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dallfo

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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 6:40:30 PM

The American coal industry is accusing the Obama administration of using the Environmental Protection Agency to end the use of coal despite the president's claim of having an "all of the above" energy policy.

Earlier this year, the EPA issued its Mercury Air Toxics Standards (MATS), which the agency said will eliminate 90 percent of mercury and acid gas released into the air by coal-fired power plants.

"I would say this administration is certainly unfriendly towards coal," Wyo. Governor Matt Mead said. "And in my view it is a war on coal."

Mead proudly pointed out that Wyoming is currently the nation's largest coal producing state. "We export more coal than any other state by far...about 400 million tons per year. Wyoming coal produces a lot of electricity in this country," he
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 11:56:02 PM


Quite incorrect kboykool! Your coal burning power plants in Indiana have created acid rain that dumps mercury in my lakes, ponds, streams, and rivers. The mercury contamination has been so bad for the past several decades that many bodies of water in NH have warnings about eating mercury contaminated fish!!! No thanks for this toxic added ingredient to our fish!
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lesndave
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 11:16:35 PM

Watch and see
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itzagasgasgas1
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 11:00:22 PM

Don't agree with all the green energy incentives and the coal disincentives.
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remay
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 10:52:32 PM

Seems they should be happy that they can export it. At least they can send it somewhere to someone that wants it.
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DOS
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 7:08:50 PM

batlover is right! Burning coal sure does release mercury. And lots of it! "Coal accounts for nearly 50 percent of the electricity generated in this country—and almost 50 tons of mercury emissions annually." Of theThe 5 Biggest Sources of Mercury pollution, coal-fired power plants are the largest factor.

[Edited by: DOS at 5/1/2014 7:09:23 PM EST]
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batloverNM
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 6:13:24 PM

kboykool is wrong. Burning coal releses mercury.
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kboykool
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 6:02:16 PM

The mercury in fish was caused by the Japanese dumping into their coastal waters. That's where the mercury came from. What does that have to do with the U.S. coal industry?
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RoadKing95
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 4:40:15 PM

I support the war too. Probably the only war I would say that for.
Any body remember lead in gasoline? Big oil put out lots of propaganda to make us think that the problem didn't exist, but was natural. It took a lot of work and lives lost before we were able to resolve that. How about tobacco? Same strategy. Buy some scientists to push your agenda.
We are going through the same thing with mercury. You hardly ever hear in these pro coal blogs about the mercury going into the air. They prefer to discount climate change as they've got lots of industries that stand to gain from people's ignorance.
Ever hear about all the various types of fish you can't eat due to excessive mercury. Where do you think all that mercury got into the fish?
If the coal industry would get their act together, perhaps they can burn it safely. I don't know, but if they can't do it to meet regs, they should be shut down.

Another argument is that if we don't burn it then China will. Seems to me that makes as much sense as "I'm not going to clean and maintain my home and yard because there is a neighbor that won't clean his. Pretty soon the whole neighborhood goes to hell.
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ybegood
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 8:00:10 AM

I support the WAR!
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dwg6392
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 7:24:06 AM

It;s a war well worth winning. The overall cost of using coal far exceeds any benefits, except for the profits of the producers perhaps.
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Pointtx
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 6:49:30 AM

When your only goal is supporting your friends .. .
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Grizdad
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 6:47:18 AM

No surprise there is no love for WY. It is politics. Which way does WY vote?
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halupkiPA
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 6:36:17 AM

EPA is the Obama puppet~
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VMIJim
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 6:33:42 AM

Of course GOV Mead is correct about the most worthless agency, the EPA, within Oblamer's big government but that won't stop them from pushing Oblamer's tree hugging, stimulus sucking, union dominated, out of control spending, ultra liberal agenda at our working class taxpayer expense. When considering all of Oblamer's lies, coverups, scandals, failed economic & foreign policies, abuses of power, and gross incompetence, we must stop this madness in Nov 2014 & start taking our country back before it's too late!
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2parrots
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 5:17:48 AM

ObaMe want to bring America to it's knees & meanwhile China will pollute us to death
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iFueler
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 4:20:52 AM


     ok
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djgunrunner
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 3:48:34 AM

When you stop to think of it the Supreme Court just threw the Constitution out of the window. Now obama can legally make and pass laws circumventing the Congress.
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ktbaeohana
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 2:58:23 AM

watch and see.
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SoulMate2012
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 1:44:33 AM

Our president, not Mead... just to clarify.
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SoulMate2012
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 1:43:11 AM

It's true! Talking out of both sides of his mouth. That's his MO.
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fenster66
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 1:36:25 AM

Good for Wyoming...
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wz
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 1:32:28 AM

Obama has been fighting his war against coal for over five years - ever since he was sworn in. It's about time the other side started fighting back!
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danindenver
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 12:53:29 AM

"he promised theat energy WOULD cost more and he is fulfilling THAT promise; about the only one"

I think he also promised to bring America to its knees, to cut the country down to the level of other countries.

I'd say that he's making good progress on that, as well.



