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101Speedster

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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:12:22 PM

Got solar? Got wind?

Do you think that the government should be subsidizing the cost of solar panels for homeowners that want them on their houses? How about windmills?

If you have them, how many do you have? Do they cover all of your electricity usage?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 2:49:03 PM

"My electric bill without solar panels is usually under $50/month..."

Doubtful that you would be able to say the same if you lived in Arizona...

If you DO live in Arizona, and have solar panels, there is a simple solution, get off the grid...
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 2:31:36 PM

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< "Arizona Public Service Co. is proposing charging customers who install rooftop solar panels $50 to $100 or more a month to cover the cost of maintaining the power grid." >

. My electric bill without solar panels is usually under $50/month...

[Edited by: BuzzLOL at 7/23/2014 2:32:47 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 1:41:14 PM

A better question is how much did it cost the taxpayer...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 11:13:20 AM

Shock
You don't seem to know anything about power production. In the summer the power companies use to have to run high cost generators to keep up with the usage. You were billed for this with an addition to your power bill.
While we solar users are saving money so are you because the power companies no longer have to run those systems. This saves you money too.
You can thank me later.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 1:47:35 PM

"At what cost?"

A better question is how much did it cost the taxpayer...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 1:40:21 PM

Idheinz
My system has paid for its self and continues to give me free power. My first system was installed in Oct 2006, increased output in Oct 2009. ( added more panels. The 68,000 KWh was produced since the upgrade. Had to change the size of the inverter. An average of just over 1,500 KWh per month. I get all my power free and get a check for my excess at Christmas. Course its Christmas every month when I get my power bill or lack thereof.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 3:46:13 AM

At what cost? Over how much time?

[Edited by: ldheinz at 7/21/2014 3:46:44 AM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 1:15:20 PM

Over 68,000 KWh produced with over 1,700 KWh in my bank.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jun 26, 2014 9:17:32 AM

Yes, and that article didn't even mention the class warfare that Germany's energy policy is causing. Only rich land owners can get the huge solar panel subsidies, which the poor pay for in their electric bills.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 26, 2014 8:41:54 AM

Germany's Green Energy Disaster

Yet further reasons for why we need to get rid of the Federal handouts for "green" energy...

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 6/26/2014 8:43:09 AM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2014 7:21:42 PM

Probably because it cost hoime far more to apy for solar panels then it did to pay his electric bill...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2014 12:42:56 PM

Why did it suck when you had solar panels, SE3.5?
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2014 5:25:54 PM

"Got solar?"

I did when I lived in Illinois. It sucked. Buyers thought it sucked, too.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2014 4:59:40 PM

The Illinois Democrats have been attempting to bankrupt the state for years, and this is just one more part of it.

BTW, I looked into getting solar panels years ago, and Solar City estimated that my payback time was infinite. They couldn't pay for themselves in their lifetime, and that was an estimate from Solar City.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2014 8:49:31 AM

Sure, Illinois liberals have not yet caused a complete financial meltdown, so they push for these new initiatives with money they don't have, then whine about how if they don't make the huge "temporary" income tax increase permanent, then the state will be forced into financial ruin.

Notice, once again, that without huge taxpayer handouts, solar power just would not exist on any kind of scale...
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2014 8:29:17 AM

Illinois is looking to pass legislation to jump start solar panel subsidy

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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2014 6:33:50 AM

Eventually would like to
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2014 4:50:20 AM

I'm curious about how illegals avoid paying sales taxes at stores. Are they issued special tax exemption cards for use at the drive up window? How do they get their withholding back?

And, of course, what this has to do with solar panels...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2014 11:39:23 PM

You have to stop listening to those voices in your head speedy, because I never mentioned anything about illegals...

Sorry if I stepped on your liberal toes by pointing out the truth about your socialistic state...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jun 4, 2014 11:33:42 PM

Let me apologize now, Shock, if there are any ILLEGAL aliens in California that have to spend extra money on taxes so that others can have solar panels on their homes.

Wait, ILLEGALS don't pay taxes. Us taxpayers are forced by our politicians to give handouts to those breaking the laws of this country.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 17, 2014 11:46:21 AM

"Where I live, they just make sense"

Sure, where you live they believe it's OK to take money from one set of people and give it to another....

Without industrial handouts, forced on the industry by the liberals, and the handouts from both state and federal taxpayers, solar panels would not make economic sense...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: May 17, 2014 11:20:24 AM

Where I live, they just make sense.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2014 1:48:20 PM

Some people claim that Solar can compete with conventional energy sources. If so why is Solar City complaining that it will go out of buisness without taxpayer handouts?

California-based SolarCity, one of the nation’s largest solar system contractors, has admitted in Securities and Exchange Commission filings that any curtailment of tax dollars would spell doom. Nearly a third of the cost of its equipment has been paid for by the taxpayer.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2014 5:19:50 AM

Shockjock, the Ivanpah solar collector site is about 30 miles SW of Las Vegas, and is directly along a path from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. It may be remote for people, but it's in a really bad place for airplanes.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2014 8:55:11 PM

Pilots flying both private and commercial aircraft near Las Vegas have filed complaints abut possible unsafe conditions caused by a large solar power plant in the Mojave Desert
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2014 2:48:32 PM

Rebates or tax credits?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2014 11:48:31 AM

If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is, especially when it comes to solar...

