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101Speedster

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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2008 12:12:22 PM

Got solar? Got wind?

Do you think that the government should be subsidizing the cost of solar panels for homeowners that want them on their houses? How about windmills?

If you have them, how many do you have? Do they cover all of your electricity usage?
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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 8:05:56 PM

No, not allowed by our HOA.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 4:04:11 PM

If solar were competitive, then why would you need so much more tax payer money to find ways to make it more affordable?
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 4:01:06 PM

Here's a novel form of solar power.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 3:59:27 PM

More government money goes to solar.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2014 7:02:20 PM

ID - he doesnt have anything left it appears. Maybe he just needs to crawl back in the goatlocker and take some pain killers or something.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2014 5:32:13 PM

Chiefaz, let me guess. Your arguments and made up facts have failed, so now you want to turn this topic into a shouting match so that you can get it locked. Right?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2014 5:27:41 PM

Flyboy
Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2014 12:26:28 PM

Shock - I hope you also report him.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2014 8:42:25 AM

Then he runs sniveling to the mods complaining when you return the "favor"...

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 12/13/2014 8:46:18 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 8:28:59 PM

Chiffy - is there some really good reason why you just cant seem to carry on a conversation without getting ugly and trying to insult everyone?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 11:28:55 AM

Shock
AND I has been proven time and time again that your entries are a bunch of B@#$S&*t!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 10:13:06 AM

That's exactly what they do here where I live. Your bill is separated into two sections. Transmitting costs and electrical production costs. The people who own solar have been screaming bloody murder about having to help shoulder the costs of the transmission systems they use.

There is a simple solution for these people. Make your already too expensive system even more expensive and purchase enough battery reserves to take yourself off grid. Of course the people who are considering that option want the taxpayers to pay the biggest chunk or the cost....
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 10:05:23 AM

More news about solar this morning in the local paper. Now they are talking about wanting the solar folks to pay a flat fee each month to be hooked to the grid - to pay for the costs of maintaining the local grid. Sounds like they want to split the bill for everyone into two parts (not counting the taxes and [fees] etc). They want a separate line for the costs to be grid tied and a separate line for the costs of the power you use. Sounds fair to me.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 9:04:56 AM

According to Energy Department figures, despite millions in subsidies and government loans, solar power is projected to remain a tiny portion of overall electricity generation in the U.S.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 3:31:33 PM

Some discussion in the local papers here. They are going to revisit the "net metering" thing for the folks who want solar here. It seems a couple of years ago the libs got a law passed that the solar users would get the retail price of power credited on their bill when they occasionally produced more power than they were using.

However the power companies figured out that paying them retail prices was not fair to everyone else. Seems that the solar folks were not paying their fair share of the costs of maintaining the grid in town and the cost of the generating plants etc that are part of the retail cost of power. So pretty soon the solar folks will only be paid what the local town pays the electric producers for power.

Sounds a lot more fair to me. After all why should everyone else pay for the solar folks to play with their toys.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 3:30:26 PM

Chiefaz, the solar panels deliver a lot more current at noon than they do at 7 PM.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 1:58:53 PM

Whatever chief. It's been proven over and over again that your figures don't add up...

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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 1:49:55 PM

Shock
The only thing bogus on the topic is you!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 12:46:38 PM

More bogus figures...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 12:16:01 PM

Oilpan4
You speak of peak. My cells make electricity for the whole day. I get 14 hours of production during the summer and 10 hours during the winter. It's enough to give me negative cost on my electricity. I get enough to pay cover my usage for the year with a little left over to sell at Christmas time.
I'm am very happy with my system and endorse it for anyone that has the ability to use it.
Pretty soon Uncle Sugar will be giving it to the Freeloaders to power
their free homes!
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 9:13:58 PM

So how many hours do you get any where near peak production from your solar?

You are not going to get more than 4 to 5 hours of peak unless the panels are on trackers. Which are expensive and always the first thing to break on a solar power system.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 8:55:13 PM

I live in Arizona. I have a much larger window than 4 to 5 hours!
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 12:55:57 PM

"When they take down our Nuke Plant outside of Phoenix for maintenance
it produces "no electricity". Must be a fatal flaw?"

That is called scheduled maintenance. And yes it will be "broke" because what ever they are doing I am sure they will be taking apart some very important systems. Which effectively makes them broke. All complex systems like a power plant will have scheduled shutdowns for maintenance.
The only fatal flaw I associate with nuclear is the current fuel life cycle process, but that problem is purely political.

The amount of time a nuclear plant produces will look something like 24 hours a day 7 days a week for years at a time, daytime, nighttime, rain or shine. A nuclear plant will shut down for a week or 2 for refueling and shut downs of up to a year for major upgrades, repairs every and life extension once every 10 to 25 years.

The problem with solar is you cant make it produce when you need it to and it cant be forced to produce and there is no way to fix that. You have a 4 to 5 hour window a day where it might work given no clouds or snow, there is your fatal flaw.

