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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2012 11:55:17 AM

Motorists beware- more refineries may close in the years ahead, thanks to former President Bush signing requirements of rising use of ethanol and other biofuels each year, essentially guaranteeing farmers higher prices for their corn as more ethanol is required each year.

The issue here is essentially the government picking winners and losers- oil based refineries will lose while biofuels facilities will win- because of prior law requiring an increasing amount of ethanol use every year, which will result in a drop in demand for gasoline as its becomes replaced with EPA-approved E15.

Motorists should be prepared for higher gas prices and even more volatility in the price of gasoline as capacity of gasoline production drops...

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dfp609
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 2:17:48 PM

Refineries will close if they become unprofitable. Many new refineries are being constructed outside the US, where the EPA cannot regulate them "to death"
mincemeat26
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 4:37:24 PM

I agree that the EPA has become way too powerful. Mincemeat26 is in intensive care, Wife is posting for him.
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 8:56:30 AM

The EPA has become too powerful.
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2013 12:15:14 AM

Ahh, where would we be without political squabbles...
rjhenn
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2013 3:19:02 PM

Hemond - "Obama is so weak and incompetent that even today, 5 years after the Bush White House, he still has to try (badly) to measure up to his predecessor."

I agree that Obama is weak and incompetent.

So he appears to already be 'measuring up' to Bush.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2013 11:01:23 PM

::::Like a bad penny BUSH keeps showing up.
:::


Obama is so weak and incompetent that even today, 5 years after the Bush White House, he still has to try (badly) to measure up to his predecessor.
twinfanMN
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2013 9:37:24 PM

No food for fuel
pilotmass
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:19:11 AM

Like a bad penny BUSH keeps showing up.

But at least the pendulum is swinging the other way.
JOHNJOEYJOE
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2013 9:23:07 PM

Farmer Lobbies. This is all in the interest to keep the price of oil high. Even if the industry began the process to build another refinery today the permit process and environmental red tape would take years to get through Washington. Furthermore, one construction was approved it would five years to complete the refinery and get it on line. Additionally, no one wants a refinery in their back yard, but take their gasoline away and they will squeal until they get greased.
GasPriceHelp4u
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2013 6:25:42 AM

Are there any replacements to keep the production level the same???
jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 7:17:07 AM

agrico said: "stuff is still Bush's fault? really"

No surprise there. Anything the lefties can do to take the spotlight off the failings of our current Idiot-in-Chief is to be expected. They've even tried to blame the ObozoCare fiasco on Republicans. Dumbocrats just think they're too smart to fail at anything.
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 1:40:12 AM

Corn is for cows!
lyanMI
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Message Posted: Nov 24, 2013 1:37:24 AM

but energy sector is booming in US
Gas4Gore
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2013 9:18:19 PM

This is a good thing as long as new ones are built.
rjhenn
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 6:04:54 PM

steve_95037 - "My addiction of choice would be electric cars ... if the refueling problem could be fixed."

That's easy. You take an electric car, and replace some of the batteries with a gas or diesel engine and a matching generator.

All that is used for is recharging the batteries while traveling. The engine does nothing but drive the generator, which means it can be greatly simplified to run at constant load and speed, instead of having to handle varying loads and speeds.

Most of the time, you recharge by plugging it in overnight. But if you have to exceed the pure battery range, the engine kicks in and keeps you going.
Ken2OD
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 3:25:19 PM

Refineries cannot keep up with capacity now!
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 1:21:08 PM

Big business Republicans, go for big profits....
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obamacare sucks
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 1:08:58 PM

My addiction of choice would be electric cars ... if the refueling problem could be fixed.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 1:01:49 PM

::::Any replacement refineries coming on-line soon?
:::


You are joking? With NIMBY and the Sierra Club, its nearly impossible to build a refinery in the US. Plus there is no profit in it what with the small crack spread. I've read of some attempts in Arizona, and both N/S Dakota. The ND one is a small one to make diesel to serve the extraction industry.

txrojo2005
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Message Posted: Nov 11, 2013 11:26:01 AM

Any replacement refineries coming on-line soon?
agrico
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 7:37:18 PM

stuff is still Bush's fault? really
loboso
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 5:24:25 PM

either they have age or looking to drive the price of the fuel
kishoreCA
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Message Posted: Nov 10, 2013 11:39:59 AM

too bad
optionstrader
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2013 5:02:38 PM

And we won't be adding any more anytime soon.

If you're in the refining business, you'd be crazy to even want to open a new refinery in the U.S. The demand is shrinking, the environmental regulations are onerous, and the liability is high. Easier to ship refined product across the ocean or national borders than it is to refine it here.

