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101Speedster

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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:12:22 PM

Got solar? Got wind?

Do you think that the government should be subsidizing the cost of solar panels for homeowners that want them on their houses? How about windmills?

If you have them, how many do you have? Do they cover all of your electricity usage?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 9:18:13 AM

Chief, I haven't torn down anybody, I've just pointed out the numerous inconsistencies and mistruths that you have presented.

"My entries may be subject to question but you go beyond that with your vile personal attacks"

The only one I see presenting vile personal attacks are you Chief...

"Open your eyes, open your mind and shut your mouth."

Right there is another one...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 9:44:01 PM

Shock
Actually you haven't been discussing solar systems. You've only been tearing down the people who try to discuss solar power.
As a nay sayer if you cant discuss solar intelligently you want to tear down the messenger.
My entries may be subject to question but you go beyond that with your vile personal attacks. Unfortunately you have many fellow travelers on here.
Open your eyes, open your mind and shut your mouth.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 1:00:09 PM

Actually Chief, we have been talking Solar panels, and how they are just not economical except for possibly in locations where the liberals have been successful at abnormally distorting the price of electricity...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 12:08:47 PM

flyboy
They don't want to discuss solar panels. They only want to throw barbs. Have you joined that crowd????
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 11:47:51 AM

Flyboy. Are you in the cockpit or on the tarmac?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 11:05:06 PM

Chief will you just stop playing the silly games for a while.

The fact is that the information you have been giving out is not clear and does not always make sense. Now if that offends you I'm sorry but it is fact to me. Why do you think you keep getting so many questions from folks who say what you have said doesnt seem to add up.

So far what I have seen you post as figures does not add up for me.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 10:45:36 PM

Shock
But he started.....
Huh, you seem to forget.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 7:49:09 PM

But he started...

Never mind! :)

You're right flyboy. I shouldn't have let him pull me down to his level..

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 8/29/2014 7:50:45 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 7:03:37 PM

If you people want to act like a bunch of schoolyard kiddies fine... But I thought we were discussing Solar Panels.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 7:01:03 PM

Shock
Hello, stupid is as stupid does. That is Gump's message to Shocker.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 2:11:25 PM

What would me looking in the mirror have to do with you talking to yourself chief?

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 8/29/2014 2:12:17 PM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:32:42 PM

Shock
Look in the mirror stupe!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 2:59:13 PM

You really shouldn't talk about yourself like the chief. It's bad for your self-esteem...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 2:52:40 PM

Oilpan4
Another stupe heard from.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 2:24:19 PM

Shock you just don't understand liberal math.

Didn't you know $21,000 + $7,500 still equals $21,000.
What did you do, pass several real math classes or something?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 10:22:01 AM

Shock
Mea Culpa
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:50:36 AM

" Claim to have paid $21,000 for the original system. I did not. I showed in my entries that I paid $21,000.00 both systems"...

Posted on July 26th by Chief...

"Your figures are all wrong. A thousand months, not even close. I purchased my first system in 2006 for $21,000. My power bill averaged $250.00 per month. I paid about $25.00 a month after the installation. That system paid for itself in less than 8 years. I enlarged my system with the addition of 9 panels in 2009 for $7,500"

This is what happens when you tell so many "mistruths" that you can no longer keep them straight. This is exactly what I mean when I say that the Chief changes his figures to fit his current argument...

Figures don't lie, but liars figure...

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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:22:18 AM

Yes, PopcornPirate, and solar panels have another problem in that any roof maintenance becomes MUCH more expensive. I had my roof replaced a few years ago because of hail damage, and it would have been vastly more expensive to do if I had solar panels.

Chiefaz - "You are still having trouble reading?"

I have never had any trouble reading. You seem to have trouble understanding, though.

Chiefaz - "KWh Kilowatt Hour.. measure by which the power companies charge for power."

Cute. That doesn't say what the term MEANS, though.

Chiefaz - "Youu keep saying 70,000. "

No, YOU keep saying 70,000. Remember when you said "To All You Nay Sayers... 70,000 KWh today. Eat your heart out. " on August 24th?

Chiefaz - " I have told you many times that is since my inverter was replaced."

But you HAVEN'T said how many kwh you had at that time. You also didn't say how much it cost to have the inverter replaced.

Chiefaz - "Claim to have paid $21,000 for the original system. I did not. I showed in my entries that I paid $21,000.00 both systems."

