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xgojim
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 6:59:48 AM

You’ll have to rethink everything you thought you knew about cars when they start driving themselves. It’s not just about being able to ride in the back seat reading a book, sipping a cocktail, or sleeping as your car drives itself to your destination. It’s not like diesel engines or electric cars, or nine-speed automatics, four-wheel drive, fuel-cells or even satellite navigation, all of which add a small wrinkle of progress to the car-use experience. Cars that are driven by their computers will have massive social and industrial ramifications, and they will be ubiquitous by 2025. The avoidance of accidents will cut insurance costs. Fuel savings will be huge from more efficient high-speed, long-distance cruising in “car-trains.” Congestion avoidance will speed traffic and save fuel too.
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DanMtz
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 11:16:27 AM

Until the hackers start doing their thing.
jrs4125
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 8:50:00 AM

Cut insurance costs....... I don't think so.
bston
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 7:14:09 AM

I might need a vehicle that drives itself when I become too old to drive someday.
leeac
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 3:25:10 AM

I want a car that drives itself.
ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:00:35 PM

An all personal data from those computer driven cars will be in who's hands?
Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:51:45 PM

They said in 1960 that we would have self-driving cars by 1970. It's always about ten years in the future.

On the other hand, they said in 1960 that we would have flat-screen TVs by 1970. That came to pass, only about forty years later than they anticipated.
SigIslander
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 8:23:09 PM

Good luck with that.
PhilMils
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 8:20:07 PM

Yup!
evowner
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 7:39:28 PM

So many possibilities. It takes the "play toy" center out of personal auto transportation, and replaces it with safe and convenient personal auto transportation.
TomT2Lee
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 6:43:13 PM

Going to be a very painful trip for all.
orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 4:33:26 PM

As with any change, people rarely see, or even invest any time or thought, in how that change will impact everything, not just their own lives. Nice that this article looks at the bigger issues, or just a few of them. Could be the basis of a whole round of Massey Lectures, this one idea alone.
LostInNY
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 4:11:25 PM

hey imagine using "GoToMyPC" to remotely drive your car....
bwatchingu
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 3:50:06 PM

Hacker's dream.
melekali
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 3:33:26 PM

No thanks. What happens when it malfunctions?
foreyearrunner
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 3:28:13 PM

but how much will it cost
335d1
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 1:44:14 PM

I still like to drive.
jimgraham
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 1:05:35 PM

Car rental agencies should love it. Public transportation advocates will hate it.

Families can reduce the number of cars they own. If I suddenly need the car my wife took to work, I can call it to my location, and when finished with it I can send it back to her parking spot or just ride along on the trip to pick her up.

Wonderful.

IF it ever happens.
rosa403
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 12:49:01 PM

don't see it happening
mitt4prez
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 12:39:16 PM

Not until the trial lawyers are paid off.
Raider44
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 12:17:30 PM

In a more complex car, there a many more parts that can break down and they are much more expensive to fix.
MN1
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 12:14:44 PM

We'll see.
Taxrefugee
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:34:11 AM

No matter how technologically wonderful they may be, will anyone want to or be able to afford to buy and own one?
fedupMN
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:25:40 AM

A new world order???
Mark8601
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:23:09 AM

They already stop of slow you down automatically, what the hell is a little more CONTROL.
rjojo40AL
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:16:13 AM

This would be so much better because that means we can take stupid and intoxicated drivers from behind the wheel save more lives and have fewer accidents.

[Edited by: rjojo40AL at 11/30/2013 11:16:18 AM EST]
deputydog082
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:14:11 AM

lots of promises but time will tell
BBF_PFS
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:06:38 AM

Not for me, ever!
Ken2OD
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:51:14 AM

Bad idea!!!
hcdjstone
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:36:04 AM

nerds
highdesertman
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:35:00 AM

Even trains operating with Positive Train Control or airliners on automatic pilot require the presence of an alert and skilled engineer or pilot to ensure safe operation in all circumstances. It is folly to believe that any automotive control system can be made fail-safe to the extent that driver intervention will never be required.
Masquerade16
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:33:03 AM

Even though there are experimental cars testing this concept,it'll be quite a few years before this is perfected and widely used.
cashpile
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:32:13 AM

Prediction: After seeing the initial success of self-driving cars, Washington politicians will mandate that all cars be self-driving by 2030. Of course, busing, emergency vehicles, politician-carrying limos will be exempted because those operators are "trained" (not to mention in unions) and much too critical to rely on software designed for the commoner.
Nikontraveler
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:25:57 AM

I'm not sure which is worse. Incompetent drivers piloting a conventional car or computer hackers experimenting with on board computers in "Auto Pilot" cars
Moumoom
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:22:56 AM

Introducing this will bring a whole different mean to the term "computer crash." There have been instances where the automated LRT vehicles have moved away from the platform and while I was there, someone leaped in front of it, knowing there was no real person there to stop the train. How good would computer-operated cars be in an emergency like that?
LarryMarg
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:52:46 AM

Zuegma - please don't bring Windows into this! Gives "blue screen of death" a whole new meaning...
alex395
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:52:02 AM

Cut insurance cost, I doubt it. When is the last time your insurance costs went down, for anything? Certainly not for Obamanocare.

[Edited by: alex395 at 11/30/2013 9:52:00 AM EST]
Zuegma
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:42:11 AM

Many of the forward thinking "defensive" driving features are outstanding.

That such "autonomous" vehicles will become a reality by 2025? I don't think so. How long did it take for Microsoft to have to transit from Windows 8.0 to 8.1: less than one year because it was so error/glitch prone. Have they fixed all the "bugs"? Gee... 8.1 is a stop gap solution. The real problem with emerging 'wonderful' software (and features) is that each "improvement" adds more programming instruction lines and complexities. That is the "booby trap" on the imagined NIRVANA of autonomous driving cars and all its potential very beneficial endowments.

There's also that nagging "catch 22": the automobile became a/the symbol of independence. As the article rightfully quotes, the non-adherents or laggards to this technology would therefore become societal pariahs and "ousted" ad-hoc (whether provider or rider).

Hum... I'm sure I won't be around by 2045 when this dream/nightmare could become a reality.
msf1527
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:38:45 AM

Ok
car253
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:37:21 AM

Do not hold your breath!
EnviroChemist
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:32:26 AM

To err is human... to really screw up something up takes a computer!
flatrock14
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:26:46 AM

in some cases that may be the best thing
TucsonC
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:25:28 AM

Will the cars have automated bars in the back seat?
Fleabite44
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:24:53 AM

Its always fun to have positive future dreams, but let's wait and see what unintended consequences show up.
gypsymom3
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:19:22 AM

my mother won't be able to drive this - she doesn't even have a smartphone
DLCarpernet
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:16:50 AM

We'll see. I'm a skeptic.
RichardoB
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:14:27 AM

I don't see it happening that quickly, or in my lifetime.
Pramodsharma
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:12:24 AM

There will always be fail over and DR option, this is basic of computer management, do not worries if one system goes down.
Pramodsharma
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:11:09 AM

I am looking forward to it,
crep1291
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:10:30 AM

"So, what happens when the computers fail? I'll pass on this one. "

Computers will fail less often than humans.
mustardgas
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:08:22 AM

This could potentially be very positive
radbadtz
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:08:12 AM

cant wait to drink and travel
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