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ldheinz

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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2010 5:17:33 AM

This topic is for a discussion on whether or not Marijuana should be legalized.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 3:11:39 PM

malcm - "Care to tell us, ldheinz, - with your tacit approval, what has been the eventual TJ usage of your family members? Generally speaking,is there a tendency to join in? "

Join in with what? My opinions? I've said several times that I don't typically smoke pot anymore.

SemiSteve - "Sounds like a chatbot talking... "

Yes, I think that the bot is back. Note how it doesn't respond to anything that we say.

[Edited by: ldheinz at 11/26/2014 3:12:52 PM EST]
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 2:18:02 PM

You're not the first one to wonder about that SemiSteve.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 1:30:04 PM

Sounds like a chatbot talking...
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 1:23:23 PM

FU “Words that get nearly abused in today's view of some words.

1) LOGIC – ok, why don’t you start using it?

2) COMMON SENSE – unless by “common sense” you mean “agrees with FU”, then it doesn’t seem like you use that either.

3) INTEGRITY – and just how do you figure that?

4) MORALS – I think keeping a law where people get killed because of the law is immoral. So is taxing people extra to pay for a failed war on drugs. So does keeping a law that creates a situation that makes it easier for kids to get marijuana than regulation would.
So far you’ve never come up with an answer to any of the above.

Seems like the moral choice is the opposite of yours.

5) SOME FEDERAL LAWS – so another way of saying “the law is the law” and therefore it can never be changed.

FU “Why are these words viewed in such ways?”

Perhaps because you so obviously don’t understand them?

FU “Some have even come to label these words as "placebo hindrances."

Never seen anybody use that term here. I’ve never seen anybody use that term anywhere. In fact I have no idea what it means. Is it something you just made up?ee

FU “For they do not "add" individual verbalized credibility to some who self create ideological dynamics for wanting something to be self serving in their favor.”

You claim that you write normal English and that you’re so easy to understand.

So why is it now that you’ve written two sentences in a row that I haven’t got a clue what you mean?

That’s following some words that you appear to be using incorrectly or have different meanings for than what the dictionary gives.
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:38:31 PM

FU, if people have been doing as you say for 2 generations, WHILE marijuana is against the law, what makes you think that keeping it against the law would make any difference?

You talk about rationale, so what’s your rationale?

Why do you think 50 years of something will suddenly change direction when the more time goes on the more it looks like marijuana WILL become legalized?

FU “Or one of these days we're going to change the federal law to have it see things the casual users way instead of society as a whole way of seeing things.”

Look around you. Open up your eyes. It’s already happening in several states.

FU “For one of these days we're going to figure out a develop a voice that SOCIETY will be slowly implied upon and will tolerate listening to because the internet will become our PROTEST and attitude expression device.”

Uh, that’s probably one of the biggest reasons that states are moving towards legalizing marijuana instead of away from it.

Is that the kind of being rational you're talking about?
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 12:04:09 PM

Words that get nearly abused in today's view of some words.
1) LOGIC
2) COMMON SENSE
3) INTEGRITY
4) MORALS
5) SOME FEDERAL LAWS
Why are these words viewed in such ways? Because some have expressed that these words
are somehow holding some people back.. but do not some people hold themselves back even without the use of the words?
(Some have even come to label these words as "placebo hindrances.")
For they do not "add" individual verbalized credibility to some who self create ideological dynamics for wanting something to be self serving in their favor.



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/26/2014 12:08:57 PM EST]
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 11:28:37 AM

BT: Lets apply 50 years of some adult rationales being applied and influenced upon teenagers maybe telling them to smoke their weed but don't get caught or go to a friends house where there are no adults around or maybe even go to a music concert and smoke the weed high up in the nose bleed seats?
The above scenarios has not been heard before or been utilized?
Or one of these days we're going to change the federal law to have it see things the casual users way instead of society as a whole way of seeing things.
For one of these days we're going to figure out a develop a voice that SOCIETY will be slowly implied upon and will tolerate listening to because the internet will become our PROTEST and attitude expression device.
Is that the kind of being rational you're talking about?

