101Speedster
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:17:03 AM
It doesn't matter. Those in power in this country refuse to enforce our immigration laws.
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ShanC
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:36:54 PM
>Maybe they can deliver the mail on Saturdays.
Funniest thing I have seen today.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:29:25 PM
Maybe they can deliver the mail on Saturdays.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 5:15:13 PM
101Speedster: "So once again we are going to blame Bush or the Republicans for what happened six months after Obama was elected?"
ShanC: "For unemployment, probably not 6 months, no."
Thank you.
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ShanC
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 3:54:38 PM
>So once again we are going to blame Bush or the Republicans for what
>happened six months after Obama was elected?
For unemployment, probably not 6 months, no.
QUESTION: Do you think that when a President is inaugurated, that any plan that administration formulates can be pushed through the Senate and House of Representatives to become a Law AND that the new Law will have some affect upon unemployment and the economy - all within 3 months?
>That might be an argument if Obama had been able to get the unemployment rate
>down to 6.5% or less, but that hasn't happened in the last four plus years
1) Why would that make for an argument or not about what the rate was during January to April 2009? That makes no logical sense at all. The fact of what it was during that specific time frame is completely irrelevant to what had happened after that time frame. It either was those numbers or it was not.
2) I agree that not enough was done to re-surge the economy and unemployment rate during Obama's first term.
>. . . and it doesn't look like it will be happening any time soon.
Since, as I have repeatedly stated, it take *time* for such affects to occur - this is of course true and is known. (I really do not remember when unemployment was able to drop by a full percent in a month.)
>How long are democrats going to continue to blame the negative things about
>this economy on the Republicans?
It is not Democrat vs Republican. It is simply facts involving time.
>Bell30012, do you need help reading the chart below?
Bell30012 probably does not. Just as Bell30012 does not seem to need any help in *comprehending* the basics involved in economics - like how changes actually take *time*.
>Do you remember when Obama was voted into office? Yes, the facts are there.
>Can you see them?
The *data* about the unemployment rate is there.
The *facts* about how long it takes for things that occur in our Government to have any impact on the unemployment rate is what is being taught to you now.
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stlhawk
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 2:38:11 PM
Just the one word answers it..."Illegal"
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:51:03 AM
So once again we are going to blame Bush or the Republicans for what happened six months after Obama was elected? That might be an argument if Obama had been able to get the unemployment rate down to 6.5% or less, but that hasn't happened in the last four plus years . . . and it doesn't look like it will be happening any time soon.
How long are democrats going to continue to blame the negative things about this economy on the Republicans?
>>ShanC, shame on you. Confusing people with facts.<<
Bell30012, do you need help reading the chart below? Do you remember when Obama was voted into office? Yes, the facts are there. Can you see them?
[Edited by: 101Speedster at 2/3/2013 11:52:36 AM EST]
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 10:49:44 AM
ShanC, shame on you. Confusing people with facts.
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ShanC
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 9:43:42 AM
>Looks like you are wrong, ShanC.
06/2008 = 5.6%
07/2008 = 5.8%
08/2008 = 6.1%
09/2008 = 6.1%
10/2008 = 6.5%
11/2008 = 6.8%
12/2008 = 7.3%
01/2009 = 7.8%
02/2009 = 8.3% - The first full month of Obama's Presidency.
03/2009 = 8.7%
04/2009 = 9.0%
As previously noted: Taking into consideration the time it takes for any Bills to get passed into Law, and the time it would take for any such Laws to provide any effect on unemployment - it is known by those with knowledge of Politics and Economics that indicators (such as unemployment) during those first few months of a Presidency are the extended result of the previous Presidency.
Now please proved your proof as to how I am wrong about that.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 12:02:31 AM
Remember when Obama and his people used to brag about how many jobs they saved? LOL
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 2:04:49 AM
ShanC: "What *did* happen during the Obama administration was taking the Bush administration's unemployment rate of 9.0% down to 7.8%."
>>The seasonally adjusted unemployment rate rose from 4.3% in January 2001, peaking at 6.3% in June 2003 and reaching a trough of 4.4% in March 2007. After an economic slowdown, the rate rose again to 6.1% in August 2008 and up to 7.2% in December 2008.<<
Looks like you are wrong, ShanC.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 12:04:34 AM
they are illegal, either deport them by enforcing the law, or just shoot them like some middle eastern countries do? wait, this is the lib administration, i forgot, give them a home, free education, food stamps, free health care, let them send 80% of their earnings back to mexico, oh and give them voting rights, a cell phone, a car with no insurance, and a unicorn
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 11:22:15 PM
They are illegal.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 11:21:56 PM
They are illegal.
