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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2013 12:51:34 PM

In a rare Consumer Reports has removed three Toyotas, the Honda Accord V6 and the Nissan Altima from its recommended buy list.

Jake Fisher, director of auto testing for Consumer Reports, said the Toyota models — the Camry, the Prius V and RAV4 — lost their recommended status based on results of a new crash test conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

The IIHS tests simulate a 40- m.p.h. crash where the driver-side corner strikes an object or oncoming car. The Toyotas, as well as the Audi 4, did not do as well as other cars in their segment.

This puzzling step embarrasses the automakers in question but perhaps also raises questions over the standard operating procedures of what may be America...

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aalix
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2014 3:09:33 PM

This will greatly influence my choice.
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pezbep
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2014 2:39:46 PM

sad, Toyota is my favorite
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Calbo1
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 1:56:51 PM

Since the Tsunami Japan may have had to outsource some parts, and this could be the cause of the drop in reliability, or a quality control issue
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car54BC
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Message Posted: Dec 31, 2013 11:54:59 AM

How can you discredit cars from Japan
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kishoreCA
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2013 11:01:07 AM

This report is not believable....
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craigsfrank
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2013 9:56:41 PM

I'll stick with my VW diesel Jetta, high MPG rules!
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mabrams184
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2013 6:54:48 PM

A test can be thought up that will fail a particular car anytime. Tests should be standardized across the board with everyone knowing just what is expected to pass every test.
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No1ConMan
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2013 2:34:53 PM

Very surprised to see the Honda Accord was among the offenders, we own a 2009 version of this offender and have had a few problems but with the performance, handling and comfort we have been more than pleased!
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Calbo1
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Message Posted: Dec 25, 2013 1:04:01 PM

most unusual for Honda
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lyanMI
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 11:21:13 PM

sad to see rav4
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dfp609
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 2:20:41 PM

I sure am glad that my new Highlander is not on this list.
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GOGUYGO
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2013 3:50:40 PM

this gives a hint of business practice of doing a good job of making a car until the name is built up then cut corners for the big bucks. Look at the past patterns of the auto industry in the USA.
We are sometimes a easy mark for our wants and desires for any country.
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2013 5:17:21 AM

It is just truly sad that so many Folks had to die for these vehicles to be removed from this list! I always believed when a vehicle is voted Car of the Year it is more of a function of that company being a large sponser than the Safety or Quality of the vehicle!
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zippy3231
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 7:47:29 AM

Since Consumer Reports does not accept advertisment by sponsors I do trust their Independent Testing!
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gasmask78
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 12:30:30 AM

Yay
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gasmask78
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Message Posted: Nov 15, 2013 12:29:11 AM

Crazy.
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steve_95037
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 1:02:27 PM

There is no such thing as a car completely sourced in the US. Several Toyotas are assembled in the USA.
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pilotmass
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2013 9:56:09 AM

Buy American
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Sam49
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 5:49:44 PM

maybe we should all sit in a metal box. there are so many reports on just about everything.
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 5:47:45 AM

032: no one twists your arm to post on these. you can always find newer stories under the "All Recent News" link.
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032946
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 9:52:41 AM

At least three days old!
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2013 12:01:58 AM

032: of course it's an old entry - it's a PD blog.
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SkooterG
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 8:11:55 PM

Bad test? Or bad cars?
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 10:43:36 AM

Old News!
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 7:31:21 AM

ok
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 2:24:13 AM

Sad
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 12:37:04 AM

More bad news for Big T.
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 12:32:56 AM

repeat
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2013 12:01:48 AM

about time the Altima is kicked off.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 10:24:53 PM

Good for CR!
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 8:30:58 PM

But an Interesting TEST was done in California several Years ago:

They took a Panel of Automobile Reviewers, assembled them in a warehouse to review some "NEW MODELS" of cars, first they brought them all in to review a Chevrolet Badged Vehicle (with No Model Name on it), Clipboards for all, they Reviewed approx 75-100 items, fit/finish/looks/initial quality/feel, etc, etc.

Then the took a break (next day if I read it correctly) they Reviewed CAR#2 which was Badged as a Toyota(No Model Name), they reviewed it for the same 75-100 items as before.

The Results were then COMPARED. The Chevrolet was reviewed Much worse and more critically and Toyota recieved much better reviews even better fit, finish, quality than the Prior Chevrolet. --So what gives on my story?

