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BlackGumTree

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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2010 7:12:40 AM

Greenhouse Gases are not the cause of Global Warming.

Disclaimer: The following articles are written in ENGLISH which is the primary language of the writers. As such you may notice that some words are spelled differently from what you would use, the use of some words may be unfamiliar to you, the denotations and connotations of words may be different. However, you should be able to understand what they have written over two years ago before this became a major issue in this country.

An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change

by Nigel Calder a highly respected scientist.

Scientists threatened for 'climate denial'

By Tom Harper. I don't know who this guy is.

This Thread is for posting dissent regarding Global Warming due to Green House Gases.
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 10:13:53 AM


NOAA climate 'science'

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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 9:42:38 AM

NOAA was also caught moving longstanding temperature stations to the roofs of office buildings next to A/C units a while back. I'll see if I can find the reference.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 8:37:19 AM

[L=http://climatedepot.com/a/19089/text deleted Hottest Year on Record?! Not by a long shot[/L]

"2012 Didn't Crack The Top Ten For Record Maximums: 'NOAA has inflated 2012 record maximum number by adding new stations which didn't exist during the hot years of 1930s'' -- 'That is a completely illegitimate approach. An apples to apples comparison uses only the same stations. When that is done, 2012 doesn't even crack the ten hottest years'

Feds caught altering past temperature data: NOAA claims 1998 was previous 'hottest on record' on record -- But in 1999, the same year was only the 5th warmest before 'adjustments' -- 'In an article which NASA published in 1999, Hansen showed that 1998 was only the fifth warmest year, after 1934, 1921, 1931 and 1953. In fact, 1998 was 0.6C cooler than 1934' -- 'Over the past decade, NASA and NOAA have continuously altered the temperature record to cool the past and warm the present. Their claims are straight out Orwell's 1984, and have nothing to do with science' "

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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 10:33:20 AM

Interesting article, LTVibe.

I also find it interesting that it's in Pravda, which is the source of one of my favorite articles on the subject, about how the Earth is on the brink of a new Ice Age. It includes many of the facts that I used to develop my own beliefs on the topic.
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LTVibe
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 10:16:16 AM


The view from Russia: Global warming, the tool of the West

"For years, the Elites of the West have cranked up the myth of Man Made Global Warming as a means first and foremost to control the lives and behaviors of their populations..."

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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:57:26 PM

ldh: "In science, anything can be questioned. "


Not if you want grant money.....


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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:52:21 PM

johnnyg1200 - "All government agencies need real oversight by elected officials and the government should never accept the idea that the “science is settled” because all it takes is one new incontinent fact and a whole theory goes down the tubes."

Actually, it was that "science is settled" attitude that enabled me to wise up. When I heard that, I started questioning their statements, because that's not how science works. In science, anything can be questioned.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 8:13:01 PM

johnnyg1200 it was only because AlBore rubbed blue mud in his bellybutton and mumbled some incantations that he made it possible to avoid the horrible effects of us radicals burning all that dirty carbon bearing fuel.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 7:49:22 PM

After last year’s record setting tornado season we had some members of the church of Man Made Global Warming attempting to make a connection between the high number of tornados and the hot summer we had. Some even tried to make a connection between the Joplin tornado and Global Warming. This year we where off to a record setting start in the first part of the tornado season and with more record heat it looked to another record setting year. For once the Global warning fanatics were correct. Only this time you won’t hear a word form them on this record setting tornado year. 2012 is on track to set a new record for the number of tornados since record keeping started. It was the year we saw the fewest number of tornados ever. In 2011 we had 1691 tornados and in an average year there are about 1200. For the year of 2012 at the end of November we are at 888 tornados for the year with December being one of months with the lowest number of tornados. The old record was 1987 with 1013.

Now if Global Warming is going to cause more extreme weather events, to include tornados, like some of the Man Made Global Warming alarmists claim, I would like one of them too please explain why with 2012 being one of the hottest summers on record we had the lowest number of tornados on record.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2012 10:55:50 AM

BlackGunTree; “”””Many of you probably do not remember it but Air Pollution and Smog used to be significant problems in the United States. One of the worse places was Pittsburgh.

But those problems have been addressed and corrected. We need to remain on alert to prevent pollution now and in the future.