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ShanC
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 11:17:19 PM
>So you agree with me, ShanC, that Obama's unemployment rate has not gone down
>since he has been in office.
Obama does not have an unemployment rate.
The U.S. employment rate that skyrocketed up during the Bush administration's was of course not going to go down during the very beginning of the Obama administration. Economists never expected it to, and only people with a great degree of ignorance would expect any immediate effects on unemployment to come about from any changes. (ie: Smart people know things take time.)
What *did* happen during the Obama administration was taking the Bush administration's unemployment rate of 9.0% down to 7.8%.
>How about within four years?
Which is what happened from the Bush 9.0% (or more) to 7.8%.
{ 9.0 > 7.8 }
The same thing goes for the DJIA.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 10:01:06 PM
I wonder how the illegals will accept having to learn english.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 10:01:02 PM
I wonder how the illegals will accept having to learn english.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 10:00:55 PM
I wonder how the illegals will accept having to learn english.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2013 8:05:32 AM
So you agree with me, ShanC, that Obama's unemployment rate has not gone down since he has been in office.
>>Obama took office in the second half of January. Now of course it is technically impossible for a President to implement a plan (even if already devised) for employment recovery within a month or two.<<
How about within four years?
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ShanC
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 8:41:58 PM
>Is it any wonder that the unemployment rate has not gone down
>since Obama took over as president?
In January 2009 the unemployment rate was 7.8%, and had already been on an upward trend: 09/2008 = 6.1%, 10/2008 = 6.5%, 11/2008 = 6.8%, 12/2008 = 7.3%.
Notice the upward trend. Given the severity of the economic crash, it was naturally expected to continue to increase.
Obama took office in the second half of January. Now of course it is technically impossible for a President to implement a plan (even if already devised) for employment recovery within a month or two. Also an impossibility is the actual effects of any plan to come about immediately. The economy, employment rate, and many other things actually take *time* to respond to implemented changes.
In October 2009 the unemployment rate was 10.0%.
Since then it has been on a downward trend to the current 7.8% in December 2012.
The only that could be a negative there would be that from January 2009 to November 2009 (the start of recovery), it could have taken a few months less - like maybe August or September.
All the rest of the data is contrary to what you posted.
In fact, during Obama's first term, he took the unemployment rate down 2.2% (from 10.0 to 7.8).
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HEDGEHOGS
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 8:01:06 PM
not necessarily, considering that they do a lot of the jobs that nobody else wants to do. check out the service industry.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 10:30:19 AM
I guess Obama would rather have ILLEGAL aliens employed than American citizens. Is it any wonder that the unemployment rate has not gone down since Obama took over as president?
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regulate_now
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:16:53 PM
Mswiggy, great story! We arrested 3 illegal aliens on a military base here in Indiana and when we tried to give them over to federal authorities (ICE)- they refused to take them and they were subsequently released and just banned from the base!
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:10:57 PM
Soon they will be legal, and given status over born american citizens
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 11:39:17 AM
Maybe we can use new technology like FedEx has to keep a closer watch on employers that hire ILLEGAL aliens.
I've heard that they now have computers that can keep track of many things. ;)
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 5:15:54 PM
mswiggy,
That is a dream come true story.
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:49:09 PM
Mirna Valenzuela took a trip to Tucson, Arizona’s Casino del Sol Resort with her daughter Zamira Osorio, and hit a $1200 jackpot win. But the lucky win turned unlucky very quickly when events led to Valenzuela’s deportation to Mexico. Federal law requires that winners of $1200 or more show identification for tax purposes. When Valenzuela presented her ID, casino officials suspected it was fraudulent, and called the tribal Pascua Yaqui police. After investigating they determined that the ID was valid, but that Valenzuela and her daughter were undocumented immigrants from Mexico. The mother and daughter were turned over to U.S. Border Patrol and arrested. Valenzuela was deported and Osorio was released under the DREAM act. Casino CEO, Wendell Long said, “We’re not here to deport people,” and that this is the first time since the casino’s 2001 opening that an incident of this type has occurred. Regardless, Zamira Osorio said that her family felt discriminated against and that Casino del Sol Resort should put up a sign that they don’t want illegal immigrants playing at their casino. While the situation is sad, Valenzuela is doing all right and her winnings are still at the casino, where she’ll have to claim them in person with a valid id
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 9:35:20 AM
"Maybe we can put together some type of boycott of any business that is found to hire ILLEGAL aliens"
Wow speedy. I think that's the only smart thing I have ever seen you post...
