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mnelu

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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2005 4:28:25 PM

I opened this as a new topic to clear other threads from this debate. To be fair and balanced, I am not going to write anything in the initial message which is going to stay on top.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 8:42:24 AM

They retort, Then most deride
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2013 5:52:47 PM

I thought this was settled. It's clearly unfair and unbalanced.
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2ovrpar
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2013 1:47:32 PM

They report, you decide.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 12:19:45 PM

"...even a hotrod recklessly racing down the right side of the road can see, that Fox, like its late little sister, "News of the World" is a family affair."

Ha ha, that's funny, well not really. You assume too much, Passer, both in regard to my handle (it's not about my driving), and in trying deperately to tie FNC to Murdoch's other enterprises by assigning familial relationships to businesses. If you have evidence that FNC shares more than just common ownership with News of the World, then by all means, please share. Until then, it's just a lame, failed attempt at an analogy.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 5:25:39 AM

only one that is fair...
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Passer
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 1:47:47 AM

"Moving on from one failed analogy to another, I see."

With Murdoch, even a hotrod recklessly racing down the right side of the road can see, that Fox, like its late little sister, "News of the World" is a family affair.

The analogies, rather than "failing" are prophetic.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2013 8:23:35 PM

"Getting back to Fox News, that is a nasty thing to say about Fox: that just because they usually "go full throttle without thinking at all" that they are therefore "leftist"."

Oh, FNC are the "leftists" now? FAIL

"...sister organization...Daddy Murdoch...sibling Fox...All Daddy's children...out of wedlock...grandchildren..."

Moving on from one failed analogy to another, I see.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2013 6:34:03 PM

"...and the reckless ones who go full throttle without thinking at all go to the left."

Getting back to Fox News, that is a nasty thing to say about Fox: that just because they usually "go full throttle without thinking at all" that they are therefore "leftist".

Their sister organization, "News of the World" also went "full throttle without thinking at all" to such an extent that Daddy Murdoch had to shut them down. But, like sibling Fox, they were not "leftist". Quite the opposite.

But the point here is:

All Daddy's children deserve the same fate because daddy is a Journalistic Pimp. Too much of what he "reports" is out of wedlock with the facts making his grandchildren basically fact bas--ds.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2013 9:56:11 AM

"...the slow thinkers or drivers tend to stay to the right!"

...and the reckless ones who go full throttle without thinking at all go to the left.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2013 9:49:08 AM

<<FNC is apparently too middle-of-the-road; they've lost a lot of viewers (including me) to BlazeTV. If you stay in the middle of the road too long, you get run over.>>

Wow! lol
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Passer
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2013 1:13:11 AM

"If you stay in the middle of the road too long, you get run over."

Perhaps, but on the political highways as well as the paved ones, the slow thinkers or drivers tend to stay to the right!
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2013 1:01:43 PM

FNC is apparently too middle-of-the-road; they've lost a lot of viewers (including me) to BlazeTV. If you stay in the middle of the road too long, you get run over.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2013 12:58:47 PM

MahopacJack, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make about the FOX reporter not revealing her sources. She's certainly not the only reporter to ever be in that situation, and I don't believe it has anything to do with whether FNC is fair and balanced in their reporting. It's not, to my knowledge, a right vs. left issue.
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 7:55:57 PM

The Drudge Report is more fair and balanced than Fox News.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 12:26:49 PM

Fox News Reporter will face Judge regarding providing sources of confidential information about James Holmes shooting spree last July. Has any other news outlet besides Fox, covered this?

[Edited by: MahopacJack at 4/6/2013 12:29:09 PM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 2:06:26 PM

"You are correct about that, of course. I am sorry I didn't waste more of my time on this ridiculous Fox story to get the facts completely straight."

Ridiculous is right, but what you referenced and linked to was not a Fox story. As I read it, the original Fox story about Crowder being assaulted was newsworthy, as it showed the true colors of the union thugs at the protest. The non-story about the prosecutor not wanting to prosecute the crime was the ridiculous part. Also, there were really no "facts" to speak of, just your average smear job by Fox's competitors (if you can call them that, considering they aren't much competition to FNC).

