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btc1

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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2009 7:19:21 PM

US Politics Cafe? What does that mean? Well, I email the GM Mod and asked if we could continue to have a place where we could discuss, amongst ourselves, the problems that crop up time to time here on the US Politics Forum. The previous post that was locked yesterday had sort of turned into this. And as a place where we could converse with each other without the pretense of hard left or hard right positions interfering with our communication and the good friends we have developed on both sides of the fence.

The GM thought this might be a good idea and approved it today.

So here we go. We have a place to try to work out angst, or just visit amongst ourselves and JOKE around with friends. The Cafe' is now open for us. We just need to keep everything here civil. Can I set your drinks up for you, Buddy? What will you have? Cheers!
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 3:37:38 PM

"I thought it was an interesting and legitimate topic for discussion."

It was--"was" being the operative word. It is time to close the rabbit hole by NOT posting any more.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 3:24:36 PM

SGM it is a good topic but I think that it could be split - it seems there are two issues in it. The first being that the rancher is breaking the law by not paying his fees, by trespassing on Federal govt land for years without permission and for refusing to obey a court judgement/order.

The second issue I see in that topic/subject is the methods used by both the govt and the opponents to make their points. Why did the govt do what it did? Why did the protestors respond as they did?

Lots of good questions SGM - it was a good topic - it is unfortunate that there seems to be a few who just want to pick a fight and have destroyed what could be a good discussion.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 3:10:36 PM

"If you want to talk about the WAY people are arguing, then by all means, do so here."


There's nothing really to discuss. The topic went downhill pretty quick and people who used to argue against the things taking place down there are now all in support of them; and then there's the bringing up everyting under the sun that has nothing to do with anything and lastly, its gotten quite acrimonous in there too. I'm surprised that nobody has been banned...

As for me, I made my position clear in there, so I just peruse it to see how low can they go (which is par for the course on many threads these days). LOL, SMH

On the lighter side of things, I've hit 800 consecutive days posting prices, which I'm proud of (since I USED to be notorious for not posting prices)...*ROTFL*

Next up, batting 1,000! *wink*
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 2:59:47 PM

"I think you are getting pretty close to the former."


Maybe close, but not over the line.

I'll just remember all those arguments in that thread, the next time they change positions and argue against their new found positions...

*ROTFL*
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 2:41:21 PM

I made a very few comments in there but realized it was going totally downhill so walked away. Interesting that it went unnoticed that I totally agreed with mudtoe, a rare event. Mudtoe seemed to have washed his hands of it as well as I didn't see him back in there and it appears he never noticed that I acknowledged his very astute point. Didn't matter much. It quickly scrolled off under the strain of all the petty garbage. I was impressed that he recognized early on it had become a sensationalist topic.

sgm, I think it was a valid topic at first so don't feel too bad. I've authored more than one I wished I could just end. Many times I have wondered if it would be useful to have the ability to change a topic title.

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 4/24/2014 2:42:24 PM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 2:41:02 PM

Ok, this is the cafe--let's not carry over the actual discussion of a topic into this thread. If you want to talk about the substance of the Bundy business, do it in that thread or start a new one.

If you want to talk about the WAY people are arguing, then by all means, do so here.

I think you are getting pretty close to the former.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 2:23:07 PM

"It seems to include a lot of race-baiting. Do you enjoy that too?"


Um, the race-baiting is a new twist over the last day or so...and all it is is a diversion from the fact that the moocher refuses to pay what he owes and is inciting violence against federal agents.

Regardless of what turns and diversions keep being introduced, the FACTS of that case have not changed.






"The American Revolution was an illegal act. "

What's deplorable is trying to compare, intimate or imply that a moocher's refusal to pay what HE says he owes the government is somehow equivalent to the formation of this country.

[Edited by: RNorm at 4/24/2014 2:24:49 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 2:19:06 PM

sgm: "I thought it was an interesting and legitimate topic for discussion. Little did I know that it would become the site of abuse."

It is not your fault. What has been happening is deplorable.