Solar power company head facing dozens of felony charges

"Michael Fricker sat stone-faced in Pima County Superior Court. He's facing a total of 35 felony counts. The charges including fraud, theft, money laundering, and illegal control of an enterprise.

The News 4 Tucson Investigators were first contacted by his alleged victims in November, 2012.

Residents in Marana's Sunflower community complained that the company failed to deliver on the promise of rebates for the solar systems installed on their rooftops.

One of those alleged victims, Carol Girvan, tells the News 4 Tucson Investigators she was promised a rebate of more than $15,000 for the purchase a solar system."
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 2:17:20 PM

"warmer climate makes them more cost effective"

Warm & sunny climate makes everything "solar" more effective.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 1:27:18 PM

The last time that I was in Puerto Rico many of the apartments had solar water heaters. Perhaps the warmer climate makes them more cost effective there.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 11:31:44 AM

I had two panels on a previous home to assist my hot water heater. The upkeep (maintenance and repairs) cost more than the decrease in my electric bill. I gave up.

Of course my initial investment was a total loss.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 1/25/2014 11:31:32 AM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2014 10:38:40 AM

Could Renewable energy be the death knell for the German industrial economy?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2014 10:55:01 AM

Solar City wants you to bet on them being able to continue to rape the taxpayer for handouts

""Valuing it is in the eye of the beholder," said Raymond James' analyst Pavel Molchanov, who noted that SolarCity has yet to turn a profit.
"The business model relies heavily on the investment tax credit - without that, it would not work," he said."



[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 1/17/2014 10:56:34 AM EST]
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HEDGEHOGS
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 10:46:49 AM

no
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 9:15:22 AM

Sounds like a high price to pay to be environmentally correct.
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 12:41:30 AM

To be environmentally correct.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2014 9:38:17 AM

3 times? Why did they do it?
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2014 2:04:10 PM

Not at home, but we have them at work. Only costs 3 times what it would to buy electricity from local utility.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2014 12:20:25 PM

Further proof that Renewable energy is high risk
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2014 2:05:23 PM

Solar doesn't make sense for much of the world, and the costs are prohibitive; whether you pay it all yourself or sucker the government into getting other people to pay for part of your system.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2014 9:37:44 AM

" I made a mistake below with the millions and billions"

Liberals like yourself, typically have this problem. After all, when you advocate the redistribution of others people's money, what's the difference if it runs in the millions or billions, it's all free to you, right?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2014 9:34:12 AM

"I thought it was $154.7 million for renewable energy"

As usual you were and continue to be wrong speedy...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2014 7:05:39 PM

>>It's estimated that the Healthcare.gov website cost the taxpayer somewhere between $70M and $300M. What form of math makes $157G a fraction of $300M??<<

As of December 11, 2013, the Obamacare website has cost about $677+ million in about three years. I made a mistake below with the millions and billions (I thought it was $154.7 million for renewable energy), but if Obamacare survives, how much will it have cost the taxpayers after 40 years?


[Edited by: 101Speedster at 1/5/2014 7:05:20 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2014 4:36:06 PM

Talk about an irrationsl business model..

"Peter and Lyndon Rive are riding a wave of exuberance over the industry and their young business, SolarCity.

The company — the nation’s largest provider of rooftop solar systems, with more than 80,000 customers — has not made a dime. And, frankly, no one quite seems to know when, or if, it will.

SolarCity will not predict when it will make a profit. In fact, executives argue that the losses are a good thing."

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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2013 1:44:56 AM

Green Power Gridlock: Why Renewable Energy Is No Alternative
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 9:15:47 AM

"So, basically a fraction of what democrats have spent on the Obamacare website."

It's estimated that the Healthcare.gov website cost the taxpayer somewhere between $70M and $300M. What form of math makes $157G a fraction of $300M??

Is that some kind of new liberal math you are using speedy?

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 12/6/2013 9:16:38 AM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 5:48:58 PM

>>>Since 1973, U.S. government agencies have spent $154.7 billion on “renewable energy” . . .<<

So, basically a fraction of what democrats have spent on the Obamacare website.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 4:05:01 PM

US Has Wasted $154 Billion on 'Renewable Energy'
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>>>Since 1973, U.S. government agencies have spent $154.7 billion on “renewable energy” with very little to show for it. Proponents of solar technology claim that their favored technology is on the verge of being competitive with traditional forms of energy, but they have made the same claim since at least the mid-1990s. Billions of dollars in subsidies later, solar still only comprises at most 0.2 percent of U.S. electricity production according to the Energy Information Administration.

“Green” energy subsidies benefit the politically connected while harming future generations as hundreds of millions of dollars are added to the country’s debt burden with each green failure. It’s time to end all subsidies—for all energy companies, not just green ones—and let the best technologies win. <<<
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2013 2:06:51 PM

Germany is phasing out problematic solar subsidies.
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2013 2:16:15 PM

"That is false. The poor get artificially low rates given to them"

I would like to see that too.
I wouldn't doubt it but I would like to see a source for it.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2013 9:31:20 AM

"That is false. The poor get artificially low rates given to them"

Prove it....
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