2014 9:08:32 AM

FU "I'm not in here carrying on like a law is keeping me from living a simple life."

And neither is anybody else so what's your point?

FU "I'm in here speaking for the non pro cannabis side from my POV."

No, you're not. You're here speaking for a law that tells people how they must live their lives.

FU "I keep seeing the word "Majority" flapping in here like its been affixed to a verbalized flag or something."

Whatever that means. Another one of your non-intelligible comments.

FU "And that majority.. is not speaking for me."

Nobody said they were. But if you acknowledge that they're the majority then perhaps you might question whether or not your POV is correct.

FU "Being that I'm a question asking individual .."

Why do you bother when you never pay any attention to the answers you get unless they're the same as what you already thought?

And part of being "a question asking individual" is also answering the questions when people ask for clarification of what you mean by your question. If you were REALLY interested in getting answers you'd answer that sort of question. Otherwise, people can't answer your question. But in almost two years now I have never, ever seen you answer any question. That proves you really DON'T want to know the answers, you just want to hear yourself talk.

Extremely rude!

FU "... and not a follower or certain ideal promoters. Being that a follower is to easy to do,"

Ah, so now you're accusing anybody who doesn't agree with you of being "followers". So if they don't want to be a "follower" they have to follow what you say and follow the law regardless of whether the law is good or bad?

You really oughta take a course in logic.

FU "One can move overseas and get high all that they want to in Amsterdam."

So your solution when faced with a bad law is to let our country do the wrong thing, leave all your friends and relatives, quit your job, even quit your language, and move to another country? Instead of trying to get a bad law changed. Gee, that makes sense, .. not.

FU "I support life without the BS of legalizing another silly illegal substance needing to be hovering over the rest of societies head."

To make sense (as if) of your statement, forget whether the substance is legal or not. Being illegal doesn't automatically make something bad just like being legal doesn't automatically mean that something is good.

So what you're saying becomes "I support life without the BS of having another silly substance needing to be hovering over the rest of societies head." Does that make any sense?

Not really. And even if it did, that's YOUR choice how to live YOUR life. You shouldn't have a say in how somebody else lives their life as long as it doesn't hurt you.

FU "WE tolerate alcohol being abused in this country already."

No, we don't tolerate alcohol being abused. If you're caught driving while drunk you get arrested and you can be fined, thrown in jail or both and lose your your license. If you're drunk on the job you can be fired with no severance or consideration. If you do something to harm somebody else while drunk you're charged and being drunk is no excuse.

That's the exact opposite of tolerance.

What we tolerate is alcohol being used responsibly. If you're not drunk while driving, not drunk in public and don't do stupid things that affect other people when drunk then society doesn't have any problem with you using alcohol in moderation.

That's why you have no credibility FU, because you make silly statements that are so easy to prove wrong.

FU "NOW we are being asked to tolerate again another illegal substance to be legalized and I'm going to guess its going to be abused to."Again, saying that the substance is illegal has no bearing. "We are being asked to tolerate another substance to be legalized" is the correct way to make your point. Whether it should be legal or not is the point that we are all trying to discuss but you keep on derailing the conversation with your "it's illegal therefore it should stay illegal" nonsense which doesn't address the topic at all.

FU "Why do I say this, because it would seem man cannot help himself but to do so."

Which doesn't make any sense.

FU "Then those actions sooner or later mentally bleeds over into the lives of other people messing with their lives when they least expect it."

And there are laws to deal with that happening already. Just as when somebody does something that "bleeds over into the lives of other people" when they're drunk can be arrested and jailed, so too would they be arrested and jailed if they did something when high on marijuana. The answer is to deal with those people who abuse a substance, not to punish everybody just because of a few irresponsible people.

If you were in school and one student in the class kept talking when the rules say not to talk, do you think it would be fair to give the whole class detention or some other penalty just because of that one rowdy student? Or do you think the one student should be punished and the rest of the class allowed to go?

Assuming your answer (since I know you won't be polite enough to actually answer somebody else's question), you want to punish all of society (ie. the whole class) just because one can't abide by the rules.

So yes, that type of choice making IS unfair! But that's what you want to do.

FU "That's why the laws in this country have been passed to help deter those types of choice making."