[Edited by: optionstrader at 11/9/2013 5:02:33 PM EST]
paul12011
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2013 10:24:50 PM

ok
Gas4Gore
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 7:51:06 PM

Well said "Hemond" well said.
Gas4Gore
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2013 7:49:45 PM

Well then, it must be time to build new and sophisticated refineries.
agrico
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 8:22:40 PM

still Bush's fault - that's a stretch
rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 5:37:30 PM

"All 100 percent of the power of the federal government is invested solely in 545 individual human beings. That's all. Of 260 million Americans, only 545 of them wield 100 percent of the power of the federal government.

That's 435 members of the U.S. House, 100 senators, one president and nine Supreme Court justices. Anything involving government that is wrong is 100 percent their fault."

And aren't most of those 545 Republicans?

7;-]

[Edited by: rjhenn at 10/22/2013 5:37:54 PM EST]
Hemond
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 9:04:48 AM

:::::What we have here is more third grade drivel from people who simply can't or won't grow up.:::


If you are unaware, I can link references showing Bush has been out of office for 5 years. To bring you up to speed, the current President of the US is Obama. Bush has no influence, and has passed no legislation since leaving office 5 years ago.

The current disasters which our country is experiencing are occurring during Obama's watch. He is the president, not Bush. He is responsible, not Bush. The buck stops at Obama's desk, not Bush's.

txrojo2005
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 6:47:13 AM

Reverse the law. No food for fuel.
Houckster
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 12:04:42 AM

JESKIBUFF writes: . . . Hey, if Obozo can get congress to pass the massive train wreck of a bill known as ObozoCare without them having to read it, a simple kill-the-ethanol bill should be a cakewalk for him to get passed!

But we KNOW he wouldn't ever do such a thing, don't we? He seems to favor anything that's bad for America.
______
Still more third grade drivel. If this is the level of thought of the Hard Right, our enemies don't have to do anything. We have all we can handle with these "patriots".

If anyone of these "children left behind" ever cared to look, they would find that the ethanol mandate legislation that was passed was supported by both parties because neither could afford to ignore the voting power of the farmers.

[Edited by: Houckster at 10/22/2013 12:08:54 AM EST]
Houckster
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2013 12:01:29 AM

:::::::::Bush is long gone...there has been plenty of time for Obozo to stop the ethanol requirement, but he's too stupid to touch it.::::::::

Yup, Bush has been history for 5 years. Yet liberals continue to have blinders on regarding the ongoing failure of Obama. As well as the destruction to our country he is causing.
_______
What we have here is more third grade drivel from people who simply can't or won't grow up.
Hemond
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2013 8:19:50 AM

:::::::::Bush is long gone...there has been plenty of time for Obozo to stop the ethanol requirement, but he's too stupid to touch it.::::::::

Yup, Bush has been history for 5 years. Yet liberals continue to have blinders on regarding the ongoing failure of Obama. As well as the destruction to our country he is causing.

[Edited by: Hemond at 10/20/2013 8:20:21 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2013 12:10:39 AM

ok
agrico
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 9:51:24 PM

really - still Bush's faulty
jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2013 8:19:07 PM

rjhenn said: "How is it up to him? Congress mandated ethanol."

And congress can just as easily "unmandate" ethanol. Hey, if Obozo can get congress to pass the massive train wreck of a bill known as ObozoCare without them having to read it, a simple kill-the-ethanol bill should be a cakewalk for him to get passed!

But we KNOW he wouldn't ever do such a thing, don't we? He seems to favor anything that's bad for America.
PathfinderSC
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2013 8:00:00 PM

Sounds like something they would do.
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2013 8:02:21 AM

A positive change we be nice.
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 10:58:24 PM

Interesting
Retired-Coastie
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2013 10:03:09 AM

Or just wait for the next refinery fire and don't rebuild. That's what we've been doing for 20 years now, the price just keeps climbing.
rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2013 2:49:57 PM

How is it up to him?

Congress mandated ethanol.
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2013 11:04:11 PM

Bush is long gone...there has been plenty of time for Obozo to stop the ethanol requirement, but he's too stupid to touch it.
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 1:29:23 AM

Blame it on Bush.
rjhenn
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2013 1:11:57 AM

agrico - "balance of trade is finally decreasing due to less imports - yea corn!!"

Corn has little or nothing to do with it. Between reduced mpg and the need to burn oil to produce ethanol, it's likely that corn ethanol has done nothing to reduce our oil imports.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 3:57:09 PM

Close the old ones, build new ones. Get off the Bush kick, it is all about President Barack Hussein Obama and his strategies.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2013 3:33:10 PM

This shows soon we would have more electric cars manufacturers
agrico
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Message Posted: Aug 24, 2013 10:25:43 PM

balance of trade is finally decreasing due to less imports - yea corn!!
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Message Posted: Aug 23, 2013 8:30:04 PM

Then by Obama, let us build new ones.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2013 10:54:57 AM

Higher prices for whatever reason. Next story.
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