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101Speedster

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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2005 3:12:20 PM

If so, how do you define rich?
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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 1:46:52 AM

I don't object to a progressive tax system, even though most of my work career I've been in the higher tax brackets.

I object to worthless, mathematically challenged, demagogues claiming they can spend trillions of dollars on all sorts of stupid things, then claiming it won't cost "us" anything because they'll just tax the "rich."

The math doesn't work, even if you define "rich" as anyone with a paying job.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 6:42:03 PM

RJ - why exempt any income. Do these folks who you wish to exempt not use the services of the govt? Fair means everyone pays the same percentage on their income ---- regardless of source.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:49:31 PM

teacher_tim - "How about everyone pays the exact same flat tax rate on everything? The more you make, the more you pay, regardless of source. Everything from dividends and capital gains to welfare and WIC is taxed exactly the same. If there is money coming in to an individual, they pay a set tax rate on it, just like everyone else. No exemptions, no tax breaks for ANYTHING."

So, increase the burden on the poor, make it harder for them to get ahead, just so the rich have even more money?

The only way a flat tax makes sense is if there's a substantial individual exemption. Say, the first $30,000 of income is exempt from income tax, indexed to inflation. Keep it simple.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:46:17 PM

Chiefaz - "The rich pay over 70% of the taxes now. And that's only the income taxes."

Only if you consider anyone making over $100,000 "rich".

"If we could get the bottom 50%, probably including you, pay some taxes, we would be much better off. It's called sharing the bounty and sharing the burden."

If we could get the wealthy to share the "bounty", by paying those who do the actual work more, there'd be no need to raise taxes.



[Edited by: rjhenn at 10/22/2014 5:51:53 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:53:41 PM

Yeaaaaaaaaa for Tim - I am for it.....

Everyone pays the exact same rate on any kind of incoming in. Now that sounds fair.

NO exceptions, special types of income, deductions or none of that.

The tax system or forms could be real simple - What was your total income regardeless of source - multiply it by the country wide everyone's equal % and send it in.

Simple and fair. We all benefit from living here and we should all pay to operate it. No more free rides for anyone.

Oh yeah - one more minor change - the penalty for failing to pay your taxes will be expulsion from the country.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 10/22/2014 12:54:42 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:28:44 PM

"The rich are the only group which can afford to pay more taxes without feeling it."

So now you're saying that we should pay based on what we feel would be appropriate. Or is it that some arbitrary "doesn't bother me" quotient would be better?

How about everyone pays the exact same flat tax rate on everything? The more you make, the more you pay, regardless of source. Everything from dividends and capital gains to welfare and WIC is taxed exactly the same. If there is money coming in to an individual, they pay a set tax rate on it, just like everyone else. No exemptions, no tax breaks for ANYTHING.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:20:30 PM

Weaselspit
The rich pay over 70% of the taxes now. And that's only the income taxes.
Add all the rest property taxes, taxes on vehicles, planes and other toys that the rich like and their contribution to the country is tremendous.
If we could get the bottom 50%, probably including you, pay some taxes, we would be much better off. It's called sharing the bounty and sharing the burden.
Ever get your white bard straightened out?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:47:52 PM

"I thought this was supposed to be a discussion about the rich paying taxes."

Me too.

I don't see why we anybody would e opposed to the rich returning to the levels of taxes they were paying prior to W. Those taxation levels certainly weren't hurting the economy, and clearly the cuts haven't benefitted the economy...

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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:44:34 PM

I thought this was supposed to be a discussion about the rich paying taxes.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 3:03:29 PM

"Evidently you haven't either after your Sept personal note to RJHenn!"

Are you still spamming this thread?

You can lead a horse to water....
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:11:43 PM

Weaselspit
Evidently you haven't either after your Sept personal note to RJHenn!
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 10:58:12 AM

The rich are the only group which can afford to pay more taxes without feeling it.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:32:10 AM

Just ignoring you ;)

You manage to figure out that tricky white board function yet?

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 10/21/2014 9:32:50 AM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 10:29:28 PM

Weaselspit
You must be sleeping, no reply?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 10:27:22 PM

Weaselspit
On 15 sept you sent a personal note to RJhenn. Duh?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 12:40:39 PM

Since that was apparently too hard, here is a link...
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 11:40:18 AM

Weaselspit
Bug off!
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2014 11:21:46 AM

Chief - stop spamming the thread to send personal messages to rjhenn and use the whiteboard feature on his page...

Thanks in advance.

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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 7:32:28 PM

RJ
Are you still out there?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 4:44:51 PM

RJhenn
You sure are touchy on this subject. Yes, I know the difference between
active duty and reserves. I had both working for me at Danang AB I Corp.
I'll drop the subject before you let something slip.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 2:46:23 PM

Chief, do you understand the difference between "active duty" and "Reserves"?

But, yeah, I was in the Reserves.

From '79 to '82.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 12:09:30 PM

Chief - you know you can just write on rj's whiteboard, right?