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/26/2014 11:38:20 AM EST]
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malcm
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 11:04:43 PM

Care to tell us, ldheinz, - with your tacit approval, what has been the eventual TJ usage of your family members? Generally speaking,is there a tendency to join in?
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 1:54:51 PM

"Congressional Research Service Publishes Report On Federal Government Taxing Marijuana"

Well imagine that.

But, of course, that would require taking a logical approach.

Obviously the big money; which relies on keeping cannabis illegal, is going to fight legalization at every level for as long as possible. Their goal will be to keep as many duped minions blurting nonsense as possible.

Such as saying it should remain illegal to keep it away from children; but then acknowledging that children have free access to it anyway under just such a system.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 6:12:45 PM

Congressional Research Service Publishes Report On Federal Government Taxing Marijuana

From the Link:

"CRS' economic analysis indicates that cannabis prices are likely to fall from today's prohibition-influenced prices of $200-$300 an ounce to as low $5-$18 ounce. Economic modeling based on a $40 billion annual cannabis market in the United States tests a $50 per ounce federal excise tax price point (generating nearly $7 billion in federal excise taxes)."

The only time I ever got someone to do a "spit take" was when I told my teenage daughter that the first pot I bought in college was an ounce of primo Vietnamese for $15.
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 9:49:20 AM

How would you know about being rational on this thread FU?

Have you ever tried it?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 6:04:07 PM

fueluser10 - "OMG, being rational in here with some people is like watching people driving their cars through an intersection after they granted themselves the right to do so."

Which, again, doesn't make any sense at all.
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 5:28:32 PM

BT: OMG, being rational in here with some people is like watching people driving their cars through an intersection after they granted themselves the right to do so. WHEN the stupid traffic light was RED when it should have been GREEN for the self granting driver?
Maybe banning the use of some traffic lights or stop signs might make driving easier and better for those who sometimes don't mind them in the first place right?

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/19/2014 5:31:47 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 5:14:35 PM

Another inane response that's only vaguely related to the topic of the thread.

Do you think activities such as you suggest happen spontaneously?

Of course you do since you think that there's somehow going to be a national vote on the issue without any of the states decriminalizing/legalizing it first.

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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 5:09:46 PM

BT: THEN go to Washington DC and protest before every Political Representative and express to them fully with your own mouth.. and not via the venue of a Topic Forum that they the "Political Representatives" are possibly holding YOU and some other's back?
The glorious use of the word STUPID.. shall I look the word up in the dictionary and share its definition with the rest of the topic forum participants?



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/19/2014 5:14:16 PM EST]
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 8:08:54 AM

FU, are you really so stupid that you don't understand that a law prohibiting something is, by definition, holding people back from doing it?

That's the whole purpose of prohibition laws.

As far as cursing, if they have been cursing at me, then yes, I have chastised them. That's personal attack.

But most people who curse on here, and they are few, are intelligent enough to know not make personal attacks. You, on the other hand...
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 5:59:58 AM

To the pro cannabis crowd. WHAT federal laws in this country are holding anybody back but themselves?
Man is very talented at holding himself back via a variety of things.
BT: I've seen others CUSS in here before.. have you gone and personally chastised them for THEIR choice of past used curse words? Seriously did you chastise them?

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/19/2014 6:05:15 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 1:01:05 AM

fueluser10 - "Why preach at me about the word debate in here when you'r really pushing an ideology in here and calling it a debate."

You appear to be the one pushing an ideology, with no facts to back it up.

"The mantra in here: Weed appears to come first and the law is wrong? Or am I wrong in my summation?"

Yes, you're wrong. As opposed to your "the law is the law and cannot be changed" nonsense, most of the others here appear to believe that the law is doing more harm than good and should be changed. That's both practical and reasonable.