[Edited by: HotRod10 at 3/29/2013 2:10:21 PM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 11:56:04 AM

"an offhand comment by a prosecutor is not a court ruling"

You are correct about that, of course. I am sorry I didn't waste more of my time on this ridiculous Fox story to get the facts completely straight.
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ZennieWA
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 6:21:38 PM

<<FOX is easily as fair and balanced as MSNBC or CNN or ...>>

So in other words they are neither fair nor balanced because MSNBC has gone off the deep end lately and CNN is pretty close behind. But then again FOX did go to court to defend their right to lie and mislead their followers.
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 6:00:18 PM

Leno hasn't been funny in 10 years. Personally I look forward to Fallon taking over the show.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 5:53:26 PM

"Bwaaahaaahaaa!
Thanks, I needed that laugh!"

I've always gotten more laughs from Hannity than Leno. But to give Leno his due, Leno has always worked harder at it.





[Edited by: Passer at 3/28/2013 5:55:24 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 2:13:51 PM

Passer,
So only FOX selectively edits?!

Bwaaahaaahaaa!
Thanks, I needed that laugh!

FOX is easily as fair and balanced as MSNBC or CNN or ...

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 3/28/2013 2:18:06 PM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 2:04:48 PM

"Remember back when Steve Crowder was punched by a guy at some protest in Michigan? Turns out a court has ruled that the puncher acted in self-defense. Not that anyone would selectively edit footage at Fox News, of course."

Oh, by "selectively edit" you mean that they didn't include the part where the "victim" (the guy who punched Crowder) was supposedly pushed by someone (or not) and fell down, and therefore was justified in punching Crowder, who he assumed pushed him. Sounds like a prosecutor with an agenda to me, saying the guy acted in self defense by punching someone who may or may not have even touched him. A prosecutor with any integrity would have just said there was not enough evidence to prove the attack was unprovoked, and left it at that, instead of speculating about it being self defense without any facts.

Btw, an offhand comment by a prosecutor is not a court ruling, sgm4law. (seems ironic for someone with "law" in their handle to not know the difference)
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 10:14:11 AM

I was watching MSLSD yesterday. They had Suze Orman on, and an openly homosexual congressman on, debating the SCOTUS on homosexual marriage. Hmmm.. Suze is a homosexual, the congressman was, too, and the show host was agreeing with both of them. Where' the counterpoint? Yeah, FOX is sure better than that. MSLSD is nothing more than the TV and media arm of the DNC. Now is FOX in cahoots with the RNC? Well, I doubt it. After all, O'Reilly is in favor of homo marriage AND single payor national health care (considered liberal positions). If the RNC were running the show, or dictating the message, then how could Bill espouse those positions?
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 4:46:06 PM

"Not that anyone would selectively edit footage at Fox News, of course."

But give Fox credit, they are one of the only networks that can take their

footage out of their own mouths (as that is where it so often resides).


In other words, they only open their editorial mouths just to change or encourage de-feat.






[Edited by: Passer at 3/27/2013 4:47:44 PM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 12:39:33 PM

Remember back when Steve Crowder was punched by a guy at some protest in Michigan? Turns out a court has ruled that the puncher acted in self-defense. Not that anyone would selectively edit footage at Fox News, of course.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2013 11:17:23 AM

"MSNBC has never lied that it was "Fair & Balanced." Please give us at least the link where Pew Research compared MSNBC's claim that it was "Fair & Balanced" to Fox's."

Exactly.
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 6:11:34 PM

"I would truly like to apologize to [redacted], her family, my family and the community," Mays said. "No picture [of the rape] should have been sent around, let alone even taken."

