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jersey3730

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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2005 6:33:59 AM

It is said that politics is the second oldest profession, I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.

Ronald Reagan
(just named the Greatest american ever)
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 11:53:07 AM

"Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition. The immature mind often mistakes one for the other, or assumes that the greater the love, the greater the jealousy." - Robert A. Heinlein
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 11:06:12 AM

"A cannibal is a good deal like a Democrat, they are forced to live off each other. " - Will Rodgers
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 10:01:54 AM

“Corporate greed controls political will.”

-- Aaron B. Powell
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 12:15:58 AM


“I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”

~~~Thomas Jefferson
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:35:54 AM

“People ask me what I am politically and I've previously offered this equation: I became a conservative by being around liberals. And I became a libertarian after being around conservatives.”

-- Greg Gutfeld
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 12:08:18 AM


"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."

~~~Ayn Rand

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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 7:42:48 PM

“When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty and there is nothing to fear from them then he is always stirring up some wary or other in order that the people may require a leader.”

-- Plato
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 1:55:02 PM

“They who, from indifference, or with their eyes open, persist in hugging the traitor to their bosom, deserve to be insulted . . . deserve to be slaves, with no other music to soothe them but the clank of the chains which they have put on themselves and given to their offspring.” - John Randolph
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 8:51:55 AM

"Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered." - P. J. O'Rourke
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 2:23:14 AM

AnotherOne~ Your reply to me was:
"... liberals are much more like the opposite of what Cronkite claimed they were.
That is why I called his description 'dishonest'.
Because it was."


Cronkite's comment was, “I think being a liberal, in the true sense, is being nondoctrinaire, nondogmatic, non-committed to a cause - but examining each case on its merits.”

He plainly stated that he was defining a liberal *in the true sense* - which means he was defining “being a liberal” as having all the qualities which it should have, ideally.

[Ideally: as in relating to a standard of excellence]

Cronkite was not claiming that all liberals were “nondoctrinaire, nondogmatic, non-committed to a cause.”

Therefore, he was not painting “liberals in the most glowing terms to apparently defend them and make himself feel good and look good” as you asserted.

But I don't think anything will convince you; I won't continue posting on this topic.


[Edited by: drivebye at 10/29/2014 2:27:50 AM EST]
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 2:13:38 AM