That conflicts with what you said before. Your claims just keep changing.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:12:02 AM

By my calculations I did a few years ago ( Yes i know that the new systems are approx 10 to 15% cheaper now ) It was not cost effective to purchase a solar panel system for your house. You had less than a 5% to 7% chance of ever recouping your investment within the normal life span of the equipment.

ALSO in a side note
In NJ ( not sure about other states ) If you have solar panels mounted to your roof. If your house catches fire. The fire dept will not attempt to put it out when they deem that they needed to open the roof. At that point they will only contain it from spreading.
Bye Bye system
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 1:23:37 PM

IDHeinz
You are still having trouble reading?
KWh Kilowatt Hour.. measure by which the power companies charge for power.
Youu keep saying 70,000. I have told you many times that is since my inverter was replaced. First system installed, inverter malfunctioned and was replaced. System ungraded requiring a larger inverter. At each of these times the meters start at Zero. Too tough to understand?
BTW Your claims contradict each other...where do you hide your eyeballs????
BTW, Claim to have paid $21,000 for the original system. I did not. I showed in my entries that I paid $21,000.00 both systems.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 1:08:29 PM

Chiefaz - "Be careful IDHeinz don't believe in KWh!"

Why shouldn't I believe in kwh? Because you don't know what the term even means?

Chiefaz, your numbers keep changing to fit whatever you want to say at the moment. You said that you originally paid $21,000, but then you added more panels to make the total $29,000. You just said that you have gotten a total of 70,000 kwh out of your system, and assuming net cost metering, since Phoenix pays $0.12/kwh, that means that you have received a total of $8400 back, and since the system is 8 years old you probably won't get back your initial investment over the life of the system.

Or to state it more clearly, you claim that you have received $250/month for 8 years, or $24,000, but you also claim that you have received $70,000 kwh, which is only $8400. Your claims contradict each other. Please explain this.

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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 12:51:16 PM

"Those panels are capable of producing 8.18 Kwh per hour. That usually equates to a daily output of 40 to 60 Kwh depending on sun and length of day."

If this were true, then over an 8 year period you should have produced 117,000 - 175,000 Kwh, yet now you claim that you just went past the 70,000 Kwh point.

This is what I mean when I say your obviously made up numbers just don't add up. Every time you spew a new set of bogus numbers out, there is no correlation with your previous made up figures...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 12:43:30 PM

Unless you are paying 35 cents/Kwh for electricty, your bogus numbers just don't add up Chief...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 12:35:33 PM

Troller-Diesel
Be careful IDHeinz don't believe in KWh!
Your statement is that I have it wrong. Check the entry again. I said KWh. BTW. How much did you make at night? You are joking right. Or do we have another comedian on here?


[Edited by: Chiefaz at 8/25/2014 12:37:44 PM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 12:31:28 PM

IDHeinz
Where do you get your numbers.
1. I paid $21,000 for my system.
2. I have had my system for 8 years.
3. I replaced a $250.00 a month with a zero power bill.
4. 96 months times $250.00 comes out to $24,000.00.
5. As I have said, I'm in the moneymaking phase of the system.
Anymore weird notions you have?
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 11:30:47 AM

70,000 Kw today? Wow. Impressive.

How much overnight?

BTW, electricity is usually measured in kWh...



[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 8/25/2014 11:31:43 AM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:38:49 AM

I checked with Solar City a while back. They said I would have a negative payback at my house.

Chiefaz - "To All You Nay Sayers... 70,000 KWh today. Eat your heart out. "

My heart's fine as is. So assuming net cost metering you have generated $8400 worth of power with your $29,000 system. You haven't even covered depreciation on your solar installation. Congratulations.

Chiefaz - "I refuse to get into the corner with all you naysayers. Would not be fun with all you negatives."

I hope you're having fun. You are sure paying enough for the privilege.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 11:27:40 PM

FlyBoy
I refuse to get into the corner with all you naysayers. Would not be fun with all you negatives.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 11:24:51 PM

Daruma
Check to see if you have a Solar City in your area. They install the system for free and lease it to you. If the solar won't save you money they won't install it. Best way to start. Good Luck
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 11:22:36 PM

To All You Nay Sayers... 70,000 KWh today. Eat your heart out.
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Daruma
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 9:57:58 PM

I'd try solar and wind power generation if I could afford them. I was just reading about a passive solar home that stays 73 degrees without a furnace or air conditioning. It would be nice to reduce or totally eliminate utility bills.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 7:16:35 PM

Oh so adult there Chief. NOT!!!!!

