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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 5:17:33 AM

This topic is for a discussion on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2015 9:29:50 AM

Of course there's not much science, or necessarily much logic behind the laws. Much of the time politicians make their decisions based on what they perceive will bring the most support for reelection.
rjhenn
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 9:12:31 PM

'm not sure what's behind federal laws onmarijuana,but there doesn't seem to bemuchscience involved.
ldheinz
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 7:41:40 PM

Obama Predicts Marijuana Will Be Rescheduled
BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 6:22:08 PM

There are some people who seem to support prohibition of marijuana because of a perception that it fits their conservative leanings.

So here's the Republican argument to end marijuana prohibition

RAMP Republicans Against Marijuana Prohibition
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2015 8:55:15 AM

Step 1 is for the Federal Government to decriminalize marijuana. Period.
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2015 8:49:27 AM

"what may await us, I wonder, when those with poor mentality are even further handicapped?"

With marijuana use already very prevalent in the US, there is no reason to wonder...
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2015 12:38:35 AM

As usual, good replies. I hope you're eventually right. However, as tobacco. alcohol and hard drugs have all been proven to be harmful "toys", what may await us, I wonder, when those with poor mentality are even further handicapped?
ldheinz
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 10:31:33 PM

malcm - " MJ may have some serious attendant "downsides" "

Actually, by displacing alcohol, it appears to be having significant "upsides", like lower traffic fatalities, increased tax revenue, and so forth.
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 8:49:57 AM

Oh, one more point on the "waste of land".

I personally think that growing eggplant or zuchinni are both a waste of land but I understand that some people like those plants. Each to his/her own. What's a good use for land can be very subjective and therefore should not be legislated by those who don't have a dog in the fight.
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 8:25:02 AM

malcm "Waste

: of land - I doubt if the 'farmers' making money off it would consider it a waste. Personally I don't agree with tobacco growing but just like marijuana growing, neither you nor I own the land so it's frankly none of our business.

Do you also think it's a "waste of land" to grow hops, barley, wheat, rye, corn, wine grapes, etc. that are all used to make alcohol?

And finally, whether you like it or not, SOME marijuana is used for medicinal purposes and is better than other drugs for those purposes. Do you think growing medicine is "a waste of land"?

: time - similarly to the use of land, what other people do with their time is none of our business.

However, what is waste to one person is time well spent to another. Many people think going to church every Sunday and praying is a waste of time. My wife thinks that posting on this website is a waste of time. Others think watching pro sports is a waste of time. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

: intellect - for the user or the grower? You're not specific enough to comment.

: productivity - Again, you're not being very specific. But the stereotype of people who use marijuana not being very productive is also the stereotype of the kind of people who aren't very productive anyway - even if they weren't using marijuana. So which came first, the chicken or the egg?

However, like most stereotypes, this one is probably wrong. Universities and colleges are places of high marijuana use, and yet it can be reasonably argued that those students are or will become some of the most productive people in the nation.

I'm sure we would both be surprised if we knew which top level executives in businesses use marijuana, at least on occasion.

: alertness - that's again a very vague idea that makes it hard to respond to. If they're operating heavy equipment or doing fine detailed work then probably you're right. If they're watching tv (another waste of time?) while relaxing on a Friday after a hard week of work, not so much so. They probably don't want to be so alert.

Got any more?
and eventually, of a number of valuable "et ceteras"!
malcm
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2015 2:38:26 AM

Waste - - - of land - time - intellect - productivity - alertness - and eventually, of a number of valuable "et ceteras"!
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 8:44:12 AM

Ok malcm, what are the problems that you associate with the cultivation, marketing and use of marijuana?

malcm
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 12:39:26 AM

OK - I sure don't want to be linked with the "Reefer Madness" exaggeration. However, I suspect that the combinations of problems that seem to be accompanying the cultivation, use and marketing of MJ may have some serious attendant "downsides" - as with alcohol. I hope I'm wrong.
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 2:47:22 PM

malcm - "Or to be prevented from damaging their own families?"