"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions."

~~~Albert Einstein
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 5:21:28 PM

AnotherOne - "As such, he paints liberals in the most glowing terms to apparently defend them and make himself feel good and look good."

Actually, he was pointing out what "liberal" should mean, which is why he used the term "in the true sense", and contrasted that with "left of center".

Unfortunately, most of those on either the left or the right are simply "preordained dogmatists for a cause", incapable of thinking rationally about anything associated with that cause.
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 2:43:56 PM

"Some people question Barack Obama's competence because he appointed a man with no medical background to be the Ebola czar. But Obama is not trying to solve a medical problem. He is trying to solve a political problem, on the eve of an election — and a political partisan is the way to do that. Expecting Obama to be concerned about a medical threat to the American people is unrealistic, in view of the man's whole history." --- Tom Sowell
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 10:35:12 AM

“In less than a year, the Bush administration will strut out of office, leaving the country in roughly the same condition a toddler leaves a diaper.”

-- Graydon Carter
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 9:04:45 AM

"What would annoy the most people most often? That is the true left-wing test of government intervention." - P. J. O'Rourke

BTW, the definition of "liberal" and "conservative" has varied quite a lot over the years. By current standards, JFK was a conservative.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 6:29:19 AM



drivebye, "AnotherOne, I'm not clear about why you are calling Cronkite's definition "dishonest"?"

There is no doubt that Walter Cronkite was a liberal.

As such, he paints liberals in the most glowing terms to apparently defend them and make himself feel good and look good.

When in reality, liberals are much more like the opposite of what Cronkite claimed they were.

That is why I called his description 'dishonest'.

Because it was.

Have a great day, drivebye.
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 3:40:30 AM

AnotherOne, I'm not clear about why you are calling Cronkite's definition "dishonest"?

Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with Cronkite, it seems that he was merely stating what he *thinks* - an opinion, perhaps based on his rich personal/professional experiences.

I didn't get the sense that he was attempting to disguise it as anything substantiated or supported by documentary evidence .... say, for example, a body of doctrines concerning faith or morals, authoritatively stated and proclaimed by a religion.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 3:45:12 PM

"My wife once asked me why I vote for republicans when they only help rich people. I said hey, we're rich" - Charles Barkley
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 3:41:17 PM

"America can carry herself and get along in pretty fair shape, but when she stops and picks up the whole world and puts it on her shoulders she just can’t “get it done.” " - Will Rodgers
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 1:59:29 PM

AnotherOne - "And Cronkite's definition of a 'liberal' is very doctrinaire, dogmatic and committed to a cause.

And dishonest on top of it."

All of which describes just about every post you've ever made here.

"Don't you love how liberals define themselves in the most glowing and wonderful terms?"

You mean they feel about themselves the way you feel about yourself?

Of course, you completely missed Cronkite's point.

[Edited by: rjhenn at 10/27/2014 1:59:57 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 1:26:54 PM



And Cronkite's definition of a 'liberal' is very doctrinaire, dogmatic and committed to a cause.

And dishonest on top of it.

Don't you love how liberals define themselves in the most glowing and wonderful terms?

ROTFL

-my quote

;-)

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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 1:14:50 PM

“I think being a liberal, in the true sense, is being nondoctrinaire, nondogmatic, non-committed to a cause - but examining each case on its merits. Being left of center is another thing; it's a political position. I think most newspapermen by definition have to be liberal; if they're not liberal, by my definition of it, then they can hardly be good newspapermen. If they're preordained dogmatists for a cause, then they can't be very good journalists; that is, if they carry it into their journalism."

-- Walter Cronkite
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 11:24:15 AM

~
ncclyde,

Your last post was not only great but certainly worth heeding. If followed, it might just turn our feckless society around. I took the liberty to copy and add it to the "Things to remember when you vote" topic.

-MJ
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ncclyde
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 4:51:27 AM

"I'm telling you, that you need to know what each individual candidate stands for. And I know that that can be work, so if you don't have the time to do that, or you don't have the will to do that, then just sit out the election. Because an uninformed vote is the same thing as casting a blind vote. The next time you vote remember, elections have consequences. They're not just about who can say the right thing, and tickle your ears in the right way, and give you hope for things that may or may not ever come. They matter. The people you vote for will shape the laws you live under."

Kira Davis
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 3:30:09 AM

“For some reason we are brainwashed to think, if you're not a thug or an idiot, you're not black enough. If you go to school, make good grades, speak intelligent, and don't break the law, you're not a good black person.”

Charles Barkley
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 10:07:34 PM

“He believed that lack of education was the root of all of Pakistan’s problems. Ignorance allowed politicians to fool people and bad administrators to be re-elected.”

-- Malala Yousafzai
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 6:39:57 PM

"Democrats hate America being a world power because world power gives power to the nation instead of to Democrats." - P. J. O'Rourke
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 6:23:40 PM

Winston Churchill once said, ‘An appeaser is one who feeds an alligator in the hope it will eat him last.’
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 6:21:49 PM

Tom nails it again.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 6:06:28 PM

“Be not intimidated … nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.” –John Adams (1765)
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 5:57:53 PM

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until you see what it costs when it's free." - P. J. O'Rourke
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 5:41:06 PM

"Little girls and butterflies need no other reason for existence." Robert Heinlein
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 5:19:25 PM


"A wingnut is someone on the far-right wing or far-left wing of the political spectrum - the professional partisans, the unhinged activists and the paranoid conspiracy theorists. They're the people who always try to divide rather than unite us."

~~~John Avlon



"One tell-tale sign of a Wingnut: they always confuse partisanship with patriotism."

~~~John Avlon






[Edited by: drivebye at 10/26/2014 5:21:13 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 5:15:29 PM

SE3.5: "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."

It is possible [or probable] that Einstein was not the original source of that quote.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 1:37:27 PM

"There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as 'caring' and 'sensitive' because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's money." - P. J. O'Rourke
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 1:34:19 PM

"You know your children are growing up when they stop asking you where they came from and refuse to tell you where they're going." - P. J. O'Rourke
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 1:30:05 PM

"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."

--Albert Einstein
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 1:29:50 PM

"Thank you, Occupy Wall Street. With your vivid example of anticapitalist squalor, I've been able to convince all three of my children to become investment bankers." -P. J. O'Rourke
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 11:20:11 PM


"A laugh, if purchased at the expense of propriety, costs too much."

~~~Quintilian

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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 3:47:44 PM

"The world is being run by irresponsible spoiled brats." - P. J. O'Rourke
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 2:43:13 PM

"There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal, particularly in women. Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz 380SL convertible." - P. J. O'Rourke
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 5:46:42 AM

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”

-- Barry M. Goldwater
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 10:06:22 PM


"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

~~~Voltaire

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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 12:35:16 PM

"Getting rid of a delusion makes us wiser than getting hold of a truth."

Ludwig Börne
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 12:24:54 PM

"Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you."
Gerry Rafferty & Joe Egan
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:56:11 AM

"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." - P. J. O'Rourke
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:36:18 AM

“The rich don't have to kill to eat. They employ people, as they call it. The rich don't do evil themselves. They pay. People do all they can to please them, and everybody's happy.”

-- Louis-Ferdinand Céline
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 4:52:45 PM


“Elections belong to the people. It's their decision. If they decide to turn their back on the fire and burn their behinds, then they will just have to sit on their blisters.”

~~~Abraham Lincoln
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:41:28 AM

I love quotes by P. J. O'Rourke.

--me
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:34:28 AM

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." - P. J. O'Rourke
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