You, OTOH, appear to believe that just because the law intends to ban marijuana, that it must actually be having that effect, even though you yourself keep giving examples that that just isn't so.
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BabeTruth - "If anybody can figure out what that last idiotic post was about could you please translate it into English so that the rest of us can laugh too?"

My guess is, assuming that it's not a bot, that someone is either not taking their meds or is taking too much of them.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 7:19:52 PM

"I do not subscribe to things that may hold life and people back from what is nature given."

Could have fooled me. Cannabis comes from nature and yet you want to hold people back from it.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 1:48:11 PM

That would be the logical thing to do.

But we can see that some people "seemingly" operate on "individual ideology" and not logic.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 1:42:01 PM

Decriminalize it tax it.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 1:05:02 PM

No FU. That you even implied a word that you felt had to be bleeped shows that you weren’t using manners. All you were doing by bleeping it out was avoiding censure from the mods.

As for “debate”, you’ve shown us time and time again that you’re totally ignorant of the meaning of the word.

I’m not pushing an ideology. I’m willing to actually debate the issue. You aren’t.

Evidence is in how you ignore everything that anybody else says and just keep repeating your nonsense as if it hasn’t already been proved wrong many times. You make no attempt to discuss the issue rationally, you just keep posting your mantra.

After 4 years you haven’t even been smart enough to figure out how to create a link, despite being given instructions several times.

Don’t give me any BS that it doesn’t work for you. It’s simple html and it’s (almost) self explanatory.

FU “The mantra in here: Weed appears to come first and the law is wrong? Or am I wrong in my summation?”

Of course you’re wrong. Nobody has said what you accuse us of. It’s something totally out of your own mind.

You seem to think that every law is right just because it’s the law. How stupid! Do you think the politicians who legislate laws are infallible gods? Do you think they never make mistakes, never use incorrect data, are never influenced by lobbyists of special interest groups? How naïve can you get?

FU “THAT right there is what the "Debate" in here is based on.”

And STILL you don’t have a clue what “debate” means. It doesn’t mean to just shout your opinion over and over again as you are wont to do. “Debate” means to participate in a back and forth discussion, to talk about the pros and cons of an issue and to actually defend your position, not just keep restating it even when it’s been shown to be wrong.

You don’t do any of those things. You have no idea about what debate actually is, so why should we think you have any idea about more complex topics that you think you know something about? (like what all parents want and what all teenagers think).
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 12:54:26 PM

"Why preach at me about the word debate in here when you'r really pushing an ideology in here and calling it a debate."

Hello, Pot...
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 12:49:32 PM

BT: I was using manners. Because I didn't use an actual curse word.
DEBATE.. That word that is actually treated with integrity away from how you and some others seemingly treat it in THIS topic forum.
Why preach at me about the word debate in here when you'r really pushing an ideology in here and calling it a debate.
The mantra in here: Weed appears to come first and the law is wrong? Or am I wrong in my summation?
THAT right there is what the "Debate" in here is based on.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/18/2014 12:50:47 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 11:45:22 AM

FU “Keep on with your individual ideology spreading for I'M SURE that someone is benefiting from it.”

It’s hardly “individual ideology” when it looks like everybody else on this thread is in general agreement with me. The one driven by individual ideology instead of facts appears to be you.

But of course, you refuse to benefit from any education because you’re totally convinced that you can never be wrong.

FU “I'm not speaking for anyone BUT myself..”

And yet you want to force your individual ideology on everybody else.

FU “.. you condescending "BLEP."”

My, my, my. Didn’t your mother teach you manners? Such childishness!

FU “You love the attention that the question of legalizing weed provides you for you feed off of the adoration big time.”

No, I think the one who loves attention is yourself. Otherwise, if you really wanted to debate you’d actually man-up enough to answer questions and respond like a reasonable adult instead of just repeating the same things over and over again that have already been refuted.

