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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:12:22 PM

Got solar? Got wind?

Do you think that the government should be subsidizing the cost of solar panels for homeowners that want them on their houses? How about windmills?

If you have them, how many do you have? Do they cover all of your electricity usage?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 2:16:13 PM

Shock
Quoting the Chicago Sun-Times? Now we know what a liberal you are!
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2014 11:59:07 AM

It seems like the people in California bet on the ideal weather but got less.
These are normally people who know a gullible government only looks at numbers.
You can bet on the sun coming out but not the clouds that follow?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 7:20:28 PM

Yes, Shockjock1961, it makes me wonder how the Crescent Dunes plant in Tonopah, NV is going to do. It cost $900 million and is late being commissioned.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 4:57:07 PM

A Bike Path Near Amsterdam Is Now Generating Solar Power

Note the trees providing extensive shade for the bicyclists. A stupid idea in the wrong place.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 17, 2014 2:58:47 PM

Sprawling across roughly 5 square miles of federal desert near the California-Nevada border, the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System opened in February, with operators saying it would produce enough electricity to power a city of 140,000 homes. So far, however, the plant is producing about half of its expected annual output for 2014, according to calculations by the California Energy Commission.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2014 1:24:01 PM

How solar panels and their liberal back subsides negatively affect other power users and tax payers.

" In the case of solar energy, homeowners are given subsidies to purchase and install solar panels on their roofs to supplement or offset their own energy use.

While these subsidies do encourage placement of solar panels, there are greater costs most bureaucrats do not consider: who is ultimately footing the bill? In this case, the money used to help pay for the solar panels comes from taxes and electricity rates paid by all — including low-income residents."

"It could be argued that solar subsidies would be of greater service if the benefits flowed through all communities. However, as they are currently structured, the only people who gain are those who install the panels and receive the subsidy"

"In the end, there are better methods of promoting clean energy in homes than giving the upper-middle class subsidies at the expense of those struggling to get by."

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 11/16/2014 1:24:50 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2014 5:40:52 AM

Let me guess, Chiefaz. You're trying to get the topic locked so that your nonsense can go away, right?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2014 5:29:50 PM

Shock
Now you are more than despicable, you are disgusting. The only lying liberal on this topic is YOU!
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 12:45:11 PM

Chiefaz - " ... You make vile people look good! "

ldheinz - "Anyone mind if we talk about solar panels? "
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 12:10:17 PM

Why Chief? Because I outed you as a liar and a liberal?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 11:58:43 AM

Shock
In my almost 80 years on this earth and 30 plus years in the military with tours in Vietnam and Iran, you are the most vilest person I have ever seen.
You make vile people look good!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 9:28:29 AM

Unfortunately not only are polymer solar cells relatively inefficient, they suffer from photochemical degradation. One of the main reasons they have not been widely deployed...
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 6:30:02 PM

That's a record for polymer solar cells only. They are comparatively cheap, though.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 5:24:14 PM

"New Materials Yield Record Efficiency Polymer Solar Cells"

Record "Efficiencies" of only around 10%, and so far nothing really commercially viable....
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 3:08:06 PM

BTW, then next Blue Moon will be on July 31, 2015.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 3:04:20 PM

Now here's about the stupidest idea I've ever heard of:

'SolaRoad' Project Turns Bike Path into Solar Roadway

It generates nearly $1/year/square meter of electricity at an astronomical cost.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 12:57:17 PM

New Materials Yield Record Efficiency Polymer Solar Cells
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 12:17:27 PM

Anyone mind if we talk about solar panels?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 12:10:23 PM

"With your mind set, If I said the moon was blue you would can me at liar"

Chief, I don't believe you for the simple reason that you have been caught repeatedly telling lies....

"Must been the liberal slant you place on everything"

Project much Chief?

"I've got news for you. Your brother O-Vomit has the same mind set"

You definitely share Obama's liberal mind set Chief. After all you are the one backing all these liberal renewable energy policies....

"You don't lie, you just don't know how to tell the truth!"

Again, project much Chief?

