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PD Moderator	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:30:32 PM Ignore PD Report Abuse The American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers (AFPM) responded recently to the recent U.S. Court of Appeals decision to deny petitions to rehear a case on the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) decision to allow gasoline containing 15 percent ethanol – called "E15" – to be sold into the general fuel supply for use in some motor vehicles and engines. I'm in general agreement with the ARPM and other organizations that are lobbying against the increased used of ethanol, mean while corn growers continue to rally for the increased use of ethanol, which is not a shock given what ethanol has done to boost the price of corn. Americans should not be forced by any organization to consume gasoline that contains ethanol, and... Visit GasBuddy Blog for full article

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The American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers (AFPM) responded recently to the recent U.S. Court of Appeals decision to deny petitions to rehear a case on the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) decision to allow gasoline containing 15 percent ethanol – called "E15" – to be sold into the general fuel supply for use in some motor vehicles and engines.

I'm in general agreement with the ARPM and other organizations that are lobbying against the increased used of ethanol, mean while corn growers continue to rally for the increased use of ethanol, which is not a shock given what ethanol has done to boost the price of corn.

Americans should not be forced by any organization to consume gasoline that contains ethanol, and...

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Ray_10589 Champion Author New York Posts:4,931 Points:1,180,060 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 10:41:07 PM Ignore Ray_10589 Report Abuse E15 is no good ...
autotech46 Veteran Author New Hampshire Posts:424 Points:60,230 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 3:08:13 PM Ignore autotech46 Report Abuse small engine manufactory must love the stuff as you have to keep buying new equipment or pay dearly for the parts and labor to repair them. None of the stations around here have e-15 or real gas. Two years ago the premium was only 5% but its all 10% now. I paid dearly with replacement parts that just dissolved this past summer. Fortunately I'm able to repair my own equipment, and just have to pay for the parts.
kiosk12y Champion Author Tulsa Posts:3,601 Points:678,620 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 10:33:04 PM Ignore kiosk12y Report Abuse hmmmm...
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,590 Points:1,606,595 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:44:27 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse EtOH has never been the answer.
gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,442 Points:1,323,805 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:24:37 AM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse There were some fairly good reasons a few years ago to "stretch" our fuel with ethanol. None exist now. Drivers have learned ethanol doesn't work so good (poor millage) and it may damage some engines (poor us). But if corn farmers are that hard up why not go back to the days of paying them not to raise corn and so forth. Or better yet, quit using my tax dollars to pay refiners to buy ethanol which I don't like to use anyway which forces up the prices of corn which makes feed and meat products higher. Oh well...I can't think of one good thing this does except help make a bunch of corporate corn farmers up around Nebraska rich. They need to get back to tending to their football and stuff that they know about. Just sayin....
Rappcommuter Veteran Author Virginia Posts:467 Points:553,105 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:57:53 AM Ignore Rappcommuter Report Abuse At least it isn't mandatory to use. I am still concerned that if it is cheaper, gas stations will only sell E15 and cause problems with cars. I also don't think taking food and converting it to fuel is a good idea.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,590 Points:1,606,595 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:14:56 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse we can't afford using food to waste in idling cars.
Donatelo Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,118 Points:291,825 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:02:49 AM Ignore Donatelo Report Abuse food for fuel not a good idea , unless there is breakthrough in cellulose technology.
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:6,059 Points:1,666,625 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:09:07 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse I'm not going to buy it.
Billbop Champion Author St. Louis Posts:2,782 Points:1,449,190 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 5:32:46 PM Ignore Billbop Report Abuse People complained about "unleaded gas" and E-10. Since more and more ethanol is being made with biomass and not corn. According to The U.S. Departments of Energy and Agriculture's Billion-Ton Study found that we can grow adequate biomass feedstocks to displace approximately 30 percent of current gasoline consumption by 2030 on a sustainable basis. A 30% drop in current gas uses and better mileage means OPEC can eat their oil.
milespergallon Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,729 Points:1,905,335 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:36:30 PM Ignore milespergallon Report Abuse Yesterday
Trowinsamoan Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,142 Points:183,915 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:30:00 PM Ignore Trowinsamoan Report Abuse Not for me
dlemma Champion Author Wyoming Posts:4,091 Points:1,552,095 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:20:36 PM Ignore dlemma Report Abuse E15 is horrible....corn is for FOOD, not FUEL.