But hey, if you want to act like a child, nobody can stop you.

However, I’d prefer to actually discuss the issues instead of just expounding on a mantra as you do.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 11:16:51 AM

BT: Keep on with your individual ideology spreading for I'M SURE that someone is benefiting from it.
I'm not speaking for anyone BUT myself you condescending "BLEP."
You love the attention that the question of legalizing weed provides you for you feed off of the adoration big time.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/18/2014 11:18:12 AM EST]
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FU “Because when it comes to weed, some teenagers enabling other teenagers to have weed is a crap notion or some college students enabling the same.”

So what’s your point? Didn’t you know that teenagers stick together and help each other get what they want? And yet you “seemingly” think that you know all about teenagers and what motivates them.

Guess you’re wrong (again) huh.

FU “Its like taking a mental crap on the law.”

Passing bad laws tends to create that sort of situation.

FU “I am not hard to understand..”

You have a very fertile imagination too.

That explains why so many people don’t know what the hell it is you’re saying.

FU “.. but some will express their discourse when what they are hearing doesn't agree with their ideology sometimes.”

Now THAT sounds like you. “Damn the facts just express my ideology”.

FU “I'm a free thinker.”

You got the first part right.

FU “Life and kids come first without mans self created hindrances to those notions.”

There you going trying to speak for everybody in the country as if they all think exactly like you do. LOL, you don’t even have kids so again you don’t know what you’re talking about.

FU “I do not subscribe to things that may hold life and people back from what is nature given.”

Uh, in case you hadn’t noticed (what am I saying, of course you didn’t notice), marijuana IS “nature given”. It’s been used medicinally for at least 6,000 years.

But of course, that’s something that doesn’t agree with your ideology so you wish to make other people follow your ideology, not what they themselves would do.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 10:55:18 AM


Got news for some folks here, MJ plants grows wild, having been used for the making of rope it is all over, it dose not take a teen to enable another teen. All it takes is a little info from the internet.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 10:26:11 AM

Because when it comes to weed, some teenagers enabling other teenagers to have weed is a crap notion or some college students enabling the same.
Its like taking a mental crap on the law.
I am not hard to understand but some will express their discourse when what they are hearing doesn't agree with their ideology sometimes.
I'm a free thinker.. Life and kids come first without mans self created hindrances to those notions.
I do not subscribe to things that may hold life and people back from what is nature given.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/18/2014 10:32:37 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 10:11:19 AM

FU, what does your scatological reference have to do with this topic?
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 10:06:48 AM

This nothing but the randomness of cards blowing in the wind.
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 8:12:15 AM

If anybody can figure out what that last idiotic post was about could you please translate it into English so that the rest of us can laugh too?

It's hard to tell if it's about crap or if it just is crap.

[Edited by: BabeTruth at 11/18/2014 8:13:41 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2014 3:05:57 AM

rjhenn; Logic would dictate this observation. Going into a mans restroom to visually observe who doesn't flush their excrement away after using the same toilet bowl found in their OWN homes and not being lazy and not flushing it away.
That is silly laziness. YET this mentally occurring happening is an almost daily occurrence is it not?
Man is fraudulently talented at selling and pushing unto others with his own thought up ideological BS isn't he?
AVOID EDUCATION??? Tell me Professor RJHENN, what in the hell that hasn't been reiterated to the point of causing near mental starvation in some cases have I possibly missed that you could possibly educate me with that hasn't been Idheinz provided or provided by anyone else in this very topic forum who isn't pro cannabis?
You yearn for the attention.. the floor is anorexically yours.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/18/2014 3:07:43 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 2:24:32 PM

The words of the myth-holders are like a house of cards and the force of legalization is like a mighty wind.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 2:14:27 PM

fueluser10 - "Myth and fears are like crap, they are easy to verbally dispense."

And that seems to be just about all you do on this topic.