Actually, I know a woman whose marijuana usage saved her family, by helping her stay off of the much more dangerous drugs of heroin and alcohol. How would you determine who SHOULD be using pot?

malcm - "Pot plays tricks on the mind and may make users misbehave."

Why would you think that? What tricks? What misbehaving? FYI, the typical reaction to too much pot is people fall asleep.
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 8:17:51 AM

malcm "Pot plays tricks on the mind and may make users misbehave."

Speaking of gross exaggerations, do you have anything to back that up? It sounds like something straight out of 'Reefer Madness'.

The most common "misbehavior" seen from marijuana users is to make them raid the cookie jar. It makes them hungry.

As far as trying to link Ferguson to marijuana use, anybody can say anything and make it sound plausible. Perhaps Islamic terrorists played a part in the tragic affair at Ferguson too? Or a KKK conspiracy? But without any evidence it's nothing more than baseless speculation.
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 8:07:43 AM

I agree with you malcm, that gross exaggeration can be brought to almost any argument.

What I disagree with is WHICH is the gross exaggeration.

The film 'Reefer Madness' that set all this silliness in motion was one of the grossest exaggerations in the history of movie making. There is absolutely no evidence that marijuana drives people crazy, that it's addicting or any of the other portrayed in the film. And far from being harmful, (there is some slight harm from breathing any sort of smoke), there are documented health benefits to using marijuana medically.

OTOH, it's no exaggeration at all to say that potato chips are a health hazard because of their excess salt, the oils they're cooked in, the excess starches and trans fats. But unlike marijuana there's no offsetting health benefits to eating chips.

And what's this about an anti-smoking drug having alcohol risks? You DO know I hope that possibly as many as 1/3 of ALL drugs readily available in the pharmacy and prescribed by doctors carries warnings about not using them with alcohol?

If you read the possible side effects listed for most legal drugs listed in the PDR it would make you shudder. Seizures, heart attacks, strokes, are commonly listed.
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 12:47:28 AM

Pot plays tricks on the mind and may make users misbehave. Could it have played a part in the tragic affair in Ferguson? Re. that - I've written 4 messages recently, but made the mistake of posting them on 6 Ball Man's message entitled, "Things that make me go hmmm" take a look, pls --
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2015 11:18:21 PM

Gross exaggeration can, naturally, be brought to bear in most arguments - on either side, but consider an article in today's (3/14} L.A. Times:
ANTI-SMOKING DRUG HAS ALCOHOL RISKS, FDA says
Chantix users describe becoming more easily inebriated than usual. Some report seizures.
- and the article continues for two columns . . .ending with - Pfizer is conducting a clinical trial and the results are expected to be available later this year.
Yes, I know, risk aversion, too, can be carried to extremes, but the human body is an extraordinary gift and, I feel, is deserving of appreciation and serious care. Putting junk on the open shelves, with advertised "specials" {bound to happen) will eventually prove to be a mistake.

[Edited by: malcm at 3/14/2015 11:22:52 PM EST]
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malcm "Or to be prevented from damaging their own families?"

To use that for a reasoning to prohibit marijuana would be a very slippery slope. Where would it stop?

Potato chips, candy, ice cream, fatty foods, coffee, soda, etc. etc. could all be prohibited under the same justification.

Sports of almost any kind like tennis, skiing, football, etc., etc. could be prohibited because people's bodies could get damaged participating in them.

Many jobs could be prohibited because working at them could damage your body.

We could just stay at home in padded rooms and have robots make us nutritious, bland food to keep our bodies safe.

But who'd want to live in a world where you don't have the freedom to make your own decisions?
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2015 7:31:07 PM

" - - to be told what to do with their own bodies" ? ?
Or to be prevented from damaging their own families?
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2015 6:58:49 PM

Three years ago, my wife and I moved into a retirement community. Alcohol, while not forbidden, and even frequently served, plays a very small part in our milieu - no staggering drunks to be seen - thankfully. Why? Perhaps age, itself, brings moderation? Or careful screening interviews prior to admission. Enjoyable recreation and general cameraderie fostered, in part by a work history in a common industry - dunno. Overuse of intoxicants often bespeaks of loneliness, and here intoxicants are replaced by enjoyable activities.
Don't need MJ
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"If someone wants to use something that might have negative affects on their health, isn't the ability to do so part of what living in a free society is all about."