DarthDadJr Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,297 Points:1,518,045 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 3:27:54 PM Ignore DarthDadJr Report Abuse I have no problem using it...I just have concerns that there are still many vehicles on the road today that can't use it and if they do, it will harm their engines.
CostEngineer Veteran Author Sacramento Posts:255 Points:139,955 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 3:08:46 PM Ignore CostEngineer Report Abuse I haven't heard of any problems, but I'm pretty isolated when it comes to this stuff
bullseye100 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,414 Points:581,555 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 2:43:41 PM Ignore bullseye100 Report Abuse As an automotive repair shop owner I guess we will see an even higher failure rate of fuel pumps.
TeamDAAK Rookie Author Omaha Posts:1 Points:106,695 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:43:07 PM Ignore TeamDAAK Report Abuse I have usually used ethanol/gasohol (E10?) in my vehicles for pretty much as long as ethanol has been around and I have never had a fuel system related problem. I have put 100s of 1,000s of miles on vehicles and never had one have fuel related issues. Even snopes weighed in on the subject: http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp As we know though, ethanol blends are not for every vehicle. Wikipedia addresses most of the blends here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E10_fuel#E10_or_less ----------- As far as not eating field corn, which is used for ethanol, field corn on the cob _can_ be eaten like sweet corn on the cob early in the ear development and while not as good as sweet corn, it is pretty good. Field corn is also used for indirect human consumption, I believe most commonly in cereals and in corn syrup used in many soft drinks and many foods. It is likely you "eat" field corn every day. From http://www.ethanol.org/news/index.php?newsid=4 "Many don't realize that corn for ethanol and corn for human consumption are two different types. Field corn, the type used to feed livestock, goes into ethanol production. Sweet corn, a very small portion of the U.S. crop, is the type eaten by humans." Also visit this site for more information on field corn usage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_corn ----------- As far as ethanol giving you lower fuel mileage, I've run current my truck, the first one I've owned that is rated for Flex Fuel, on all grades of fuel, including E85. The more the ethanol, the lower the fuel mileage. In my opinion, the consumer needs to weigh the age of their vehicle and the cost per gallon per mile for each fuel grade. If it cost less per mile to run E85 then run E85. If it costs less per mile to use Premium, or E10, then run those. Lately I run E10 only because I'm too lazy to do the cost per mile comparisons. Since the group subject is E-15, I'll state that to the best of my knowledge, for ethanol fuels, I've only run E-10 and E-85. I don't even know where to buy E-15 in the Omaha area. Just my $0.02!
eaglev Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,001 Points:937,155 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:18:24 PM Ignore eaglev Report Abuse They may say that it is OK to use, but my personal cars dropped over 10% using E-10 and my Lincoln check engine light comes on when I use E10. I want to use 1005 gas
FieroGT Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:14,307 Points:2,503,085 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:18:04 PM Ignore FieroGT Report Abuse Well well, the court got it right!
Zeke33 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:5,561 Points:1,613,720 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:17:25 PM Ignore Zeke33 Report Abuse The court of Appeals must have received some PAC money from the Corn Lobby.
TAT36 Champion Author Florida Posts:6,783 Points:1,300,000 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:15:14 PM Ignore TAT36 Report Abuse An article this last week said any vehicle manufactured in 2001 or later could use E15 without harm. Guess some of these people do not live in the real world where people have to, because of economics, drive a vehicle older than that. Just another way to control the population and the economy.
OnEmptyMO Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,974 Points:1,484,675 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:12:53 PM Ignore OnEmptyMO Report Abuse Stop messing with the food chain.
doncNJ Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,506 Points:1,502,170 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:12:03 PM Ignore doncNJ Report Abuse Do away with ethanol entirely.
njerald Champion Author Seattle Posts:7,809 Points:1,620,050 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:10:16 PM Ignore njerald Report Abuse Liberals screw us again............
georged12 All-Star Author Michigan Posts:836 Points:52,410 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:09:16 PM Ignore georged12 Report Abuse Corn is food not fuel.
uglytom Champion Author Florida Posts:7,464 Points:1,542,015 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:07:50 PM Ignore uglytom Report Abuse Won't buy it!
