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ldheinz

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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 5:17:33 AM

This topic is for a discussion on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:33:27 PM

SE3.5, it sounds to me like parents need to keep in mind that kids will try to steal brownies. Since pot can't harm the kids, there shouldn't need to be a law.
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:55:23 AM

"Sales of infused edibles make up about 45 percent of the legal marijuana marketplace, said Dan Anglin, the chairman of the Colorado Cannabis Chamber of Commerce." . . . "accidental ingestions have sent children to the hospital, caused an increase in calls to poison-control hotlines and become one of the key measures lawmakers use in discussing whether legal marijuana sales can fit harmoniously in society."

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[Edited by: SE3.5 at 10/22/2014 8:55:57 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:49:37 PM

Legalize it. Tax it. Free-up our judicial system...
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:47:57 PM

Correction: The Florida election date is Nov 4th.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:28:55 PM

"Why don’t they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as Prohibition did, in five years we will have the smartest people on earth." - Will Rodgers
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:29:58 AM

The medical marijuana constitutional amendment is up for general election vote in Florida Nov 2nd.

It enjoyed a commanding advantage in the polls until recently when the deep-pocketed forces against it threw millions into a PR campaign. Now it is running at 48% yes among likely voters. That is not even close to the 60% required for passage.

Groups opposing include big pharma (cuts into their pain medication profits), corporatized prison (profits again), prosecution groups (same reason), and prison worker unions (you guessed it).

Money outweighs compassion; as many of those who would qualify for a prescription are the terminally ill.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 6:52:27 PM

Canada: Nation's Largest Mental Health Group Calls For Legalizing Cannabis
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 6:19:18 PM

New Mexico: Appeals Court Says Medicinal Marijuana Costs Covered By Workers' Comp
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 5:31:54 PM

Study: Administration Of Non-Psychotropic Cannabinoid Halts Colon Cancer Progression
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 5:39:35 PM

Marijuana Use Is Associated With Increased Survival In Brain Injury Patients
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 4:34:47 PM

Please sign the Petition.
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:35:06 AM

Pot should be legalized, regulated and sold like alcohol, says addiction center

"In a policy statement released Thursday, the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto said cannabis should be sold through a government-controlled monopoly and with limited availability and an age limit, possibly through outlets similar to provincially operated liquor stores."

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""We have a lot of our adolescents smoking marijuana, so it does not do what it's supposed to be doing," he said of criminalizing cannabis. "We push our youth, our adolescents into an illegal market, and where other drugs are sold from the same dealer."

"And we cannot control all of this unless we legalize the substance ... plus we can control the potency and the quality too."

Part of that control would include restricting sales to consumers over a certain age — such as 19, 20 or 21 — similar to age rules in place for those buying alcohol."

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"The war on drugs has failed and it has done more damage than any possible good," said Culbert. "So we have to take a different approach."

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"Benedikt Fischer, an addictions expert at B.C.'s Simon Fraser University, said the federal government's insistence on criminalizing marijuana possession and use has led to "hundreds of thousands" of Canadians over the years carrying a criminal record, which can have a far-reaching impact on their lives, including being unable to qualify for certain jobs.

"And we're not effectively deterring cannabis use nor are we effectively preventing harms," said Fischer, adding that pricing of a legalized product is also a key element of regulation — high enough to prevent too much use, but not so high it would send people to the black market looking for a less expensive product.

"The objective is not to make cannabis as cheaply available to as many people as possible, but really to make sure that people who want to consume cannabis have a safe and regulated and controlled supply that they choose over the black market," he said."

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"Rehm said a legalized system would need to be designed at the federal level and given the blessing of Parliament, but CAMH does not advocate following the somewhat wild-west example of Colorado, which has legalized pot but has few constraints on who can sell the product or to whom.

"That's exactly what we do not want.""

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So is Canada going to do a better job of this than the U.S.? Just like they managed public care better?

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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 11:05:03 AM

Survey: Women Say Cannabis Is Most Effective Alternative Pain Treatment Option
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 8:36:25 PM

Just to clarify, I said the nation. FU read the nation as a whole. Nice try putting words in my mouth FU. Busted.