FU “Pardon the question but are you speaking of the same society that exists today? Because I'm confused as to what variation or version of society that you may be alluding to?”

So are you saying that the support giving the government the power to tell people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies? Interesting.

FU “Why should weed be treated differently?”

My question eexactly. One which you've never been able to answer.

FU “Even after legalizing alcohol, the positive answers to some of the questions in regard to it are thin. But its become a cash cow.. so keep on producing it, selling it, and drink the heck out of it thus in a matter of speaking keeping the masses happy.”

So it sounds like you support the Prohibition of alcohol too?

Nice to know that even the disastrous failure of a program isn't enough to stop you from supporting it and wanting to do it all over again.

FU “Point being Alcohol use is tolerated..”

If you've ever been to a gathering of politicians you'd realize that it's more than just “tolerated”.

FU “.. but is rejoice free..”

No idea what you're talking about. You must be a teetotaller because in every party I've been to where there's alcohol available the 'rejoicing' is much greater than those without.

FU “.. and weed is tolerated as well but is not rejoiced in either.”

Again not sure what you're talking about but the more you post the more it sounds like you don't live in the real world.

I'd guess Amish but then you wouldn't be using a computer. Some other odd religious outgrowth?

FU “Weed usage being legalized in some states for casual is going to be placed within the same tired context.”

Definitely no idea what you're talking about there.

The only “same tired contexts” always seem to be yours. But you never explain them.
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2015 5:25:00 AM

BT: "If someone wants to use something that might have negative affects on their health, isn't the ability to do so part of what living in a free society is all about."
Pardon the question but are you speaking of the same society that exists today? Because I'm confused as to what variation or version of society that you may be alluding to?
Why should weed be treated differently? (Even after legalizing alcohol, the positive answers to some of the questions in regard to it are thin. But its become a cash cow.. so keep on producing it, selling it, and drink the heck out of it thus in a matter of speaking keeping the masses happy.)
Point being Alcohol use is tolerated but is rejoice free and weed is tolerated as well but is not rejoiced in either. Weed usage being legalized in some states for casual is going to be placed within the same tired context.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 3/13/2015 5:32:57 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2015 6:14:23 PM

Dependency, habituation, call it what you will, from all reports, those who are under the influence of this drug are reported to become (careful, don't offend) intellectually challenged (ok ?). At any rate, I'm glad that, so far, my family is free of that influence.

That may or may not be true malcm. Perhaps a totally different topic that could be started.

For instance which comes first? Is it that marijuana causes people to become "intellectually challenged" or is it that people who are so challenged are more likely to use marijuana?

And even if it's that such people are more likely to use marijuana, is THAT because they're "intellectually challenged" or is it that by being so challenged they can't get good jobs and the resulting depression drives them to either drink or smoke?

But whatever the chain of events, if somebody wants to use something that might have negative effects on their health, isn't the ability to do so part of what living in a free society is all about?

Nobody says you can't drink alcohol, or eat fattening junk food, or sit on a couch all day, or whatever else you want to do with your own body, as long as by doing so you don't hurt somebody else.

If that's true (and I dare you to tell me that it's true in at least in the United States), then why should marijuana be treated any differently?
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2015 4:48:51 PM

Dependency, habituation, call it what you will, from all reports, those who are under the influence of this drug are reported to become (careful, don't offend) intellectually challenged (ok ?). At any rate, I'm glad that, so far, my family is free of that influence.
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FU "People are becoming addicted to weed ..."

No they aren't. Addiction to marijuana is exceedingly rare if it all.

FU "Just as they have become addicted to alcohol."