Then by God you better be activating to have automobiles banned and guns banned too because some people also abuse those and hurt or even kill people because of their irresponsibility. That's using YOUR logic and applying it to something else. But I'm pretty sure you can see the futility and stupidity of that right off. Perhaps you're not being logical if you can't see the relationship to what you're saying with marijuana?
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2014 9:06:18 AM

My guess is this.. the adults whom were teenagers back on the 1980's are some of the culprits who are seemingly along with some of the other pro cannabis special interest groups representing today are trying to persuade and influence today's public opinion about the stance of wanting to get weed legalized for casual use.
Does the above statement maybe not have a bit of truth to it?
Shockjock: There isn't one law in this country that is limiting my freedom. I can drive from a to b, walk around shopping or going for a walk in a store or at a park, visit friends, eat at a restaurant, and my freedom is not hindered.
Like I expressed to Idheinz.. the news makes what happens in this country everyone's business.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/31/2014 9:11:45 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 7:09:30 PM

"And that majority.. is not speaking for me"

If Marijuana is legalized, nobody is going to force you to use it...

"WE tolerate alcohol being abused in this country already."

As long as nobody other then the person "abusing" alcohol is getting hurt, why is it of your concern? If it'a friend or family member, what's stopping you from intervening?

"And that type of choice making is unfair."

Why is unfair?

"That's why the laws in this country have been passed to help deter those types of choice making"

These laws have been passed todirectly limit your freeedom. Sorry, we are supposed to live in a free country, and as long as I'm not hurting anyone else, it's really no one elses business what I do...
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 7:03:42 PM

"I get tired of some trying to put words in ones mouth"

When you claim society deserves better, you are indeed putting words in other peoples mouth, unless of course you believe you as an individual are "society"...
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 2:54:12 PM

rjhenn: HAVE I EVER claimed to be speaking for others in here or for society?
NO and again NO.
I get tired of some trying to put words in ones mouth.
I'm saying that society "deserves" better.. and just not settling and accepting what some are trying persuade or influence others via a study or a poll.
That some studies and polls seem to be worded a certain way to get or engineered to gain idealized opinion to be trumpeted about in here.
Or are those studied and polls not maybe designed to be one sided to push a wanton pro cannabis POV?



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/30/2014 2:56:20 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 2:38:42 PM

Idheinz; I'm not in here carrying on like a law is keeping me from living a simple life.
I'm in here speaking for the non pro cannabis side from my POV.
I keep seeing the word "Majority" flapping in here like its been affixed to a verbalized flag or something.
And that majority.. is not speaking for me.
Being that I'm a question asking individual and not a follower or certain ideal promoters. Being that a follower is to easy to do,
One can move overseas and get high all that they want to in Amsterdam.
I support life without the BS of legalizing another silly illegal substance needing to be hovering over the rest of societies head.
WE tolerate alcohol being abused in this country already. NOW we are being asked to tolerate again another illegal substance to be legalized and I'm going to guess its going to be abused to.
Why do I say this, because it would seem man cannot help himself but to do so.
Then those actions sooner or later mentally bleeds over into the lives of other people messing with their lives when they least expect it.
And that type of choice making is unfair.
That's why the laws in this country have been passed to help deter those types of choice making.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 8/30/2014 2:45:01 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 7:12:19 PM

Study: Marijuana Use Associated With Decreased Likelihood Of Domestic Violence
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Study: State Medical Marijuana Laws Associated With Lower Rates Of Opiate-Induced Fatalities
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EGN - "Has there been some new sort of debate from him? "

He still feels that everyone else's life is his to control.

fueluser10, how would you feel if people passed a law REQUIRING everyone to be high on marijuana all the time? Would you do it? Would you support that law as vigorously as you support the current law?
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 4:30:56 PM

malcm: "Could legalization of pot lead to the legalization of other "feel good", but harmful drugs?. "

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition maintains that ALL drugs should be legalized. They say we should take a completely different approach to the problem of drug abuse. We should treat abuse as a mental disorder and attack it at it's cause, rather than run around getting people killed trying to deal with the effects.

Keeping drugs illegal creates the black market which causes all the violence, killings heartbreak of loss and cost of enforcement, courts and prisons.

Instead we should focus our efforts on rehab, rehab, rehab. Put all those resources from enforcement, courts and prisons into rehab. Identify problems early on and route them into treatment. Or does that make too much sense?

Take away the black market and there's nothing to fight over. Removes all the drug-related profits from gangs. Take away their market and their main source of income. Gangs would be greatly diminished. They would not have nearly as much to fight over. Many of them would give it up and disband. Many would learn that with a little education it is easier to make good money legally.

Perhaps it would also help with our race issue. Since many are convinced that skin color makes or breaks their opportunities, with so many seeking a place in this world ingenuity would replace the unimaginative drug trade. Somebody would come up with a way to utilize all that potential wealth-generating manpower.

As it is now you've got kids on the street who think they have no choice but to go into drug dealing and gangs. Take that away and they will be forced to get more creative.
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 3:00:49 PM

"When society creates rehab centers to help those who have dependency issues
I think that's a big sign that people care about people."

Actually, the majority of people going to rehab centers for marijuana aren’t there because marijuana is causing a problem, but because they’re being ordered by the courts to go as part of their penalty for getting caught.