As has been pointed out I was referring to the numerous polls showing not only a majority favor full legalization (making it appropriate to say 'the nation') but the majority grows with every poll. It is rapidly approaching the point where it is only the out-of-touch minority which still clings to all the disproven myths behind continued waste of tax money to lock up once tax-paying productive citizens for a victimless 'crime' (by definition only).
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 8:43:04 AM

FU "NO the nation as whole does not see it that way. Where is there any study or poll showing that the nation as whole see's it that way?"

Shockjock (with a link) "Fifty-eight percent of respondents said they support marijuana legalization"

Proving once again that FU does NOT want to learn anything despite his claims to the contrary.

That FU does NOT base his POV on facts and reality but just on what is "seemingly" right to him/her/it.

That FU is NOT interested in looking at the truth.

That FU not only isn't capable of simple tasks like creating a link but apparently isn't even capable of clicking on a link.

We already know that FU isn't capable of intelligent debate. He refuses to answer questions about his POV or even to clarify his often unintelligible comments.

FU, just what is your point in clogging up this thread? Just so that you can repeat your mantra of "the law is the law" so that other people, both for and against, can't have reasonable discussion?
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 2:45:10 AM

Phew!...Been gone for a few weeks,beginning of the school semester and had a ton of homework. Same old, same old, I see. I've recently seen on the local news that Houston's surrounding counties are having a hell of a time handling drug cartel folks growing acres of marijuana because its easier for them to escape into the surrounding vegetation than to smuggle it over the border. The local farmers and hunters are now having to exercise caution near their property because they have been stumbling upon these illegal growing fields and the fields are rampant with booby-traps and armed cartel members. Also, there has been a real stir for the passage of a sensible marijuana policy in Texas.
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 1:10:23 AM

fueluser10 - "rjhenn.. Some of the "Facts" that float around in this day and age live under the contrived premise that facts can be about as transparent as a lazy fog bank."

Not at all sure what that's supposed to mean, but that's typical of your 'facts'.
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2014 3:52:35 PM

"NO the nation as whole does not see it that way. Where is there any study or poll showing that the nation as whole see's it that way?"

Once again, FU, right here:

Marijuana Legalization Supported By A Growing Majority Of Americans, Survey Shows

"The survey, released last week from online polling data company CivicScience, asked more than 450,000 U.S. adults over the last two years this question: "Would you support or oppose a law in your state that would legalize, tax, and regulate marijuana like alcohol?"

Fifty-eight percent of respondents said they support marijuana legalization"
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2014 10:15:04 AM

FU " NO the nation as whole does not see it that way. Where is there any study or poll showing that the nation as whole see's it that way?"

You've been provided with polls several times that show that the majority of Americans favors legalization. They're easy to find online for anybody who actually wants to learn what's going on.

But as usual you refuse to look at anything that you don't already agree with.

FU "Some of the "Facts" that float around in this day and age live under the contrived premise that facts can be about as transparent as a lazy fog bank."

Yes, you do seem to favor that sort of "fact" don't you FU?

Why don't you try learning about REAL FACTS instead of the contrived ones?
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2014 9:57:20 AM

rjhenn.. Some of the "Facts" that float around in this day and age live under the contrived premise that facts can be about as transparent as a lazy fog bank.
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2014 6:06:54 PM

fueluser10 - "What you have available in this topic forum is a whole lot of persuading and influencing of a one sided opinion."

And then there's everyone else, who tend to argue with facts.
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2014 1:17:46 PM

SemiSteve: NO the nation as whole does not see it that way. Where is there any study or poll showing that the nation as whole see's it that way?
There isn't.. or someone in here who is pro cannabis would have posted that information in here with a quickness.
What you have available in this topic forum is a whole lot of persuading and influencing of a one sided opinion.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 10/4/2014 1:19:49 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2014 4:16:54 PM

Ahh, but Weaslespit. That would mean believing in their position and actually having something to support it with.

There's only one person I know of with such low self-esteem that they could carry on with absolute nonsense for years. It takes real talent to say nothing over such a long period of time.
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2014 3:52:29 PM

Hit and run by maryanne?

It would be nice if people would at least respond one time once the inaccuracies of what they posted were brought to light.

