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aservant
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 1:59:26 AM

Minnesota soon could see at least a sevenfold expansion of solar power.

In an unprecedented ruling, a judge reviewing whether Xcel Energy should invest in new natural gas generators vs. large solar power arrays concluded Tuesday that solar is a better deal.

If the finding by Administrative Law Judge Eric Lipman is upheld by the state Public Utilities Commission (PUC), Edina-based Geronimo Energy plans to build about 20 large solar power arrays on sites across Xcel’s service area at a cost of $250 million.

“It says solar is coming in a big way to the country and to Minnesota,” Geronimo Vice President Betsy Engelking said of the ruling.

Geronimo’s Aurora Solar Project would receive no state or utility subsidies, but would qualify for a federal investment tax credit.
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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2014 1:18:25 PM

Good to see that they're doing this without subsidies, and at multiple locations (rather than one huge central facility) - but I'm still puzzling over why a judge was involved in the capital investment decisions of a private utility company. Hope it works for them.
drobbbb
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:38:19 PM

have to see how this works
jimgraham
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:12:23 PM

I think that solar is a important piece of the puzzle. Along with wind, wave, hydro and the old standby - coal. Clean coal.
doeslayersr
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 6:20:55 PM

Here here, Washington State and Prince Edward Island residents are volunteering to have all unoccupied ground scraped and leveled for the erection and construction of butt ugly solar farms... I bet their legs are tingling at the very thought of it and jealous of MN residents... NOT!!!

They are laughing and glad it is in MN and not on their corner of this planet.
teafortwo
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 5:59:19 PM


Thank you for sharing that information orphancarguyPE.

The idea of a cleaner healthier future gives me hope on this day.

Happy New Year 2014 to all of my GasBuddy.com Buddies ;0}
ClarkSC
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 4:14:23 PM

Waste!
BBF_PFS
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 2:48:51 PM

They will have to find a way to keep the snow and ice off of the panels.
Snowball2013
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 2:43:59 PM

Interesting
wrunner
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 12:42:18 PM

Here comes the sun!

Let the sunshine in and let it shine ooh so brightly.

The future so bright, gonna, gotta wear shades.
gashound007
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:52:35 AM

Good to see the investment.
screwoilco
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 11:19:39 AM

good
gbs1
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:49:42 AM

I'm not sure if I'm in agreement with this.
merlinCO
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:38:22 AM

Excellent!!!
orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:14:44 AM

Solar in all its forms--heating air or water, or generating electricity--is at the tipping point even without subsidies (and discounting the massive and hidden indirect subsidies that fossil fuels receive--like not having to comply with clean air and clean water rules, and not always paying for their eventual cleanup)

What people sometimes don't take into account is that while the upfront cost might be higher for any sort of solar, you aren't buying fuel and the solid state of being for solar anything means there is very little if anything that needs adjustment or replacement or servicing perhaps for decades.

Interesting thing is, is that winter is a good time in some areas for solar, even very cold areas. Sun reflecting off snow cover increases the intensity, and when it gets very cold, it gets dry and the air is clearer...so more light and infrared rays get through even if the days are very cold and rather short. Even in places like Minnesota, or ESPECIALLY in places like Minnesota. I guess the judge was smart enough to take all those factors into consideration.

Its about 0F here today, and my solar air heater is running quietly (about the same noise level as my Venmar air exchanger, so very quiet) slowly heating the entire house at 90 cubic feet a minute on pennies worth of electricity per day for the fan. And the heating effect of an entire house warmed, air and walls, and floors, and furniture--not just the spots near a heating vent--means that the whole house stays warm hours after the sun goes down.

Since heating oil just took an unprecedented leap to $1.15.3 a litre ($4.36 a US gallon) any time I can turn off the oil furnace for 16 hours at time is a good day indeed.

investmentdr
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 10:05:07 AM

If only the sun shone in mn
batloverNM
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 8:55:05 AM

Good for MN! Go with clean solar power. I must wonder how the beauty of the state will be ruined by 70 acres of solar panels while the whole state is 50,950,400 acres.
Pramodsharma
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 8:43:27 AM

It is worth doing
doeslayersr
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 8:27:09 AM

I used to think the people in Minnesota had some common sense.... not any more.

So the scenic and beautiful State will now be ruined with 20 MASSIVE BUTT UGLY solar farms.

Just plain silly.
molebaby96
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 8:21:57 AM

Solar may work
radbadtz
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 8:17:37 AM

they would be better off with fracked natural gas.
TucsonC
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 8:15:25 AM

Follow the money.
pilotmass
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 8:13:19 AM

ok
Ltdc
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 8:07:02 AM

Let's hope it's an unbiased correct decision.
mandoid
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 7:37:16 AM

keep spending it mn
FPLREP
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 7:24:15 AM

If you have one solar panel and you add seven isn't that a seven-fold increase?
hubers00
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 7:23:04 AM

Why is a judge involved in this decision
el_fr
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 7:22:40 AM

Wow
boileauj
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 7:10:38 AM

Better than worrying about fossil fuels.
humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 6:13:23 AM

another mistake of epic proportions n the making
MImusicman
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 5:34:03 AM

Ok
ostrichNV
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 5:00:08 AM

Well, at least this project is not getting any direct subsidies...that's progress, if you're a hard-working taxpayer...
jsfb6pts
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 4:17:22 AM

Happy New Year
dodsworth
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 3:44:06 AM

Wow. Cool.

Go solar!
riggers711
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 3:19:13 AM

Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic.
wz
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 3:12:34 AM

Solar is not a reliable energy source - especially when we have 18 hours from sunset to sunrise and only 8 hours of sunlight on our coldest days. Like wind, it can be used to supplement reliable sources (nuclear, coal and gas), but the low angle and short duration of winter sunlight will leave us all shivering in the cold.
teafortwo
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 3:11:26 AM


What a concept ....

A judge able to see past the blinding glare of big money into a cleaner healthier tomorrow ;0]
iFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 3:10:26 AM


     ok
JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 3:00:35 AM

More expensive.
2b0b
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 2:42:36 AM

I wish them luck. It hasn't worked well in Germany, so scheduled shutdown of aging coal plant has been delayed.
mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 2:10:49 AM

Good for them
postcard9
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 2:09:29 AM

Rather go solar.
7SPEEDY7
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 2:02:03 AM

ok
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