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Nicoalbum

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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 9:52:59 AM

The massive columns of smoke in ND this week turned the afternoon sky to midnight, and the ground shook with each blast

In Nov an explosion in AL sent a huge ball of fire into the sky, and scorched the swampy earth

In Jul emergency crews battled 4 days to extinguish the flames in QC

Each of 3 accidents shared the cargo exploded in ways that no one had previously thought possible

Until QC, crude oil was known to be flammable. But no one thought it was explosive

Until AL, the QC disaster was thought to have been a freak accident that would likely not reoccur

Before Mon’s fiery derailment near Casselton. the ND govt was commissioning a study that would show it was safe to move massive amounts of oil on 100-car trains. The report would try to dispel the negative press the state’s oil ind
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remay
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2014 4:43:58 PM

There is no non-volatile fossil fuel, no matter what they say.
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Amplion
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2014 4:10:26 PM

NORTH DAKOTA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS MESS. WHAT HAS THE GOVERNOR OF NORTH DAKOTA BEEN DOING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS ORIGINATING IN WILLISTON ?????

[Edited by: Amplion at 1/2/2014 4:10:09 PM EST]
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endymion
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2014 2:39:21 PM

The report sounds like a conclusion in search of data.
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jrs4125
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2014 7:08:36 AM

And the pump price increases.
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MidNJ
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2014 12:54:58 AM

Things happen in 3's?
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gta_guy
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:28:58 PM

Carrying this type of oil in those cars is clearly not very safe
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mike56MI
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 7:11:02 PM

Imagine that.
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Jeff1944
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 6:52:49 PM

So if it is combustible, yes it will explode. Duh?
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highdesertman
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 3:51:17 PM

From a related article about the ND explosion posted on here today: "The oil tank cars were DOT-111 models not of a newer design, Sumwalt said. The safety board has urged the U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration to issue tougher standards for such cars to make them more resistant to puncture during accidents."

If ND oil is that much more explosive than other crude, then replacing the DOT-111 cars with newer and safer designs should be the first priority.
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madison8359
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 1:39:16 PM

And all this to do so we can make oil for China.
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 1:25:25 PM

What a bunch of bullcrap and misinformation Buckeyee. The citizens of Nebraska blocked the KXL and the republicans tacked on a rider to unrelated legislation forcing a decision to be made before any review could be completed, so they shot themselves in the foot on that one. The new application has yet to be ruled on.

Keystone won't carry Bakken to locations it's being railed to, so after it's built, Bakken is still going by rail.

No government approval is needed for interstate pipelines. If it made business sense to build pipelines out of Bakken to markets where rail is carrying it, it would have been done already, or at least proposed.
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Buckeyee
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 1:09:47 PM

Your so right, humblepie. " The ONE " has blocked the pipeline for years. Those donations to " The ONE " & DNC has paid off for the special interest groups. Look how effective the millions that the oil speculators brought the DNC & Obama has been !!
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Night Owl
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 12:57:30 PM

eye-spy is exactly right. Transporting oil by rail is too dangerous.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 12:49:34 PM

oil being inert cant be blamed its the administration that wont allow safer pipeline like the xl, oil by rail is proving to be a disaster in the making
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eye-spy
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 12:20:31 PM

Transporting this amount of oil by rail is a disaster just waiting to happen.
With the number of RR crossings across the nation and the idiots who try to "beat the train".....just imagine!!
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Lugi1967
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 12:16:44 PM

Too bad it had to happen Dangerous job
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pscamp
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 12:00:30 PM

Whatever
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polaris2
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:47:36 AM

Another argument for pipelines
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daytonabiker
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:32:31 AM

accidents happen
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Ken2OD
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:25:08 AM

DUH!!! Fracking causes much more gas to become entrapped with the crude oil. Everybody know that gas fumes can explode. What were these "ENGINEERS?" THINKING OR not thinking?
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:18:25 AM

Actually what I read was that a grain train coming the other way on the other track derailed first and caused the oil train to derail. Easier to comment than read I suppose.

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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:09:01 AM

"Freak accidents. Are there any conspiracy theories forming yet?"

The most common is that environmentalists are sabotaging the rails.
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:04:52 AM

~~Until QC, crude oil was known to be flammable. But no one thought it was explosive.~~

As the article states, crude was know to be flammable but no one thought it to be explosive. Read the article teenie.

Need to know why it is so flammable before an explosion takes a town with it along with it's residents. Then safety measures need to be put in place.
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Anty57
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:00:59 AM

ok
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DLCarpernet
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:00:39 AM

Interesting. I didn't know it was not the gummy, thick stuff.
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fedupMN
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:46:55 AM

The oil companies could care less.
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JOHNJOEYJOE
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:45:49 AM

Freak accidents. Are there any conspiracy theories forming yet?
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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:38:12 AM

Life is full of risks have to learn how to minimize them
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gbs1
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:35:39 AM

Bakken crude needs extra precautions. More pipeline transport, less rail transport is needed.
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:31:16 AM

Its not 'ok'. If it is so light that it can act just like gasoline without refining, then it is highly dangerous stuff. Remember, some people have even used it directly in (gasoline) engines without refining at all. Refining doesn't change crude oil all that much in itself, it just separates (at different heats to vaporize and then re-condense) the different types of compounds, along with filtering and cleaning up/segregating the nasty bits like sulfur and benzine, and hydrogen sulfide and the like.

It ain't 'traditional' crude oil at all, or at least it behaves differently than most of the crude oil that has been moved largely by pipelines in the past.

Of course crude burns, and it isn't all black and gummy either. This is just at the opposite end of the spectrum from bitumen/tar sands 'oil'
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:26:36 AM

Bakken Oil needs to be seriously and objectively studied so real steps can be taken to make shipping it safer. The oil isn't going away so we're going to HAVE to learn how to ship it smarter and safer and we need to get on with the studying right now... people are dying.
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:26:30 AM

What's interesting is that Eagle Ford is generally even lighter gravity than Bakken, i.e., more like gasoline, but that quality alone doesn't seem to explain Bakken's inflammability.
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reidlej
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:20:08 AM

Maybe pipelines are the better choice.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:18:03 AM

Shocking, just shocking!

Who could have ever known that oil would burn?!

Shocking I say!

I wonder why so many people think crude oil is black? Too many movies and TV shows I guess?
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:01:44 AM

Ok
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 9:59:28 AM

Okay.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 9:58:23 AM

and a huge house burned to the ground yesterday in Charlotte.

haven't heard why yet.
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melekali
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 9:56:16 AM

Sounds dangerous.
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