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101Speedster

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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:12:22 PM

Got solar? Got wind?

Do you think that the government should be subsidizing the cost of solar panels for homeowners that want them on their houses? How about windmills?

If you have them, how many do you have? Do they cover all of your electricity usage?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 7:13:14 PM

Oilpan4
Had the roof replaced about 6 years ago. Insulation was fine. Storm damaged it and had to replace it again. This time had a solar cap put on it.It wasn't offered the first time.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 4:06:52 PM

Does your flat roof have any insulation?
In Virginia I had a house with a partial flat roof, assumed it all had insulation, saw insulation when I installed a new fan and changed a light fixture. Then pulled up the roof decking a few years later replacing the roof and found that 90% of the flat section of roof had no insulation what so ever.

I live in New Mexico with 110'F summer days and use no where near that level of power.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 3:28:09 PM

OIlpan4
No. I live in the Arizona desert that sees temps of 120 degrees in the summer time.
I have a flat roof, no attic?

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 9/18/2014 3:29:34 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 3:09:53 PM

How about insulation? That's the cheapest thing next to weatherstripping.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 3:00:40 PM

"I stated that I changed my old A/C unit, replaced single pane windows with dual pane windows, installed a solar hot water helper and other things before I installed solar electricity"

All sounds catastrophicly expensive and you still use an extreme amount of power every month.
I just don't see how some one can do all that and still have a $250 amonth power bill.
Are you sure you don't have a huge hole in a wall or roof some where?
Or maybe A/C ducts disconnected and blowing cool air into the attic?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 11:50:04 AM

Oilpan
Your better get reading glasses.
I stated that I changed my old A/C unit, replaced single pane windows with dual pane windows, installed a solar hot water helper and other things before I installed solar electricity. Refresh your memory or go back and re-read before you make your stupid remarks.
After some of your remarks, I no longer tell people that I was born in Virginia.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 11:11:42 AM

What normal people do is they find ways to save power before installing solar.
It appears chief took the less intelligent option and just opted to make out a check.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 10:23:46 AM

And get so much less, as you'd have NEW panels instead of old ones. You also ignore the fact that you could have made money on the electric bills that you hadn't paid yet.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 9:44:11 AM

"If I had waited until now I would have paid all that money for power"

Instead, you chose to pay so much more...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:32:31 PM

IDHenn
If I had waited until now I would have paid all that money for power. Seems like you compare apples to oranges.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:49:59 AM

IDHeinz
You miss a lot. Got back to bed and hide your face.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 10:07:19 AM

Solar Prices Drop 80 Percent Since 2008, Onshore Wind Also Falls

So, Chiefaz, did you figure into your cost justification that if you'd just waited until now you could have gotten your panels for only 20% of the cost?

oilpan4 - "Was it speedster or chief that had the "200 volt solar panels"?
Hahaha"

That was Chiefaz. 101Speedster doesn't give out details about his system.

101Speedster - "I used to post my info ad nauseam just like Chief and was attacked and ridiculed just like Chief. "

Really? You gave out details? I missed it.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 8:55:31 AM

I think we have a love connection....
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:47:06 PM

Speedster
Thank you.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 3:17:29 PM

Was it speedster or chief that had the "200 volt solar panels"?
Hahaha
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 2:48:32 PM

I believe that that was because, like the chief, your figures just don't add up speedy...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 2:14:22 PM

>>Now 101Speedster has avoided that problem by never revealing the properties of his system, just making claims and never backing them up with anything.<<

I used to post my info ad nauseam just like Chief and was attacked and ridiculed just like Chief.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 12:40:28 PM

Flyboy
There you go. The genius tells everyone how smart he is and how stupid his adversary is.
Thank you for proving the point!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 11:58:29 AM

Chiefaz --- when you cant deal with reality your default mode is attack the messenger I guess.....

An expert on running a electrical system I am not. But I spent some time being involved in finding ways to get high voltage power lines from point A to point B. I also had to learn something about managing load and some of the concerns of power sources and what complications the operators have to deal with.

And your knowledge base is what again? Oh yeah you have a PV system and cant seem to come up with consistent sets of figures to attempt to show it is a economic alternative to just a standard system......
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 10:30:48 PM

Flyboy
What do we pay the Power Company for if we have genius' like you???????????????
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 7:44:20 PM

"DO YOU CARE?"

