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101Speedster

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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:12:22 PM

Got solar? Got wind?

Do you think that the government should be subsidizing the cost of solar panels for homeowners that want them on their houses? How about windmills?

If you have them, how many do you have? Do they cover all of your electricity usage?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:14:06 PM

"Shock, this Concrete Liberal contributes to the people of Arizona a
savings on their power bills by lessening their power bills during high usage times"

As I and several others have shown, placing Solar panels increase your fellow power users bills, not lessen it....

"I did this by accepting a rebate from uncle Sam"

Accepting and advocating handouts from uncle sam. Isn't that one of the primary definitions of a liberal?

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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:11:51 PM

"Shock
Ever the jester!"
"Only liberals call people names"

Thankks again Chief for proving, yet again your liberal leanings...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:09:45 PM

Flyboy
Another Bleeding Liberal heard from. Do you guys hold meetings to hold hands and come up with witty saying. Must play hell with your budget.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:01:55 PM

Chief you seem to have a different view of reality than others. You also seem to have a different view of the idea behind conservative and liberal.

Enjoy your delusional day now ya hear.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:26:55 PM

Shock, this Concrete Conservative contributes to the people of Arizona a
savings on their power bills by lessening their power bills during high usage times. I did this by accepting a rebate from uncle Sam and spending my own money, far more than uncle Sam gave me. My actions and the actions of like minded citizens save the people of Arizona millions of dollars during high usage times.
What have you contributed to your fellows citizens, Jokes?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:21:42 PM

Shock
Ever the jester! Only your jokes are getting old.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:31:56 PM

"Only liberals call people names"

Well Chief, if what you say is true, then since you, by far, use name calling as a tactic, that speaks volumes about your political leanings...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:29:10 PM

"A taxpayer from Illinois?????"

What an ignorant statement. How does being a resident of Illinois preclude one from paying Federal income taxes?

"And as I have stated before I am a concrete conservative"

Not so concrete since you accept and advocate liberal handouts such as the one's you received for your supposed solar panels....

A more accurate description for you may be a "concrete liberal"...
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:16:45 PM

When was the last time you posted anything about solar panels, chief?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:14:41 PM

IDHeinz
It looks like you don't want to talk solar either. You are too caught up
making accusations you forgot the topic.
Nothing I have said was wrong and I am a conservative. Only liberals call
people names like you. Trying to hide something?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:45:36 AM

Chiefaz, you say the opposite of the truth so much, I don't think that you even have any solar panels. You claim to be old, so you're probably young, you accuse others of lying, as that's what you have been caught doing so many times, you accuse others of being liberal, so that's what you are sure to be (you support liberal policies, after all).

Now, can we talk about solar panels?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:07:02 PM

YOu know chiffffey it sure would be nice if yo would stop trying to pla silly games here and get back on topic. I really dont care what your opinion is of other posters or anything else except the subject here - solar energy.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 10:28:07 PM

Shock
A taxpayer from Illinois????? I don't believe it. With your" president" and your democratic governors "mostly still in prison" bleeding your state dry.
I have to prop you up with my taxes.
And as I have stated before I am a concrete conservative. Unlike your kind that blow in the wind?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 10:21:10 PM

IDHienz
It appears that as a liberal you refuse to take responsibility for your statements.
I'll talk about solar as soon as you stop your child like behavior?

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 10/20/2014 10:22:25 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:49:06 PM

Chiefaz, I take it back. The way you make up clearly false nonsense and then accuse others of what you're doing, you seem more like an 8-year-old pretending to be somebody else. After all, you keep getting the details wrong.

Now can we talk about solar panels?

[Edited by: ldheinz at 10/20/2014 4:50:45 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:07:37 PM

Oh I'm positive I'm not chief. But liberals like yourself, want to rob taxpayers, like myself, to pay for their foolish endeavors...

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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:06:13 PM

IDHeinz
I have told the truth and apologized for any incorrect data I have put on the topics.
You however, as a dyed in the wool Liberal , have spun tales and lies continuously.
We try to discuss the merits of solar power while you try to tear it down. As all Liberals, when you are against something, you do not want any one to have it.
Shame that people like you voted for O-Vomit.