THEY WERE IDENTICAL CARS, both were MADE BACK to BACK in the SAME FACTORY one after the other the SAME DAY, BUT the REVIEWERS Had a NATURAL PERCEPTION and BIAS that the TOYOTA, since it was a TOYOTA was better than the CHEVY in ALMOST EVERY WAY, Yet they were the SAME IDENTICAL CARS.

(note they may have been two different colors)

Yay for AMERICA, that IDENTICAL CARS can have an AMERICAN Badge and be SIMPLY PERCEIVED TO BE INFERIOR due to the BADGE/BRAND NAME, Nothing Else.

SLICK LITTLE TEST, MAKES YOU THINK.

[Edited by: LeftLane1 at 11/5/2013 8:31:37 PM EST]
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BBopp
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 8:23:19 PM

Bummer, I really like the Camry & Prius.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 8:16:31 PM

Some People Trust them, Some do not... A prior GB stated:

"..CR's published results regarding cars were questionable."

Yes and they were accused of manipulation of results on cars and favoritism towards certain brands and bias towards cars of certain countries in the past as well.

I AM NOT making these alligations here just stating these have been past news for Consumer Reports over the years.

CR has taken some to court, but how do you prove those payoffs? -unless you one of the parties involved? They have shown a pattern with cars whether or not those things are true, but if it is just CR's bias, how is that proven, they are entitled to an opinion, but they use their platform to sell cars from certain brands in the process. Something to think about.

We read it for years, but sometimes, You do more research, make you own calls.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 7:52:11 PM

Not a good sign.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 7:26:50 PM

I'm more interested in their microwave oven recommendations.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 6:13:34 PM

As the car manufacturers move closer and closer to the mandated CAFE standards, more of these cars will fail crash tests.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 5:18:50 PM

goodbuy and others questioning the integrity of "Consumer Reports" should have the courage to state so explicitly, and be ready to defend the remark, because CR has a long history of taking to court persons making allegations that they take payment for ratings.

I have subscribed to CR for more than forty years. When it comes to product testing, I trust that they are honest. I don't always agree with their ratings, because I think that when it comes to specialized items (e.g. high-end cameras) they do not always understand all that is involved. I do not follow their ratings slavishly, but I do use the information they provide. That said, I think the quality of the publication has dropped in recent years. They are dumbing down the reports to look more like USA Today (the newspaper for the chronically inattentive.) They have shorter stories with more graphics and less text.

I think that CR is biased in that they promote left-wing programs and aims, and push for more regulations. So, I no longer support them through contributions, because mostly I do not agree with the views they espouse. That said, I still think that they are honest, and their ratings are as unbiased as possible for something that is produced by humans.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 3:40:01 PM

Consumer Reports is in the business of selling magazines. Impartiality is secondary.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 2:46:43 PM

"Perhaps also raises questions..."
There's some meaningless verbage. Either it does or it doesn't. Somewhat pregnant?..
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 2:29:42 PM

shocking
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 2:20:16 PM

Every company has its problems.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:50:07 PM

They all need to be removed from the recommended buy list
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:43:07 PM

This is absolutely shocking considering that the Camry, Accord and Altima have always been the most popular cars in America and have also been considered among the safest and highest quality cars on the road. It looks to me like the Japanese "Big 3" had better get their act together.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:33:05 PM

GOT TO SELL THE PAPER
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:25:45 PM

***There's are some posters on this topic that Do Not know What Consumer Reports does, How they do it, or Why they do it. They need to read the ABOUT US page, Mission statement and the other topics listed under ABOUT US (bottom of the main page, left). Maybe they might LEARN something and not spout off unintelligent and made up remarks!!!!
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:22:56 PM

Toyota's sold in North America are made in the USA and Canada. Funny how they passed for years and now don't. Something is going on somewhere.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:21:42 PM

The key is to avoid 40 MPH driver side corner strike crashes.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:20:45 PM

Interesting if their test results are accurate. Consumer Reports has to be viewed with healthy skepticism. Their independence from industries means that they may lack expertise. For example, some years ago Consumer Reports assembled a bicycle incorrectly and then reported that it had defective brakes.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:20:09 PM

more bad news for Toyota.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2013 1:19:06 PM

Is this very old re-post still up because it is a negative about Toyotas?
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