They don't care. They just want hand outs, entitlement and any problems or unforeseen consequences are repairable with some one else's money.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 1:01:47 PM

Chiefaz - do you understand the terms base load and peak load? Do you understand the difference adn the implications of making sudden changes in the electrical load on a large grid tied system? DO YOU CARE?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 12:02:03 PM

Ah schucks Shock. I wasn't talking to you. But you can be excluded if you want too. Just stop posting!

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 9/12/2014 12:02:37 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 6:00:27 PM

The untrained solar believer will see that chart linked in that news article as a victory. As it stands now it isn't a problem, actually if they could maintain 2013 and 2014(projected) they would be fine and remain an ideal situation.
The problem is with the 2020 projection where conventional power generation dips mid day and then shoots up like crazy in the evening.
Anyone who knows anything about power generation sees that as a huge problem. Because of solar dropping off, conventional power generation output needs to double in 3 or 4 hours.
If money is no object and you can put up natural gas fired gas turbines everywhere then there is no problem, everyone just pays stupid amounts of money for power.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 12:59:13 PM

"IDHeinz
Are you reading something that I did not write?"

Ah shucks, I thought when Chief said "bye" he meant it...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 12:56:19 PM

Chief, your problem is that you only see parts of an issue and you ignore the rest of reality. That's why your figures never add up, because they are incomplete and don't represent the real world...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 11:35:56 AM

IDHeinz
Are you reading something that I did not write? I said." I generate enough power to make my power part of the bill zero. Because of that the taxes and fees ( based on usage) go to zero. I save $250.00 because I generate $100.00 worth of power that also does away with most of the fees and taxes.
Read it three times, close your eyes, spin around 3 times and smack yourself upside the head. Do you get it now?????????//
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 11:31:11 AM

Shock
Am I reading the chart wrong or are you. To me the chart shows that less power is required because of solar. Good thing, now high cost daytime generators.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 9:28:58 AM

oilpan, that's exactly what I pointed out to Chief several weeks ago, that solar does not cover the peak load found in the late afternoon early evening, forcing utilities to have to rely on expensive short term power generation to make up the difference.

Solar does not save conventional electrical users money, it costs them more...
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 11:05:07 PM

too much solar screwing up the power grid
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 6:16:10 PM

Bye
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 12:43:51 PM

Chiefaz - "I have proved that my system gives me a ZERO power bill."

No, you have STATED that your system gives you a zero power bill, but you described a system that can't do that, and you refuse to explain the discrepancy.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 12:36:49 PM

IDHeinz
Can't YOU read. I have proved that my system gives me a ZERO power bill.
Your arguments goes in circles.
I'm tired of you. GOOD BY

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 9/10/2014 12:37:17 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 2:55:04 PM

Chiefaz, can't your read? I just said that I saw through your smokescreen about irrelevant details on your bill. Regardless of what your bill says, you claimed to have generated $250\month of profit from a system that can't do that. Or are you claiming that all the connection fees go away if you have solar panels? In which case your neighbors are subsidizing your solar panels - like we have said from the beginning...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 12:51:22 PM

IDHeinz
Can't you read. I even put the APS electric bill on the site in July. Power only makes up 40% of the APS electric bill. You want to believe that all those towers, the generating stations, the equipment ,people and all the sundry other charges the power bills have to pay. These fees and taxes are based on the amount of POWER comsumed. Get your POWER to ZERO and almost, not all, of the fees and taxes-Based on power used. Goes away.
Why you are so dense is beyond me??????????????????????????????????

As for your last entry. I do not have to replace $250.00 worth of power, only the 40% that is the power. READ READ July entry.



[Edited by: Chiefaz at 9/8/2014 12:54:08 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 11:55:33 AM

"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Chiefaz, your nonsense about fees is just a Red Herring, a distraction. The system that you described cannot produce $250/month of electricity. It can only produce roughly 1/4 of that. You haven't explained the discrepancy.