"But never do you see someone handing out rolls of ideology toilet paper to help some clean up the messes after ideologically soiling behind themselves now do you?"

Apparently we're back to Eliza posts.

"The rest of us are trying to educate ourselves and we get the first day of class over and over again for going on 6 years now."

That's because you, at least, are trying to avoid education.

Apparently quite successfully.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:19:39 PM

Cannabis Pharmacy, The Practical Guide to Medical Marijuana

Evidence-based information on using cannabis for ailments and conditions, plus a comprehensive guide to the most popular varietiesThe most comprehensive, easy-to-use book available on understanding and using medical marijuana There are currently 4.2 million medical cannabis patients in the United States, and there are 20 states plus the District of Columbia where medical cannabis is legal. As medical cannabis becomes an accepted herbal medicine, there is a demand for clear, easy-to-follow information for the layperson based on the latest sound medical and evidence-based research.
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10 Ways Pot Can Make You Healthier

A spate of recent studies on the efficacy of marijuana for various medical uses has confirmed what many people have known for thousands of years: that pot can help cure what ails you. “The biggest myth is that it’s dangerous..”

“It’s a notion, Backes says, that can be partly traced to the “Reefer Madness” era of the ’30s, which led to the American Medical Association’s losing bid to keep cannabis as part of the official US Pharmacopeia in 1942. And, although it’s now changing, because of shifting attitudes and laws (currently 22 states and D.C. allow medical marijuana), it’s been difficult to make studies happen. That’s partially because the only legal source of marijuana for research is the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which favors studies on the drug’s negative effects..”

The article then goes on to talk about 10 of the most common medical problems that marijuana can be used for.

Of course, those who have already made up their minds and don’t wish to be educated (gee, I wonder who that could be) and refuse to follow links to articles that might refute their long-held beliefs.

And of course those same people think that because there’s not a lot of studies proving the efficacy of marijuana in the 29 ailments and diseases that marijuana can help is “balanced reporting”, despite that NIDA intentionally obstructs studies that might show otherwise.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 12:02:36 PM

The idea that everyone who uses a drug abuses that drug is a myth.

In the case of cannabis, a relatively very few can possibly abuse it. This is because in the ultimate sense there has never been a recorded case of death caused by overdose.

It might be considered abuse if one uses it so much that it destroys their social life.

No doubt relationships have been ended because of it. But on the other hand many relationships were never begun because one of the persons sought another who also prefers to enjoy the drug and a potential other did not.

But the myth that users are automatically abusers needs to be dispelled.

Most cannabis users lead productive lives, have successful relationships, pay taxes, contribute to society and are trustworthy good neighbors.

There is a term for persons who have no control over alcohol. They are known as alcoholics.

But there is no corresponding term for an individual who has no control over cannabis use. Guess why?

Anyone who thinks all cannabis users are like the characters in a movie is taking their views from contrived entertainment, not real world facts.

Myths are difficult to eradicate. Some of the myths about marijuana have caused way more damage than the substance itself ever has.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 11:29:15 AM

Don’t kid yourself that you’re trying to educate yourself FU. The only one you’re fooling is yourself.

Educating yourself would include actually following the links that are posted. Looking at both sides of the issue not just the one that already agree with.

You “get the first day of class over and over again” because to date you haven’t shown any indication that you’ve graduated beyond that.

And the “self-contrived crap” still appears to be yours. I’m not going to repeat why because you weren’t able to understand it the first dozen times.

FU “Man abuses words to get what he wants or he is "influential and persuasive" with them.”

That does appear to be your modus operandi.

FU “Man doesn't abuse drugs, or alcohol or life sometimes in a formal setting?”

Your strawman. Nobody but you has made such a claim.

FU “So when it comes to polls and studies history itself has been inaccurate when it comes to its chronicling of weed?”

Somehow I think the PhDs and medical professors who do the studies I’ve posted know a little bit more about the subject than you ever will FU.

