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Message Posted: May 11, 2012 2:58:18 PM

Motorists- beware. A U.S. Senate transportation bill (S. 1813) is currently being negotiated in the U.S. House and Senate, and the Senate recently inserted a provision in the bill that would mandate the use of black boxes in all vehicles starting with the 2015 model year.

While this may not mean much for some motorists, it's a sign of what's coming: more government insight into how you drive your vehicle. According to The Newspaper, "Under text of S. 1813, also known as MAP-21, the information stored on an event data recorder could be retrieved under a court order "in the furtherance of a legal proceeding," by employees of the Department of Transportation in the event of an accident, and by anyone "for the purpose of determining the...

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fonz08wrx
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 2:11:53 PM

i really hate the government we don't drive damn planes
Raider44
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 5:34:19 AM

although I obey the laws, I find this reprehensible.
mabrams184
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 6:46:03 PM

Tracking everything you do.
2parrots
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 1:00:01 PM

Orwellian
JOHNJOEYJOE
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2014 1:14:15 AM

This is bad.
JOHNJOEYJOE
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2014 7:09:35 AM

Going to do everything I can to avoid purchasing any modern car because of unnessary add on toys, trinkets and bell crap like this.
loboso
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 12:38:44 AM

Big brother imposed by the insurance agency
JOHNJOEYJOE
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 7:15:00 AM

This is not good.
RevMarket
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 12:16:30 AM

A bad plan....
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2014 1:47:13 AM

Sounds like a plan
deant99
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 10:52:05 PM

This is a great idea but is also an invasion of privacy. The theory is good but I'm sure the insurance industry will have some ulterior motives.
magpie2013
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2014 7:39:19 PM

Just a new Dew hicky that can cause trouble and land us in court for a while. Not to mention how much it will cost the consumer to replace when damaged. You know like the electric windows and seat and steering wheel heaters. Granted the windows I love, but the rest is for the idiots that do not know how to spend their money. So how long before the layers figure out the loop holes in this little gadget and pass the cost onto us little guys! Having a car will be like having your worst enemy in the car with you, it can't tell on the human side how and why the reactions of both drivers are!
Calbo1
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2014 12:02:07 PM

voice your opinion and write your congressman or senator, if enough people call or write they will feel the heat and back down.
mbfd302
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2014 12:18:00 AM

Fifth amendment right against self incrimination out the window, car will testify against you.
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2014 11:45:33 AM

Stop with more government.
JOHNJOEYJOE
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2014 7:31:40 AM

This is not good. Too much Big Brother in our lives now. The consumer should gang together and boycott this kind of government oversite.
gasmask78
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2014 1:07:26 PM

too much gov't. just want to tax people more...Rawr.
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2014 10:54:12 AM

ok
2005Retired
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2014 2:54:25 PM

we had dealer install backup camera.
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2014 9:50:15 AM

more NSA like snooping
riggers711
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2014 5:35:33 AM

The use of technology to watch us is unfortunately here to stay and growing
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2014 4:07:25 AM

Black box recorders, a good thing until somebody starts looking over your shoulder, so to speak.
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2014 3:26:21 AM

Saw this story creeping back up a few days ago!
insightcruzer
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Message Posted: May 25, 2012 12:18:42 PM

Well, that's enough for me to get out the horse and buggy. It's a sad time when every aspect of our life is under scrutiny.
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Message Posted: May 25, 2012 12:00:05 PM

Ah yes, I can see it now. Speedlimit signs with their beacons sending signals to your black box of the speed limit..the little black box telling the speed monitor gadget you're speeding, a speeding ticket waiting your arrival at home..via email of course. And if you don't pay it another computer turns your car off. I can see more, but I don't want to look....
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 9:08:49 AM

no
albert2008
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Message Posted: May 23, 2012 8:50:51 AM

not nice
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Message Posted: May 22, 2012 7:13:13 PM

honda0105 points out:

"I don't use OnStar, but the data still needs to be stored SOMEwhere for it to be mined in the world of Big Data."

