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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2013 1:45:23 PM

Your eyes are reading correctly, sadly, as Judge Jean Boyd sentenced a boy who killed four while he was drunk, to probation, according to CNN.

The boy, 16, suffered from what lawyers for his defense called "affluenza", apparently a condition where parents never set limits for the boy and gave him everything he wanted.

The decision, which brought frustration to prosecutors and stunned victims' family members, will mean the boy gets off with hardly a slap on the wrist. Victims family members say they feel that Couch got off too easy. Prosecutors had asked for the maximum of 20 years behind bars.

"Let's face it. ... There needs to be some justice here," Eric Boyles, who lost his wife and daughter, told CNN's "Anderson...

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pilotmass
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Message Posted: Dec 24, 2013 8:57:53 AM

Notice they haven't taken his license away?
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2013 8:13:20 AM

3CMT: you're so right. Those who lost family members won't be seeing them ever again.

As for the kid living alone, why was a 16 yo allowed to live in a house on his own to start with? In other places, and under different circumstances, the parents would be locked up for child neglect.
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Message Posted: Dec 22, 2013 12:55:13 AM

The best justice that money can buy.
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 6:48:07 PM

I am so sick of hearing again a name for spoiled rotten, (affluenza) that is a joke. Tell it like it is, this kid like many others drank and drove and you can't tell me that he did not know that he could kill somebody, diving drunk, he wasn't smart enough to figure that out for himself, please. He should be treated like any body else and given a harsh sentence. The families who lost loved ones will never get to spend another day with them, where he gets to breath on and see his family. The judge should be looked as well, this is way to light a sentence and other kids will see this disregard for human life and the lack of punishment, and think they can get away with drinking as well. SHAME ON THIS JUDGE AND THIS CHILD AND HIS PARENTS. I pray for the families who lost their loved ones.
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 10:14:51 AM

On Dec 20, 2013 11:05:36 PM, honda0105 wrote:

>hopefully the book will be thrown at him and the lousy excuse
>of parents by another judge.

As to the killing of four, that case is over and done and cannot be revisited by another judge. I frequently watch something called Texas Cable News that does the local news from around the case. The three biggest stories in Texas spreading around and killing Texans (fortunately, the strain being found by the state's expert laboratories is the same as the one in this years' flu vaccine), the International Space Station (a system that I got data from is on the fritz), and the case of Ethan Couch (the aforementioned spoiled brat) and the case.

Among other details watching the news is that Ethan Couch lived in a house a quarter-mile away from his parents that has been estimated to be worth $400,000. He also had a fake ID that indicate he was 21 years old, he could go into liquor stores and buy alcohol. Ethan Couch's drink of choice was vodka, and he'd drink the stuff straight out of the bottle.

Ethan Couch still has two charges of intoxication assault (the charges for the persons merely injured) left for the criminal justice system to adjudicate. In the prosecutors in Tarrant County have heard the defense one time before and they will get an expert witness that will laugh the defense out of the courtroom.

They can only put him away for three years or two intoxication assaults, but that's three more years Ethan Couch will spend in jail under the sentence of the wimpy Judge Boyd who is conveniently retiring. She doesn't have that mercy with poor black kids whose parents can buy the best lawyers that will say any line they thing the judge will buy. Just this year, she sentenced a 14-year-old black kid who only killed one person to ten years total in the TDCJ system.

Texas uses the death penalty, and they use it a lot compared to other states. (several hours not on the computer, just awake thinking about all sorts of subjects) When I started talking about doing something where she I was under a death sentence and what I would do, my BFF got so upset she said she was going to lock the door. (Turns out she lied to me.)


[Edited by: Sneakers55 at 12/21/2013 10:21:01 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 12:05:36 AM

hopefully the book will be thrown at him and the lousy excuse of parents by another judge.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 10:07:33 PM

On Dec 20, 2013 2:50:51 AM, txrojo2005 wrote:

>This is outrageous and will probably change shortly.

Once a verdict is rendered in court, the State cannot come along and try the case again.