Your history has been PROVED to be wrong but you’re afraid to look at the reports that show it.

FU “Man is right via weed and history has gotten is wrong for the last few decades?”

So you think several trillion dollars spent on fighting a war against marijuana with no results to show other than that marijuana is even easier to get than it was a few decades ago is a win? You think several trillion dollars of lost tax revenue over those same few decades is a success? You think kids finding it easier to get weed than alcohol is a success? You think terminal patients dying in agony because they can’t get a simple treatment for their problems because of a stupid law that you support is a success?

Come on FU. You whine about responding yet you’ve never responded to any of those points. You cry about the lack of debate yet you won’t debate the issues.

Absolutely disgusting!
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 11:06:51 AM

Man abuses words to get what he wants or he is "influential and persuasive" with them. Man doesn't abuse drugs, or alcohol or life sometimes in a formal setting?
So when it comes to polls and studies history itself has been inaccurate when it comes to its chronicling of weed?
Man is right via weed and history has gotten is wrong for the last few decades?



[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/17/2014 11:08:25 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 10:51:06 AM

I feel like some come in here come just to be verbally talked at so how in the Hades is that form of thought sharing educational?
The pro cannabis side.. you all seem to lounge in self built recliners of self giving benefit of the doubt.
The rest of us are trying to educate ourselves and we get the first day of class over and over again for going on 6 years now.
Self contrived crap will BE as self contrived crap CAN get away with and that conversation is can of worms a few city blocks wide.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/17/2014 10:58:06 AM EST]
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 10:47:58 AM

FU “I state points of view and you call them non response?”

“Response” involves responding. You know, answering (responding) to questions and rebutting (responding) to points you disagree with.

You do neither.

FU “How self convenient that seems to be.”

Yes, it IS very convenient for you that you never bother to respond to anything that anybody else posts (other than to whine about it when you’re criticized for not doing it).

FU “I can read self contrived crap like anyone else can but you don't SEE me harping on them do you Sir?”

When you post something that you claim is from somewhere else but you neglect to accompany it with a link to the actual source, THAT is known as “self contrived crap”.

But of course that’s been pointed out to you dozens of times and yet you never respond to it with posting proof that you didn’t “self-contrive” it. You just whine about it that we don’t accept your word as proof and that we’re being so hard on you (and yet you have never yet accepted anything we’ve posted, even with links to the actual scientific studies). Kind of one-sided wouldn’t you say?
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BabeTruth
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 10:41:26 AM

No FU, the word ‘debate’ seems to stand on flimsy legs with regards to you, who apparently has no idea of the meaning of the word.

‘Debate’ doesn’t mean to just ignore what anybody else says and keep on repeating statements that have already been debunked. Nor does it mean to ignore any and all reasonable questions, especially ones asking for clarification of your points.

FU “When it comes to future weed using events.. could you verbally encourage every single casual weed user on how they should be and act and when they use weed? Man abuses alcohol and HE wont abuse weed?”

Strawman. Nobody other than yourself has made such a statement.

FU “(Man is addicted to many things.)”

“Seemingly” some are even addicted to making pointless, meaningless posts (just to see their name on the screen?)

FU “What study or poll can TRUMP what history written by mans very actions itself can prove otherwise???”

Can you provide one that proves your point?

No, I didn’t think so.

FU “Reality still awaits us no matter what the degree of indulgence we may numb our minds with at any given moment.”

One thing you have managed to prove over your years of posting here is that reality doesn’t impinge on the consciousness of everybody.

FU “Dude, there is underage drinking in college.”

Your point being…..?

FU “Do you want to discuss why students allegedly might be ENABLING other students to get drunk off their rear ends?”

Is there any point in trying to discuss anything with you? You never answer questions or participate in a give and take of ideas. ‘Discussion’ isn’t just presenting your own POV over and over again and ignoring what anybody else says.

FU “What is college hypothetically about.. carrying books for a class, going to class or maybe some of them, drinking beer and maybe getting high?”