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 11/11/2014 12:12:15 PM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 11:51:24 AM

Shock
With your mind set, If I said the moon was blue you would can me at liar.
But wait there is such a thing as a blue moon.
Must been the liberal slant you place on everything. Everyone lies and you are the only truthful person alive.
I've got news for you. Your brother O-Vomit has the same mindset.
You don't lie, you just don't know how to tell the truth!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 8:57:53 AM

"Where did I say I supported cap and trade."

You support the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009" which contains cap and trade, complaining that Harry Reid stopped it (actually it was the conservatives that stopped this bill from being passed, Reid just acknowledged that fact)....
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2014 8:55:54 AM

No, you speakily stated that Harry Reid stopped the bill (the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") that forced HOA's to allow solar panels on the roof.

" I checked with my solar provider and he told me that right now States are governing the solar use. That's because ole'man reid won't let the bill move forward. Hopefully with the
"right" people now in charge of congress that will change"

Sorry Chief, you've been simply let your liberal leaning show, not that there was much doubt to begin with...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2014 6:28:41 PM

Shock
You lie. Look up my entry. I said Harry Reid stopped 350 bills. The bill we are talking about was one of them.
Where did I say I supported cap and trade.
Your turn to apologize.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2014 3:25:28 PM

"I do not and never have said that I support "cap and trade""

Chief, you stated you supported the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009", if you support that then you support "cap and trade"...
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2014 2:39:00 PM

Chiefaz - "I do not and never have said that I support "cap and trade" that is O-Vomit's way of taking control of the country's energy. "

But you did say that you support that proposed law, as it would prevent people from restricting installation of solar panels. Cap and Trade and unrestricted solar panels go together.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2014 2:21:42 PM

Shock
I do not and never have said that I support "cap and trade" that is O-Vomit's way of taking control of the country's energy.
If you could read as good as you run your mouth you would know that.
Now back to subject. I support a fed bill that would outlaw these mini-Hitlerite condo associations from outlawing solar panels. They tried it with satellite tv and lost. Time for them to lose again.
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 11:20:51 PM

Only an idiot would support cap and tax.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 1:00:09 PM

Chiefaz - " Not only don't know how to accept an apology but has to follow with a slur."

Most real apologies don't include slurs, like calling someone an idiot.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 12:28:59 PM

More information of the liberal bill favored by the Chief:

The passage of the American Clean Energy and Security Act is a testament to Nancy Pelosi's leadership and the impressive vote counting and whipping skills she learned from growing up in a political family in Baltimore.

"Despite Republican promises to punish battleground state Democrats for supporting a “cap and tax” plan, Pelosi and her fractious caucus passed their most serious test to date."

"Despite the most coordinated push yet between Democrats on the Hill and the Obama White House, the outcome was not certain until the very end"

"Interestingly, the climate bill and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act passed the House with the same vote count: 219 to 212"

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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 12:19:20 PM

Further proof that Chief is a liberal. Here's who voted for the bill favored by the Chief to get it passed in the house:

219 "Aye" Votes, the vast majority Liberals (only 8 conservatives voted "Aye"). 212 "Nay" Votes the majority of which were Conservatives


[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 11/9/2014 12:23:28 PM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 12:01:15 PM

Shock
Yo Momma still didn't teach you right. Not only don't know how to accept an apology but has to follow with a slur.
Go back to the ghetto dude!

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 11/9/2014 12:01:43 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 4:14:38 AM

So Chiefaz supports cap and trade, eh? Sure sounds like a liberal to me...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2014 5:04:17 PM

"Yo Momma never taught you how to accept an apology, did she"

Chief, I guess your Momma never taught how to give a proper apology, because I have not seen make one...

"The bill we are talking about is one of them."

Still upset that your liberal bill didn't get passed? Not surprising...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2014 11:36:52 AM

Shock,
Yo Momma never taught you how to accept an apology, did she.
Sure shows!

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 11/8/2014 11:37:15 AM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2014 11:32:20 AM

The House passed almost 350 bills having to do with the economy, job creation, immigration, energy and government regulations et al.
Harry Reid as O-vomit's official VETOer stuffed them in a desk and never brought anything to the floor of the Senate. The bill we are talking about is one of them.