I hope I'm not the only one who sees something terribly, terribly wrong with this "apology."
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 5:45:30 PM

Do like I did, google it, there are several articles about it, or go to the pew research center web site.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 4:40:54 PM

"according to pew research compared to msnbc they are."

MSNBC has never lied that it was "Fair & Balanced." Please give us at least the link where Pew Research compared MSNBC's claim that it was "Fair & Balanced" to Fox's.

Did you get this research from your local Fox affiliate?
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 3:50:23 PM

according to pew research compared to msnbc they are.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 3:46:27 PM

Yeah, I feel SOOOO sorry for those poor football players... NOT!

If you don't know what you are supposed to do and not do by their age, you need some jail time to straighten out your priorities.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 11:33:13 AM

Frankly, CNN's Candy Crowley et al., yesterday, were worse, describing sympathetically the tough time those poor boys (er, rapists) were going to have as a result of their convictions, and feeling oh so sad for them crying in the courtroom--not a word about the victim crying after the rape, though.

clip of CNN video
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2013 5:11:40 PM

Fox News Airs Name of 16-Year-Old Steubenville Rape Victim

As if this girl hasn't been through enough, Fox News on Monday aired the name of the underage victim of the disturbing rape in Steubenville, Ohio.

During correspondent Mike Tobin's report about the guilty verdicts in the Steubenville rape case on Fox News' America's Newsroom, the girl's first name was broadcast without being censored.

"We have not known, really, how the victim is doing, Mike," host Martha MacCallum told Tobin. "Is there any information on that today?"

"Well, a relative tells me that she spends a lot of time in her room," Tobin explained. "She has been back out playing sports, and through it all -- you'll be surprised to learn -- she made the honor roll one more time."

"A family representative says the remorse coming from the football players came too late," the correspondent added. "We saw their reaction yesterday."

At that point, the report cut to footage of one of the rapists, 17-year-old Trent Mays, apologizing to the victim in court on Sunday.

"I would truly like to apologize to [redacted], her family, my family and the community," Mays said. "No picture [of the rape] should have been sent around, let alone even taken."

Crooks and Liars has redacted the victim's first name from this report and the video above, but Fox News did not.

A Fox News editor's note added to an Associated Press report published on Sunday insisted that the conservative network would not name the minors charged in the case.

"Editors’ Note: The Associated Press named the minors charged due to the fact they have been identified in other news coverage and their names were used in open court," the note said. "FoxNews.com will not name the defendants."

The National Alliance to End Sexual Violence encourages news organizations "not to publish the names of minors who come forward with allegations of sexual abuse or rape and to avoid reporting stories in such a way that these minors are identifiable."

The alliance recommended that news organizations "report these stories with sensitivity toward the stigma associated with being publicly named."

On Sunday, CNN host Candy Crowley and reporter Poppy Harlow came under fire after expressing sympathy for the rapists and making little mention of the rape victim.

During Monday news reports, however, CNN censored the victim's name while airing the same clip of Mays apologizing that Fox News had broadcast unedited.



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Cirdan
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Message Posted: Mar 12, 2013 12:59:08 AM

As opposed to Chris Matthews and Co. who have already declared for Hillary in 2016. Saying "we'll get you in there!"
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 6:59:38 PM

"they are already more partisan than MSNBC."

That's one point of view. Everything depends on your point of reference. From my perspective, MSNBC has a considerably more partisan stance than FNC, even taken on the whole. If we were to compare just the news programs...well, MSNBC would need to have news programs to make that comparison.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 4:18:20 PM

No, they'd be the mirror image of MSNBC, then multiplied by 10, because they are already more partisan than MSNBC.

[Edited by: sgm4law at 3/11/2013 4:18:31 PM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 12:22:23 PM

"I'd hate to see what they would be like if they weren't working towards being "fair and balanced"--"

MSNBC
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 11:37:19 AM

"At least FNC is stating what they are working toward."

