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jersey3730

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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2005 6:33:59 AM

It is said that politics is the second oldest profession, I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.

Ronald Reagan
(just named the Greatest american ever)
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:25:35 PM

"I maintain that it should cost as much to get married as it does to get divorced. Make it look like marriage is worth as much as divorce, even if it ain’t. That would also make the preachers financially independent like it has the lawyers." - Will Rodgers
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 12:15:13 PM

"You can be killed just as dead in an unjustified war as you can in one protecting your own home." - Will Rodgers
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 21, 2014 7:01:58 AM

What Wall Street and credit card companies are doing is really not much different from what gangsters and loan sharks do who make predatory loans. While the bankers wear three-piece suits and don't break the knee caps of those who can't pay back, they still are destroying people's lives.

-- Bernie Sanders
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 10:08:41 PM


"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."

~~~George W. Bush






[Edited by: drivebye at 10/20/2014 10:09:16 PM EST]
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 2:32:35 AM

“It's easy to hate and point out everything that is wrong with the world; it is the hardest and most important work in one's life to free oneself from the bonds of fear and attachment.”

-- Noah Levine
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:38:03 AM



Muhammad commanded:

“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him”

(Bukhari 9.84.57)
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:19:59 AM


"I once said cynically of a politician, 'He'll doublecross that bridge when he comes to it.'"

~~~Oscar Levant
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 11:19:27 AM

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

— Thomas Jefferson
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:33:37 AM

“When the goal of political action is no longer the defense of liberty, no word other than demagoguery can describe the despicable nature of politics.”

-- Ron Paul
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 2:09:32 AM


“The first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.”

~~~Thomas Sowell
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 7:19:04 AM

Satan has certainly been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years.”

-- Anton Szandor LaVey
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 4:24:20 PM

"I am a former Kleagle [recruiter] of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County . . . The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia. It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state in the union."

-- Robert C. Byrd, 1946, Democratic Senator from West Virginia, 1959-2010, Senate Majority Leader, 1977-80 and 1987-88, Senate President Pro Tempore, 1989-95, 2001-03, 2007-2010
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 10:04:00 AM

“What we have to do... is to find a way to celebrate our diversity and debate our differences without fracturing our communities. ”

-- Hillary Rodham Clinton
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 9:37:28 PM


"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."

~~~John Perry
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2014 5:21:24 AM


“It's been the same story ever since I can remember, ever since Wilson – the Republicans don't do a thing for the little man.”

-- John Updike
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 9:04:24 PM


"We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate."
~~~Thomas Jefferson
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Edger
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 7:59:10 PM


“You cannot get [Ebola] through casual contact like sitting next to someone on a bus.”

- b.h.obama
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nraacct
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 1:11:13 PM

"Big Brother is watching you." - George Orwell
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 5:47:00 AM


“Socialists ignore the side of man that is the spirit. They can provide you shelter, fill your belly with bacon and beans, treat you when you're ill, all the things guaranteed to a prisoner or a slave. They don't understand that we also dream.”

-- Ronald Reagan
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2014 2:34:59 AM


"I think tolerance is something everybody needs to be reminded of, especially in a reactionary political world. Well, actually, I should say, a reactionary political climate."

~~~Bruce Davison

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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2014 6:41:43 AM


“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”

-- John Stuart Mill
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2014 11:51:11 PM


“Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself.”

~~~Robert Green Ingersoll
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2014 7:53:32 AM

The whole dream of democracy is to raise the proletariat to the level of stupidity attained by the bourgeoisie.”

-- Gustave Flaubert
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 6:45:34 PM


"The media cause more problems than they do good."
~~~Chris Kyle


"Whoever controls the media, controls the mind."
~~~Jim Morrison


"All media exist to invest our lives with artificial perceptions and arbitrary values."
~~~Marshall McLuhan



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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 12:17:46 PM

News in America

(Technically not a quote, but effective nonetheless. Canadians will get it.)
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 6:13:07 AM

“There is beauty in truth, even if it's painful. Those who lie, twist life so that it looks tasty to the lazy, brilliant to the ignorant, and powerful to the weak. But lies only strengthen our defects. They don't teach anything, help anything, fix anything or cure anything. Nor do they develop one's character, one's mind, one's heart or one's soul.”