We do not need false alarms from environmentalists in regard to pollution and/or Climate Change. We need to cope with the real problems of today, not the imagined catastrophes of agenda inspired idiots.”””

I reposted you complete statement because it is dead on the mark. At one time we had very real and very serious pollution problems, and it wasn’t just the air either. Gas station/repair shops would dump waste oil in a hole out back and Lake Michigan was a toxic dump. That on top of the air pollution we had in some of the larger cities we had done a good job of poising the environment.

The EPA was a very good and necessary agency at the time it was created. But like most government ideas it expanded past what it was meant to be. Now you can’t swing a dead cat without someone complaining that the dead cat may hit and kill an endangered fly and moving the cat carcass will prevent the maggots from having a place to feed.

But like the IRS, ADA, OSHA, and several other federal agencies the EPA has become a law unto itself with little or no oversight from the elected officials. They don’t create law they create regulations that don’t go through congress. Now that the very real and serious problems we had have been dealt with they have become agencies with a solutions looking for the problem to apply the solution to. This is what they have to do to justify their continued existents and growth.

When the ADA came into existence we all could agree that wheel chair access was a good thing and discrimination against the disabled who could do the job was unacceptable. I don’t think anyone would have agreed with creating the ADA if we had known that a trucking company would be required to provide a special truck for a driver that was massively over weight. The idea of “reasonable accommodation” has gone beyond insane.

Likewise I don’t think the EPA would have come into existence if we had known that the EPA would have the ability to shut down a large part of the electrical production in the U.S. without congress having a real say in the matter or impose CAFÉ standard unilaterally.

All government agencies need real oversight by elected officials and the government should never accept the idea that the “science is settled” because all it takes is one new incontinent fact and a whole theory goes down the tubes.


[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 11/23/2012 11:00:44 AM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 10:22:32 PM

ih: " It always has been since the birth of the environmental movement and the creations of environmental regulations that strangle the progression of business. "


Yes, capitalism is the enemy, socialism is the goal, and environmentalism is the tool meant to destroy the enemy and achieve the goal.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 11/22/2012 10:24:48 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 3:33:42 PM

ldheinz: "Rivers just don't catch fire anymore."

Watch it. That was *my* river! :-)
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 3:26:18 PM

Good point, BlackGumTree. The pollution of 50 years ago was vastly worse than it is today. Rivers just don't catch fire anymore.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 9:39:13 AM

Many of you probably do not remember it but Air Pollution and Smog used to be significant problems in the United States. One of the worse places was Pittsburgh.

But those problems have been addressed and corrected. We need to remain on alert to prevent pollution now and in the future.

We do not need false alarms from environmentalists in regard to pollution and/or Climate Change. We need to cope with the real problems of today, not the imagined catastrophes of agenda inspired idiots.
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 12:51:47 AM

Global warming is just a political ploy to further an agenda of socialism. It always has been since the birth of the environmental movement and the creations of environmental regulations that strangle the progression of business.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2012 12:35:29 AM

Just a couple months ago a fire tornado filmed in the Australian Outback by filmmaker Chris Tangey. Now, Al Gore wants to use the stunning footage in his next documentary about climate change, but Tangey says not so fast. The interview with Chris Tangey is great to read.
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Remember That ‘Firenado’? The Guy Behind the Footage Says Al Gore Wants to Use It — And Wait Until You Hear the Response
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 10:15:50 AM

oilpan4 - "According to steve we are the deniers, he will not even entertain the idea of prehuman climate change and prehuman higher CO2 levels. "

As long as I'm going to be called a "denier", I think I'll refer to them as "panicers". Kind of like the pro-choice, pro-life terminology, you know? I like to refer to those people as anti-life and anti-choice, BTW.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:52:32 PM

evidently, steve doesn't know what a true emergency is. The true emergency, is obama being re elected, and it will get much worse.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:45:17 PM

"Why does the left think that the Earth's climate never changes, in defiance of the evidence"?

According to steve we are the deniers, he will not even entertain the idea of prehuman climate change and prehuman higher CO2 levels.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 1:02:47 PM

Flyboy, Joe B. is absolutely right, and it's not just his opinion.

