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PD
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2010 2:42:22 PM

Not a fan of ethanol? Be ready- the EPA will soon announce if they've approved the use of up to 15% ethanol in gasoline. Such an approval would mean increasing ethanol content from the currently allowed 10% to 15%. The EPA has been conducting studies and research attempting to see how older vehicles react to the fuel.

This all stems from a request in 2009 from Growth Energy, a pro-corn ethanol lobby group. They petitioned the EPA to allow up to E15 (15% ethanol) in gasoline sold in the United States. As required by law, the EPA had 270 days to make a decision on the request, which meant a deadline of December 1, 2009. However, on that date the EPA announced it would delay its decision until late summer of 2010 to allow for additional...

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borsht
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2013 3:51:40 PM

PD said in his post of Sep 21, 2010; “This all stems from a request in 2009 from Growth Energy, a pro-corn ethanol lobby group. They petitioned the EPA to allow up to E15 (15% ethanol) in gasoline sold in the United States.”

Now 1 1/2 years later we see how fast these guys are moving:

http://www.growthenergy.org/ethanol-issues-policy/e15/
In June 2012, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency cleared the final hurdle on E15 for consumer use. By raising the "blend wall" in gasoline from E10 to E15, Growth Energy is accelerating the use of renewable fuel, increasing energy security, creating U.S. jobs, and improving the environment by displacing conventional gasoline with low-carbon ethanol.
The first step is to use E15 in cars newer than 2001.

Now that tests are complete, EPA’s approval of E15 can and should be extended to older vehicles to make real progress in reducing America’s dependence on foreign oil. Growth Energy is working with the Department of Energy to conclude testing on vehicles manufactured prior to 2001.
WanderDan
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 11:33:53 PM

no longer news when this old
E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 5:24:37 PM

Not certain how many gas stations would actually pay to install additional tanks and pumps for what appears to be an unpopular product. Perhaps a few would drop "mid-grade" in favor of E-15. Anything over E10 is very scarce out here in California. Since my 2013's owner's manual specifically mentions E15, and warns against using it, I wouldn't even if it were free.
Bttlecat
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 1:45:33 AM

If EPA was a Gas Buddy, its icon would be as ostrich with its head in the sand (or somewhere else I cannot state in this forum)
mdcsgt
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 1:29:56 PM

Dealerships and Mechanics will LOVE IT!! More business coming from ALL THE REPAIR JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Donatelo
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 7:53:48 AM

when they break the cellulose science down and can get a greater yield from corn and other plants I would agree with increasing the ethanol use, until then food for fuel is not a great idea, food prices are rising and we are having droughts and floods.
paulweb
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 7:41:51 AM

Message posted well over 2 years ago. More recycling.
99dakota
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 5:54:35 AM

Don't use food for fuel. We have plenty of oil in the USA!
Tommyguns45
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 8:52:13 AM

Write to your Congressman we voters dont want to start funding ethanol again by giving big tax breaks
RamJammer
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2013 3:48:58 AM

Oh great, the cost of food is going up again then. Meanwhile the EPA is fighting tooth and nail to keep you from owning thrifty clean diesel engines being used everywhere else in the world, and biodiesel makers get no help from the government.
pilotmass
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 7:31:15 AM

Refuse to use it.
WanderDan
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 1:02:54 AM

never use it...
Jayburt
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 3:26:07 PM

Please no! it messes up vehicles and studies have shown when you use it it makes the check engine light come on in 80% of vehicles.
E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 5:25:08 AM

Wanda127 remarks:

"I know E-10 destroys small engines in boats & lawn equipment so how the EPA can think E-15 would not hurt older cars or even some of the new ones is beyond my understanding!"

The EPA's statements are plainly nonsense. This past week, I had to rent a car, a 2013 Nissan Altima. In the glove compartment, I found the owner's manual for the car, and I checked the manual. It explicitly mentions E15, and says NOT to use it, and that the warranty will not cover any damage caused by doing so.
Boyrr
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2013 12:06:45 PM

Ethanol in auto fuel SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
akitaone
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2013 10:12:17 PM

E10 & E15 S U C K S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WanderDan
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 12:00:12 AM

NO!!!
Wanda127
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 11:29:43 PM

Thanks E-Squirrel for the info. I know E-10 destroys small engines in boats & lawn equipment so how the EPA can think E-15 would not hurt older cars or even some of the new ones is beyond my understanding!

[Edited by: Wanda127 at 3/4/2013 11:30:31 PM EST]
Donatelo
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 3:58:15 PM

I am not a fan of using food for fuel. france is making a car that runs on compressed air, look it up. Where is our innovation and inventiveness.
Methodist
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 2:24:32 PM

been using ethanol for yrs (since early 1970's) without problems... Farm Bureau used to sell it calling it Gasohol... run at least 50% to 85%....
year round...

ohh by the way... up until last yrs draught The Fed's were still paying for some farmers to NOT grow due to excess in storage...
wolfsbane
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 6:29:46 AM

Peta will like this. The price for beef will go through the roof.
WanderDan
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 11:20:19 PM

rather not
Gas4Gore
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 11:12:19 AM

Great idea for all cars and trucks built before, let's say, 1980.
E-Squirrel
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 1:37:51 AM

This is essentially a ridiculous idea, brought by the corn-ethanol lobby to increase their income. Talk about oil company greed; the corn lobby has them beat.