I'd hate to see what they would be like if they weren't working towards being "fair and balanced"--what a scary thought!
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 11:00:43 AM

A motto is usually an ideal to aspire to, not often meant to be a statement of fact. At least FNC is stating what they are working toward. I think they come fairly close to that goal most of the time, especially in their news programs. The commentary programs are, of course, slanted; that is the nature of that type of show. The ones slanted to the conservative viewpoint get better ratings because there are so many other options for those interested in the liberal slant. Not just on FNC either; Glenn Beck had the second largest viewership at CNN before he left, behind Nancy Grace who does strictly, well it's hard to define, what do you call it when someone spends their entire show for a year on Casey Anthony?
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2013 3:45:34 PM

"Every network has a slogan, and all use subjective terms:..."

OK HR10,

I'll give you your wiggle room for Fox now that you gave me so much giggle room...

So you stipulate that Fox is "Fair and Balanced" only as a slogan and it is meant in a very subjective way, so that what is "F&B" for Reactionaries, like its been proven that Obama is a Kenyan because it was verified by Fox Chief Scientist Donald Trump, with research provided by its Chief Dr. Shopper, Rush Limbaugh, is proof that they are F&Bed to their demongraphics.

Fair, (and balanced) enough...
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2013 3:30:32 PM

yes indeed
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2013 10:40:51 AM

Leaning forward results in one falling on their face, which is exactly what's happened to MSNBC.

Every network has a slogan, and all use subjective terms:

What is "fair"? Maybe they sunburn easily.
What is "balanced"? Maybe they're good on pogo sticks.
What is "original reporting"? Maybe that means CBS makes up the stories.
What about "anytime, anywhere"? I better not comment on that one.
What does it mean to "lean forward"? Probably referring to their reporting getting ahead of the facts.
What does it mean to be a "worldwide leader in news"? Does CNN always have the story first? Not by a long shot.
CNN touted their election coverage as "America's Choice 2012,", but on election night FNC beat them out in the 8,9, and 10PM time slots (CNN had slightly more veiwers in the 11PM slot).
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 6:15:12 PM

HR10,

You must realize that there is a difference between admitting that one "Leans Forward" and the fool that claims that he is "Fair and Balanced".

But if one watches the latter, I can see why they can not understand that there is a difference

especially if one has leaned back in his chair and fallen hard.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 5:30:36 PM

"Only those with mental problems would "admit" to something that they're not,"

If Chris 'thrill up my leg' Matthews doesn't know he's a progressive, he the only one; it's fairly obvious to everyone else.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 4:56:51 PM

"I don't remember ever hearing someone at MSNBC declare, or even admit to, being the far left progressives and communists they are."

Only those with mental problems would "admit" to something that they're not, including any Fox employees calling themselves, "Reporters".





[Edited by: Passer at 3/6/2013 4:58:01 PM EST]
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 3:48:25 PM

"Not if you declare your stance"

I don't remember ever hearing someone at MSNBC declare, or even admit to, being the far left progressives and communists they are.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 11:34:23 AM

"When you claim to be reporting news, yes, that's exactly what it means."

Not if you declare your stance--at MSNBC, they don't brag about being fair and balanced and just reporting the facts; they are much more honest than Fox even tries to be.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 11:03:36 AM

Passer, >>"Way too many liberals and RINO's on Fox News, IMHO."Sonuva Birch...

Really, now?<<
***
Yes, in my opinion. Too many of the regulars, such as O'Reilly fail to recognize what is in the US Constitution.
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HotRod10
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 10:30:33 AM

"So admitting that you have a stance on issues means that you have no journalistic integrity [?]"

When you claim to be reporting news, yes, that's exactly what it means. The news is supposed to be facts, not opinion or commentary. That's where the you guys get off the rails condemning FNC - not being able to separate a news show from a commentary show. Of course O'Reilly and Hannity have a particular POV (although both regularly have guests who have an opposite POV), but those are political commentary, not news.



[Edited by: HotRod10 at 3/5/2013 10:31:03 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 11:42:38 PM

As balanced as a fox in a hen house.
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