You don't suppose, do you, that GM stores the data that it receives? At the very least, it needs to "store" the data for maintenance and warranty determinations.

There is no point in "selling" data that you haven't collected, so its no surprise that GM "stores" this information, and then resells it. GM admits that it "collects" the data, which must mean storing it. Probably, GM has its own programmers mining its database with an eye to reducing warranty costs, and to help sell more fleet vehicles to law enforcement agencies.

The Nissan Leaf also breaks new ground, making all of its data available wirelessly to the world.Wikipedia on OnStar

CBS News

OnStar owner's blog
honda0105
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Message Posted: May 18, 2012 11:55:55 PM

I don't use OnStar, but the data still needs to be stored SOMEwhere for it to be mined in the world of Big Data.
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Message Posted: May 18, 2012 6:18:25 PM

honda0105 cautions:

"Esquirrel: but it only does so for about the last 1 - 2 minutes, IIRC. The way I understand the article, there will be a lot more data points stored."

Existing OnStar systems report data wirelessly; they don't need to store a lot of data.

Existing Volt and Leaf models broadcast data in real-time.
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Message Posted: May 18, 2012 9:04:40 AM

things that make you wonder.
honda0105
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Message Posted: May 18, 2012 5:42:05 AM

Esquirrel: but it only does so for about the last 1 - 2 minutes, IIRC. The way I understand the article, there will be a lot more data points stored.
E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:18:17 PM

Before you get too excited about this story, you should know that your present vehicle ALREADY HAS A "BLACK BOX" IN IT.

If your vehicle is equipped with air bags, this black box is already in your car, and yes, its data is used to determine how you were driving, typically, just before an accident. The only real change coming will be to make the data more readily available to "authorities". Do you have a GM car equipped with OnStar? Even if you turn "off" this service, it still reports....

Black Box Technology
honda0105
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Message Posted: May 17, 2012 5:37:14 AM

BMW: good luck. Might disable the whole vehicle.
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Message Posted: May 16, 2012 10:33:41 AM

I'll pull it out
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Message Posted: May 16, 2012 8:35:19 AM

i hope not
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Message Posted: May 16, 2012 6:16:46 AM

"does that mean, you get tickets by going over the speed limit even if there's no cop around?"
Sure, and since they already have your financial info, the system will just auto-bill you, and then forward the info to your insurance company and credit bureaus.
honda0105
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Message Posted: May 16, 2012 6:00:32 AM

does that mean, you get tickets by going over the speed limit even if there's no cop around?
albert2008
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 8:48:50 AM

hope not
wildddkattt80
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Message Posted: May 15, 2012 8:34:49 AM

I do not hear anything good with this,
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 10:05:27 PM

All I can think of for those that see this as having no downside, watch out what you wish for.
blueBMW480
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:01:46 PM

I can't wait
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 3:37:27 PM

Interesting...
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 1:37:32 PM

Thank you for posting.
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 12:59:20 PM

good
Smash591
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 11:58:58 AM

Scary stuff... the minute cops begin downloading my driving history and assessing fines after the fact, is the minute I sell my car and ride the bus - it will be much cheaper!
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 11:38:39 AM

Price alert- price alert-- price alert--- Speedway/Marathon's gas czar has just fixed the new price at $3.89.9 cents per gallon in the Great Lakes States!! This at a time when crude oil prices are10.00 dollars lower than a week ago! This is nothing more than profiteering and price gouging at the American consumers expense!! It is just like shaking the proverbial money tree as the price goes up the money fall from the tree--our wallets-- and into the profit margin of Big Oil --- Congress help us by putting controls on the big Oil monopoly in America!
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:52:00 AM

Now they CAN TAX YOU on any Driving they feel done Unecessary or too fast or too slow, later the govt could even limit your travel by setting limits, taxing you for "using too much fuel" or etc, of course any accident whether your fault or not, even if Not your fault, your data can be used against you, pandora's box + Big Brother combined...
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:11:33 AM

why so late!
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Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:07:19 AM

Yes, Big Brother is watching
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