In a Texas case, the defense can appeal the verdict all the way up the chain of courts, which is in Texas the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. If a Federal issue is brought up, the case can be appealed to the Supreme Court of the United States.

>I, and many Texans, do not agree with this judge's decision.

It doesn't matter if everyone in Texas other than the judge who rendered the verdict disagrees with the judge's decision. Conveniently, Judge Jean Boyd is retiring and will not stand for re-election.

There's still the matter of two intoxication assault cases against Ethan Couch along with all the forthcoming suits that will be in the civil system.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 5:47:35 AM

dano: happens too often in this country nevertheless.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 3:50:51 AM

This is outrageous and will probably change shortly. I, and many Texans, do not agree with this judge's decision.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 1:03:59 AM

Two kids were in the back of Ethan Couch's Daddy's pickup truck when he went on his alcohol-fueled crashing spree. One of them is paralyzed and has already run up a million dollars of medical bills. Hopefully, either the family will be able to find a member of the Texas Bar who will take up the case on a contingency-fee basis or the medical insurance of the injured kid will pay the bills first and subrogate the heck out of Ethan Couch or his rich daddy later.
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2013 12:53:03 AM

A legal analyst on Texas Cable News said it would be "hypocritical" to sentence Ethan Couch to probation for four intoxication manslaughters and three years in jail for two intoxication assaults. Who cares about hypocrisy? Sentence the little spoiled brat to four years confinement, one in a psychiatric facility paid for by the parents and three in the juvenile justice system. At least that way, we're guaranteed he won't be behind the wheel of a truck for a while.



[Edited by: Sneakers55 at 12/20/2013 12:57:13 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2013 8:17:07 PM

Absolutely not right
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2013 12:03:37 AM

df: you are right. Very subjective. Not what the forefathers envisioned.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 2:10:59 PM

Our judicial system is so screwed up! I wish there was some consistency between judges. A convicted person's sentence is totally dependent upon the judge that happens to be presiding over his (or her) case.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 10:13:39 AM

On Dec 17, 2013 6:51:48 PM, JOHNJOEYJOE wrote:

>This Texas bought judge should be de-throned and deported to a third world country.

Judge Jean Boyd is retiring. How convenient. The Tarrant County voters won't have to throw her out of office.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 10:10:45 AM

They just reported that Ethan Couch is not done with the Texas criminal justice system. There is still the matter of two intoxication assault charges. Hopefully, the prosecutor knows a lot more now about Ethan Couch. And hopefully, they won't get a wimpy judge this time.

The Couch family is just getting started with the Texas civil law system.

So, there's a lot of other remaining possibilities to throw the book at Ethan Couch and the Couch family.
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 5:53:14 AM

as I said, the legal system is not blind.

I rest my case!
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 7:51:48 PM

This Texas bought judge should be de-throned and deported to a third world country.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 2:20:56 PM

On Dec 17, 2013 4:55:17 AM, honda0105 wrote:

>and the families of those who were killed still have to fight for their
>justice - IF they have the money.

I am certain they will be able to very easily to find a member of the Texas Bar who would be willing to take this case on a contingency-fee basis.

Local lawyers even advertise the "No-Fee Guarantee" on the shows that cater to the injured who are convalescing at home.

And if you sue, you can find somebody who sues back. I'm in that mess personally. I'm being sued by a driver that rear-ended me. I thought that people who rear-ended other vehicles were automatically guaranteed to be at fault. I worked for 32 years and saved up a pretty good nest egg. I also have high-limit liability insurance to keep people out of it. My insurance first tried to subrogate with a run-of-the-mill insurance company. When they got hit with the counterclaim, they switched the case to a very high-powered law firm. I still had to mail off a half-pound of paper to my lawyer. And I bet my medical insurance is interested in making a subrogation claim. They got all they could from my insurance for the time in the hospital ER.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 2:02:02 PM

The defense in a criminal case can appeal the case all the way to the highest courts in the land. The prosecution gets one chance to get the case right.

