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101Speedster

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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:12:22 PM

Got solar? Got wind?

Do you think that the government should be subsidizing the cost of solar panels for homeowners that want them on their houses? How about windmills?

If you have them, how many do you have? Do they cover all of your electricity usage?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2014 1:48:20 PM

Some people claim that Solar can compete with conventional energy sources. If so why is Solar City complaining that it will go out of buisness without taxpayer handouts?

California-based SolarCity, one of the nation’s largest solar system contractors, has admitted in Securities and Exchange Commission filings that any curtailment of tax dollars would spell doom. Nearly a third of the cost of its equipment has been paid for by the taxpayer.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2014 5:19:50 AM

Shockjock, the Ivanpah solar collector site is about 30 miles SW of Las Vegas, and is directly along a path from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. It may be remote for people, but it's in a really bad place for airplanes.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2014 8:55:11 PM

Pilots flying both private and commercial aircraft near Las Vegas have filed complaints abut possible unsafe conditions caused by a large solar power plant in the Mojave Desert
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2014 2:48:32 PM

Rebates or tax credits?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2014 11:48:31 AM

If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is, especially when it comes to solar...

Solar power company head facing dozens of felony charges

"Michael Fricker sat stone-faced in Pima County Superior Court. He's facing a total of 35 felony counts. The charges including fraud, theft, money laundering, and illegal control of an enterprise.

The News 4 Tucson Investigators were first contacted by his alleged victims in November, 2012.

Residents in Marana's Sunflower community complained that the company failed to deliver on the promise of rebates for the solar systems installed on their rooftops.

One of those alleged victims, Carol Girvan, tells the News 4 Tucson Investigators she was promised a rebate of more than $15,000 for the purchase a solar system."
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 2:17:20 PM

"warmer climate makes them more cost effective"

Warm & sunny climate makes everything "solar" more effective.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 1:27:18 PM

The last time that I was in Puerto Rico many of the apartments had solar water heaters. Perhaps the warmer climate makes them more cost effective there.
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 11:31:44 AM

I had two panels on a previous home to assist my hot water heater. The upkeep (maintenance and repairs) cost more than the decrease in my electric bill. I gave up.

Of course my initial investment was a total loss.

[Edited by: SE3.5 at 1/25/2014 11:31:32 AM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2014 10:38:40 AM

Could Renewable energy be the death knell for the German industrial economy?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2014 10:55:01 AM

Solar City wants you to bet on them being able to continue to rape the taxpayer for handouts

""Valuing it is in the eye of the beholder," said Raymond James' analyst Pavel Molchanov, who noted that SolarCity has yet to turn a profit.
"The business model relies heavily on the investment tax credit - without that, it would not work," he said."



[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 1/17/2014 10:56:34 AM EST]
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HEDGEHOGS
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 10:46:49 AM

no
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 9:15:22 AM

Sounds like a high price to pay to be environmentally correct.
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2014 12:41:30 AM

To be environmentally correct.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2014 9:38:17 AM

3 times? Why did they do it?
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2014 2:04:10 PM

Not at home, but we have them at work. Only costs 3 times what it would to buy electricity from local utility.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2014 12:20:25 PM

Further proof that Renewable energy is high risk
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2014 2:05:23 PM

Solar doesn't make sense for much of the world, and the costs are prohibitive; whether you pay it all yourself or sucker the government into getting other people to pay for part of your system.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2014 9:37:44 AM

" I made a mistake below with the millions and billions"

Liberals like yourself, typically have this problem. After all, when you advocate the redistribution of others people's money, what's the difference if it runs in the millions or billions, it's all free to you, right?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2014 9:34:12 AM

"I thought it was $154.7 million for renewable energy"

As usual you were and continue to be wrong speedy...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2014 7:05:39 PM

>>It's estimated that the Healthcare.gov website cost the taxpayer somewhere between $70M and $300M. What form of math makes $157G a fraction of $300M??<<

As of December 11, 2013, the Obamacare website has cost about $677+ million in about three years. I made a mistake below with the millions and billions (I thought it was $154.7 million for renewable energy), but if Obamacare survives, how much will it have cost the taxpayers after 40 years?


[Edited by: 101Speedster at 1/5/2014 7:05:20 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2014 4:36:06 PM

Talk about an irrationsl business model..

"Peter and Lyndon Rive are riding a wave of exuberance over the industry and their young business, SolarCity.

The company — the nation’s largest provider of rooftop solar systems, with more than 80,000 customers — has not made a dime. And, frankly, no one quite seems to know when, or if, it will.

SolarCity will not predict when it will make a profit. In fact, executives argue that the losses are a good thing."

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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2013 1:44:56 AM

Green Power Gridlock: Why Renewable Energy Is No Alternative
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 9:15:47 AM

"So, basically a fraction of what democrats have spent on the Obamacare website."

It's estimated that the Healthcare.gov website cost the taxpayer somewhere between $70M and $300M. What form of math makes $157G a fraction of $300M??

Is that some kind of new liberal math you are using speedy?

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 12/6/2013 9:16:38 AM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 5:48:58 PM

>>>Since 1973, U.S. government agencies have spent $154.7 billion on “renewable energy” . . .<<

So, basically a fraction of what democrats have spent on the Obamacare website.
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 4:05:01 PM

US Has Wasted $154 Billion on 'Renewable Energy'
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>>>Since 1973, U.S. government agencies have spent $154.7 billion on “renewable energy” with very little to show for it. Proponents of solar technology claim that their favored technology is on the verge of being competitive with traditional forms of energy, but they have made the same claim since at least the mid-1990s. Billions of dollars in subsidies later, solar still only comprises at most 0.2 percent of U.S. electricity production according to the Energy Information Administration.