Now 101Speedster has avoided that problem by never revealing the properties of his system, just making claims and never backing them up with anything.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 11:27:10 PM

Seven years later and I'm still paying about $1 a month for the transfer costs of my electricity. Many of my neighbors have finally installed solar panels also. The others can keep paying $300-$400 or more a month during the summer for their electricity.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 7:11:29 PM

IDHeinz
As I stated my $250.00 a month power bill covers the $100.00 of power and
$150.00 of fees and taxes. When I reduce the power portion down to Zero almost all of the other fees and taxes disappear. I went all over this a couple of weeks back.
Please come up with another reason to rebut my claim?????????
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 12:52:01 PM

Interesting article
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>>>You want to run your home with solar power? Well, more power to you. But don’t force your neighbors to pay for it.

That’s the message the Florida Public Services Commission delivered to power companies and environmental activists alike with its 4-1 decision last month to expand consumer access to solar power while protecting other Floridians from having to subsidize it.<<<

Just more indications that solar isn't an economic viable alternative!
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 12:36:42 PM

Chiefaz - "You see my $250.00 power bill changed to ZERO when I finished my system."

But the system that you described can't do that. At best, it could produce about a third of that. That's why we are questioning what you say.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 5, 2014 11:28:33 AM

Flyboy
It doesn't count what you think about my investments. I paid for it and
I'm saving the money. If you don't agree, fine. Put your money in a sock and bury it.
You see my financial advisor is me. My balance sheet is the only one that counts.
You see my $250.00 power bill changed to ZERO when I finished my system.
Do you and others believe it, I could care less. My bank account shows it.
So let's cut to the chase. I paid for it and I am savings the money. Whether you believe it or not doesn't phase me.

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 9/5/2014 11:29:41 AM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 1:11:16 PM

IDHeinz
I did the math or you but no luck. Dense is dense!
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 11:44:36 AM

idheinz I have the feeling if your actually waiting for a rational discussion with chieffy on his system your going to wait for a looooooooong time.

No matter how may times and how many people try to verify his math (that he dribbles out in bits and pieces) it just never seems to add up as a whole....

His constant attacks have made it a waste of time to try and understand him.

According to all the bits and pieces of info he has dribbled out - it just does not add up to a logical cost effective investment it seems.
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 10:57:17 AM

SE3.5 - "I got solar panels. They are called south facing windows. They warm my house every sunny day all winter long. "

So do I. In fact, the soffit is of the correct size and position to allow the sun to enter the room in the winter but not in the summer.

Chiefaz, you appear to believe that if anyone disagrees with you, they are making a personal attack, and you respond with personal insults. We were just pointing out that what you say is impossible, and we did the math to prove it. If you feel otherwise, please show where our calculations are incorrect.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 4:36:45 PM

"I entered updated figures weeks ago"

Sure and they directly contradicted what you posted earlier. Regardless of which figures you use, they don't add up...
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 4:13:25 PM

I got solar panels. They are called south facing windows. They warm my house every sunny day all winter long.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2014 3:38:17 PM

Flyboy.
I entered updated figures weeks ago. Even included a detailed explaination of APS 's bill. Still no luck with you knuckleheads. The only things you guys are responding to is insults. With what, more insults.
If there's any backing down to do. it's from your side of this argument.
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 3:34:16 PM

Chiefaz just what is your major malfunction? Why is it you cant seem to discuss this topic without childish temper tantrums and infantile remarks?

More than one person has said and shown that your figures dont add up.

Rather than correcting your accidental or purposeful errors you seem to want to make it a cussin match.

Grow up and discuss the topic or just admit you dont know beans from buckshot about the topic and slink away.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 3:24:10 PM

Chiefaz - "Actually you haven't been discussing solar systems. You've only been tearing down the people who try to discuss solar power. As a nay sayer if you cant discuss solar intelligently you want to tear down the messenger."

Actually, the one doing personal attacks is you, Chiefaz. Other people have simply addressed the fact that your statements do not add up, and change from posting to posting, which you even acknowledged.

Chiefaz - "My entries may be subject to question but you go beyond that with your vile personal attacks. "

Again, the "vile personal attacks" have all been from you.

Chiefaz - "Open your eyes, open your mind and shut your mouth. "

As you just demonstrated.

Chiefaz - "Here's another one. Index finger extended. "

And yet again.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 12:29:22 PM

Shock
Here's another one. Index finger extended.
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