Satellite data--from NASA GIS, RSS, HadCrut -- all show the globe has cooled over the last 10 years--not risen. Only UAH shows a flat global temp over the last decade, but not rising (well, 3/100 of one degree in the last 10 yrs).

Obama lied through his teeth yesterday when he made the preposterous claim that is worse now than the predictions from 10 years ago. The predictions were for *accelerated warming*--not for a cooling planet. All the predictions were wrong. ALL of them.

But, Obama's EPA regs are in place. His job is done. Steve and the rest of fascists won--three years ago. They won. Even Steve isn't aware that they already won.

Most people are not even aware of this; they're not aware of what awaits us. They will--as the staggered restrictions begin with shuttering power plants around the corner. New builds have already been stopped in their development stages.

It is a crying shame. And, I'm as mad as hell.

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/15/2012 1:07:50 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 12:30:49 PM

Another view of the issue
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>>>First, I would like to point out that it is refreshing to see the President discard some of the hysteria surrounding Hurricane Sandy and its link to global warming. Anthropogenic global warming activists will attribute every extreme weather event to global warming, which has now been termed “climate change” since the earth has stopped warming, which leads us to the next issue with the President’s comments.

Not only are temperatures not increasing faster than was predicted ten years ago, temperatures have not increased at all since the late 1990’s.


Furthermore, when you compare the observed temperatures of the past 10 years against all the climate model predictions, the result should do more than raise eyebrows about how much tax-payer money is being wasted on climate science that is proving to be wrong.


Before we make carbon policy that can hurt our already struggling economy, there needs to be an unbiased debate about what is actually driving our climate.<<<

The only real emergency is the loony glowbull warmers who want to gut our economy for nothing.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 12:22:11 PM

Global warming has been a massive hoax, just a way for certain insiders to make money. AlGore's "Inconvenient Truth" had to be revised because of fraudulent data.

To the extent there IS climate change, it is not anthropogenic. Rather, it correlates to sunspots, not industrialization. Yet it remains an article of faith for Semisteve and other denizens of the Left. To deny it is for the Left what denying Christ's divinity is for the Christians--heresy.

A recent finding, from the Daily Mail (UK)

"Global Warming Stopped 16 Years Ago
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 12:17:58 PM

mini: "They want even more destruction. "


The destruction they seek is that of capitalism.



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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 12:14:14 PM

Hey - when the battle is to save the earth from its inhabitants, what harm is a little collateral damage on the periphery?
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 11:50:44 AM

People like SS are not satisfied that Obama's EPA regulations will be shuttering coal-fired power plants and that electricity rates will be skyrocketing in the next few years. They want even more destruction.
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 11:09:22 AM

SemiSteve - "What part of E-M-E-R-G-E-N-C-Y does the right not understand?"

But just lying and SAYING that there's an emergency when there isn't one is grossly irresponsible. It ends up with society wasting money on useless things when we need that money for REAL problems.

Why does the left think that the Earth's climate never changes, in defiance of the evidence?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:34:56 PM

SS: "Drilling, pumping, digging, blasting, burning = rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic."


In once sense you are right about us being on the Titanic. We are on the fiscal Titanic, and as we continue to spend half again what we take in, the economy is sure to hit an iceberg and sink. But hey, you should like that because the amount of CO2 produced will be drastically reduced as economies collapse.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 11/14/2012 6:36:36 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2012 6:09:29 PM

"What part of E-M-E-R-G-E-N-C-Y does the right not understand"?

Can't you see this poor guy is really panicking.
HAhahahaha!!!
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 7:59:04 PM

As Rome rose to predominance, the planet was entering a warming period like now. The Romans conquered Britain, and due to the warmer weather, grew wine grapes (the Romans loved their wine).

When the warming period ended, northern tribes moved south due to the inability to grow native crops. People from Saxony and other northern German tribes migrated to Britain. And wine had to be imported through trading centers like Tinatagel (the legendary birthplace of Kin Arthur). Britains drank beer and mead.

And the dark ages remained in place until the end of the ninth century. And the "High Middle Ages began. Things warmed up, swamps dried up, people had enough food, and disease waned. And Britain again developed a wine industry. In fact, it almost caused a war between France and England. The wealthy winery owners petitioned the king to put an embargo on English wine.