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/24/2014 2:19:45 PM EST]
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 2:14:31 PM

RNorm: "Oh, I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed that topic."

It seems to include a lot of race-baiting. Do you enjoy that too?

The American Revolution was an illegal act.

[Edited by: ministorage at 4/24/2014 2:18:51 PM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 2:14:16 PM

<<That particular topic was nothing but a sensationalist outshoot from our shameless commercial media which, as we all know, is adept at taking the most inane and non-important stories and milking them for all the advertising they can sell.>>

I thought it was an interesting and legitimate topic for discussion. Little did I know that it would become the site of abuse.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 2:00:18 PM

"I never checked that topic for a couple weeks, as what was happening on a Nevada ranch didn't seem remotely relevant to me. After I finally looked, it seemed like nothing but a flame war, with a mix of the usual disingenous us vs. them nonsense."


Oh, I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed that topic. Watching people who USED to be all about law and order defending someone breaking the law...and cracking up over people who daily demonized people on welfare as moochers make excuses for a conservative moocher who has also threatened violence against federal agents.

It has CLEARLY shown that for some folks, its the politics and not the issue that's most important...not that I didn't already know that, but its a crackup to see people argue against their OWN former positions...

*ROTFL*
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 1:48:52 PM

Jay dont you haneste nihongo - understand or speak Japanese?
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 12:42:45 PM

"I am shocked that some of our usually reasonable posters are stooping to the level of the troll who has taken over that topic. "

I'm surprised the troll hasn't been banned, but then I was surprised when other trolls were allowed to return, and it would seem anything goes in the forum at this point.

I never checked that topic for a couple weeks, as what was happening on a Nevada ranch didn't seem remotely relevant to me. After I finally looked, it seemed like nothing but a flame war, with a mix of the usual disingenous us vs. them nonsense.

[Edited by: Zimcity at 4/24/2014 12:44:57 PM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 12:32:13 PM

"At the end of the day, does it really make a hill of beans difference if we find out what immaturity Miley Cyrus is up to?"

Who?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 12:29:48 PM

Agree. I have added two such recent trolls to my ignore list as I have concluded they have nothing to say which interests me. That particular topic was nothing but a sensationalist outshoot from our shameless commercial media which, as we all know, is adept at taking the most inane and non-important stories and milking them for all the advertising they can sell.

At the end of the day, does it really make a hill of beans difference if we find out what immaturity Miley Cyrus is up to?
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 12:25:15 PM

There is a "Nevada" topic that continues to ride to the top of the US Politics page that has become so hate filled that I refuse to POST to it. I am shocked that some of our usually reasonable posters are stooping to the level of the troll who has taken over that topic. I am sure he is very pleased to have sucked you in.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 12:18:51 PM

"Ohio gozanimatsu"

Where in Ohio is that town?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 11:18:15 AM

Ohio gozanimatsu
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 10:18:05 AM

AFS, the Dodgers have one more tonight against your Phils. Hoping to get a split.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 10:10:44 AM

Morning...

Jay, your Dodgers pulled one out of that series. It was Hamels first start for the year...hopefully he will get stronger.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 9:59:50 AM

Morning all!
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btc1
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 9:06:57 AM

Buen Dias!
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 8:53:08 AM

Good morning, everyone.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 8:23:48 AM

Good morning.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 7:09:21 AM

Morning all. So Happy It's Thursday.

Wow. Look at all the posts overnight. Glad to miss all of that.

So nice to sleep well.

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 4/24/2014 7:12:51 AM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 6:52:27 AM



Good morning, everyone!

Have a great day.

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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 10:57:40 AM



Good morning everyone!

Rain the next couple days.

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 10:17:12 AM

"Lead man in a platoon sized search and destroy mission."