No, not at all as people become addicted to alcohol (or narcotics, or tobacco, or caffeine).

If you think otherwise tell us what the detoxification of marijuana looks like. Do they get the shakes? Cramps? Other symptoms of physical withdrawal?

FU "If someone is lighting up a pack to 2.5 packs a day of cigarettes, or drinking alcohol just about everyday, or smoking weed nearly each day.. seems like a pattern is developing to me."

A pattern is not the same thing as an addiction.

There are three stages recognized in medicine. Habituation, dependency, and addiction.

Smoking marijuana every day is a habituation. They can stop any time they want to and don't have physical withdrawal symptoms. They keep using it, like weaslespit and chipotle, because they like it and it's become a habit. But they aren't addicted to it and if they can't get it they suffer no ill effects.

In a dependency if they stop they don't get physical withdrawal symptoms but they also can't function as well without the drug. Caffeine does that to most people who say they just can't wake up without their morning cup of java.

Addiction is where there are physical withdrawal symptoms, sometimes severe and debilitating. These symptoms include, but are not limited to, the DTs (shakes), cramps, nausea, vomiting, etc.

FU "Or when it comes to weed the definition of addiction has been given a new meaning?"

No, the medical definitions have always been the same. The average layperson, such as yourself, doesn't use the terms correctly.

But most people are willing to learn. You apparently are not because I've told you about this before.
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2015 11:11:06 AM

"The proper term for it is habituating."

I habituate Chipotle products. I guess you could call it an addiction based on how often I purchase their delicious fare but I don't suffer physical withdrawal symptoms when I am without...

Legalize, tax and decriminalize marijuana. Save hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of law enforcement hours that can be used in other more serious venues.



[Edited by: Weaslespit at 3/12/2015 11:12:26 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2015 10:54:53 AM

Shockjock: People are becoming addicted to weed if they haven't already. Just as they have become addicted to alcohol. If someone is lighting up a pack to 2.5 packs a day of cigarettes, or drinking alcohol just about everyday, or smoking weed nearly each day.. seems like a pattern is developing to me.
Or when it comes to weed the definition of addiction has been given a new meaning?


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 3/12/2015 10:59:42 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 7:52:26 PM

evil weed is causing a huge increase in crime
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Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel likes to blame the ineffectiveness of Chicago’s tough gun control laws on the rest of the country saying Windy City violence is due to lax gun laws in neighboring states. NYC Police Commissioner Bill Bratton has taken the blame game a step further, finding a causal relationship between legalized marijuana in states like Colorado and Washington and the recent rise in shootings in New York City.

Shootings are up 17% in NYC this year and people want an explanation. It can’t be sh*tty policing, terrible leadership, or laws that favor the criminals, so it must be legal marijuana. The only problem is, pot isn’t legal in New York, so Bill Bratton is finding blame in the legalization of marijuana in states that are thousands of miles away.

I’m not really sure how that works, but luckily Mediaite is on the case:

Shootings in New York City have gone up 17 percent in the past year, and according to NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton, marijuana legalization across the United States is partly to blame.

Bratton held a press conference and offered up this stunning piece of deductive reasoning:

Bratton referred to marijuana as “the seemingly innocent drug that’s been legalized around the country,” and says that yes, it’s connected to a rise in shootings.

Okay, he didn’t really explain how legal weed in Colorado was making people shoot each other in NYC. He did however take a cue from Reefer Madness and said that marijuana is the most evil drug known to mankind:<<<

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 3/4/2015 7:54:08 PM EST]
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"If someone smokes weed 5-7 days a week, that's not being addicted to the stuff?"

Not necessarily. The definition of addiction is a strong and harmful need to regularly have something or do something.

Just because someone chooses to do something on a regular basis that doesn't necessarily mean they are addicted. For instance, I normally work out 5 to 6 times a week, but believe me, I'm not addicted to it...
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 9:37:36 AM

If someone smokes weed 5-7 days a week, that's not being addicted to the stuff? People who smoke cigarettes everyday are addicted, as well as some who drink beer/liqueur everyday they are addicted as well aren't they?


