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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 11:17:59 AM

Delta Air Lines is buying the idled ConocoPhillips refinery in Trainer, PA and is expected to shift the majority of its production to jet fuel. Pennsylvania's state government is contributing $30 million to subsidize the deal.

It's the second major move involving a Pennsylvania refinery in as many days. Yesterday we shared the news that Energy Transfer Partners in Dallas acquired Sunoco and its (335,000 bpd) Philadelphia refinery.

The news that these refineries will remain in operation may be good news for the steelworkers who work there, and certainly keeping the Sunoco refinery in Philadelphia operating should help meet regional demand for gasoline. But whether Delta's purchase of this refinery is a positive note for...

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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2012 11:00:44 AM

On Jul 24, 2012 3:03:17 PM, txrojo2005 wrote:

>Delta is trying to hedge its oil prices. It seems like it should work.
>But does Delta really know how to refine jet fuel?

There are a lot of unemployed ConocoPhillips refinery employees in PA who would likely go to work for the new Delta Air Lines refinery in a heartbeat. That is if Phillips 66 isn't running it in the first place. Their gasoline output will go to Phillips 66 as that company has taken over the refining and marketing operations of ConocoPhillips.
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2012 4:03:17 PM

Delta is trying to hedge its oil prices. It seems like it should work. But does Delta really know how to refine jet fuel?

[Edited by: txrojo2005 at 7/24/2012 4:05:06 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2012 2:44:40 PM

very good
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 6:29:17 PM

I'm sure that their intent is to lower their costs, but that would take a long time and continuing higher airfares until it is seen. Could be interesting and may start a trend for the other airlines to try!
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 7:52:32 AM

ok
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Message Posted: Jun 8, 2012 12:31:48 PM

This refinery runs on Brent. Not sure this was wise investment.
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Message Posted: May 25, 2012 11:13:34 AM

ok
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Message Posted: May 25, 2012 9:15:47 AM

I like Delta and hope this helps cut the prices some in order to make them more popular.
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 6:06:15 PM

Good thing someone bought it!!
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Message Posted: May 5, 2012 5:08:53 PM

we'll see how it pays off for Delta. Hopefully it will...
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 3:08:08 AM

If there is a refinery available in Trainer, PA and a chance to control your jet fuel costs, do so! Make jet fuel for your business, employ people that may be out of work and the state gets their tax dollars too. Good move for Delta!
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Message Posted: May 3, 2012 9:40:20 AM

ok
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Message Posted: May 3, 2012 8:40:51 AM

good for them
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Message Posted: May 3, 2012 1:03:34 AM

And the planes taxi up to the cat crackers at the refinery?"
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 2:33:37 PM

Good luck!
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 11:00:40 AM

Good luck, Delta.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:52:47 AM

Hope it's successful.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:51:13 AM

Yesterday's news...again!!!!
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:50:11 AM

Well, this is interesting.

Fuel is the TOP COST for Airlines, is Delta not the largest carrier in the world, so it would seem to be a BOLD Move to secure and control their own Fuel source, they could lower costs potentially and even profit from sales to other carriers....

This has potential. I would say it is really Bold, it will depend on how they run it, bring in the right talent, set up a subsidiary...
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:46:50 AM

Delta Air Lines is buying the idled ConocoPhillips refinery in Trainer, PA and is expected to shift the majority of its production to jet fuel. Pennsylvania's state government is contributing $30 million to subsidize the deal.

Good deal for Delta, since they own the refinery they can use what they need and then sell the rest to help pay for the refinery..
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:40:15 AM

We will see how this works out?
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:38:51 AM

This should help Delta and provide more gas for the northeast, but the refinery will need cheap oil to really help anyone.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:38:47 AM

WAH WAH WEE WAH
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:38:07 AM

Bad move for Delta as this venture is too far from their core competencies to make a marginal profitable refinery at least break even.

Good move by the state to give 30 Million over five years as they will make much more than that by having the refinery stay open.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:38:03 AM

interesting
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:36:27 AM

Jamer, not only that but the consumer will probably foot the bill for the purchase.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:35:01 AM

Maybe I could drill in my back yard and set up a still to process the crude ;-)
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:34:40 AM

i believe they will get a lesson in economics of running a refinery.. there is a reason it was sold.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:34:07 AM

This is good for Delta as it reduces the ability of oil companies to jerk them around. Wish I could figure out a way to do that.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:33:34 AM

ok
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:32:45 AM

I'm quite sure NO savings will be passed on to the consumer.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:32:34 AM

Smart move by Delta.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:32:20 AM

Ticket prices will still be high & if they refine less gas so will gas prices!!
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:31:56 AM

Great news!
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:31:20 AM

As long as it saves fuel costs.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:29:44 AM

Yet another government bailout in the name of saving jobs.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:29:04 AM

So they will cut ticket prices.... right ?? WRONG !!!!
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:27:53 AM

decades ago companies that tried this sort of vertical integration got slapped with federal monopoly lawsuits. Is this different?
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:22:58 AM

This could be the start of a new trend.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:22:16 AM

that may save some of the money ...
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:22:01 AM

good for them
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:21:13 AM

they are takening away east coast refineries
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:21:03 AM

Interesting acquisition
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:20:04 AM

Monday's news.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:19:32 AM

I want jet fuel for my Jeep!
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:19:14 AM

So will they cut out the bag fees since they have cut out the middleman for fuel?
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:18:33 AM

They can then get their JP4 fuel at cost. But, by producing more JP4 they will have to cut down on the amount of gas they produce and gas prices will go up.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:18:06 AM

Maybe they will have inflight refueling...just a joke!
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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:17:35 AM

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Message Posted: May 2, 2012 10:17:29 AM

I hope this works out for Delta and the Pennsylvania taxpayers. I wouldn't be surprised if the number crunchers have taken a look at the plan and calculated that it will have at least a 90% chance of success.
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