-- José N. Harris
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 1:50:58 AM


"A promising young man should go into politics so that he can go on promising for the rest of his life."

~~~Robert Byrne
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 7:21:39 AM

“Social conservatism and neoconservatism have revived authoritarian conservatism, and not for the better of conservatism or American democracy. True conservatism is cautious and prudent. Authoritarianism is rash and radical. American democracy has benefited from true conservatism, but authoritarianism offers potentially serious trouble for any democracy.”

-- John W. Dean
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 9:58:06 PM


“The hope of a new politics does not lie in formulating a left-wing reply to the right---it lies in rejecting conventional political categories.”

~~~Christopher Lasch
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 10:16:45 AM

If we can find the money to kill people, we can find the money to help people.

-- Tony Benn
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 2:52:46 AM


“There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.”

~~~Robert A. Heinlein








[Edited by: drivebye at 10/10/2014 2:55:39 AM EST]
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 2:49:54 AM

rjhenn,~~ “The problem with that is that if it isn't "wrong", according to your choice, then why should it be illegal?
Is there an inconsistency there? “
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No, I do not feel there is any inconsistency.

Just because it is my opinion/belief that my choice is not wrong, it doesn't mean that the law agrees with my opinion.

I originally placed “wrong” in quotation marks, to indicate a word used ironically or with some reservation. My use of “wrong” was intended to be: 'wrong' in the eyes of the law. I realize that it is a fact that we are required to abide by laws and are subject to legal consequences if we break laws, regardless of how we feel about them.

A quick example: Ted witnessed Joe vandalizing Ted's property on a couple of occasions. It is Ted's word against Joe's; law enforcement has not acted because Ted has not provided sufficient proof that Joe was the responsible party. After another incident, Ted is frustrated and impulsively vandalizes Joe's property. Ted may rationalize this action and even feel justified in making this choice, but he knows it is illegal. If Joe can prove to the police that Ted was responsible, Ted would be subject to legal consequences.

If you have further comments on this, I suggest we take this to our own whiteboards. I feel we have already beat this topic to death in “Great Quotes.”

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nraacct
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 12:50:38 PM

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:13:01 AM

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"...Further taxation of their populations is politically difficult, massive issuance of government debt has saturated bond markets, and so the easy target is smaller countries such as Switzerland which have gained the reputation of being "tax havens."

Remember that tax haven is just a term for a country that allows people to keep more of their own money than the US or EU does, and doesn't attempt to plunder either its citizens or its foreign account-holders…."

-Ron Paul
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 10:32:58 AM

“And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand.” - Augustine of Hippo, City of God
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 10:25:36 AM

Not that she's a political animal, she's just an ordinary woman, but as a woman she's of the view that you don't bring children into the world to have them shot.”

-- Hans Falla
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 1:34:52 AM

drivebye - "Based on that definition, a mentally competent person is able to choose right from wrong. In the event that the choice is “wrong” (e.g., harming others, not in self-defense), than that person would have to be subject to the legal consequences, as would you or I."

The problem with that is that if it isn't "wrong", according to your choice, then why should it be illegal?

Is there an inconsistency there?
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 11:58:27 PM

OK....

Not4nuthn, I will surmise that you are posing a sincere question, rather than attempting to yank my chain. . . . so, maybe my phrasing was not as precise as it should have been in my earlier post.

I typed, "and I still exclude political/religious moral busybodies."

By that statement I meant~~~ I, a mentally competent person, still believe that moral busybodies have no right to impose on me or thrust down my throat their political/religious beliefs simply because *they* may claim it is for my own good. . . therefore, I “exclude” [reject] them from my life.
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Not4Nuthn
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 10:32:40 PM

drivebye, you said- "Further, we should be able to decide, on an individual basis, what is morally right or wrong.. .

and I still exclude political/religious moral busybodies."


So do you mean "political/religious moral busybodies" are excluded from being able to to decide for themselves what is morally right or wrong?
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 9:45:42 PM


"Only very intelligent people don't wish they were in politics, and I'm dumb enough to want to be in there."