“Green” energy subsidies benefit the politically connected while harming future generations as hundreds of millions of dollars are added to the country’s debt burden with each green failure. It’s time to end all subsidies—for all energy companies, not just green ones—and let the best technologies win. <<<
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2013 2:06:51 PM

Germany is phasing out problematic solar subsidies.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2013 2:16:15 PM

"That is false. The poor get artificially low rates given to them"

I would like to see that too.
I wouldn't doubt it but I would like to see a source for it.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2013 9:31:20 AM

"That is false. The poor get artificially low rates given to them"

Prove it....
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 2:10:32 PM

>>the poor pay extremely high electric rates<<

That is false. The poor get artificially low rates given to them.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2013 8:56:07 PM

101Speedster - "Like I said before, the poor do not pay income taxes."

Yes, but don't ask me WHY you said it. It doesn't lower their electric bills at all. You know, the electric bills that are artificially inflated to support the rich people's solar panels.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2013 8:33:07 PM

Like I said before, the poor do not pay income taxes. They usually get back more from the federal government than what they pay in, if anything.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2013 11:30:55 AM

101Speedster - " Or is it, how much more do they get back from the feds than what they pay into the system?"

No, due to subsides to solar power the poor pay extremely high electric rates while the rich receive the benefits, as shown in the link that I provided. It's a reverse "Robin Hood", as I said. There have been protest marches by the poor, objecting to solar power subsidies to the rich.

101Speedster - "BTW, France recycles their nuclear waste. "

How is that relevant?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 18, 2013 11:37:55 AM

>>It's the poor renters who are getting screwed by the rich landowners, as required by law.<<

The poor renters pay how much for income taxes? Or is it, how much more do they get back from the feds than what they pay into the system?

BTW, France recycles their nuclear waste.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:36:32 PM

ldheinz - " It's sort of a reverse Robin Hood of poor renters being forced to subsidize rich landowners. Not exactly good social policy, eh? "

101Speedster - "So you take the wealthy taxpayers, take taxes from them, and then give a portion of it back to those same wealthy taxpayers?"

No, it's what I said, with linked references, not what you changed it to. It's the poor renters who are getting screwed by the rich landowners, as required by law. BTW, German solar subsidies alone exceed the cost of purchasing power from other countries. In Germany, electricity costs $.34/kwh, over twice what I pay, while the French pay $.07/kwh, less than half what I pay. Of course, the French use solid, reliable Nuclear power, not flaky renewables.

101Speedster - " I'm sure that as soon as Obama comes up with an economic plan, the U. S. will get back on track. "

I'm sure that in 10-15 years he'll come up with one.

[Edited by: ldheinz at 11/14/2013 9:38:01 PM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 8:26:06 PM

So you take the wealthy taxpayers, take taxes from them, and then give a portion of it back to those same wealthy taxpayers? Sounds better to me than to give it to the 47%ers.
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 6:27:11 PM

no
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 3:31:35 PM

101Speedster - "Just who is the wealth being redistributed to, Shock, the wealthy home owners? "

Why, yes it is. It's sort of a reverse Robin Hood of poor renters being forced to subsidize rich landowners. Not exactly good social policy, eh?
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 7:08:47 PM

"Do you think that the government should be subsidizing the cost of solar panels for homeowners that want them on their houses?"

Personally, I think the government should be dealing with what they were supposed to be dealing with in the beginning; foreign policy and interaction between the States. Nothing else.

Flame on! DUH!
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 7:00:28 PM

Solar is a disaster for Germany, and is getting worse.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 4:52:25 PM

Soar Panels sure are not the reason for Germany's success. In fact, it probably can be argued that Germany could have been even more prosperous if they hadn't invested so much in Solar...

So why would Speedy bring this up?

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 11/13/2013 4:52:14 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 4:18:47 PM

Speedy don't be so sure, it will take more than a plan.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 1:25:03 PM

I wish that our economy was as strong as it is in Germany. I'm sure that as soon as Obama comes up with an economic plan, the U. S. will get back on track. ;)



[Edited by: 101Speedster at 11/13/2013 1:25:26 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 9:25:13 AM

"no but if it was less expensive I would entertain them"

Since they are not, does that mean you reject them?
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 11:18:42 AM

In Canada a wood stove would likely be a better use of ones money.
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 9:28:31 AM

no but if it was less expensive I would entertain them
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 9:27:30 AM

Illinois not meeting goals for solar energy

So of course, the "solution" is to force conventional consumers and the taxpayers to subsidize solar users forcing conventional users to pay more and the already broke state to go further into debt...

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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 1:44:04 AM

What The U.S. Can Learn From Germany's Green Energy Debacle
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 10:07:10 AM

"Just who is the wealth being redistributed to, Shock, the wealthy home owners?"

If the people buying Solar panels are truly wealthy, speedy, then why do they need taxpayer handouts?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 1:08:33 AM

Germany is being brought close to revolt over massive subsidies to solar, which have resulted in extremely high electric rates for renters but huge payouts to rich landowners with solar panels.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 9:56:44 PM

>>You are a fool if you don't take advantage of an impractical and uneconomical system that is funded through redistribution of wealth and tax payer handout...<<

Just who is the wealth being redistributed to, Shock, the wealthy home owners?
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