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 11/8/2014 11:33:02 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2014 6:25:54 AM

World's largest solar plant applying for federal grant to pay off federal loan

11-8

Sad that it is getting so that stories like this, because they are happening so often, don't seem as shocking anymore.

"the worst kind of cronyism"

"the sun isn't shining enough for them"
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:57:53 PM

Here we go again. That monstrous solar power plant in the Mojave Desert that was built by Google and renewable energy giant NRG with a 1.6 billion dollar federal loan guarantee is making news again. First the loan was questioned because of White House involvement in the loan posses. Then it was criticized by environmentalist because it has been roasting birds in mid flight. A study done for the State of California said it could kill up to 28,000 birds a year, many of them protected. Unfortunately this is the only area the plant has excelled in, the killing of birds. The latest problem for the project is that it is only producing about 1/4 of the energy it was supposed to. The excuse, the sun isn't shining as much as they thought it would.

Now the rich owners of the over sized bird oven are wanting a grant to pay back about 1/3 of the loan the federal government backed. Yes they want the tax payers to give them half a billion dollars to pay back a loan the taxpayers gave them at a stupid low interest rate. That would be like my kid coming to me and asking me to finance a car that I didn't think was worth the money. Then when it turns out to be a lemon he come to me and says the car isn't as good as I thought. Can you give me money so I can pay you back.
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 3:02:32 PM

And with a Republican Congress the bill looks destined for obscurity.
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 1:44:48 PM

American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009, a liberal bill....

No wonder Chief is all for it...
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 1:35:00 PM

Chief, the Federal law which would make it illegal to ban the use of solar panels is part of the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009", which was narrowly passed by the House in 2009 but stalled in the Senate. That bill is more commonly known as "Cap and Trade". Somehow I don't think that "ole'man Reid" is the one who's been holding it up.
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 12:52:45 PM

Chiefaz - "I must apologize to my idiot friends."

So we're idiots for being right? Does that make you smart because you're wrong?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 12:51:35 PM

"I must apologize to my idiot friends"

Actually the only idiot that I've seen is yourself Chief. After all you are the one making all the erroneous statements...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 12:48:34 PM

I must apologize to my idiot friends. I checked with my solar provider and he told me that right now States are governing the solar use. That's because ole'man reid won't let the bill move forward. Hopefully with the
"right" people now in charge of congress that will change,
The confusion came from a recent APS letter that implied the fed had the bill moving but not passed.
Sorry Idaho.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 3:40:15 PM

"Shock
Don't make blanket statements."

Chief, why should I not do what you are so prolific at doing?

Tell you what, you provide the federal law that makes it illegal to ban the use of solar cells anywhere, and I'll provide a list of states that block the rooftop installation of solar cells...
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 3:32:28 PM

The laws preventing solar panels are typically municipal, for the purpose of keeping neighborhoods looking nice. Solar panels can be quite ugly unless installed properly on homes with compatible roofs.

I had a neighbor who had parabolic solar collectors on his roof. His home faced east, and the collectors were huge monstrosities that ran along the peak of his roof. He had to remove them to sell the house, as they were incredibly ugly. I'm really glad they're gone.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 1:22:19 PM

Shock
Don't make blanket statements. Name the states that don't allow solar?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 10:59:32 AM

Here's a website dedicated to listing various laws restricting and allowing solar panels and other renewable energy. Once again, chieffy is caught making up his "facts".
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Message Posted: Nov 3, 2014 9:04:52 AM

Once again, you are wrong Chief. There are numerous states that block rooftop installations of solar panels...



[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 11/3/2014 9:07:43 AM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2014 1:03:58 PM

IDHeinz
You are off base. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS IT IS ILLEGAL TO BAN THE USE OF SOLAR CELLS ANYWHERE< JUST LIKE THEY HAD TO DO WITH SAT TV!
Are your ears clear yet??????????????
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 5:17:23 PM

Solar Power Material Converts 90% of Captured Light into Heat
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