~~~Orson Welles
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 9:43:34 PM

rjhenn: “Within limits, primarily whether it harms others (with a few exceptions such as self defense). ”

This was in reference to one of my comments, "Further, we should be able to decide, on an individual basis, what is morally right or wrong."
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Naturally, you have the right to use that amendment, if you choose. I find that reasonable “limits” are often applied [explicitly or implicitly) when discussing various rights.... And defining “reasonable” merits a separate topic, at another time.


My definition of mental competence is in accord with thelawdictionary.org~ “term applied to a person's mental ability and choosing right from wrong and having the ability to express themselves.”

Based on that definition, a mentally competent person is able to choose right from wrong. In the event that the choice is “wrong” (e.g., harming others, not in self-defense), than that person would have to be subject to the legal consequences, as would you or I.

I am satisfied with my original statements: As long as mental competence is not an issue, we should have the right to decide for ourselves what is "for our own good." Further, we should be able to decide, on an individual basis, what is morally right or wrong.. .

and I still exclude political/religious moral busybodies.

[Edited by: drivebye at 10/8/2014 9:53:18 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 2:50:17 PM

drivebye - "Further, we should be able to decide, on an individual basis, what is morally right or wrong."

Within limits, primarily whether it harms others (with a few exceptions such as self defense).
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 12:12:45 PM

"People who like sausage and obey the law should never watch either one being made." - Otto von Bismarck

Not4nuthn - "drivebye: but aren't you agreeing with T_D, that liberals are "those who torment us for our own good" and "will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences"?? "

Actually, when I heard that I immediately thought of christians who proselytize endlessly. It's definitely true of all groups, not just liberals.

[Edited by: ldheinz at 10/8/2014 12:17:32 PM EST]
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RockCity
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 10:04:55 AM

As people do better, they start voting like Republicans- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.

-- Karl Rove
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 3:32:09 AM

Not4nuthn: "but aren't you agreeing with T_D, that liberals are "those who torment us for our own good" and "will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences"??"

---NO--- I was making 2 points:

1] Those who "torment us for our own good. . .with the approval of their consciences" are not limited to liberals or any one specific political party. More precisely, they can (and do) hail from all points of the political spectrum from left-wing to centrist/moderate to right-wing. Thus, my comment was "'Moral busybodies' come in all sizes, shapes, and political persuasions."

2] As long as mental competence is not an issue, we should have the right to decide for ourselves what is "for our own good." Further, we should be able to decide, on an individual basis, what is morally right or wrong.

Deliberate guilt-tripping, whether by individuals or organizations [political and/or religious] is, at the very least, both intrusive and abusive, IMHO.





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Not4Nuthn
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 2:37:04 AM

drivebye: but aren't you agreeing with T_D, that liberals are "those who torment us for our own good" and "will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences"??
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 1:49:50 AM

Troller_Diesel, RE: "Best argument ever against liberalism and the nanny state"

"...those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."
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As long as *we* are mentally competent, who has the right to determine what is "for our own good"?

"'Moral busybodies' come in all sizes, shapes, and political persuasions."
---drivebye



[Edited by: drivebye at 10/8/2014 1:51:32 AM EST]
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drivebye
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 1:24:42 AM


"The curse of me and my nation is that we always think things can be bettered by immediate action of some sort, any sort rather than no sort."


~~~Ezra Pound









[Edited by: drivebye at 10/8/2014 1:25:32 AM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2014 1:07:58 AM

Troller_Diesel - "Best argument ever against liberalism and the nanny state:"

Also applies to those moral busybodies who want to 'cure' homosexuals, and ban drugs and abortion. For your own good, of course.
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 10:22:26 PM



Troller Diesel, WOW!

Stunning quote.

And from CS Lewis no less! I had never heard that one.

THANK YOU!

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