Time to elect some competent prosecutors.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 5:55:17 AM

and the families of those who were killed still have to fight for their justice - IF they have the money. Most probably make less than what the parents pay for a single month in a mental institution (which is not what state run mental institutions cost btw).

Those families won't see their loved ones again. Not in a year, not in 10 years, but never.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 2:38:31 AM

More details on the case on Texas Cable News. I didn't hear most of them as I was banging around getting dishes ready to go in the dishwasher and that's not conducive to hearing the TV in the living room.

I want to stay awake as long as the dishwasher is running (that may not happen) and maybe I'll hear the segment repeat. They play the last time four Texas station did the local news until they do another newscast.
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 2:10:55 AM

Six victims. The first court case was filed by one of the survivors. They went $20,000,000. Damages in Texas courts are limited to actual damages plus $250,000. Must have been a lot of actual damages.

On another thing, they had the news comment the brat didn't even live in his own parents' home. Furthermore, he had a fake ID that said he was 21 and that's how he gets the alcohol. The kid was known for throwing alcohol-fueled parties in his own house away from his parents. His parties were reported to start with him jumping fully clothed in the swimming pool, ripping his shirt off, and starting in drinking a bottle of vodka neat.

Maybe next time they meet, the Texas legislators should change the law so that an underage drinker who has anything happen with the alcohol be tried as an adult. Our House seat is open today, so somebody new will be serving in the 2015 Legislature. I'm getting phone calls from potential primary candidates. At least one of them has a Web site and his own E-mail address so you can contact him. Maybe I should ask him if he gets in the legislature whether he would propose this be law?

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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 12:11:04 AM

On Dec 16, 2013 4:54:46 AM, honda0105 wrote:

>if justice were truly blind, at least the parents would find themselves
>punished for their p**s-poor parenting product.

As if paying in full for a year in an out-of-state psychiatric facility that charges $36,000 a month while the spoiled brat cannot even see his parents for a year while he undergoes rehab is not enough punishment?

They haven't even had the civil case yet, who knows what the parents (or their insurance company, most people with significant assets carry high-limit liability insurance just in case) will get to pay there?

You think the parents will not be punished? Let's say a half-million for the looney bin, not seeing the brat for a year (which may be a big pleasure for the parents), and I would estimate at least two million from the civil suit (actual costs plus $250,000 per victim in Texas, and there are six in total) and you say the parents are not being punished? Give me a break!

>Alas, money talks. Always has, always will.

It talks a lot. "We can put the kid in rehab. With our own money, not the Texas taxpayer's. TDCJ can't give him the kind of intensive rehab he needs." Money doing that kind of talking kept the kid out of prison. What kind of life do you think that kid would have after a stint in prison? People that stay in the TDCJ are only suited for making license plates and committing more offenses. Rehab is his one chance. If he blows that, he will be tried by an adult then for sure and the adult system is more likely to declare him a lost cause.

>RIP Founding Fathers!

Hopefully, the Founding Fathers would have the sense to realize that incarceration would do no good for this kid. It does nothing whatsoever to bring the deceased back. The civil system hasn't had their turn yet. Since the kid can only be sentenced to twenty years for the charges, that's just about enough time for the prison system to ruin him. It's not like they can execute the kid in Texas.

Guess some people are just screaming for "justice" masquerading as vengeance.
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2013 5:54:46 AM

if justice were truly blind, at least the parents would find themselves punished for their p**s-poor parenting product. Alas, money talks. Always has, always will. RIP Founding Fathers!
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2013 3:49:13 AM

On Dec 14, 2013 9:51:27 AM, Fhuang66 wrote:

>Can we get rid of no common sense judge

The judge in question previously announced her retirement.

Same judge gave a 14-year-old African-American boy ten years in the TDCJ for killing another kid in a fistfight. As overcrowded as the TDCJ is, people who get ten years usually get out in two if they keep their nose clean in prison.

