Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    5:34 AM

Message Forum - Read Message

Category: Daily News Article Discussions > Topics Add to favorite topics  
Author Topic: A Civil War Is Brewing In The Race To Replace Gasoline-Powered Cars Read more: http://www.businessi Back to Topics
greshams

Champion Author
Cincinnati

Posts:4,787
Points:1,022,120
Joined:Nov 2011
Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 10:40:15 PM

Elon Musk announced Thursday that Tesla would open up its patents for fair use.

Among other things, he said a company's relying on patents for revenue is a sign of weakness, and he slammed the state of patent controls in America.

Hidden among the patents announcement was Musk's comments on automakers' use of fuel cells, which use the reaction from combining hydrogen with oxygen to generate electricity.

"I don't think fuel cells are a viable path," he said. "Even the best theoretical fuel cell doesn't compete with batteries. It doesn't seem like the right move."

This is a weighty statement to make. Confronted with rising costs and flagging sales, major automakers have been ramping up fuel cell production while winding down their battery-powered vehicles. Chrysler-Fiat CEO Sergio Marchi
Visit Business Insider for full article
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
Profile Pic
DrCashFlow
Champion Author Massachusetts

Posts:9,687
Points:2,252,885
Joined:Jun 2008
Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 4:10:17 PM

Weird headline
Profile Pic
52MPG
Champion Author Dayton

Posts:10,002
Points:2,387,900
Joined:Apr 2006
Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 11:23:14 AM

I agree with Elon in regards to fuel cells.
Profile Pic
MadFueler
Champion Author Winston-Salem

Posts:3,976
Points:819,020
Joined:Sep 2012
Message Posted: Jun 15, 2014 8:29:42 AM

"Even the best theoretical fuel cell doesn't compete with batteries."

A bold statement, seeing that both are in their infancy; a biased one as well.
Profile Pic
Janr85
All-Star Author New Jersey

Posts:676
Points:273,570
Joined:Apr 2014
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 10:10:11 PM

All paths should be pursued. It may not always be one way. There could be regional winners based on several factors. For instance, solar energy is better in some regions than others. Technologies not even developed yet may be more efficient in some regions.
Profile Pic
LanguageMan1
Champion Author Tampa

Posts:16,119
Points:2,309,285
Joined:Apr 2008
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 1:52:21 PM

Elon Musk is so full of himself it's not funny.

Hydrogen fuel cells and other alternatives have as much potential and more than most batteries on the market now or in the future. He just wants the glory, fame, money, etc., that he'll get.

I could do better than most of them put together. I know others that could as well.

[Edited by: LanguageMan1 at 6/14/2014 1:52:36 PM EST]
Profile Pic
HorizonChaser
Champion Author Montgomery

Posts:4,142
Points:1,019,675
Joined:Dec 2011
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 12:26:15 PM

worth reading
Profile Pic
car253
Champion Author Ohio

Posts:8,879
Points:2,080,675
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 9:02:27 AM

It will be one long war.
Profile Pic
Dennis783
Champion Author Des Moines

Posts:16,325
Points:3,324,145
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 8:12:28 AM

as a country we have to decide on an alternative then develop it
Profile Pic
jfknaples
Champion Author Florida

Posts:1,086
Points:403,415
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 7:14:30 AM

Well were we put our golf clubs and luggage - need to address trunk space.
Profile Pic
dodsworth
Champion Author Salem

Posts:3,525
Points:932,330
Joined:Jul 2012
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 1:02:18 AM

Interesting.
Profile Pic
TC5504
Champion Author West Virginia

Posts:3,602
Points:839,460
Joined:Sep 2012
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 12:40:31 AM

Will have to wait and see
Profile Pic
Raider44
Champion Author Allentown

Posts:3,050
Points:2,207,545
Joined:Apr 2008
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 12:36:21 AM

competition is good, at least until the Chinese steal or are given our secrets.
Profile Pic
PainterRandy
Rookie Author California

Posts:20
Points:10,305
Joined:Oct 2012
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 12:31:39 AM

We have technology to go to the moon & beyond so I'm believing we could easily do better with our energy sources!
Profile Pic
papajcs
Champion Author Indiana

Posts:1,735
Points:1,117,120
Joined:Jun 2011
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 12:20:22 AM

We will wait and see how this shakes out.
Profile Pic
MikeCapeCoral
Champion Author Cape Coral

Posts:5,042
Points:1,065,615
Joined:Feb 2012
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 12:16:27 AM

We need ALL types of power. Don't go in just one direction.
Profile Pic
jrschl
Champion Author Louisville

Posts:5,709
Points:1,328,015
Joined:Jun 2011
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 12:09:33 AM

I don't care what happens, I just feel there needs to be competition and alternatives so there are checks and balances. Fuel has become a weapon on society, and seriously inhibits people and business from being able to enjoy things.
Profile Pic
pricewar
Champion Author Ogden

Posts:4,744
Points:922,305
Joined:Jul 2012
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 12:09:32 AM

A race of losers
Profile Pic
1momsunshine
Champion Author Ottawa

Posts:8,061
Points:1,606,090
Joined:Mar 2010
Message Posted: Jun 14, 2014 12:03:08 AM

k
Profile Pic
tim1999
Champion Author Kansas City

Posts:1,194
Points:435,315
Joined:Jun 2013
Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 11:30:00 PM

It will be interesting to see which alternative emerges.
Profile Pic
RTBama1
Champion Author Montgomery

Posts:1,214
Points:2,156,325
Joined:Aug 2005
Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 11:19:33 PM

Just work out the bugs.
Profile Pic
Zeke33
Champion Author New Hampshire

Posts:7,558
Points:2,072,120
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 11:12:42 PM

Tesla is priced above my means. Maybe the Hollywood rich and famous?
Profile Pic
humblepie
Champion Author Toledo

Posts:58,615
Points:3,020,145
Joined:Mar 2006
Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 11:08:32 PM

and what else would he espouse ??????????
Profile Pic
eddie2456
All-Star Author Long Island

Posts:749
Points:412,395
Joined:Nov 2013
Message Posted: Jun 13, 2014 11:07:07 PM

ok
Post a reply Back to Topics