Especially when the same inaccurate, plagiarized material is posted.
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2014 2:57:03 PM

And, rjhenn, that works the other way around as well? That you will only do that of which others approve? That's essential for it to work, of course. One must always obey others, even if you know they are wrong.
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2014 2:20:53 PM

Because others are only supposed to do what you approve of?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2014 10:43:19 AM

My favorite line about homosexuality is that unless you want to have sex with a person, why would you care about their sexual orientation? The same, I guess, applies to marijuana. Why do you care what others do?
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2014 1:22:18 PM

Yes, it's very similar to the anti-homosexual people (sometimes the same people in fact) who assume that if you're in favor of same-sex marriage that you must also be homosexual.

It shows how poorly developed their reasoning skills are.

(But then you can also see the same people supporting creationism and religious dogma too, so there you go.)
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2014 1:14:55 PM

One thing that the anti-marijuana people tend to ignore is the fact that you can be in favor of legalizing marijuana without having any desire to use it yourself. The fact that marijuana is illegal has some very negative consequences for society that can be eliminated with legalization.
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2014 8:28:38 AM

Good for you malcm. And especially on the not smoking since yours was the generation when smoking was almost universal - especially among those old enough to be involved in WWII.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2014 8:31:52 PM

Legalized marijuana is what this nation feels is correct.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2014 7:22:03 PM

Habits? SMOKING? NO - never had the habit. Rec. drug use? NO, and I've managed, by example and otherwise, to keep pot and drugs out of the family usage. liquor? With a meal, sometimes a small sangria coffee? occasionally, but I've mostly switched to green tea. Feeling great as I approach 94. Let MJ
into a family and it's a foolish move!
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ldheinz “It reminds me of a marijuana study in chimpanzees that Reagan used to institute the "war on drugs". The study showed … the brain damage came from asphyxiation, not marijuana.”

Yes, a good reason why you should never accept the findings from a study if the study isn’t freely available.

Another similar story involves saccharin, which was banned in the 60’s because of carcinogenesis. My grandmother was furious because at the time it was the only artificial/diet sweetener on the market so she had to switch back to sugar or go without sweeteners (something she didn’t want to do).

Years later, after the market for artificial sweeteners had been filled by newcomers like aspartame, saccharin was quietly allowed for sale again. It turned out that the rats had been force-fed so much saccharin to make them get cancer that a human would have had to eat something like 250 or more pounds of it per day to get the same dose.

That's the sort of dishonest facts that some people use.

(Ever seen how GTH relies on the Regnerus study to make claims that the study in fact doesn't show?)
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maryanneusa “Clinical studies have proven that people who used marijuana several times a week found it almost impossible to quit. People who tried to stop smoking it reported feeling moody, tense, anxious and unable to sleep.”

Not only does that apply to tobacco as pointed out by Shockjock, it also applies to caffeine with the exception that they become unable to stay awake and alert without it.

maryanneusa “The drug sucks the life out of people.”

Like alcohol?

maryanneusa “Those who use it regularly are more likely to drop out of school, have accidents, quit jobs, lose interest in life and feel generally demotivated.”

Which came first? The chicken or the egg? Could it be that the type of person who’s a regular user of marijuana is also the type of person who has no interest in being part of the ‘establishment’ in the first place?

maryanneusa “Some studies also have linked pot to suicidal thoughts.”

As can legally prescribed antidepressants. Depressing, isn’t it?

maryanneusa “The National Institute on Drug Abuse notes that regular marijuana use can result in a 40 percent increased risk of psychosis, and the drug also can lead to schizophrenia, depression and anxiety disorders. So it sure looks like it can ruin your future.”

Actually, it sure looks like NIDA is following the law and exaggerating any supposed side effects while neglecting to mention the benefits.

Have you ever listened to the list of side effects for even the most commonly used over the counter drugs in pharmacies? They make this look like small potatoes. And yet there’s no movement to ban Aspirin, Tylenol, Nytol and all sorts of drugs that you undoubtedly have no problem with, even though each one of them can kill you.

maryanneusa “It should also come as no surprise that marijuana use among American teenagers is rising at an alarming rate—just as efforts to decriminalize it are accelerating.”

If you’ve been following this thread then you’d know that the best way to stop teenage use is to legalize marijuana and regulate it. Quite obviously if use is rising now, then keeping it illegal isn’t working.

maryanneusa “There has been an 80 percent increase in marijuana use among teens since 2008. Do you want your children to make good grades in school? Then you should know that one study proved that teens who smoked pot regularly lost as much as 8 points in their IQs—and they did not recover the intellectual ability when they became adults.”