divebomber Champion Author Nebraska Posts:6,063 Points:1,809,350 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:06:31 PM Ignore divebomber Report Abuse NO ETHANOL!
dougtaylor1 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:1,746 Points:444,000 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:05:18 PM Ignore dougtaylor1 Report Abuse Burn up your engine to keep the planet............corn growing and not for food?
goinwgas All-Star Author Oregon Posts:853 Points:229,325 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:04:56 PM Ignore goinwgas Report Abuse ethanol from corn is a waste
mikesr100 Champion Author Sacramento Posts:3,873 Points:1,076,860 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:04:51 PM Ignore mikesr100 Report Abuse Your surprised we don't live in a free country anymore! We live in a 3rd world dictatorship!
jimedB Veteran Author Riverside Posts:385 Points:78,515 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:00:49 PM Ignore jimedB Report Abuse And who do we sue when it ruins our cars?
Ticoman54 Champion Author Miami Posts:7,026 Points:1,488,020 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:00:40 PM Ignore Ticoman54 Report Abuse Kill Ethanol...
jeskibuff Champion Author Tampa Posts:7,866 Points:1,444,460 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:00:04 PM Ignore jeskibuff Report Abuse DJRIO said: "less ethanol is good" No ethanol is BEST!
Bigtex09 Champion Author Dallas Posts:4,273 Points:1,156,360 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:59:41 PM Ignore Bigtex09 Report Abuse crazy really crazy
briinnc Champion Author North Carolina Posts:2,705 Points:834,820 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:59:17 PM Ignore briinnc Report Abuse EPA sucks.
TheDix Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,094 Points:600,210 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:58:16 PM Ignore TheDix Report Abuse Win some lose most.
DYSKYPILOT Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:2,882 Points:622,555 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:57:19 PM Ignore DYSKYPILOT Report Abuse Ok.
vjs3 Champion Author Denver Posts:2,521 Points:646,515 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:55:24 PM Ignore vjs3 Report Abuse Yep, time will tell...
JimL1 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:8,206 Points:1,239,570 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:50:53 PM Ignore JimL1 Report Abuse It has become apparent that congress and our justice system has been bought and paid for. Another example of justice being bought and paid for can be found if you google "Kids for cash scandal" It is really wild that the prosecutor who refused to prosecute the corrupt judges replace one of the corrupt judges who was successfully prosecuted federally.
DJRIO Champion Author Miami Posts:8,030 Points:1,422,660 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:50:46 PM Ignore DJRIO Report Abuse less ethanol is good
hank1326 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:8,898 Points:1,730,035 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:50:38 PM Ignore hank1326 Report Abuse Time will tell the truth.
TXryder Champion Author Texas Posts:2,691 Points:429,705 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:50:20 PM Ignore TXryder Report Abuse The 10% that we have now are damaging enough. It destroys 2 cycle motors like chain saws. Also damaging to lawn mowers. Those in the business rather buy a $4 or $5 quart of pure gas to run on soas to save their equipment. Bottom line is Bush Nut ethanol mandate sucks and so does the EPA.
RichFWA Champion Author Tacoma Posts:1,171 Points:288,790 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:49:56 PM Ignore RichFWA Report Abuse This is surely going to ruin engines.
smokinjoe54 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,702 Points:909,490 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:49:50 PM Ignore smokinjoe54 Report Abuse Not for me.
5Golfer8 Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,128 Points:298,600 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:49:19 PM Ignore 5Golfer8 Report Abuse It is time to get rid of the dictators.
snappytom2 Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:3,532 Points:273,790 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:48:51 PM Ignore snappytom2 Report Abuse Ethanol belongs in booze, not my gas tank.
Marson Champion Author Scranton Posts:8,932 Points:2,075,235 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:47:06 PM Ignore Marson Report Abuse Any ethanol is too much.
MightyDude Champion Author Minnesota Posts:10,335 Points:2,645,070 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:46:09 PM Ignore MightyDude Report Abuse nuts
Double_Golden Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,545 Points:602,460 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:46:04 PM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse banned ethanol for all, corn price need to come down...
flyfast Champion Author Kansas City Posts:9,233 Points:1,822,035 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:46:04 PM Ignore flyfast Report Abuse NO TO ETHANOL IN GAS