[Edited by: oilpan4 at 12/9/2014 1:02:28 PM EST]
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 12:05:06 PM

They know when that nuclear power plant will be down and for how long, and can decide when that is.
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 11:42:58 AM

Chiffy - what % of the time is that nukey plant down vs what % of time your solar plant is 'down'?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 11:25:07 AM

Oilpan4
When they take down our Nuke Plant outside of Phoenix for maintenance
it produces "no electricity". Must be a fatal flaw?
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2014 11:40:17 AM

So chief.
We still need another phrase to replace "fatal flaw" when describing solar power systems.
So else would you call it when normal conditions both random and expected cause a system produce as little as to 0% output for as much as 0 hours a day?
When a system produces near 0 output for 0 hours a day then the only other word for that I can think of to describe that condition is: "broken".



[Edited by: oilpan4 at 12/8/2014 11:45:37 AM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2014 11:20:55 AM

Shock
You would not know a honest mind even if you found one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2014 10:03:39 AM

Not a negative mind chief, just an honest one...
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 10:32:00 PM

Negative mind? So just have faith and physics will change?
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 10:07:04 PM

When you have a normal condition that causes a system to not function any where near designed capacity what would you call it?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 6:38:07 PM

If 'alternate' energy sources were so great the taxpayers would not have to pay people to install them.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 6:02:09 PM

Shock
Another negative mind heard from??????????????
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 11:55:41 AM

They are only fatal flaws when you want to have electricity to use when it's dark, or when it's cloudy, or if it snows, or if you want to pay something close to commercial prices for it...

Other then that it's just Jim Dandy!

LOL!!



[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 12/7/2014 11:57:20 AM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2014 11:47:47 AM

Oilpan
Those are not fatal flaws of Solar. They are the thoughts of a negative mind.
If others thought like you we would still be in the dark ages.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 1:07:10 PM

Fatal flaws of solar?
Off the top of my head I can think of:
Night time
Clouds
Snow
The north east
dust/dirt
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 5:58:47 AM

Chieffy's accusations are just a red herring to divert attention from the fact that he made up the numbers on his solar panels.
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 5:37:49 AM

no
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 2:25:42 AM

"I'm still waiting for someone to show me how it is economically viable to 'go solar'. "

Use someone else's money.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 2:56:59 PM

Five Fatal Flaws of Solar Energy
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 2:54:39 PM

Ten Reasons Intermittent Renewables (Wind and Solar PV) are a Problem
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 5:09:45 PM

Shock - thanks - I get tired of talking to a brick wall. What chiffey calls subsidies are things most folks wouldn't think are subsidies but let him laze away his days in the land of delusions and deNile. I hope his unicorn he pastures in his back yard doesn't pollute the air too much.

He would probably call my retirement a subsidy also.

But for some strange reason we can never - but never - get an accurate accounting of the real costs of his hobby system. I wonder why that is?

Where I lie its a paradise for the solar folks - lots of sunshine all year around. We have companies that continually try to peddle the solar song here. But those who buy the BS are few and far between.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 1:29:52 PM

Flyboy
Seems you still don't want to talk about all the subsidies that you receive?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 11:56:17 AM

Fine by me ID.... I'm still waiting for someone to show me how it is economically viable to 'go solar'.

Unless the solar is subsidized by the rest of the utility users/taxpayers it does not seem that it will ever pay off the costs to install and maintain it as opposed to being just grid tied like most of us.
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 11:17:25 AM

ldheinz - "Anyone mind if we talk about solar panels? "
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2014 12:24:24 PM

Flyboy
Seems like you don't want to address all the subsidies that you receive?
A slip of the genius mind or an admission?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2014 3:33:49 PM

Chiffey you personal attacks are comical at best.

I use the name flyboy because my hobby is RC airplanes.

The sad fact is still that solar would not be economically viable if the rest of the people tied to the grid did not subsidize your hobby.

Calling me a liberal is so interesting. Ask some others around here if I am a liberal or not. Yet you are the one who demands to live like a liberal and have others pay for you to play with your solar toys.
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2014 3:18:40 PM

Flyboy
Hey the stupid genius is back . I see he is still peddling his liberal line. I wonder who paid his schooling to make him a genius.
Did he go to a private school, probably not. Meaning his education was heavily subsidized by the public. I'll bet he drives on streets that are
heavily subsidized by the public.
If he goes to church, what would you call those tax breaks?
So the genius is against me getting a subsidy for my solar at the same time just about everything he does is subsidized.
He calls himself Flyboy, implying a service connection. Guess who subsidized your flight training.
These genius'make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 11/27/2014 3:19:29 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 11:25:30 AM

Suuuuuuuuure Solar has been proven.....

It has been proven to be not cost effective. That is why it has to be subsidized by others to induce math challenged folks like you chiefy to waste the time to put it on your homes.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 11:16:48 AM

Shock
You don't refuse your food stamps, free phone, free health care, free
schooling and free rent.
Why would you deny me my solar subsidy when I'm paying for all of your freebies???????????
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 11:33:11 AM

Sure Chief, it works for you, as long as it has your massive liberal taxpayer funded handouts to make it affordable.

On it's own. The figures just don't add up, as has been demonstrated over and over again...
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