IMHO, people are just brushing off "the kid is going to rehab." Probably people who have never been on the inside of mental hospitals.

if you send the kid for jail for ten years in Texas, he will serve about two years. For that time, he will get three hots, a cot, free medical care, and huge fans to keep the air circulating in summer. And no rehabilitation to speak of. All paid for the Texas taxpayer. And he would get to see his parents on visitation.

On the other hand, you can send the kid for rehab. Maybe it will work. He will be in there for twelve months. He will not be allowed to see his parents during that time. All at around $36,000 a month. Paid for by the parents. This one is a no-brainer to me. Let the parents pay to keep the spoiled brat away from society instead of the taxpayers!

After he gets out of rehab, the kid still has nine years of probation left to go. He messes up on probation, the prosecutor has already said they will throw the book at him.

>all victims shall file suit against the family and his company for
>the medical bill and all related expense due to this teens behavior.

The criminal system has done their part. The civil system is yet to take their turn. If the parents are rich enough to pay for a year of rehab for the kid, they're rich enough to pay for the medical bills. That isn't if they aren't insured up the hilt and the victims get paid by their insurance. Most people with significant assets also have high-limit insurance policies.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2013 9:21:34 AM

In today's society "it is always someone else's fault". We definitely live in a strange world.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2013 8:39:58 AM

goes to show, when you have enough money, there are no repercussions to ill behavior.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2013 10:51:27 AM

Can we get rid of no common sense judge, all victims shall file suit against the family and his company for the medical bill and all related expense due to this teens behavior.
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2013 7:22:59 AM

time to throw the book at both him & his parents while taking time to say a prayer or two for his victims
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 11:44:11 PM

He's just 16 and driving drunk!!

The parents should be flogged and jailed.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 5:51:07 PM

difficult decision for the judge but it does seem a bit light
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 3:21:12 PM

That "judge" should be disbarred.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 3:18:31 PM

At 16 he is old enough to know better.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 3:08:00 PM

The families of those killed by this young degenerate should file civil suits against him and his parents not for the monetary rewards a court win may bring but to put some pain on the parents who raised such a reprehensible child.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 2:57:14 PM

On Dec 13, 2013 12:38:04 PM, sjambok wrote:

>Different variations of this play out each and every day in this country.

They keep talking about this case on Texas Cable News and more details keep coming out.

Judge Boyd can be very strict. He sentenced a 14-year-old black boy to ten years in prison when he got in a fistfight with another individual, who died of his injuries. That said, ten years in a Texas prison is like a $500 clinical laboratory bill after your medical insurance gets done with it: you'll end out either serving or paying a lot less.

>You could incarcerate the parents AND the kid, but that doesn't bring
>back the people senselessly killed.

I think in this case the emphasis is on rehabilitation, not mere incarceration. The parents have agreed to pay for a minimum of a year of rehabilitation (in a $36,000 a month California psychiatric hospital). I know people who have been in both and they said there was very little difference between the two except for what you did during the day. I can tell you psychiatric hospitals suck but then they kept me from walking in front of a railroad train.

And then there is the ten years of probation. I bet the prosecutors and the victims' family member have never done probation. The people who are in probation pay the costs of probation unless they're indigent. If Judge Boyd is smart, he'll make the parents pay for probation if Ethan turns out to be indigent.

>The justice system is reactionary, and broken. It is run by people who
>are corrupt.

The only justice system that I have knowledge of that cannot be corrupted is not run by sinful humans. And even there, the judge already has a book that says who will get mercy from the court in the first place. At that one, there won't be any lawyers except maybe one named Lucifer.

>Voting them out probably won't make much of a difference

Judge Boyd is not standing for re-election, as he's reached retirement age.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 2:36:51 PM

He should have his license revoked for life, and should have been sentenced to at least 5 years. I don't care what his relationship is with his parents is.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 2:20:53 PM

On Dec 13, 2013 12:03:33 PM, marsbars wrote:

>My brother and his daughter and unborn child were killed by someone
>who didn't have a license, but had some issues that came up conveniently
>at trial and got off with paying $2,000 and license revoked again.
>This was in Canada.