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 10/20/2014 4:07:15 PM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 4:00:56 PM

Shock
Are you sure that you are not on welfare and using my money to pay for everything?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 12:49:21 PM

Chiefaz, your temper tantrums are getting tiresome. Remember, YOU are the one that keeps getting caught in lie after lie. Nobody else here has.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 12:44:53 PM

"Chicago is not the world"

Who said it was?

"You and Shock seems to be a few from Illinois"

Illinois is a BIG state Chief. Living in Illinois doesn't mean you live anywhere near or are in any way associated with Chicago.

"So if you and shock don't like solar, fine. But don't put it down for the other states!"

The only reason I dislike Solar is because I'm forced to help pay for your uneconomical power system. If you want to waste your money on it Chief, be my guest. I just take umbrage to being forced to pay for a portion of it...

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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:36:42 AM

IDHeonz
Pay Attention!
Number 1 liar
Number 2 liar
number 3 liar.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:09:38 AM

Chiefaz, please pay attention:

1) "non one has called me a liar before:."

I said that no one had called me a "lair" before.

2) "Chicago is not the world. "

No one said that it was.

3) "There are a lot of places in the country where solar works fine."

We didn't say otherwise. We just said that we don't want to pay for your science experiment.

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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 10:59:28 AM

IDHeinz
The good time to start was in answer to your statement "non one has called me a liar before:.
Chicago is not the world. You and Shock seems to be a few from Illinois.
There are a lot of places in the country where solar works fine. In Arizona the solar systems add worth to the house and are transferable.
So if you and shock don't like solar, fine. But don't put it down for the other states!
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 5:51:36 PM

Good time to start what? Chicago is a terrible place for solar. Even Solar City admits that. A guy down the street with a solar system tore his out so that he could sell his house. They can be incredibly ugly.

[Edited by: ldheinz at 10/19/2014 5:52:54 PM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 3:30:27 PM

IDHeinz
Good time to start.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 12:16:11 PM

borsht
I put in a solar hot water assist system. It has 8 5 gallon copper tubes inside the housing. It is inserted in the cold water supply side of the water tank. Gives me plenty of hot water and my heater only comes on during the long winter nights or prolonged cloudy days.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 12:11:30 PM

Shock
I see you want to join your liar friends. I'm sure that they will welcome you to their pack.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 2:44:19 PM

Yes, borscht, solar water heaters can work quite well. I've seen them used extensively in Puerto Rico.

And I've never been called a "lair" before...
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borsht
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 1:05:29 PM

Yes, they heat water very well. They are black chromium plated copper with spectral glass to allow Solar heat in but block their own black body transmission.
The temperature can reach up to 400F, with no water circulation. Thus some simple controls are essential.

[Edited by: borsht at 10/17/2014 1:06:06 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 12:34:12 PM

I've seen far more apparent lies coming from the elderly chief then anyone else posting in this topic. It's kind of ironic that he accuses others without any proof...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 12:23:32 PM

IDHeinz
When a politician ( an innate liar) calls someone a lair, it must be a lie since no politician knows how to tell the truth.
So I guess in a way, ID the politician , paid me a compliment.
But remember, they do not know how to tell the truth.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 3:21:07 PM

This from Mr. "200 volt" solar panels....
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 1:12:59 PM

IDHeinz
Another of Mr. Politician's cohorts heard from. Mr. genius himself, who wouldn't know a watt from an ohm!
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 5:35:00 PM

Solar Robot keeps Solar Panels Shining.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 12:15:59 PM

Chiefaz - "Here's Mr. grid genius again. You have to remember that this person is a politician! Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. "

That's a convenient rationalization for someone who has been caught lying again and again. And who hasn't been able to come up with anything incorrect in what others say.

How about we talk about solar panels now?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 11:54:57 AM

Flyboy
Here's Mr. grid genius again. You have to remember that this person is a politician! Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie.
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2014 5:36:10 PM

Hey Chieffy - ever heard of the grid. Want to take a wild hairy guess what that means concerning the term interconnected.