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humblepie
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 12:41:28 AM

alot of that going around now
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mpg611
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 12:15:05 AM

OOOOOH but the Democrats and the Republicans are all about big government and over regulation costing us tons of money and time.
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JagXKR
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Message Posted: May 1, 2014 12:12:23 AM

The king eco terrorist and his ilk will not be happy unless the country is bankrupt with failed eco terrorist company loans. $1.5 Billion would have bought a lot of new scrubbers for coal fired plants. Existing tech that would have had a real benefit to the eco system.
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tnfran
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 11:50:05 PM

MORE ...... from the BHO and LIBeral jerks in DC. Well ... he promised theat energy WOULD cost more and he is fulfilling THAT promise; about the only one.
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clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 11:37:58 PM

Necessarily skyrocket - BHO & Co. are bringing it to pass.

Had enough?
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Zeke33
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 11:23:41 PM

The EPA is a mouthpiece for Czar Obummer w ho wants to stop mining coal so that the economy will tank.
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Yooperheart
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 11:22:14 PM

Can't imagine why...
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dfd1983
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 11:15:00 PM

hmm
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lippoe_sokan
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 11:03:35 PM

Gee, what a surprise... The coal industry doesn't think the administration is a fan!? Whoodathunkit!?
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jpgilmor
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 10:52:31 PM

But the Chinese burn coal and that pollution will travel to our wets coast!
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 10:37:39 PM

From the article: "Increasingly we face a situation where policy is dictated not by Congressional mandate but rather by executive order and regulatory mandate from the EPA"

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This is the essence of our problem. There is NO authority in our Constitution for "Executive Orders" or mandates from the EPA; itself being an Executive Branch agency created by Executive Order.

Doesn't der Fuhrer understand that "We The People" have placed limitations on what the President can do? These limitations are embodied in the U.S. Constitution which BO says that he taught for 10 years.

So, if the truth be told, BO (as the Marxist Community Organizer he is) desires to destroy the "Middle Class" and is using the "Environment" as his reason for pushing his agenda, which belies his true intentions.

A Congress which both understands this and is determined to follow the Constitution must be elected during this next election cycle and begin the necessary "impeachment" of the Usurper-In-Chief, as well as that of Eric Holder, a few Supreme Court Justices, et.al.
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bevmill
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 10:35:25 PM

Okay
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kboykool
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 10:26:37 PM

"All it takes are... scrubbers..." What an ignorant statement. This is typical liberal gibberish from people who think that things are just given to them without cost, just like entitlement programs. I, along with the rest of 53% of the country, pay taxes to give the remaining 47% something for nothing and I will be paying for these expensive scrubbers through my utility bills or for whatever technology the power company decides to use because the cost of installing scrubbers is too expensive on a plant that is of a certain age.

No thanks.
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 10:17:04 PM

Interesting....
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yardslave
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 10:11:02 PM

Okay.".
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lesabreAZ
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 10:00:28 PM

got to pay the Chinese back with something
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gcalleja
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 9:58:59 PM

Of course!
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JMW1942
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 9:34:46 PM

"All the above energy policy". What a joke.
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GuitarmanMS
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 9:19:50 PM

K
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MyRedSky
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 9:01:25 PM

go coal go.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 8:51:52 PM

coal will never die, just kit some glitches along the way
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FocusST2
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 8:43:09 PM

Big Coal, spend a little money to clean it up and we'll all be set for the next few hundred years.
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dunesfly
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 7:28:56 PM

Ppeople and the administration are not against coal, they are against the toxic stew of heavy metals and acidic compounds that burning coal leaves behind . . . all over the landscape and the air.

All it takes to contain the toxins are stack scrubbers so Gov. Mead should stop whining.
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Zuegma
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 7:27:57 PM

There's no reason coal plants can't meet and exceed the MATS. North America will need its reliable 24/7 energy producers even more in the future. Just look at the current plague of twisters (forecasted to get worse with "global warming") ripping off roof tops: bye, bye solar panels and wind turbines. They won't even be able to produce 33% of the time!
Instead of pouring subsidies after subsidies into limited (at best) alternates and all of their control/use issues, North America should upgrade the coal plants with dry, electrostatic, and "wet" scrubbers (the latter phase would eliminate all the inorganics (Hg & others) and remaining fine particulates. The CO2 can be tapped off and sold to Oil companies for reinjection pressure maintenance; this would readily offset the upgrade costs.
But it will take a President and Congress that has the will/desire to make it happen instead of dreaming about inadequate renewables as the elixir for pollution control.
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bwatchingu
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 7:23:11 PM

The Obama Way
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davenles
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 7:22:13 PM

The Supreme Court ruling will not help their fight with the EPA.
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scooby258_2000
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2014 6:55:51 PM

we the people... dont we have any say in this matter what so ever??? i am all for clean air, but if God gave us coal to use for electricity, than why shouldnt it be safe enough to use??? lets concentrate on updates to plants rather than shut downs of an already over used electric grid that is straining to keep alive in the first place...
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