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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 3:39:41 PM


Funding for Virginia's transportation infrastructure planning has hit a sizeable roadblock.

James A Cales, Jr., a Portsmouth Circuit Court judge in Plymouth VA, has ruled that public-private partnerhips there, as defined by the state's Public Private Transportation Act of 1995, are unconstitutional. He said the 1995 law involves an unconstitutional delegation of power to the executive branch.

And that means you can't keep the fruit from that tree too. Cale ruled against proposed tolls on the Norfolk-Portsmouth tunnels under the Elizabeth River.

Cales ruled in Meeks v. Virginia Department of Transportation that the Virginia General Assembly went beyond its state constitutional authority in granting VDOT...

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MiataPrincess
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Message Posted: May 23, 2013 9:13:12 AM

would be fine for tolls, if the money goes for paying off and maintaining the roads
honda0105
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 6:25:36 AM

Donatelo: sometimes... but the toll is SUPPOSED to be for paying off the construction cost of the roads.
rjhenn
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 11:54:47 PM

Except that they don't usually remove the toll booths when the roads are paid for. They keep it going for the income, even though it costs the rest of us more to do it that way.
danindenver
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 8:47:01 PM

Very interesting.

(Still don't understand what the airplanes have to do with it, though. You know, the P-3s)

Donatelo
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 9:47:00 AM

toll roads are sometimes needed.
honda0105
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 5:45:11 AM

rjh: agreed, but at some point the roads are paid for. And then they should remove the booths, thus, lowering the overhead costs right there :)
CYBERCAT11
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 5:23:42 AM

Good news.
rjhenn
Champion Author Des Moines

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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 7:04:30 PM

Toll roads cost more to operate than non-toll roads.

You've got to pay for the infrastructure to collect the tolls. That drives the cost up.
weshyatt
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 2:12:36 PM

good news for the public.
honda0105
Champion Author Tallahassee

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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 5:52:58 AM

lol GasMasterG. I thought something along the lines myself. Glad I don't live up there...
Gas_Master_G
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 8:13:45 AM

VA is out to screw the people in general, radar detectors are illegal
honda0105
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 7:50:17 AM

W-Dan: yes, tolls should end, but as FL's toll roads have shown, they are a nice source of income and jobs. So why stop when the money is paid off?
WanderDan
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 11:12:50 PM

should be tolls go when the bill is paid... but as we know they will get their money somewhere else
honda0105
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 6:00:33 AM

65mile: that's indeed rather unusual these days.
65milecommute
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 11:34:09 AM

I was living in Portsmouth in 1989 when they took down the toll booths. I was (pleasantly) surprised when they took them down, and wondered why they would give up a source of revenue no one was complaining about. As I recall, the law that authorized the construction of the tunnel required the tolls to cease after the collected tolls had paid for it. Such a change. Modern legislators--and the corporations they partner with--see tolls as an endless source of revenue.
Donatelo
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:36:18 AM

too much buerucratic waste in govern
gravityhurts
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 5:55:29 AM

Awesome.
4wheel
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 2:19:31 AM

Really old!
flyfast
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 11:25:21 PM

a way to tax you more
rjhenn
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 6:56:52 PM

Dennisjk - "See my comment from yesterday."

This forum only keeps the last 4 pages, which, right now, only goes back to this morning.
Dennisjk
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 5:26:26 PM

See my comment from yesterday.
EMoe57
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 2:10:51 PM

old
feistyfella
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 1:38:55 PM

Virginia
bluebird1
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 12:27:13 PM

Is this still going around???
dbecks44
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 11:36:09 AM

Oops. That darn constitution.
CapriceWagon
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 11:35:04 AM

Whoah - someone actually looking at the constitutionality of a law? When did we start looking at that old rag again? The states are getting as bad as the feds, these days
Lologogo
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 11:00:31 AM

a lot of states are selling public programs just like this to private companies. A little shady if you ask me
5Golfer8
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:39:21 AM

If you impose tolls on roads then no tax payer monies should ever be used for those roads and if the roads fall into disrepair then those in charge should be held criminally responsible.
dwbuddy
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:37:46 AM

guess he was not paid off or not paid enough...like most judges are in these cases. Good for the Judge- hold to your morals.
Emmamae1
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:36:07 AM

good news for the commuter.
bell05
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:34:31 AM

Old news.
hibsaw
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:33:27 AM

I say let the users pay for the tunnels, not the taxpayers.
Digger52
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:32:50 AM

old news. . .
oldforger
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:31:18 AM

haa
tpguess
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:31:17 AM

There is a Judge for all opinions..
Insuremn
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:30:45 AM

Old news.
Edamon
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:30:32 AM

ok
lightbulbman2008
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:29:20 AM

again...
bjdorval
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:28:56 AM

The judge said the same thing yesterday, does he feel the need to repeat himself?
nskmda
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:28:24 AM

still here?
sm5240
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:28:02 AM

OK
BigOyl
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:27:49 AM

Agreed Long! Also agreed Smoke (LOL btw)!
BlueVanGroup
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:27:44 AM


We have too much unconstitutional delegation of power to the executive branch at the federal level as well.
tomklo
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:27:37 AM

old
HATinMUNDY
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:27:32 AM

Sounds like a conspiracy.....
LongPlay
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:26:35 AM

Don't know for sure but tolls are a good way to have users pay! I am sick of the government using my gas taxes to give train riders a discount!
wilsmoke
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:26:30 AM

Who would ever think of doing something unconstitutional.
INBwana
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:26:16 AM


Another old news story.
TopGunn
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:26:03 AM

Old again
GorillaMN
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:25:50 AM

YAWN!
indyjim
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 10:25:23 AM

ok
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