A smart enemy would let the lead man go by and ambush the entire squad. That is exactly what the insurgents learned in Iraq. If they took out the lead Hummer they got the full force of the rest of the convoy. However if they let a few vehicles pass and hit the middle with an IED our convoy was then cut in half. We learned quickly though to keep moving forward and let the rest of the convoy pick up those from the vehicle hit...go down the road and regroup and come back and assault the area.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 9:46:29 AM

Morning all!
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 9:42:02 AM

"The toughest and most stressful job is not listed."

Almost correct.

Point man on a squad.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 9:37:21 AM

The toughest and most stressful job is not listed.

Lead man in a platoon sized search and destroy mission.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 9:17:27 AM

LOL! teacher tim, I learned quickly to let plywood go in the wind! You would probably be surprised how windy it is here in Lexington. The city sits upon a plateau and gets a lot of up drafting on the west side. Glider pilots trained here during WWII.

Good morning! Welcome to today! Enjoy.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 8:56:39 AM

lol, yeah reb, swingin' a 20 oz. all day will get ya! Seen experienced roofers and carpenters using those and burying 16d nails with one swing. used to have ten nail challenges for my wood shop [drive ten 8d nails into two 2x4's in the fastest time. They'd keep challenging each other then come in whining the next day, lol.

I believe that about roofing being dangerous, had a contractor break his back when the wind cought the plywood he was holding... three floors up.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 8:47:25 AM

Morning all,

AS for those jobs, just quickly going through them, I've done most of those tasks... More dangerously since I was not "trained" and did them for no pay (did so as a verified amateur)...

Roofing was the toughest though... Especially back before powered nail guns... (sigh)... My carpenter father in law took my hammer and gave me a lighter one and said he didn't want me not able to work the next day...
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 8:25:32 AM

Good Morning. Be safe.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 8:07:52 AM

At different points in my life, I've worked three of those 15 jobs.

Teaching is much safer, but more stressful. Teachers rank 2nd for alcoholism... right behind surgeons.

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 4/23/2014 8:08:12 AM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 8:04:13 AM

Good Morning, all!

This new crew member may help the Deadliest Catch ratings, lol!
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 7:11:46 AM

15 most dangerous jobs
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 7:00:54 AM

Happy hump day, gang!
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 12:58:40 AM

Fly, watching the show right now. Yes, hard to believe it has been 10 seasons!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 11:12:54 PM

Just got done watching Deadliest Catch for three hours - its hard to think I have been watching them for ten years - time flies when your having fun.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:54:29 PM

Happy Earth Day all!
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 10:12:58 AM

Good morning, everyone.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 10:03:33 AM

Good morning folks....

Jay...Go Phils! Cliff Lee was simply amazing last night.

Got most of my garden planted last night. 3-types of tomatoes, 3 types of cucumbers, squash, zucchini, bell pepper, banana pepper, jalapenos...still need to put in my okra tonight if the rain holds out.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 9:59:34 AM



Good morning everyone!

Beautiful blue sky and sunshine.

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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 9:32:27 AM

Morning all!
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:20:40 AM

Morning this fine Day, with the wonder of the Creation....

TeacherTim, reminds me of an early morning sales call heading into the city and seeing the beautiful morning when I was with a Sales Manager and salesman going for a call... Sales Manager commented about the beauty and the Salesman sniped, yea, one of the benifits of living in a pollution filled city, colorful sunrises...

Have a great day all

Oh, Cliff, batton down the hatches in case more "boom booms" come your way...
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:14:05 AM

Good morning. I have never seen a "sundog".
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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:05:08 AM

"Earthquake at 2:21?

.....

Or...perhaps just a neighbor who just had lunch at Taco Bell.

I've often said after visiting their restaurant: "and this too will pass"!

*****

"Wow! That was a good one"

.....

I've heard that one before as well...from Momma after a big plate of ham hocks and great northern beans!

Great ham and eggs breakfast and another beautiful inspiring day...getting the John Deere out for a day of mowing1
Have a great day! KG



[Edited by: KansasGunman at 4/22/2014 8:09:57 AM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 8:00:09 AM

Good Morning all! Saw a sundog this morning around 6:10 am. Beautiful!
Sundog?
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