Canada is very reluctant to incarcerate, although two (or three, depending how Canadian law is written) dying is pretty extreme. For some reason only known to the Canadian prison system, a year in jail costs the taxpayers $300,000 (according to one of the GasBuddies who commented on here).

You didn't say, but if alcohol was involved in the same case involving an adult in Texas, they would be sentenced to a minimum of six years (two years minimum for each death). Given how overcrowded the TDCJ-ID is, however, they would likely serve less than half their sentence.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 2:14:52 PM

Submitted Yesterday
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 2:06:38 PM

On Dec 13, 2013 12:04:04 PM, NightBoy wrote:

>Affluenza...what a crock!

If they want to punish somebody, punish the expert witness psychologist the defense called for saying the Ethan had a condition that was not recognized in medical practice. On the other hand, at one time, AIDS was not a condition recognized in medical practice.

>And the pictures of him smiling outside of court...I've read it all!

The parents have agreed to pay for Ethan to have a minimum of a year of rehab (at $36,000 a month, according to the news) in a California (Why not Texas? Probably because they have more crazy people in California!) mental hospital. My BFF has been in both mental hospitals and jails and one is about as bad as another. Maybe the mental hospitals are cushier in the Disneyland State.

Incarceration in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.Institutional Division gets paid for by the taxpayers. Ethan will get three hots, a cot, free medical care, and huge fans blowing around the hot Texas air in the summer, all paid for by the Texas taxpayers. The sentence would be two years and out, given the overcrowded Texas prison system, unless the families of the victims want to go through the ordeal of appearing before the Texas Pardons and Parole Board. From what i have heard (and you hear a lot more about the story in Texas), Ethan would not get the intensive rehabilitation in the TDCJ-ID that he would get in a mental hospital.

Then, there's the matter of ten years of probation. No piece of cake. And criminals pay for their probation in Texas unless they're indigent.

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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 1:56:44 PM

Why was the teen not given Jail Time and tried as an Adult.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 1:48:46 PM

A tragedy...what was that judge thinking?
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 1:38:04 PM

Different variations of this play out each and every day in this country. There doesn't seem to be any answer to the problem, only more laws that don't work. You could incarcerate the parents AND the kid, but that doesn't bring back the people senselessly killed.
The justice system is reactionary, and broken. It is run by people who are corrupt. Voting them out probably won't make much of a difference as anyone who wants public office can talk a good game, then reverse once they hold the keys.
...at a loss..
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 1:35:55 PM

On Dec 13, 2013 11:44:11 AM, BudsterMO wrote:

>Jail time for the boy and his parents would be appropriate.

You just read "ten years of probation" and thought it was the end-all and be-all of his sentence. After all, that's all the GasBuddy Bloggers wrote in the snippet that made it to the home page.

Ethan also goes to a $450,000 a year rehab in the state of California (Why not Texas? We have a lot of good facilities here!) for undoubtedly at least a year. The cost will be paid for by the parents. There is very little difference between being in a mental hospital and being in jail. And the Texas taxpayers don't have to pay to warehouse the boy for the two years and out he would probably get in the overcrowded Texas prison system.

And jailing the parents? Better, IMHO, to let them be on the outside paying taxes and for their son's rehab than to have them in Huntsville making license plates and getting three hots, a cot, and free medical care paid for by the state.

And as to probation? Taxpayers don't pay for it, the criminals do.


[Edited by: Sneakers55 at 12/13/2013 1:39:27 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 1:25:25 PM

Put the parents in jail.
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TX is so f'd up!
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 1:04:04 PM

Affluenza...what a crock! And the pictures of him smiling outside of court...I've read it all!
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 1:03:33 PM

My brother and his daughter and unborn child were killed by someone who didn't have a license, but had some issues that came up conveniently at trial and got off with paying $2,000 and license revoked again. This was in Canada.
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 1:02:33 PM

something wrong with our Justice system...
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2013 1:02:12 PM

No excuses so they say....
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