If you cant hold up your end of the conversation without resorting to childish language maybe you need to go sit in the corner with the rest of the kiddies and take a time out or something.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 12:02:08 PM

Chiefaz - "All the data is in my entries. If you can't read it get your 5 year old to read it to you. "

No need. Apparently the 5 year old is the one who made up the data.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 11:28:25 AM

"they call me a liberal"

Chief, you are one who advocates and takes advantage of government handouts.
You sound like a liberal to me...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2014 11:26:44 AM

"I don't have to prove aanything"

Because you given nothing but anecdoatla evidence which myself and several others have proven to be inaccurate or plain misinformation. Your data just doesn't add up....
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 3:26:21 PM

Look Chief you can call me lots of things. You can even call me a yeoman striker or a snipe but calling me a liberal is just too nasty and unkind.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 2:44:42 PM

Shock
Thank you, you said it. I don't have to prove aanything. All the data is in my entries. If you can't read it get your 5 year old to read it to you.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 2:41:48 PM

FLyBoy
Read the entries, they call me a liberal. So man up and take it?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 11:25:07 AM

This has suddenly become an issue for me--I won't take up your time by telling you the reasons why.

How does property tax fit in here? I just read that in Maryland, property tax credits are available for 3 years. Trying to find good data on that.

I don't want them. My electricity bill is not too horrible. I will keep researching, but if anyone has any hard data on property tax increases, I'd love to see it. I will post any if I find and not just for Maryland).

[Edited by: mweyant at 8/23/2014 11:26:06 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 10:07:39 AM

Shock - talk about vile unkind cussin at someone . For this Solar enamored person to call me a liberal. Are there no depths he will not sink to?

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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 8:55:59 AM

"You still can't read. Go back and read my entries the past couple of weeks.You still can't read. Go back and read my entries the past couple of weeks."

I have... And?

"Oh, I don't have to prove anything to you"

That's simply because you have nothing to prove. Everything you have put out has simply proven to be untrue...

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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2014 5:16:23 AM

no
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 11:43:49 PM

Shock
You still can't read. Go back and read my entries the past couple of weeks.
And Oh, I don't have to prove anything to you. I'm comfortable in my skin!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 2:03:49 PM

"You speak vile I return the compliment"

What vile words would that be chief?

"Over the past couple of weeks I have placed a myriad of information on this
subject"

Nothing that can be confirmed nor that adds up when examined...

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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 1:07:29 PM

Shock
You speak vile I return the compliment.
Over the past couple of weeks I have placed a myriad of information on this
subject. But in spite of that, all you can say is you lie, you lie.
You and your ilk said I could not cover a $250.00 power bill with my system. I posted information showing that I only had to replace 40% of that. The rest is fees and Taxes that go away if you don't have a power bill. No comments only more accusations.
I'm told I'm stupid for not knowing the KWh doesn't exist. Yet everything I
have suggests the opposite. No comments but more accusations,
It's getting tiresome listing to you Liberals trying to wear down this conservative.
Know what, after 31.5 years in the military, I don't wear down.
Call me a liar and I'll call you something worse.
Read the entries posted in the past couple of weeks and educate yourself.


[Edited by: Chiefaz at 8/22/2014 1:12:00 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 8:54:54 AM

"I have given you all the proof you need"

But you've given no proof what so ever, plus it's been shown several times be various people that your figures just don't compute...

"Shock
you are one dumb s.o.b."

Now who's the one making vial accusations Chief? Once again, you are the one in obvious error...
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 4:01:16 AM

Chiefaz - "Have not noticed any heat loss at night."

How would you notice it? Can you see in infrared?

Chiefaz - "Any water drawn is replaced by hot water from the copper tubes."

But at night, the copper tubes are cold. Since hot water rises, the water from the tank rises into the copper tubes where it heats the pipes using heat from the water heater. You are paying to heat the tank, and therefore the outdoors at night.

Chiefaz - "Since this happens at night very little water is drawn. "

But the water doesn't stay put, it moves by itself into the copper tubes, even if you aren't drawing any water.

[Edited by: ldheinz at 8/22/2014 4:05:02 AM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 2:18:43 AM

Flyboy
Another liberal heard from. If you can't read and fathom the reams of information that I have posted, join Shock in detention after class.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 10:58:18 PM

Chiefaz I also do not follow your figures and reasoning. However when you cannot carry on a conversation without cursing at others maybe its time you just go away and let the adults here discuss stuff.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 10:41:47 PM

Shock
you are one dumb s.o.b.
No amount is enough for you. You can't even keep your thoughts and statements on an even keel. I have given you all the proof you need. I am not going to give you any more. All I can say is, Get Lost.
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