One study out of how many? And where is this study? I’d like to see it to see if it is indeed a real study or something that somebody made up.

maryanneusa “Parents should also filter through the hype about how marijuana is “not that dangerous.” An article published last year in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology showed that adolescents who smoked pot were at risk of brain damage.”

Even more reason to legalize it then so that the criminal drug dealers who have no qualms about selling it to teens can be put out of business.

maryanneusa “And marijuana causes serious health problems. The main ingredient in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, has a powerful effect on the brain. Initially it creates in the user a sense of euphoria—the infamous “high” that includes bright colors, hallucinations and even laughter. But after the high comes a wave of anxiety, fear and depression. And memory can be affected permanently.”

You’re worried about something that creates laughter?

Sounds a lot like alcohol.

maryanneusa “But that’s not all. Smoking pot causes a 20 to 100 percent increase in a smoker’s heart rate.”

Sorry, I flat out do not believe that. 100 percent increase in heart rate would mean that somebody with a normal rate of around 72 bpm would go up to 144 bpm like a person running a mile and still be relaxed? This just not sound true.

maryanneusa “Some marijuana users are five times more likely to have a heart attack after they use it.”

Studies show that most heart attacks happen on Mondays. Maybe Mondays should be made illegal too.

maryanneusa “Pot is not good for the lungs either. One study found that smoking one joint gives as much exposure to cancer-causing chemicals as smoking five cigarettes.”

And the AVERAGE smoker might smoke a whole pack of 21 cigarettes in the time that a heavy user of marijuana smokes one.

So which is worse? And which is banned? Does that make any sense?

maryanneusa “And you can’t help but wonder how second-hand marijuana smoke will affect those of us who are breathing the nearby fumes.”

So prohibit smoking it in public places like bars, work places, public transit, etc. Gee, that sounds like a familiar solution from somewhere.

maryanneusa “Here's one for all the men, marijuana can ruin your sex life. Proponents of legalizing marijuana push the idea that pot is an aphrodisiac. But science tells another story. Men who smoke pot regularly can experience impotence as well as infertility. And some studies have found a link between marijuana use and an aggressive form of testicular cancer in young men.”

What happened to the freedom to make your own choices? If somebody doesn’t want children why should they be banned from using something that makes them infertile? It’s really not the government’s business to interfere.

maryanneusa “Not to mention that pot causes really bad breath. Marijuana is definitely not sexy!”

Nobody says you have to associate with marijuana smokers. Just leave them alone, don’t ban them.

maryanneusa “I should also mention that seven percent of drivers involved in accidents tested positive for THC in a recent survey. That’s because smoking weed impairs motor skills and increases the risk of car crashes.”

No, that’s because people test positive for THC metabolites up to a whole month after using marijuana. That means they can test positive long, long after any marijuana they smoked has no effect on their motor skills. If you tested ALL drivers, even those who never have a crash you’d get the same percentage of positive tests for THC metabolites.

And you can tell that it’s a phony stat because it says they “tested positive for THC”. The tests don’t tell how much THC is on board, they tell how much THC METABOLITES are on board. Not the same thing.

maryanneusa “So if marijuana use becomes widespread after its legalization, we need to be concerned about an increased number of drugged drivers on our roads. Welcome to America—land of the free, home of the stoned.”

Go check the traffic stats for the Netherlands, where marijuana has been legal for decades. Do they have excessive numbers of car crashes in comparison to the US? If not, then this is just hype and fear mongering with no basis in actual fact.
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 10:22:40 AM

BabeTruth - "I notice ldheinz, that in not one of those versions does it ever cite any actual studies from where it gets the 'facts' that it quotes."

Interesting, isn't it? It reminds me of a marijuana study in chimpanzees that Reagan used to institute the "war on drugs". The study showed severe brain damage in chimps that were given marijuana, but they wouldn't release the study details. After years of court battles, it was finally released that the marijuana was given by putting a mask on the chimps that forced them to breathe nothing but intense smoke, with little oxygen. The non-pot smoking chimps were allowed to breathe normally. Thus the brain damage came from asphyxiation, not marijuana.
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 9:14:06 AM

"Clinical studies have proven that people who used marijuana several times a week found it almost impossible to quit."

I think it's very well established that those who smoke cigarettes find it almost impossible to quit. So why should we treat marijuana any differently then we do tobacco?