I strongly question whether you have any idea what college is about, hypothetically or otherwise.
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 10:40:31 AM

Idheinz: I state points of view and you call them non response?
How self convenient that seems to be.
I can read self contrived crap like anyone else can but you don't SEE me harping on them do you Sir?
BT: the Straw-man crap? I was waiting on that. How many YEARS of man created history is there to fall back on? And we want to preach from the pages of polls and studies that are recent? STRAWMAN that logic.
The actuality is that History is mans very barometer of his choices good and back and sometimes majorly messed up.
Some studies and polls are created to placate to and caudal some POVS.

[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/17/2014 10:48:26 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 10:30:25 AM

FU - "BT.. The word DEBATE seems to stand on some rather flimsy legs given today's modern era. "

Then please start engaging in debate, rather than just repeating nonsense.

FU - "Then hearing about their weed usage in the news from time to time as the media provides? "

This is a sentence fragment, not a question. Please ask questions, as that's part of debate. Answering them is part of debate as well.

FU - "What study or poll can TRUMP what history written by mans very actions itself can prove otherwise???"

I don't know, and no one else can, either, as you provide no examples from which to respond.

FU - "Reality still awaits us no matter what the degree of indulgence we may numb our minds with at any given moment. "

You mean by reading nonsense, for example?

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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 10:11:19 AM

BT.. The word DEBATE seems to stand on some rather flimsy legs given today's modern era.
I look at things not just stated within the context of what is expressed in this singular topic forum but what is going on away from it as well.
When it comes to future weed using events.. could you verbally encourage every single casual weed user on how they should be and act and when they use weed? Man abuses alcohol and HE wont abuse weed? (Man is addicted to many things.)
What study or poll can TRUMP what history written by mans very actions itself can prove otherwise???
Reality still awaits us no matter what the degree of indulgence we may numb our minds with at any given moment.
SemiSteve: Dude, there is underage drinking in college. Do you want to discuss why students allegedly might be ENABLING other students to get drunk off their rear ends? What is college hypothetically about.. carrying books for a class, going to class or maybe some of them, drinking beer and maybe getting high?
Then hearing about their weed usage in the news from time to time as the media provides?
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 8:02:45 AM

No FU, you don't get it.

If you did get it, then you'd actually be debating the issue instead of just repeating your mantra of points that have been disproved. You'd be defending your POV instead of just ignoring everything that refutes it. You'd actually answer questions when asked directly of you or indirectly on the sort of things you say. And you wouldn't keep saying things that frankly make you look beyond merely simple in the head.

For instance, your most recent diatribe on drunk drivers has been refuted before. You haven't brought in anything to counter what's been said, you're just bringing in more anecdotal comments. You're just repeating what's already been gone over.

Do you have any proof that marijuana causes car accidents and that marijuana users go out and drive? Do you have any argument to justify prohibiting 330 million people for what just a handful does? Do you have any stats to show that prohibiting marijuana is actually stopping people from getting it?

Of course you don't. We've gone over all that before and the stats show that YOUR solution makes things worse. And you haven't even believed in your POV enough to try to defend it.

And on the few times you do rise up from your couch enough to respond to something that's been said what you post is so garbled that it doesn't even make sense.

[Edited by: BabeTruth at 11/17/2014 8:04:07 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 7:02:05 AM

Fueluser10, you are the one who needs to dispense with the myth that keeping cannabis illegal is any more effective than keeping alcohol illegal was.

Now I ask you this: When alcohol was illegal and people would go to places known as a 'speak-easy', which illegally served alcohol, what enforcement was there to prevent underage patrons from being served?
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fueluser10
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 2:39:28 AM

BT: I get it.. but I am not a subscriber to the seemingly religion like premise towards being pro cannabis in its ideological nature.


[Edited by: fueluser10 at 11/17/2014 2:44:02 AM EST]
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