Then the thirteenth century came along, and it got cold again. People began to starve as crops could not grow in the colder climate. The weakened populace were easy prey for the plague. And again, the wine stopped flowing. People began to drink alcohol from grains again. But this time, a new science that preceded chemistry was in play, and the drink became harder. Scotch was made in one of the coldest and most inhospitable places in Britain.

By the second half of the nineteenth century, the place began to warm up again. But by then, science and industry had solve the problems of dealing with the cold climate. Crops grew in the upper half oh Europe, Russia, the USA. The whole world had adapted this time.

So here we are. We are set up for a colder climate, and it is warming up again. And are we getting set up to adapt to it? NO! We are stupidly arguing about whether it is caused by industry, volcanoes, the sun or Rush Limbaugh's hot air. Instead of preparing, we are ignoring.

Hell's a coming, folks. Europe, Russia, Japan, China and Australia are not arguing. They are investing and doing something about it. While we whine about political garbage, the rest of the world is pulling even further ahead of us. And when our crops fail due to drought, our forests are eaten by beetles, our ocean front industries are getting clobbered by storms, we will still be whining about whos fault it is. And will probably wind up begging for relief from the countries that are planning now.

Oh, by the way, as of 2007, England is making wine again. Go buy a bottle and forget about what is happening.
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 5:31:49 PM

What part of E-M-E-R-G-E-N-C-Y does the right not understand?

Drilling, pumping, digging, blasting, burning = rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Why don't we just pull back over to that iceberg, toss a few cargo nets over it and unload all the people until the Carpathia gets here?

While there are still any icebergs left.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 4:40:12 PM

mudtoe, either way, the leftists have wanted to close down the factories and powerplants.
So, whether you leftists are swimming upstream or downstream, you're still all wet!
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 4:37:08 PM

ldh: "Then again, who knows? Maybe if we increase our current Co2 production by a factor of 10 we can save civilization! "


If the left thought they could somehow grow government, taxes, and gain more control over capitalism by adopting that philosophy, they would do it in a heartbeat. Actually, they sort of tried that in the 1970s when fashionable liberals believed smog and soot from capitalism was going to block out the sun and put us into the deep freeze. Twenty years later they did an abrupt 180 and decided that capitalism was going to fry the planet instead.


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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2012 4:15:24 PM

ministorage - "It doesn't look like CO2 has the radiative forcing to save us from the next ice age."

Then again, who knows? Maybe if we increase our current Co2 production by a factor of 10 we can save civilization! ;-)
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mudtoe: "Earth has been mostly in an ice age for the past couple million years, with short interglacial warm periods in between. These warm periods last on average about 12,000 years give or take a couple thousand. The current interglacial period is a little over 11,000 years old, so it's getting long in the tooth as these things go."

Right. It doesn't look like CO2 has the radiative forcing to save us from the next ice age. Earth's atmosphere hasn't been holding in any extra heat yet--the hotspot is missing, heat continues to escape into space. So as we head further into this next elliptical phase, it looks like earth will indeed be moving back into the next ice age.

As a rise of the global temperature continues to wane, I fully expect to see more non sequitur research papers like Franzén et al., (below).

IMHO
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2012 10:52:16 AM

mudtoe - "Earth has been mostly in an ice age for the past couple million years, with short interglacial warm periods in between. These warm periods last on average about 12,000 years give or take a couple thousand. The current interglacial period is a little over 11,000 years old, so it's getting long in the tooth as these things go."

That's what the ice core data from Antarctica shows, too.

Interestingly, that coincides with the orbital eccentricity cycle of Milankovitch Cycles, too.

[Edited by: ldheinz at 11/12/2012 10:56:05 AM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2012 10:30:31 AM

mini: "Simply put, we may very well be at the tail end of a warm phase, and/or the very beginning of a long cold phase. "


Earth has been mostly in an ice age for the past couple million years, with short interglacial warm periods in between. These warm periods last on average about 12,000 years give or take a couple thousand. The current interglacial period is a little over 11,000 years old, so it's getting long in the tooth as these things go.


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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2012 8:24:28 AM

And now, for something completely different...

New paper suggests that CO2 ‘…could prove to be our salvation from the next ice age’

“We are probably entering a new ice age right now. However, we’re not noticing it due to the effects of carbon dioxide”, says researcher Professor Lars Franzén.