It’s not a sign that people care about people so much as it’s a sign that some people want to force their way of life on other people and make everybody have to live the same way.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 2:05:53 PM

Could the prohibition of pot lead to the prohibition of other "feel good" but also medically useful drugs?

The answer is that of course it could, and DID.

Almost every pain killer with the exception of salicylates and NSAIDS have an element of "feel good" about them. Because of that they can be abused if used irresponsibly.

Some of these pain killers are illegal but most of them are legal and controlled to varying degrees depending on their abuse potential.

The only exception to this is marijuana which is more illegal than any of the pain killers yet with no relationship to its abuse potential which is much less than that of every almost every other pain killer known.

It makes zero sense.
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:47:10 PM

Could legalization of pot lead to the legalization of other "feel good", but harmful drugs?.
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:46:22 PM

Has there been some new sort of debate from him?

[Edited by: El_Gato_Negro at 8/29/2014 1:48:14 PM EST]
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:17:55 PM

FACT: Every time the LEAP: Law Enforcement Against Prohibition link has been posted or mentioned fueluser10 has ignored it and failed to answer any direct questions about why Law Enforcement professionals would hold the view that marijuana should be legal. Basically, they deal with people every day and can see that smoking marijuana does not cause people to be violent (exactly the opposite, actually); and they can also see that the tremendous profits for smuggling and dealing it are so attractive that people will kill police to protect those profits.

FACT: Drug dealers and smugglers want cannabis to stay illegal because if it were made legal it would wipe out their profits.

FACT: When marijuana is legalized it ends the violence associated with selling it illegally.

FACT: Teen marijuana usage rates have fallen where marijuana has been legalized.

FACT: Big Pharma also wants it to stay illegal because their harder prescription drug sales fall wherever marijuana is legalized.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:11:34 PM

fueluser10 - "Whom are you SPEAKING for SemiSteve?
Because it sure isn't for me."

Yet you claim to be speaking for parents and all of society.

"Society as a whole DESERVES better."

Exactly why the law should be changed.

"But the legalizing of an illegal drug...."

Pot wasn't made illegal by an act of God. That law was made by men, and it's increasingly clear that it was a mistake.

"So are you maybe suggesting that some people don't care about others?"

You seem to care more about the law itself than the negative effects it has on others and society.

"A law helping to take care of society is a detriment?"

When it doesn't help take care of society, but harms it instead, yes, it's a detriment.

"When society creates rehab centers to help those who have dependency issues
I think that's a big sign that people care about people."

But you favor laws that put those people in prison, instead of rehab centers.

"But the ideology of cannabis wanting to be legalized is pushing an ideal on society."

As is your ideology that the law is the law and cannot be changed.

"And LEGALIZATION is giving into an ideal. It won't solve all the issues with weed.. but just like alcohol it will continue to hinder society via some and their wanton choices."

But the law would no longer be making things worse, instead of better.

"FACT: The garbage is illegal."

And the question is whether or not it should remain illegal.

"FACT: Man is going to abuse another drug."

Man is already abusing many drugs that are illegal, including pot. All making them illegal accomplishes is to make their manufacture and distribution uncontrollable.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:05:27 PM

FACT: Whether something is illegal or not has no bearing on whether or not it SHOULD be illegal. This has been pointed out to you dozens of times and yet still you ‘seemingly’ have an obsession with it as if you think you’ve found some great big important point. You haven’t.

FACT: The country could make more profits from taxation of marijuana than it does from not taxing marijuana. That would mean the rest of us who don’t use marijuana would pay LESS taxes. I don’t know about you but I’d rather pay less tax than more tax, but you ‘seemingly’ want to pay more taxes.
FACT: That’s that man’s business, not yours. Unless that man is going to do something to you because of those drugs then it’s none of your business to stop him.

FACT: YOU don’t know what reasons teens have for smoking weed today. YOU are not a teenager and you have told us that you don’t have any children, so don’t be so presumptuous as to tell us that you know what motivates all teenagers. They’re not all the same.

FU10 “Popular is a seriously messed up word being that its a stupid safe word.”

“Seemingly” is another seriously messed up word too being that you seem to think it’s some sort of safe word. So what’s your point?

“The studies and polls that have been done are seemingly nothing more than hyped side sales pitches to make weed seem more societal friendly. In other words, its like buttering up the public to the ideal.”

So in your opinion you consider that the American Medical Association, the New England Journal of Medicine, the Lancet, and all the other esteemed medical journals and organizations in the world are just making hyped up sales pitches so some people can get high?

That is one of the most screwed up theories I have ever heard from anybody. Since when did you get multiple degrees and learn more than all the medical researchers in the nation?
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