The EPA tries to promulgate this idea that only older cars cannot accept E15. This is plainly false. This past month, I bought a new, 2013 Mazda, and the owners manual very plainly states that a maximum of 10% ONLY is approved for use; E15 is expressly warned against. Use of ethanol above 10% will void the manufacturers` warranty.

We really need to put a foot down to this E15 nonsense. Next thing, they will be demanding that only E85 be sold in 3 years.
dvx4002004
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 10:23:23 PM

Not a good idea
pilotmass
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 8:22:37 AM

No thank you
Lakepirate13
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 6:39:22 PM

We need battery powered cars.
paulweb
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Message Posted: Feb 28, 2013 11:47:56 AM

More dam* engine wrecking fuel. When will it stop?
gasokie
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 11:36:53 PM

Why haven't we as motorists written letters (I haven't yet) and see if we could block this E-15? Hold it to E-10? Why don't we demand the E-10 be phased out. If not out why not try for a compromise? Reduce it to E-9 and a year or even 2 go to the E-8 and over a period of years (10 perhaps) get it down to E-5? That would be a sop to the corn farmers and help them keep the price of their corn up a little as well as get rid of some of the excess. I don't think E-5 is a bad blend. After all we used to add a little alcohol to help absorb moisture and I've read that a blend such as that wouldn't harm hoses and may even enhance gasoline a little. We need to speak up and try to get our needs addresed up where something can be done...Congress..
csh7586
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 7:18:02 PM

Great. My engine is crying already.
TheDix
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2010 5:08:25 PM


Get it over with.
OHMS
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2010 1:52:06 PM

Where are all of those NASCUR reposts now that we need them; how do I again have a moderator's post dated sept 21 atop my current new with NO replies?
30mpg80
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Message Posted: Oct 16, 2010 10:55:15 PM

Label should be mandatory
derKraut
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Message Posted: Oct 15, 2010 5:12:09 PM

This seems to be a dumb decision the EPA and Government are forcing on people that don't want or need it.

Food supply first.
PeteOhki
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2010 5:04:35 PM

@OHMS: I don't know. I was thinking this might be the way the GB system expires and lock down topics (when all four pages are empty)?
OHMS
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2010 3:41:38 PM

what the hay:? an empty post from PD moderator dated sept 21; it is oct 8 and this empty post appears atop my new news topics? How can that be (again)?
MikLamb
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Message Posted: Oct 8, 2010 1:12:54 AM

Yuck!
PathfinderSC
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2010 5:37:10 PM

This clearly shows the Government don't listen to us.
NO Ethanol
RegularGasUser
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2010 2:41:42 PM

E-10 is bad enough. I hate to see this coming.
OHMS
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2010 1:42:12 PM

I YAM A FAN; BRING IT!

P.S. I just noticed after I posted the first response to a moderator's news article that it was dated Sept. 21st!!
After I clicked on back to articles (not favorite or golden oldies) this article came up with NO responses. I've been criticized before for bringing up old articles; so here I've done it again; but damned if it is intentional. Any ideas?

[Edited by: OHMS at 10/5/2010 1:45:16 PM EST]
POLELANE
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2010 7:31:08 PM

I think October qualifies for "late summer", don't you?
pliskin
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2010 6:55:21 PM

The article says that the EPA is conducting research to see how older vehicles react to the newer fuel combination.
First the EPA, I don't think, has the qualifications to properly do the research necessary. They are one government agency that simply plod along making determinations based on their own brand of science and calculations in just about all that they do. Their history since their inception points out this fact.
Scientific research about the use of ethanol even before it was introduced to the public warned of the damage to carburetor engines and possible fuel line and tank damage as well. It causes the exhaust valves in older engines to recede into their seats as well. This has already been well documented and proven for the 10% blend.
The EPA and their latest testing is just another waste of our money, our food sources, and busy work for one of the most useless and overstaffed government agencies!
POLELANE
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2010 5:58:18 PM

still waiting to hear; should hear it first on gas buddy
Vette1967
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2010 11:11:13 PM

Fine...It just better not ruin my engine.
OHMS
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2010 2:23:02 PM

The GOOD news is for those that support ethanol use in fuel; the EPA will soon announce...half empty or half full?
zippoking
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2010 12:11:46 PM

horse!
PeteOhki
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2010 6:55:40 AM

(Picture this...)

A haggard, dilapidated automobile, a few rusts is starting to show, sits on a curb resting a sign on its bumper that reads: "Will work for booze."

(Caption: The last days of an ethanol junkie...)

 
Suddenly, someone shouts, "Butanol!"
*Bing--its headlights 'light' up*

(Caption: ...before it discovered butanol fuel...
Hold on. A sleek little Ferrari in red just pulled up. Is it?...Yes! The haggard auto is actually trying to rev up... EW! It just spewed radiator fluid! Ooo! And all over its front tires...And, it's now trying to shake it off! The Ferrari is inching away. No, correction; it screeching away as the haggard auto attempts to appeal. Blimey! Can that Ferrari burn rubber!...And, let me tell you, what a set of wheels they are.)
honda0105
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2010 9:17:24 PM

I am NOT looking forward to this...
YLHandyman
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2010 11:55:02 PM

My gas mileage on my pick up is bad enough. With 15% ethanol it probably won't even run. At least my hybrid will function.
sdslim
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2010 8:18:41 PM

Bad news!
OHMS
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2010 2:47:18 PM

Ethanol is a great solvent; in many of the engine cleaners and aftermarket products. It is hygoscopic; but so it gasoline.
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