Just sayin'... ;)
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:54:08 AM

RJHenn
In the military 1970 to 1979. 5 years of the Vietnam War. I know very few people who missed the war. You weren't in the Reserves by any chance, were you?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 8:23:35 AM

Heck yes "we're winning" !!! People are the same all over the world. You work hard, earn, and you want to enjoy the fruits of your own labor. You want to spend the money you worked hard for. As for China's (new) wealthy, as long as they didn't get rich by oppressing thousands of peasants-turned-factory-workers, polluting the environment, and breaking international law by dumping cheaply-made products in other countries around the world, I'm okay with them wanting to get their wealth away from a usurping central government. If they have done dastardly deeds in order to get rich, they need to spend more time in the logging camp.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 9/17/2014 8:23:54 AM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 12:14:39 AM

I75at7AM - "I guess they aren't buying into the communist mantra "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" so much anymore......."

Despite the fact that the PRC is ruled by the Communist Party, they're hardly Communist any more. Totalitarian, sure, but not really communist.

"(Rich, greedy bastages!)"

Does that mean we're winning? In the sense that they're becoming just like us?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 3:38:28 PM

Back to the topic - sort of.

Half of China’s wealthy want to emigrate within 5 years

I guess they aren't buying into the communist mantra "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" so much anymore.......

(Rich, greedy bastages!)
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 11:25:41 AM

RJHenn
Defensive aren't we? Just wanted to know if you had time in Nam.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 2:57:26 AM

Nope. What does that have to do with anything?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:45:27 PM

RJHenn
Any time in Nam?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 4:55:22 PM

Thank-you for your service, rj - I didn't realize that you were a Veteran.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 3:30:59 PM

Troller_Diesel - "Easy. If you have money that you earned and didn't get from a government benefit - you're rich!"

So someone who simply inherited a few billion is or isn't rich?

I mean, they didn't earn it, and they didn't get it from a government benefit (unless you regard the government's failure to tax the inheritance to death as a benefit).

There's also the question of whether, or how, you "earned" it. Did a drug kingpin, who "earned" his money by destroying lives, really "earn" it?

How about an industrialist, who "earned" his money by underpaying those who worked for him and ripping off his customers, possibly with the help of a corrupt government?

What if you simply stole it? Aren't you "rich"?

[Edited by: rjhenn at 9/15/2014 3:34:42 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 3:28:15 PM

Chiefaz - "What war was you in?"

I was active duty from '70-'79.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 2:46:47 PM

Easy. If you have money that you earned and didn't get from a government benefit - you're rich!

And Robin Hood of the Democrats must ride to the rescue of the poor and take it away from you!

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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 2:18:03 PM

We still need to define what "rich" is.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 11:12:54 AM

RJHenn
What war was you in?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:17:34 AM

Updated;

"WeaselSpit
What do you want me to contribute?
Something that you can understand?
Sorry, I missed kindergarten,"

You haven't mentioned the subject since 8/29, yet have posted '7' times since - all aimed at degrading other posters.

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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 8:41:29 PM

Chiefaz - "Someone has to fight you genius's wars? You start them, we have to finish them."

Sorry, Chief, wrong again. I did my time.

Though "genius" is pretty close to true. 7;-]

[Edited by: rjhenn at 9/14/2014 8:41:44 PM EST]
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 11:27:08 AM

RJhenn
Someone has to fight you genius's wars? You start them, we have to finish them.

[Edited by: Chiefaz at 9/14/2014 11:27:56 AM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2014 1:16:09 AM

Chiefaz - "Yep I was born a college graduate."

With the quality of your posts here, it's hard to believe you ever made buck sergeant, much less were allowed to re-up and made it to retirement.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2014 12:45:02 PM

RJhenn
Yep I was born a college graduate. Seems right with all the genuis' on these topics??????????????/
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 4:34:08 PM

"WeaselSpit
What do you want me to contribute?
Something that you can understand?
Sorry, I missed kindergarten,"

You haven't mentioned the subject since 8/29, yet have posted 5 times since - all aimed at degrading other posters.

Was that really too difficult to understand?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 4:01:31 PM

Chiefaz - "Sorry, I missed kindergarten,"

And, apparently, grades 1-12+.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 11:37:54 AM

WeaselSpit
What do you want me to contribute?
Something that you can understand?
Sorry, I missed kindergarten,
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 8:45:50 AM

"Weasel
Then why are you still here??????????????????"

Still waiting for you to contribute, 'chief'. ;)

Or did you forget that the topic is not about those who disagree with your POV regarding Obama?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 2, 2014 12:22:06 AM

Chiefaz - "Just the truth oh holey one?"

Reality doesn't agree with you.

In more ways than one.
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 12:06:12 PM

rjenn
Just the truth oh holey one?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 2:49:05 AM

Chiefaz - "You will be a realist when you get your head out?"

Projecting, Chief?
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Chiefaz
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2014 10:44:27 AM

Weasel
Then why are you still here??????????????????
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 7:11:46 PM

"Since when is realism "liberalism"?"

When you cannot contribute intellectually to the subject being discussed... ;)
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 7:11:03 PM

"That's Hillary Clinton's line. No matter what type of spin you attempt to place on the issue, capital is still after tax dollars. The higher the percentage of a person or corporation's income used to pay tax, the less that is left over as capital."

It is a variable that has little influence in (note I did not say "none"), despite what many in reality the GOP would like to believe.

But, spin away!
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