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RogerB
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 8:56:47 AM
Yes!!
Ship those Aliens back to the planet they came from!
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 4:36:45 PM
Maybe we can put together some type of boycott of any business that is found to hire ILLEGAL aliens.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 11:50:28 PM
Bluebird,
Obama promised immigration reform in his first year, among other things. Just one of the many campaign promises that he never had any intention of fulfilling. Just as well. When Obama says immigration reform, he really means amnesty.
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Bluebird333
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2012 6:37:59 AM
"You must not have been watching the debates, Bluebird. "
I'm sorry for not being glued to the TV, but I did watch bits and pieces of the 1st and 3rd and I was working while the 2nd one was on.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 8:37:48 AM
>>Maybe if Romney would have said he was going to crack down on this he would have won.<<
You must not have been watching the debates, Bluebird.
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Bluebird333
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2012 2:51:40 AM
I am completely against it, they get away with taking are money back to their country and they don't have to pay taxes. Maybe if Romney would have said he was going to crack down on this he would have won.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2012 9:20:44 PM
Stop being a troll, Shock.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2012 9:11:15 PM
What's that speedy? That you might have a reading disability?
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 11/8/2012 9:11:43 PM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2012 5:28:27 PM
Didn't we discuss that topic two months ago, Shock? I don't think that was the first time that you brought it up.
[Edited by: 101Speedster at 11/8/2012 5:30:31 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2012 9:51:33 AM
"So, Shock, you are saying that someone that exceeds 65 mph on the highway is the same as an MS-13 gangster coming into the United States ILLEGALLY to sell drugs, rob, rape, and murder?"
What I'm saying is that a person, who chooses to disobey the laws after claiming that without them there is chaos, is a hypocrite.
Do you have some kind of reading disability?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2012 12:30:25 AM
Immigration reform = amnesty.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2012 2:45:17 PM
"Are you against ILLEGAL aliens working in the United States?"
I am against ILLEGAL aliens being in the United States!
That is all...
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2012 2:23:48 PM
The Native Americans are an example of a people that had a weak immigration policy and a poor department of defense. Are we headed down that same road?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2012 1:39:38 PM
Or would you rather have Americans working?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 4:53:19 PM
>>So speedy, when you choose to ignore the laws, that creates even more chaos.<<
So, Shock, you are saying that someone that exceeds 65 mph on the highway is the same as an MS-13 gangster coming into the United States ILLEGALLY to sell drugs, rob, rape, and murder?
Come on, Shock!
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Sep 7, 2012 1:54:41 AM
So, Shock, are you agreeing with me that laws in the United States should be obeyed?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2012 10:00:43 AM
So speedy, when you choose to ignore the laws, that creates even more chaos. Hypocrite...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2012 9:47:32 AM
What I am saying, Shock, is that without laws you have chaos.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2012 6:55:06 PM
There are even special scholarships for illegals only now. As I have said before if you are illegal get out. Do not pass go do not collect a tax refund, do not collect food stamps and don’t stop to have your anchor baby on my dime, just go home.
[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 8/29/2012 6:56:38 PM EST]
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anthroMO
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2012 10:23:07 AM
Illegals do not pay taxes. They get free insurance.
Everything is free for them.
Am I exaggerating?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2012 3:27:18 PM
"You got me there, Shock. I do like to drive faster than 65 mph. Also, time is money."
So what you are saying speedy is that it's ok to break the law, as long as you find some benefit for it?
Seems like you agreeing that the illegals are justified breaking the law, since they majority break the law for the same reason you do... Money....
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2012 11:46:54 AM
so speedy you have just said that your few minutes your saving by breaking the speed laws are more important than risking someone elses life by your excessive speed.
Since when is a few minutes in your day balanced by knowingly risking someone elses life? How about you try and tell us why your couple of minutes and or few bucks is more important.
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