“Our calculations show that the peatlands could contribute towards global cooling equivalent to five watts per square metre. There is a great deal of evidence to suggest that we are near the end of the current interglacial.”

:-O

This is basically the same thing I've been suggesting may be happening for a few years now, since I've been studying this stuff (but without the crumbling CO2 warming fantasy included) --empirical data show excess heat escaping into space as always.

Simply put, we may very well be at the tail end of a warm phase, and/or the very beginning of a long cold phase.

IMHO

[Edited by: ministorage at 11/12/2012 8:30:30 AM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 10:43:46 PM

Contrary to every global warming prediction...

Rutgers University Climate Lab data report that since 1967, winter snowpack has been increasing in the northern hemisphere, with three of the four snowiest winters occurring during the last five years. Two years ago, there was snow simultaneously in 49 out of 50 states.

Must be "Climate Change."
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 9:41:49 PM

I got out the pencile the other day. The entire volume of fuel used on the entire planet for transportation fits into a 5,000 foot cube. That's about the size of a speck of dandruff on an adult's shoulder. Now if you take all that fuel and compare it to the naturally produced "greenhouse gasses" on the entire earth, it amounts to 7/10,000ths of a percent. In a dynamic system, like the earth's, does it even sound rational, or even sane, that this fraction of hydrocarbon recycled into the system is significant?
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2012 7:20:26 PM

EPIC Data Tampering At National Climatic Data Center

1921 was cooled by 2 degrees to make later years look hotter.

"The US government has beaten and abused the US historical temperature beyond recognition."
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 4:33:14 PM

I guess he's just too used to making up his facts...
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2012 9:25:29 AM

From the Washington Examiner
(This is not on-line yet at the time of this posting)

Dim Bulb of the week
. Who: Penn State University meteorology professor Michael Mann
. What: In court papers suing National Review for libel, Mann claims he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
. Why it's dim: According to the Norwegian Nobel Committee, Mann was never awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, for which he served as one of several hundred editors, was.
. Cure: If you're going to sue someone for making stuff up, don't make stuff up in your court filings.

[Edited by: BlackGumTree at 10/28/2012 9:26:58 AM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 9:49:44 PM

Here's another interesting bit of factual data: No change in world temperature since 1997. It's just another one of those inconvenient facts that keep getting in the way of the warmers' agenda.


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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 5:47:55 PM

<<<But we already knew this, didn't we?>>>

For the open minded... yes.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 12:28:32 PM

"And they're still pushing this "Carbon Credits" scam"

Where? I want to see this.
Last I saw the chicago carbon credit exchange, the back bone of the carbon credit scam pulled an enron and went down in flames.
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 11:39:39 AM


ldheinz, "Maybe it has something to do with it being summer at the north pole and winter at the south pole. Just a guess..."

Maybe there is a net global change and maybe there is not. Maybe this is normal variation and maybe is it not.

From the article in the OP which states:

"Timothy Ball, a former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg in Canada, has received five deaths threats by email since raising concerns about the degree to which man was affecting climate change. One of the emails warned that, if he continued to speak out, he would not live to see further global warming.

'Western governments have pumped billions of dollars into careers and institutes and they feel threatened,' said the professor. 'I can tolerate being called a sceptic because all scientists should be sceptics, but then they started calling us deniers, with all the connotations of the Holocaust. That is an obscenity. It has got really nasty and personal'."

it would not appear that the facts have any place in the AGW argument.

But we already knew this, didn't we?


[Edited by: Panama19 at 9/27/2012 11:40:32 AM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 11:34:29 AM

And they're still pushing this "Carbon Credits" scam
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 11:32:09 AM

ld - that's when I am in agreement that there is global warming. It happens every summer!
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 11:19:01 AM

I75at7AM - "While Mother Jones reports that Arctic Sea Ice Shrinks to Smallest Extent Ever Recorded (for the 30 years we have measurments...)
at the same time' Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record for the most extent of ice at this time of year."

Maybe it has something to do with it being summer at the north pole and winter at the south pole. Just a guess...
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 10:41:58 AM

oilpan: "Thats a joke, not a sample size. "


It fits right in because AGW is a joke too as far as science goes. Unfortunately it's not a joke when you look at how close the left has come to obtaining absolute power through this scam.


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