"The National Institute on Drug Abuse notes that regular marijuana use can result in a 40 percent increased risk of psychosis, and the drug also can lead to schizophrenia, depression and anxiety disorders. So it sure looks like it can ruin your future"

I think you have been spending too much time watching that propaganda film "Reefer madness"...

"It should also come as no surprise that marijuana use among American teenagers is rising at an alarming rate"

What does this have to do with legalizing marijuana for ADULTS?

All of the effects that you mention in your unsubstantiated studies are seen in tobacco and alcohol use both which are legal, so why should marijuana be illegal?
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 10:55:03 PM

I notice ldheinz, that in not one of those versions does it ever cite any actual studies from where it gets the 'facts' that it quotes.

In contrast to the NORML articles which almost always provide links to real scientific studies to back up the claims that they make.

And yet our most prominent anti-marijuana activist sneers at NORML and accepts this sort of 'crap' wholeheartedly.

Hmmmmmmm.

And he/she/it thinks his/her/its POV is fair and balanced?
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 8:38:00 PM

Good point, rjhenn. I thought that it sounded familiar. I found edited versions of that speech here, here, here, here, here, and many other places. I think it may be the most plagiarized article that I've ever seen.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 7:36:39 PM

maryanneusa - Besides what ld said, site policy is that you don't post articles in their entirety, especially without any attribution. The proper thing to do is to post an excerpt and a link to the original article.

You should also make more of an effort to find reliable sources, since the article you cut and pasted has quite a few exaggerations and inaccuracies in it.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 6:16:41 PM

maryanneusa, have you ever tried to stop drinking coffee? The symptoms are much worse than you describe for coffee. Plus, I used to smoke marijuana heavily on a daily basis, and when I quit I experienced none of those symptoms. Coffee is clearly MUCH more dangerous than marijuana.

Also, you're new here, but we've discussed at length the fact that the NIDA is legally required to lie about marijuana to keep their funding, so they are hardly a reliable source.

maryanneusa - "It should also come as no surprise that marijuana use among American teenagers is rising at an alarming rate"

But drug use overall is decreasing significantly. Teenagers are just switching to a safer drug, that's all, despite government efforts to endanger their health and safety out of political expediency.

maryannusa - "And marijuana causes serious health problems. "

Actually, marijuana is the safest drug known to mankind. There has never in history been a single death from overdose on marijuana.

maryannusa - "The main ingredient in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, has a powerful effect on the brain."

That is because it is a chemical that is naturally produced by the human body for regulating body chemistry. That's probably why it is so safe.

maryannusa - "Initially it creates in the user a sense of euphoria—the infamous “high” that includes bright colors, hallucinations and even laughter. But after the high comes a wave of anxiety, fear and depression. And memory can be affected permanently."

So pot gets people high, and afterwards, they often can't remember what happened clearly because they were high? Is this unexpected? Isn't that WHY people take pot? Boy, did you see "Reefer Madness" too many times?

maryannusa - "Pot is not good for the lungs either. One study found that smoking one joint gives as much exposure to cancer-causing chemicals as smoking five cigarettes."

Again, you're new here, so you don't know that pot is regularly used to TREAT cancer, right? According to Wikipedia, "In in vivo studies with mice, the major psychoactive component in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol, has been shown to have anticarcinogenic activity." For references, follow the link.

maryannusa - "I should also mention that seven percent of drivers involved in accidents tested positive for THC in a recent survey. "

Actually, since people test positive for marijuana for up to a month after they have ceased being high from it, seven percent of ALL drivers probably test positive for marijuana. And there is no test for THC - only a test for the metabolites of THC, that happen only after the THC is no longer effecting the user. And again, since you're new here, you probably haven't read about the fact that states that legalize marijuana have experienced a significant reduction in traffic fatalities. Here's an article from the New York Times that discusses the positive effects of legalizing marijuana on traffic fatalities.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 5:17:56 PM

Clinical studies have proven that people who used marijuana several times a week found it almost impossible to quit. People who tried to stop smoking it reported feeling moody, tense, anxious and unable to sleep.