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 3/4/2015 9:43:16 AM EST]
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If Utah chooses to legalize medical marijuana, it may face a new worry: rabbits who eat the plant and get high.

The DEA’s newest marijuana threat: stoned rabbits
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 8:36:26 AM

The proper term for it is habituating. Addicting is where there's a physical need for it.
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 8:29:25 AM

Marijuana is not physically addictive. People like it, though.
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Addiction seems to be the downside feared here - as with alcohol and other drugs, including tobacco. Opium? But then, anything that feels good has the possible downside of addiction and overuse, right? Tennis, golf - sex? Where do we draw the line? Once a line is drawn, enforcement itself seems to become addictive!
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According to a study published in the journal Scientific Reports, researchers examined the ratio of toxicity and human intake for a number of legal and illegal "drugs," including alcohol and tobacco, and discovered that marijuana was by far the least dangerous drug of them all.

"The results confirm that the risk of cannabis may have been overestimated in the past. At least for the endpoint of mortality, the margin of exposure for THC/cannabis in both individual and population-based assessments would be above safety thresholds. In contrast, the risk of alcohol may have been commonly underestimated."
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:37:46 AM

But that's true of ANY drug malcm.

Over the counter or prescription, they all have their side effects and possible harm. I've heard it said that if Aspirin were discovered today it would be a scheduled drug and caffeine would be a prescription drug.

For that matter, even every kind of food that you consume has good and bad associated with it.

When the possible harm is balanced against the known good, marijuana comes out strongly on the good side, and much safer than almost any drug you have in your medicine cabinet.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:21:57 AM

As with tobacco and alcohol, there ARE negatives involved - in the production, marketing, and as well as the usage. I think results in Colorado will, eventually, tell a negative story. I hope I'm wrong.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 6:35:53 PM

Yes, but what does that have to do with marijuana?
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At birth we're provided with this amazing "mechanism" - the body. - to service us the remainder of our life. How foolish we obviously are when we disrespect it.
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2015 8:59:43 AM

Is that good or bad?
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 10:20:20 PM

Good report on local TV on how easy getting a medical card is and that lack of oversight makes it a recreational market already.
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 7:29:45 PM

Risk Assessment Study: Cannabis' Purported Dangers Have Been "Overestimated"
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Study: Marijuana Use Not Associated With Previously Reported Changes In Brain Morphology
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Why, malcm? Should you use heroin instead?
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"Have a toke?" Be smart - just say "NO".
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2015 2:08:52 PM

Surgeon General Acknowledges "Marijuana Can Be Helpful"
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Here you go, FU:

Feds: THC-Positive Drivers No More Likely To Be Involved In Motor Vehicle Crashes

It's actually another reference to the same study that rjhenn provided.



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FU "But in the news two days ago it was stated that driving incidents involving drivers who had indulged in weed are now outpacing drivers under the influence of alcohol."

As has been pointed out to you before, the current tests used by the DMV only tell if a person has used marijuana WITHIN THE PAST MONTH.

It doesn't tell whether the person is currently under the influence of marijuana so it's useless in determining if a driver is impaired. The figures that you quote are therefore pointless.
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FU - "It makes one wonder when THC testing at the DMV might start taking place to help curtail and monitor this newly growing phenomenon. "

How would that help? Should we use breathalyzers at the DMV as well? Since you haven't been paying attention, that study didn't prove any increase in problems, just an increase in testing sensitivity.
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rjhenn: But in the news two days ago it was stated that driving incidents involving drivers who had indulged in weed are now outpacing drivers under the influence of alcohol.
It makes one wonder when THC testing at the DMV might start taking place to help curtail and monitor this newly growing phenomenon.
I am all for medicinal weed, but if there has been casual weed that has been derived from the medicinal weed then the issue of procurement practices going on and then you have some who question the law when the act of procuring the casual weed is what the law is intended for in the first place.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 2/13/2015 7:19:27 AM EST]
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