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Chief every time you talk about your vaunted system you prove once more that other people who do not benefit from your toy are helping you pay for it.

I for one do not wish to pay for your toys. Either be willing to pay the real cost of your hobby or go off grid and leave the rest of us alone. When you go off grid be sure to tell all of us how your getting rich saving money you used to pay for power.
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2014 3:51:51 PM

Balancing Renewable Energy Costs
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2014 1:42:07 PM

Chiefaz - "Since when is Utah taxed for Arizona power?"

Chiefaz - "The power companies get a rebate from Uncle Sam for using alternative power source."

I guess you answered your own question...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2014 12:45:52 PM

I believe flyboy is referring to the taxpayer handouts you have received for your solar. Chief, but go ahead and deflect the subject like you do when you have talked yourself into a corner..
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2014 12:25:00 PM

Flyboy
You support my efforts? Since when is Utah taxed for Arizona power?
Give it a rest. You and your liberal genius' could solve the world's problems to hear you talk. So butt out and turn to a more productive genius endeavors.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2014 3:24:37 PM

ldheinz - dont confuse Chieffy with facts and real world problems. He will just crawl back in his shell and spit more venom as he seems wont to do whenever his pet theories are challenged.

Nothing anyone will say will ever get him to understand that there are real time consequences of what he proposes and that someone has to deal with the problems he and his like minded greenies cause.

From a very selfish perspective (as in I dont like to have to pay in multiple ways for him to pursue his hobby of being a minipower company) I believe that he and his brethren should either pay themselves for the real costs of what they do or if they demand that going solar is a freedom of theirs - fine go off grid so we dont have to support his freedoms.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2014 3:10:30 PM

Modeling the Effect of More Solar on the Grid
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2014 11:48:11 AM

Chiefaz - "As with all politicians when asked a question you don't want to answer you switch the subject and attack your opponent!"

But as I just proved by quoting you, that's exactly what YOU did.

Chiefaz - "As with all politicians you can't seems to tell the truth."

But as myself and others have shown, that is exactly what you have been doing with regard to your solar panels.

Chiefaz - "And like a good liberal, all your like minded friends jump to your defense."

Again, I am not, and never have been, a liberal. You have supported liberal policies, however, by supporting solar panel subsidies.

Chiefaz - "You don't want answers, your want conflict."

I've actually provided the answers by doing the math for you, but you have denied mathematics. When I asked where my calculations might be in error, you ignored me.

Chiefaz - "Sorry I never said I trust politicians but I do believe the ombudsman that looks out for us at the commission."

A commission of politicians, of course. How do you think they got on the commission?

Chiefaz - "So you and your buddies crawl back under your rocks. "

We'd rather talk about solar panels. That IS the topic, as you seem to keep forgetting.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2014 11:25:36 AM

IDHeinz
As with all politicians when asked a question you don't want to answer you switch the subject and attack your opponent!
As with all politicians you can't seems to tell the truth.
And like a good liberal, all your like minded friends jump to your defense.
You don't want answers, your want conflict.
Sorry I never said I trust politicians but I do believe the ombudsman that
looks out for us at the commission.
So you and your buddies crawl back under your rocks.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2014 9:40:22 AM

"He is old and senile"

He is increasingly looking that way...
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 8:30:33 PM

" Why is that, Chiefaz?"

He is old and senile.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 8:16:10 PM

Chiefaz - "I only know what my local power company tells me. ... who do we believe you or the power companies? "

ldheinz - "So it's not about the facts, it's about who to blindly believe because you don't know anything? Then why not just admit that you don't know anything rather than making wild, unsubstantiated claims? "

I'm still waiting for a response to my on-topic question, while you insist on a red herring to divert attention to the fact that you don't want to answer the question.

I also note that you were insisting that government officials must be trusted at all times, and then suddenly switched to saying the exact opposite. Why is that, Chiefaz?

[Edited by: ldheinz at 10/12/2014 8:18:40 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 6:12:09 PM

ldheinz I almost think I would believe a politician more than chief and his claims on solar panels.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 6:09:53 PM

IDHienz
How can we believe anything a politician says?
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