And, there is a reason marijuana addicts are sometimes called potheads. The drug sucks the life out of people. Those who use it regularly are more likely to drop out of school, have accidents, quit jobs, lose interest in life and feel generally demotivated. Some studies also have linked pot to suicidal thoughts. The National Institute on Drug Abuse notes that regular marijuana use can result in a 40 percent increased risk of psychosis, and the drug also can lead to schizophrenia, depression and anxiety disorders. So it sure looks like it can ruin your future.

It should also come as no surprise that marijuana use among American teenagers is rising at an alarming rate—just as efforts to decriminalize it are accelerating. There has been an 80 percent increase in marijuana use among teens since 2008. Do you want your children to make good grades in school? Then you should know that one study proved that teens who smoked pot regularly lost as much as 8 points in their IQs—and they did not recover the intellectual ability when they became adults.

Parents should also filter through the hype about how marijuana is “not that dangerous.” An article published last year in the journal Neuropsychopharmacology showed that adolescents who smoked pot were at risk of brain damage.

And marijuana causes serious health problems. The main ingredient in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, has a powerful effect on the brain. Initially it creates in the user a sense of euphoria—the infamous “high” that includes bright colors, hallucinations and even laughter. But after the high comes a wave of anxiety, fear and depression. And memory can be affected permanently.

But that’s not all. Smoking pot causes a 20 to 100 percent increase in a smoker’s heart rate. Some marijuana users are five times more likely to have a heart attack after they use it. Pot is not good for the lungs either. One study found that smoking one joint gives as much exposure to cancer-causing chemicals as smoking five cigarettes. (And you can’t help but wonder how second-hand marijuana smoke will affect those of us who are breathing the nearby fumes.)Here's one for all the men, marijuana can ruin your sex life. Proponents of legalizing marijuana push the idea that pot is an aphrodisiac. But science tells another story. Men who smoke pot regularly can experience impotence as well as infertility. And some studies have found a link between marijuana use and an aggressive form of testicular cancer in young men. Not to mention that pot causes really bad breath. Marijuana is definitely not sexy!

I should also mention that seven percent of drivers involved in accidents tested positive for THC in a recent survey. That’s because smoking weed impairs motor skills and increases the risk of car crashes. So if marijuana use becomes widespread after its legalization, we need to be concerned about an increased number of drugged drivers on our roads. Welcome to America—land of the free, home of the stoned.

Please spread the word. Marijuana is called a “weed” for a reason. It’s bad for kids. It’s bad for adults. When I look at the crazy laws being passed in the United States today, I can’t help but wonder what our leaders are smoking. But of course we have all heard of the "choom gang" and his "choom mobile". I guess you could say, he's for the weeds.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 4:39:46 PM

FU - "Do some adults not have an issue with someone else's kids getting high off of weed around them when they know its illegal to smoke the crap in the first place? Or are they hoping that the teenagers will smoke the weed and look the other way like maybe others do? What kind of a learning moment is that? "

Perhaps it's the kind of learning moment where kids learn that some people just don't interfere in things that are none of their business. That is certainly better than kids learning what the inside of a prison is like. And some people just never learn that laws against marijuana actually make it easier for kids to get it, even when they are repeatedly presented with formal studies proving that.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 3:43:50 PM

We seem to be faced with a set of problems, and LAWS to regulate each addition to our long list of "enjoyments". This includes cars, TV and movies, sports, food and liquor, tobacco, drugs and. of course, even sex - and birth!
So here we are faced with yet another enjoyment with potentially harmful side effects to some "over-users".
What to do? It's tricky. We've come to accept certain controls on the marketing of liquor and tobacco which has, to some extent, shown some benefits overall, although we've come to accept, also, the inevitable downside from these two elements. IIt seems, finally, that we can only hope that intelligence will come to play a major part.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 3:36:08 PM

fueluser10 - "rjhenn.. SOCIETY doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt from some who want to maybe ignore the law?"

How is continuing a law that has done nothing but harm society give SOCIETY "the benefit of doubt"?

"The federal law is wrong? And legalizing cannabis is going to right some 'wrongs?'"

Yep.

"Common sense is not mentally buying into what is verbally being sold for the sake of maintaining a questionable and controversial subject."

For you "common sense" simply means agreeing with what you want to believe.

"Maybe the majority sometimes sees what it wants to see.. and that's the only sight that is cared about."

Maybe you're only seeing what you want to see.

"Do some adults not have an issue with someone else's kids getting high off of weed around them when they know its illegal to smoke the crap in the first place?"

