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HELLRAZOR

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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:06:07 PM

RAMOS ARIZPE, Mexico — In Mexico’s booming auto industry, the cars rolling off assembly lines may look identical, but how safe they are depends on where they’re headed.

Vehicles destined to stay in Mexico or go south to the rest of Latin America carry a code signifying there’s no need for antilock braking systems, electronic stability control, or more than two air bags, if any, in its basic models.

If the cars will be exported to the United States or Europe, however, they must meet stringent safety laws, including as many as six to 10 air bags, and stability controls that compensate for slippery roads and other road dangers, say engineers who have worked in Mexico-based auto factories.

Because the price of the two versions of the cars is about the same, the dual system buttresses the bo
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POWERSTROKE7.3L
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 9:36:50 AM

K.
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 6:50:10 AM

Something to b said for "Made in the USA".
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Amplion
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 4:44:18 AM

Three times I have decided NOT to buy a car because it was made in MEXICO !!!!
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 5:12:59 PM

It is NOT just the number of airbags, but more troubling basic structural issues between otherwise 'identical looking cars. I'll also take issue with one comment: "Because the price of the two versions of the cars is about the same". That might be true for SOME vehicles but not all.

Friend loves VWs and has them in Canada (and hers are made in Mexico...) but couldn't touch a Mexican VW as a 5 month each year vacation car due to price which was same as here in Canada or the US...but a Nissan sedan, (model never sold in the rest of North America) used widely as a taxi in Mexico could be had new for $9000. Doesn't have the safety add-ons such as the number of airbags, and one way they cut costs in Mexico/Brazil for local vehicles is cutting corners in welding etc. She knows the Mexican version Nissan is a cut corner model and she is taking her life in her hands using it on major highways but she only uses it for low speed and local travel.

[Edited by: orphancarguyPE at 11/30/2013 5:15:16 PM EST]
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ss70
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:35:50 AM

auto makers try to cut corners where ever they can
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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:52:06 AM

When the people learn information like this, they too will demand safer vehicles - especially if they're really paying for them already and getting less. However, fighting big money has always been difficult in Latin America, unless they go to the extreme of big government. Mexico is definitely at a crossroads in many respects.
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SUNOIL
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 8:08:01 AM

Whole new meaning on, Buy What You Build.
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MImusicman
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 5:42:59 AM

Ouch
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1momsunshine
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 1:39:35 AM

IT looks like some don't value life too much eh??
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Gabydominguez85
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 12:54:45 AM

Government doesn't care neither do the auto makers but for people that doesn't know it's the same brands you find here and they're AMERICANS like Ford Chevrolet, Dodge and other Asian Brands wich are the most affordable now if government doesn't require and automakers don't equip vehicles with more safety features because that's what's available there what else are they supposed to buy and Im sure is just like here the more you add the more it costs and people don't have money to pay for a expensive vehicle.

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Rich1430
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 12:47:29 AM

Crappy quality is what we get when manufactures move production to other Countries like Mexico and China in name of cutting costs and using cheap labor.
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MrLefty0706
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 12:45:40 AM

They do not value life like Americans.
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CityCouponer
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 10:44:27 PM

Hmmm
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danindenver
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:11:16 PM

People in difficult situations do what they have to do in order to survive.

Americans have gotten soft and now feel that they can demand the luxury of safer vehicles.

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Grizdad
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:09:34 PM

Like to admit it or not, it is a third world country.
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sparkzz
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:50:46 PM

Sadly, not at all surprising. Maybe this article will get some talk going where it needs to be, in their government.
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Wanda127
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 7:51:53 PM

"Nevertheless, Mexico hasn’t introduced any safety proposals other than general seat belt requirements for its 22-million strong auto fleet. Even then, the laws don’t mandate three-point shoulder belts necessary to secure child safety seats."

I cannot believe Mexico doesn't require more safety equipment on the cars that stay in their country!
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 7:44:35 PM

so right esq262
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RitaVespa
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 7:41:10 PM

Why should they add the safety features if it won't be required?
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 5:57:29 PM

Nothing safe comes from Mexico
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 5:52:22 PM

They can keep both their cars and their undocumented workforce South of the border.
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Ply440GTX
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 5:50:25 PM

Don't have to worry about the gov't meddling in safe car affairs... Hell, they probably can still get leaded gas at the pump!
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 5:16:37 PM

Mexico can keep their cars.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 4:07:56 PM

And just think, we are headed for self driving auto's too.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 4:05:57 PM

airbags?, we don need no stinkin airbags!
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doggod
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 4:03:15 PM

If it weren't for tariffs and other State-devised trade restrictions, you can bet this wouldn't be a problem. Dealers in those countries could simply order US versions from US factories to sell to people who wanted to be safe.

After a little bit of that, the manufacturers would take the hint and start sending the safe vehicles through their normal export channels.

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SigIslander
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 4:00:13 PM

Sounds like the mexico I know and love and still beats
traveling by donkey but apparently not by much.
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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 3:52:37 PM

greedy people cause loss of lives...
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thorman52
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 3:31:02 PM

Now we have the car manufacturers playing GOD! I believe, humblepie, that the workers of any company do not make the corporate decisions as to the equipment the car will have or where they will be shipped and driven. If you do not believe the article, go to Mexico and find out for yourself.

~~“For the company to make more net profit and so that cars are sold at more affordable prices, we would toss aside some accessories. Air bags, ABS brakes, those were the first to go,” the engineer said.~~

The FIRST to go.

~~ Vehicles destined to stay in Mexico or go south to the rest of Latin America carry a code signifying there’s no need for antilock braking systems, electronic stability control, or more than two air bags, if any, in its basic models... Mexico has to take a good look at itself, at the problems it’s facing,” Furas said. “It is selling unsafe cars to its own people, when it can be selling safe cars that it can build.”~~

Now these are Mexican people saying that the life of a fellow Mexican is not worth the extra cost of the vehicle.

~~In 2011, nearly 5,000 drivers and passengers in Mexico died in accidents, a 58 percent increase since 2001... Over the same decade, the U.S. reduced the number of auto-related fatalities by 40 percent.~~

Now why would that be?

Nothing but pure GREED!


[Edited by: thorman52 at 11/29/2013 3:32:04 PM EST]
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PathfinderSC
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 3:08:22 PM

Good Article.
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screwoilco
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 2:31:08 PM

Sounds like typical greedy corporation
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djwhit
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 2:25:55 PM

THATS SOUNDS LIKE MEXICO...............
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SUNOIL
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 2:01:24 PM

Nothing to do with the UAW just the workers
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:59:19 PM

just another uaw hit piece, i dont believe it at all
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:47:33 PM

Typical. Now when you travel you have to get a written guarantee that the vehicle that you will be traveling in is safe by USA standards. Used to be that you had to worry about the driver.
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evowner
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:36:11 PM

So if we didn't have governmental regulations and safety was left to the corporations they'd still build safe cars? I guess not!
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newman26
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:33:34 PM

Not all Government regulation is bad
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geezrtek
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:31:57 PM

“Something is very wrong.” Yes the Gubmints in those other countries.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:27:36 PM



I have to agree, same price for the car, but yet some are getting healthier vehicles so to speak. ;)

Thanks for the article Hellrazor.
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00MrSlate00
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:24:12 PM

No one cares until a accident occurs. Then finger pointing takes place.
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HELLRAZOR
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:09:13 PM

Greed first ...people second in Mexican business. Sad.
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madison8359
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:08:44 PM

Safety is prime but if you are paying the same and getting less, what's up with that?
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