Which makes no sense. It's illegal now, for everyone, yet 'kids' can get as much as they want. It would still be illegal for kids if it was legalized for adults, and might be more difficult for kids to get.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 1:02:21 PM

Shockjock "Do you do this on purpose or do you not understand the difference?"

It's hard to say. Could somebody be this obtuse intentionally?

There are lots of people that each and every one of us disagree with on this forum but even if you think they're full of it most of them can put together coherent sentences and actually make some sort of argument to support their position.

This goes beyond anybody I've ever seen who's actually allowed a day pass to go out into the world on their own without an escort to make sure they don't hurt themselves and can find their way back to the home.

[Edited by: BabeTruth at 9/28/2014 1:06:22 PM EST]
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 12:55:01 PM

FU, some adults have an issue with Harry Potter and don't want their kids to be exposed to hearing other kids talk about reading the book. Other adults have an issue with teenagers wearing bikinis to the beach. Some aults even have an issue with women letting their hair and face be seen in public.

The point is, since I know you're not going to get it on your own, is that just because SOME people have an issue with something is no reason to pass a law to ban it.

There will always be somebody, somewhere who has an issue with each and every single thing you do. But we cannot live our lives kowtowing to each and every imagined issue of each and every person in the country. Passing laws prohibiting people from living their private lives as they wish just because YOU have an issue with it is wrong, wrong, WRONG and is totally against the freedoms that Americans fought for in one revolution and two world wars.

How is “if weed was legal then it would not be an issue” silly?

If marijauna was legal then the only issue would whether or not a teenager's parent told them not to use it. Am I right or am I wrong?

And if you think I'm wrong then say why.

Come on. Put your money where your mouth is! For once actually debate an issue and explain what the hell you're talking about instead of the CRAP that you constantly spew out like the drainage of a pig farm.

FU “Off topic with deeper reasoning: A majority scenario.. A bully beating up on a kid in school and his majority of followers watching him do it. The kid being outnumbered 5 to 1.
Yeah that speaks the same volume as well.”

Yeah, you're right. Like so many of your posts it's totally off topic and has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the thread. You complain about crap and then you post crap like that.

FU “You are the reverse psychology guru here.. or at-least in the top 4 I would surmise. You should be a mentality dentist. From you proverbial fingers being in my mouth, my mouth is somehow selling some BS POV.”

More crap from the world's leading authority on crap.

If you think my POV is BS then explain how. Of course you can't do it. You can't seem to explain ANY of your posts.

FU “THE PRO CANNABIS CROWD does not speak for me.”

Wow. There's a news flash!!!

FU “Somebody may want to rethink that nonsensical conclusion.”

Since nobody has ever claimed to speak for you (most I think would not want to be associated with you) then you're just posting more nonsensical crap of your own.
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 12:51:16 PM

"Do some adults not have an issue with someone else's kids getting high off of weed around them when they know its illegal to smoke the crap in the first place? Or are they hoping that the teenagers will smoke the weed and look the other way like maybe others do?"

Once again FU, you are confusing the legalization of Marijuana for adults with the continued illegal use of Marijuana by adolescents.

Do you do this on purpose or do you not understand the difference?
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 11:51:34 AM

Do some adults not have an issue with someone else's kids getting high off of weed around them when they know its illegal to smoke the crap in the first place? Or are they hoping that the teenagers will smoke the weed and look the other way like maybe others do?
What kind of a learning moment is that?
BT: Don't white wash it, lip service it, don't throw another study or poll at it. Maybe express some fairness for the kids. And not the silly, if weed was legal this would not be an issue crap.
Off topic with deeper reasoning: A majority scenario.. A bully beating up on a kid in school and his majority of followers watching him do it. The kid being outnumbered 5 to 1.
Yeah that speaks the same volume as well.
BT: You are the reverse psychology guru here.. or at-least in the top 4 I would surmise. You should be a mentality dentist. From you proverbial fingers being in my mouth, my mouth is somehow selling some BS POV.
THE PRO CANNABIS CROWD does not speak for me. Somebody may want to rethink that nonsensical conclusion.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 9/28/2014 11:56:34 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 28, 2014 12:46:40 AM

Every body has there own way of getting high flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2014 7:43:31 PM

There I just did the 5,000th post --- Whooopeeeeeee
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